The Harsh Truth About The NBA's Point Guard GOAT Debate
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Who's the PG GOAT in your opinion?
Steph Curry
Stephen Curry
Curry
curry respectfully
curry
Steph won his rings against the goat of his era. Magic won them with the goat of his era
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true
Real Talk
exactly
Magic was the goat of his era alongside Larry Bird. Steph Curry and the Warriors had to go twerking into the hamptons and beg KD to join their 73-9 team alongside 3 other all stars. 2 of Steph's rings are the most meaningless rings ever won and he wasn't even the best player for them, however he was better than people give him credit for.
One thing I feel like could be argued, is Steph’s gravity can be thought of as an assist. Obviously super Hard to quantify, but think of how def Elses have changed in general and against him. They Double and triple Team him
And all eyes are on him at all times. Leaving teammates open to wide open for easy shots. Steph also took a dead Team and built a dynasty. One could argue he should have another finals mvp over igoudala.
I agree with you, but some could argue that defensive schemes have changed so much that you can’t compare
the reason kd have fmvp cuz everybody focus on steph !!! 3 player just focus to guard stepph asss lol
Exactly. The warriors were complete poverty for 3 decades but curry built something amazing.
Joe Lacob bought the team for a measely 300 million dollars and as of 2022 Forbes valued the warriors as the highest ranked sports club in the WORLD. Higher then Bayern Munich higher then Real Madrid higher then the American giants with the cowboys patriots Yankees knicks lakers the WARRIORS were #1. And you know why? Steph curry built a winning culture and team
I’ve been saying this forever
People tend to forget the warriors were in a playoff drought for soooooooooooo long until Steph came in
Magic joined a 47-35 team with Kareem, Jamal Wilkes, Michael Cooper, Norm Nixon and Spencer Haywood. Curry joined a 29-53 team with Stephen Jackson, Cory Maggette, Ronny Turiaf, Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins. Magic had a big advantage from the very beginning as afar as quality of teammates. Magic joined a very good team and made them great. Curry and Jordan joined bad teams and made them great.
i disagree. the warriors were not great until klay and draymond developed. then they were a great team. curry did not make the warriors a great team instantly
@@Jordan-wd7vv Is Stephen curry the best player on golden state warriors team?
Yet you forget to mention how magic joined this team and instantly became the #1 lmao. You also forgot to mention how much magic made them better and how they greatly benefitted from playing alongside him
And the warriors didn't become top tier instantly when he joined infact it took them years to reach their peak and their peak lasted for a shorter time while magic joiend they won a chip 1st year and DOMINATED the whole 80s 😂
@@ELI-521Curry was injury prone for his first 3-4 years.
Another huge consideration that you didn't mention was the fact that even though Curry has less assists, his gravity because of the lethal jump shot of his makes his teammates open just as effectively as a magic assist
Absolutely. The gravity of a Steph three point threat is all about the way basketball has evolved. Players today are FAR more skilled than in magic's day, due to international stars and evolved techniques. Players today handle and shoot way beyond in Magics day. No one would need to be guarded and double teamed 30 feet from the basket in 1985.
That's on point man. A.M Hoops made a great video talking about this.
keep making a narrative 😂
I also thought he was going to bring up records as a consideration. Curry has the 3rd most records in history. Most of which is due to him making 3's, but he also has free-throw records and has 3 of the top 5 PER numbers in a season that doesn't include Centers. He has the 1st and 2nd best, Jordan the 3rd, Curry again at 4th, and Jordan again at 5th.
He also has the highest career EFG% out of anyone not playing the Center position.
Then, there's accomplishments that mean more that aren't necessarily measurable. Being the ONLY unanimous MVP in the history of the game is huge. Having records that we can't imagine being broken is huge. Being attributed to changing the geometry of the game isn't small.
Even with this, I do take issue with saying Steph is the better point guard. I've got Steph somewhere at #3 to #5 only because of how I see the position. I do have Steph as a better player than Magic and somewhere between #5 and #8 as the most impactful player to have ever lived.
“Gravity” … 😂 Now we’re just making shit up…
Magic and Curry are different type of point guards. Magic was more of a facilitator whereas Steph is more of a scorer seeking the 3 point shot at every opportunity. On an all time-team, it would be great to see them both in the same backcourt because of their different roles.
-- they are both great. For me, it depends upon team construction. Ultimately, it's like...Salma Hayek or Halle Berry. There's no wrong answer.
Curry is a facilitator aswell due to him being such a threat it allows klay and others an open look eventually cause even with all his movement he’s still a statistically better shooter than anyone
@@haku4841 Of course Curry is a facilitator as well as I said in my original comment "more of a...". Curry is actually an excellent passer but his main role is to score.
@@jingqi9106 lol curry is a above average passer at best, not excellent like rajon rondo or cp3
@@jlui21I'd play with both in their primes
Funny how I haven't watched the video yet but know that Curry is the better point guard in his opinion
facts, and steph isn't the point goat, magic is.
yeah lol hes so biyust if steph says something he automatically changes his mind i was shocked when he ranked steph 7 and magic 5 now steph is better after getting eliminated in round 2 ridiculousl
Bro thinks curry is tbe better point guard is crazy
Yeah he is a meat rider😂
Most people in northern California believe Stephen Curry is the best point guard in the world I mean we watched it first hand and he created this dynasty magic didn't create a dynasty he added to a legacy that was already there
when it comes to scoring titles, we have to remember that steph SAT OUT more 4th quarters than other stars ever, because the games were so blown out by the third quarter. imagine if he did not sit those games out... hed have more points total and maybe two or three more scoring titles.
Love the chapter titles and quotes
Something nobody wants to admit is that Magic dominated when the pool of talent was smaller.
I have kids in basketball development leagues in elementary and the talent level today is astonishing compared to when I was growing up.
Today, thousands of kids are being developed all around the world, much more so than Magic's era.
Magic was a shark in a pool compared to Steph being a killer whale in the Pacific Ocean.
Wonderful marine analogy ❤
Except steph had that same exact talent you speak of right on his team to compensate, one of if not the best defender of this generation in draymond, along side the 2nd best shooter in nba history. Thats not even mention igudoala who won that fmvp in 2015 and kevin durant who carried them to back to back finals and won both of the fmvp. Proving that in 3 of the 4 championships he played in that he was in fact not the most important player
@@nezoprime4276 KD won those fmvps cuz the opponents were focused on Steph. Curry just came off of one of the greatest offensive seasons off all time, of course other teams are gonna focus their defense on him. Idk how Iguodala won that fmvp when Lebron literally averaged 36ppg, 13 rebounds, 9 assists.
unfair argument. arguing about eras is inconsequential. curry trained against harder comp and goes up against harder comp. if magic was in currys era im sure he would be just fine. this is not the way to argue which player is better overal
Cap. Bird, Kareem, Malone, Jordan, Hakeem, Thomas, McHale, Worthy, Erving, Gervin, and many others is a light talent pool? Please
People don’t understand that we’re talking about a point guard and not the goat… Ability to create chances for your teammates and other things contribute but ability to create for your teammates is what makes you a point guard… And to me, they are both up there… It doesn’t matter who is one or two… Personally I pick Steph…
Magic went to a perfect situation with hall of famer player. Curry went to a losing team and made his peers hall of famer.
curry and magics teams were both elite. thats not a good argumwnt
Why are y’all acting like curry didn’t play with three other hof at once?
@@Jordan-wd7vv magic went to an established team with MVP kareem and all nba worthy. Curry played with rookie klay and green.
@@itztrimax6795 curry was drafted first he played with rookie green and klay. Magic team up with mvp and already champ kareem
@@itztrimax6795 can you name the 3 hof?
Great video!! Appreciate you
Magic and Kareem are both top 10 players and they won their 5 championship together and Kareem have 1 championship without Magic but Magic has 0 without Kareem.., Kobe and Shaq had their 3 and then Kobe had 2 without him and Shaq only had 1 without Kobe. Curry has 2 Championship without KD while KD has 0 without Curry. And what makes it interesting is that KD has never been in discussion for top 10 all time while Curry has been even before he won his 4th ring.
Thats a good point, but neglecting to mention that he's never won a championship without draymond, iggy, and klay is a bit ignorant. With dray and klay being certified hall of famers at this point
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*Only 3 Players Won Multiple NBA Championship Without A Top 75 Teammates*
*STEPHEN CURRY ( 2015 & 2022 )*
*KOBE BRYANT ( 2009 & 2010 )*
*TIM DUNCAN ( 2005 & 2007 )*
*MULTIPLE MVPs, FINALS MVP & SCORING TITLE in NBA HISTORY*
*STEPHEN CURRY*
MICHAEL JORDAN
KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR
LEBRON JAMES
WILT CHAMBERLAIN
*STEPHEN CURRY 7th Player to Win 4 Titles and Multiple MVPs*
Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Tim Duncan, LeBron James.
*Oldest Players With 30 PPG in Finals*
*NBA History*
*YRS - DAYS*
1998 Michael Jordan 35 - 117
1997 Michael Jordan 34 - 116
*2022 STEPHEN CURRY 34 - 94*
2018 LeBron James 33 - 160
*Most 30-Point Game in Finals Clinchers*
Michael Jordan 5️⃣
*Stephen Curry* 3️⃣
Shaquille O'Neal 2️⃣
Bill Russell 2️⃣
*30 PPG & 2 Steals PG in Finals History*
*2022 Stephen Curry*
2006 Dwyane Wade
1995 Hakeem Olajuwon
1991 Michael Jordan
1977 Julius Erving
*Only 6 NBA Point Guards Have Won The*
*Finals MVP Award*
*STEPHEN CURRY*
MAGIC JOHNSON
JO JO WHITE
ISIAH THOMAS
CHAUNCEY BILLUPS
TONY PARKER
“What if curry had someone like Kareem” as if he didn’t win two championships with the most stacked team of all time
Yeah but that wasn't by choice. Other than kd no one on the Warriors was considered a stacked player yet. And Kareem is >>>> kd.
True but magic never won without Kareem curry already did twice
Steph has already won without his “Kareem” twice
@@phillipmiranda5463 magic had Kareem for all 5 curry win without Durant twice
I think that is why there is an "argument" for GOAT status. There is merit for both sides. What is guaranteed with Steph's entrance into the conversation against Magic is that Magic and Steph are the bar for being the GOAT point guard, he is moving the others like Steve Nash, John Stockton, and Chris Paul to the category of top 10. Steph will have his opportunity over the next few years to make it go from a toss up to definitive.
Well thought-out argument.
I was a fan of Magic from his time at Michigan State. He was too good for his team. I watched him fire a cross-court pass to a teammate that bounced off the poor guy's chest. Right in the shooting pocket.
Only after he reached the NBA could Magic unleash his full skill set. And man, did he.
I loved that era. Kareem. Bird. So many other great players.
But I have to say this: today's league is better. Tougher. Talent is better distributed. Players are more athletic. Injury recovery is better. As great as Kareem was - make no mistake, he was the real deal - many of today's big men are stronger and space the floor better. And as good as Magic was on a fast break, he wasn't quite equal to more than one contemporary ball handler in this league.
Including Steph.
Magic was a better defender; his length and quickness paid off.
But there has never been a better shooter in this league than Steph.
Both changed the league. Magic with his passing prowess dared players to up their passing games. Steph inspired a whole generation to get better at distance shooting.
It's as hard to settle this question as it is to settle any other argument between different eras. We all have our opinions.
But I'm choosing Steph. His peak against Magic's, both at their career bests, lets Steph edge ahead.
Too bad we can't look at plus-minus for both players. But back then, that stat wasn't tracked, I don't think.
Well said old man
You could figure out magics plus minus
Great point bro!!
League is better? It is mostly unwatchable until playoffs and it has more resemblence to WWE than to Euroleague per se. All of the rule changes are improving the show not the game. Despite way better medical treatments, facilities, nutrition etc they are missing way more games than in 80's and 90's. And please don't compare Kareem to todays bigs. Besides Jokic (whom is a product from totally different mindset and part of the world speaking in basketball terms) and Embiid (who mostly tries to score with his face facing the basket), and let's squeeze in Davis...what's left? Sorry but the NBA is one dimensional. Space the floor and shoot the threes
@@toptopovaxiv the skill level required to shoot 3s is immense. The larger threat of 3s unclogs the paint and makes for a more athletic, dynamic and tactical game.
The modern game isn't without its problems, of course. Players forcing trades. Players sitting out games. Pretended injuries. Biased refs. League rules need adjustments.
League rules always need adjustments.
Players sitting out games, at least, will now affect league awards. That's probably not enough, but it's a start.
But there are things the rules have gotten right, too. The game is more popular with fans, more fun to watch. Talent is widely distributed, which just wasn't true in Kareem's day - a few teams dominated everyone else, always. Skills are at a higher level overall, and outcomes are harder to anticipate.
I'm pleased with the changes, overall. Though I can admit that further evolution can make the league even better.
Magic always played with a bunch of top notch teammates, including Kareem, Worthy, Byron Scott, A.C. Green, Jamaal Wilkes, Michael Cooper, Bob McAdoo, Mitch Kupchak, etc.
Great video bro
Warriors did it!! 👍👏🔥🔥❤️❤️
The combination of CP 3, TJD, JK and Dario Saric is exactly what is needed for Warriors, mainly for the non-Steph minutes. If they manage to win those or at least not lose them too heavily, they're in really good shape!! 🙏🙏👍👏
To me he already is especially with this 4th ring not because he finally won fmvp but because it showed once again that he can win without kd and ask yourself could magic win without Kareem. Cus the answer was no. And not to mention he should’ve won the 15’ fmvp but that’s another topic. But with another ring and fmvp that would put curry tied with magic with magic having the clear edge in 1 more fmvp and mvp. I think by then the masses will have fully switch over to the curry is the goat PG
Curry fan
@@nbahoopseditsdamn right 👏🏽
Magic did win without Kareem when he was injured in a game 6 performance that many consider the best finals performance in history.
You do realize that Kareem was 32 at the time and you can easily argue that magic extended his career, can you make the same case that curry couldn’t win wo draymond or Thompson? They couldn’t win in 2016 when green. Got suspended, 17 + 18 was probably the best roster ever assembled cause of kd. 22 they won an amazing championship. Your point isn’t fair cause you can easily make the same case against curry.
@@Brian-co1nrso corny
I like both. But as you said, Magic has been great from the beginning of his career. As great as a shooter Curry is, a real point guard is to dish the ball, which Magic excelled at.
Ik ur using jxmyhighrollers mj vs lebron video as a format for this one. Still great video!!!!
Bro i love your videos-sheeeeshhh😂😂💯🔥
Great video!!!
I like the fair and balanced analysis. It’s a tough debate.
Most people have Magic in their top 5-6 players of all time. If Steph surpasses him in the PG Goat debate then Steph has to be in the top 5, but nobody actually ranks him that high.
However, after his last chip I think we have to start considering if Steph is now at this moment a top 5 player of all time???
In no particular order without including Wilt and Bill with me being ok with swapping a few players here and there:
1. MJ
2. Lebron
3. Kobe
4. KAJ
5. Magic
6. Steph
7. Hakeem
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Bird
11. Durant
Before his 4th chip I had Steph ranked between 8-12, but now that he has 4 rings you have to put him right up there with the likes of Magic.
Do you think Steph at this very moment being #6 is a real thing?
If he can give us another 4 years of great all-star caliber basketball and can lead his team to another chip or 2 then I think he easily cracks the top 5 dare I say top 3.
Let me know your thoughts?
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I disagree with Shaq below Hakeem but other than that this is a good list
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Hakeem and Shaq are always difficult one for me. Some days I have Shaq and most days I have Hakeem. I prefer skill over dominance. Hakeem was a much, much more skilled player than Shaq. Hakeem’s skills are right up there with Kobe type skills.
But I’m good either way!
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Kobe at 3 is insanity, along with bird at 10
delusional
kobe #3 LMDAOOOO steph #6???????? bro stop
Everyone can pass like magic, no one can shoot like curry
If everyone can pass pass like Magic, then why isn't everyone doing it?
@@alyjulmim8447jokic,lebron could pass like magic but no one could shoot like curry simple casual
Can you make a video about Lebron vs Jordan? I wanna know who is better than the two of them.
I want you to tackle the:
• Statistics (Points, Assists, Rebounds, etc)
• Achievements
• Versatility and Flexibility
• Basketball IQ
• Competition (Which era is harder? Does players today really are better than before?)
• Does Handchecking really affected the game?
• Which era has a harder defense?
• What are the effects of Zone Defense in the game of basketball?
I already know this guy is going to gas up Steph curry as much as possible.
Edit: watched the video, bro said that magic Johnson’s passing was basically just him dumping the ball to Kareem
yeah hes delusional
your main argument against magic is that his team was better despite steph putting together the best team of all time and in a separate year going 73 - 9
Curry
Curry is the GReatest Point Gaurd why is there still a Debate???
Lil bro can’t even spell
@@Pooleproduction and you can't spell
He's a shooting guard disguised as a point guard. Similar to Dame. Exactly. Why is there still a debate?
It's still a debate because there haven't been a definite answer to put the debate to its grave.
Because even the reasons in this video are half assed and the only categories steph won in we'rent official or standard but ones made up by hoop reports himself
Was going on bro 🙏🙏
Wassup hoop report❤
curry has that gravity that you can't let him move or else it's over. and even if you try to guard him it will be a real challenge
It’s like magic is a cassette player and Steph is a smart phone. The magic prototype will likely never be successful again. You have to be able to shoot.
Jxmyhighroller: you can copy my homework but change some of the answers so it looks different
HoopReports:
You lost me when u had to use Steph's free throw percentage stat to compare to Magic's assists, rebounds and steals to balance things out😂
Man , that 2022 finals was something... i thought celtics were gonna win.. most balanced team in nba... tatum, brown, smart was dpoy. Klay 1st year back from 2 year injury... steph was basically the warriors whole offense. Celtics threw every defensive scheme at curry.. and the man basically single handedly beat the celtics offensively. Im not so sure magic could do the same in that situation.
Right. The celtics that year were on it in the second half of the season. Their defense was so great, their offense was good, their playmaking at times seemed elite. I honestly thought nobody would beat them in the nba finals but curry proved me wrong.
Single handedly? lol? what about jordan poole and klay thompson? they were cooking the celtics too lol, stop steph aint like that 🤣 What happened last playoffs when he's the only man that stood up? Single handedly my ass
@@andybeardsack7898 lol. There were 2 games that Steph basically single handedly won by himself. The team was struggling offensively. Celtics threw everything at curry and he still couldn’t be stopped. If u deny this, then u didn’t watch the series.
That 1991 lakers series against bulls… Phil Jackson had enough and decided to put pippen strictly on magic…. That was it, just pippen… had significant impact on what magic could and couldn’t do… bulls win series decisively.
@@kmao508 But he's not single handedly beat the celtics the entire series lol, Just look what happened when he single handedly his team last playoffs? he cant do shit, he aint like that. He had klay, jp who helped him. Lol u acting like 2022 celtics was unbeatable all time great team lol just stop🤣🤣.
@@kmao508 u just exposed ur claim by saying "THERE WERE 2 GAMES"😂 2 games doesn't mean the whole series😂 not single handedly, u just exaggerating/overhyping the man😂 can't even single handedly beat the lakers last season when he's the only man who can score.
I think at the end of Steph’s career he will definitely be the best point guard of all time. But Steph is also my favorite player, so I don’t think I can say much. 🙂 also great video keep it up
Magic's 86-87 season is GOATED
I could only say that comparison is the thief of joy . We will never know and evne by numbers because of difference in era and the way of playing. Lets enjoy each of them greatness. We dont need to be so extreme!
Bro is always glazing the warriors
I believe this is the only case where I’ll allow a co-goat holder, both revolutionized what it means to be a point guard, both won a against their eras of the goat, both are insanely dominant in their own ways, they are both #1 point guards now
Is Stephen Curry played in the 80s he would have also save the NBA
If Steph played in the 80’s, he would have at least 3 more rings and be the undisputed GOAT.
no, he can't. Larry would woop his ass.
@@bboyggezIf Steph played in the 80's, he would be a 3 point specialist bench player. He would not be as effective with the type of defense they were allowed to play back then. Take a bench player from the 80's like Craig Hodges and put him in Currys spot and you would have a better outcome. Hodges was a better shooter than Curry, who simply didn't get much playing time. In other words, Steph would be like Craig Hodges in the 80's and Craig Hodges would be like Curry in today's game. Logic!
@@alyjulmim8447 Ain’t no way you’re comparing Steph to that scrub. The 80’s defense dickriders are insane lol. With the iso rules back then, Steph is averaging 40. You don’t know ball
@@alyjulmim8447🤣🤣 stop it Craig Hodges was not a better shooter than curry.curry would dominate the 80s if Larry bird could dominate with his slow ass curry woulda dominate more than he is now casual 🤡 😅
I don't normally agree with the analysts,
BUT, the one point I do agree with them is;
"Steph is a "2" masquerading as a point gaurd.
He is NOT a true point gaurd; so that should end the debate right there.
This isn't saying that Steph can't or doesn't play point,
but the job is mainly performed by Draymond,
which makes him so valuable to the Warriors.
He does all of the dirty work (pun intended)
and gets Steph the looks he needs.
If Steph was a true point with no Draymond,
I don't think Steph and the Warriors would've had the same success.
This video reminds me of the goat debate video of jxmyhighroller... good job
with the magic what if with hiv you can also argue what if curry didnt have ankle problems early in his career and the what ifs with the raptors final
Go dubs
Steph is the best point guard period.
explain
Cook
Oldheads will never accept when who they watched gets passed
The debate ends once those in magic era are in their graves.
Chef curry da goat point guard
For me it’s Steph. He’s more of a killer and can absolutely turn the game around with only a few shots. He’s one of a kind
youve never seen magic play and you think steph is more of a “killer” and that makes him better? average warriors fan
magic has heaps more accolades than curry, but ig since currys more of a “killer” hes better!!
@@omaralmuhaya7503youre goddamn right i didnt watch a second of this pile of shit
The statistics says different. That can be yo opinion but it’s not a fact
@@omaralmuhaya7503 I watched steph curry play, he's not a killer tho, when it matters most he folds.
Crazy that your list of those in the GOAT conversation didn't include the all time assists and steals leader.
its not bias until you bring up what if scenarios lol
Stephen Curry is the goat PG, no debate
than why did he need to make this video? most people have magic #4 alltime, so does that mean steph is top 4 all time?
no debate my ass
look at the accolades
Can the season start… can’t wait for this… I hope we win this year
If the players you want to compare played in a different era, you have to consider that
first
Nice video.
To me, the question of who is the GOAT PG is kind of silly. It depends largely on how one defines a PG and what attributes one values more. 'Greatest' is literally in the eye of the beholder.
That said, what an amazing thing it's been to root for the Ws in the Curry era. After decades in the wilderness, it's like a dream come true.
Now, go get that 5th ring, young man!
"Steph didn't start as a starplayer compared to Magic who started from the get go"
Really? Is this Magic's Fault? 😂😂😂
steph is the BEST PG ever period. been watching the NBA since the 70s. no one, i mean no one, revolutionized the game the way steph did. he gave hope to players who are physically small and dominate the game. not even MJ was guarded the way steph is being guarded. when steph crosses half court, watch how he is guarded. no one,i mean no one, has that much effect. these are facts.
The fact that you need to cherry pick stats to even have an argument means you already lost the debate
As of right now, steph and magic are equals. Diffrence is that steph still plays (even at a mvp level), while magic already retired. Stephs longevity will edge out magic at some point, difficult to say whan, might be next season, maybe the season after that. But steph certainly will play til he is 40 and will put up great numbers the next 3-4 seasons. Its just a question about time, when he will surly surpass magic, but it will happen
Ill choose curry over magic anyday anywhere😅
That nba marketing department working hard today. This the most rubix cube conclusion explanation I've ever heard this evening.
Well we all know who the GOAT content creator is. Amazing upload, as always.🔥
you knew how this video was going to end before you clicked on it. love it though
What an excellent deep comparison!
its not bias until 10:20 lol
Its a reason why the opposition needs to thank God that Curry didnt get Magic's height.
No look passes or look away 3s? 😁
stephen The Chef curry
the way i look at it is “who would i not want to play against more” and its Steph he is a lethal 3 level scorer with great playmaking and because hes such a threat from all areas of the court you have to guard him the second he crosses into half court and his gravity pulls defenses away and helps his teammates get open
Please take mvp voting along in this debate, magic has way more mvp votes despite playing fewer seasons. And in the 80s there were also fewer votes...
Looking at it also gs was a very unselfish team loads of time curry passes the ball the ball moves around to almost everyone n sometimes comes back to him so of course his assits numbets is going to be down cause the team moved the ball so well
Who would you rather leave open? Steph or Magic?
So you compared the 6'3 guy with 6'9 guy who can play center its just already sooo freakin god damn crazy!.
I keep seeing "Well Steph had KD so", when Kareem was clearly the best player of his era, the same as LeBron (who most will consider Steph his rival). KD was arguably 3rd best when Steph started ascending. Also, if you think 3 years of Kevin Durant is equal to 10 years of Kareem, then I just think youre hating on Kareem just to hate on Steph. Remember one of those guys has been in the goat convo for about 40 years now. I have Steph for that reason, as well as the fact that he is the centerpiece and foundation of a dynasty. It started with him and will end with him. Winning in year 1 means you joined a great team. Honestly, you can argue point guard semantics all day, I have Steph as the better player
NBA is also tougher skill wise now
Just imagine if Steph has the height of Magic Johnson, STEPH WOULD EASILY DEMOLISHED EVEN THE LIKES OF LEBRON JAMES.
forced debate is clearly magic
Also look at the teams they were drafted too, swap magic and curry and I don’t think it’s a debate
If Curry can get another chip the only argument to make for the debate is your preference on HOF shooting or passing..
Magic would still have 1 more Mvp and fmvp. Plus there would still be the major argument of magic Dominating the League longer
You're confusing Better Career to Better Prime
I'm a forever fan of Magic since he started playing in Lakers team, it's not because he's my idol but for me he's the best point guard & best player coz during his college days he made his school champion & in his rookie year, he made his team a world champion & won an MVP award.His videos of all his past games showed how he played excellent for me, his incredible passing, alertness of mind, showed leadership among his team mates, a great facilitator..not after to make score but let all his team mates to score too. The most unforgettable he did was when Kareem Abdul Jabbar wasn't able to played in the finals in G6 for the world Championship due to injury & Magic Johnson played the role of Kareem as a center,his role as forward, scorer, rebounder & high percentage in assist in which Steph can't do to be the center due to his height as 6'2 compared to Magic Johnson as 6'9.Bec of Magic Johnson, many celebrities watched NBA games due to his showtime style of playing in which everyone were thrilled & enjoyed so much.I can't see anyone now how to play like Magic Johnson..he's incredible & fun to watch him played.
If he didn't leave NBA year 1991,his stats will show more of his achievements.
Whereas Steph was a good scorer especially in 3 point shooting & fun to watch too. but can't deny the fact that Magic Johnson played much better than him..
Just title your channel as
“I love curry and is biased as fuck”
Greatest argument for curry is he literally built a franchise magic came into a great one.
Bro what is Steph supposed to say no to the best pg ever? Like huge respect to Steph for having competitive spirit he is the goat pg and he has to believe it that’s like asking Lebron are u good at basketball u have believe in yourself huge respect to Steph!
The fact is that folks that know hoop will create a roster of Magic as PG and Curry as SG. That should tell you whom the better PG is.
today it is debatable. maybe one more ring or a really dominant season, then it is steph.
is it just me or is videos format completely copied by JxmmyHighrollers video titled "the harsh truth about the goat debate". i just thought it was a little suspicious
If we use all the normal comparisons the other guy wins but if I cherry-pick my own comparisons then my guy wins.
Louder voice next vid😂
Magic should be in their own category, based on height. 6'9". Penny, Lebron, Ben Simmons, Iggy (?), Pippen, Bird (?), Luka. Point Forwards
Steph is the size of a Traditional Point. (Isiah, PG3, Nash, etc.) I can't think of another point who can manipulate plays, create open shots for teammates without the ball just by running across the floor. This separates Steph from even the Elite Scoring Points (Gil, Rose, Isiah, Dame, Trey...) of any Era
My arguments for curry is how he basically invented the 3 pointer, his gravity, and how he played vs a top 2 player in the finals and won 3/4 times. Curry made teams start shooting 30 3s a game instead of like 5. Also don’t forget how he had a double team for the whole game and his team still won (Ik that was college but still they were that scared of him)
no mention of john stockton? lol
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I can only imagine if Curry had a top 2 GOAT candidate on his team like Magic had with Kareem.
one thing to consider is that magic stopped playing at 31
The reason this is argued is that magic is the best traditional point guard staff is a unique point guard. He doesn’t average 15 nine and 11 each night he averages more like 37 at 11 each night and so that’s why the comparisons are confusing.
The modern NBA has become more "position-less". The Warriors have a setup with 2 shooting guards in the back court with Draymond doing most of the facilitating in the power forward position hence why some label him as a "point forward". Another example is Jokic. He is a center who not only blocks, rebounds and scores, but also facilitates.
uhh he doesnt average 37 and 11????? steph fans love pulling numbers out of their ass because if you actually look at the stats and accolades, it is absolutely CLEAR that magic is better
if he averaged 37 an 11 he wouldnt just be the greatest pg of all time, he would be the greatest player of all time
@@kingvongaming7088 sorry I meant to say 30 and 7