How should we remember LeBron James' Heat teams?
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It's been over ten years since LeBron James and Chris Bosh joined forces with Dwyane Wade on the Miami Heat. They formed a team that set records, won championships, and yet still feel haunted by the word "underachieved". How should we remember the Heatles?
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Most important teams of all time is this going to be a new series? Would love to see that.
You should do a special group of videos showcasing each decade. The highs, the lows, the superstars, the notable teams and spectacular moments both in the regular season as well as playoffs and finals.
A team that should of won 15 playoff series in a row is how I see them...they should have three peated.....lebron will never live down the 2011 finals imo...
I think the thing about the 2013 ring is that if the Spurs had won then, they wouldn't have spent the 2014 season as a revenge tour. I think in every version of the universe, the Heat win one and the Spurs win one, just not necessarily the same years.
Very cool take!
Reasonable take
Same with Cavs warriors in 2015 and 16. If Kyrie and Love weren’t injured, Cavs win 2015, but then the Warriors win in 2016.
(Does this mean KD would’ve joined the Cavs?) 😂
@@jamesmeyer9574 Different timeline I like it. Then Cavs would win bak 2 back I suppose, idk.
I would agree with you with most other teams, but the Spurs were title contenders literally every year. Knowing Pop, Duncan, Gino, and the rest of that crew, there was never a year off. They seemed to play each season like they were on a revenge tour. We're talking 1999-2017, they had 0 seasons with under 50 wins, and 6 seasons with 60 or more. It didn't matter if they won or lost, they were aiming for a chip at all times.
The fact that Duncan even stayed after the 2014 chip shows you how hungry they were. In the 2015 playoffs, they took the Clippers to 7 games and barely lost in that final game because Kawhi straight up choked (I know it's hard for many people to believe the man had a tendency to do that even before that meltdown during the 2nd round of the Bubble).
People think the Spurs were on life support when it was actually the Heat that were. Wade's knees were done by the end of the 2012 season. By all intents and purposes, 2013 was Wade's last hoorah. The Heat bench was also starting to thin out while the Spurs' was getting better. So if the Spurs had gotten that 2013 chip, they were gonna get the 2014 chip as well.
He’s back! Clayton Crowley is what ESPN should be
Just imagine if Clayton Crowley had ESPN's budget and resources. It's almost unfathomable how great that would be
Facts
If ESPN released 10 minutes of content every 6 moths, maybe. But they have to put out at hours and hours a day. So, the comparison is funny, but makes little sense.
Truth
I’d watch more live tv way more if this is what I saw when I turned on ESPN.
The Cavs also made 4 straight finals in 2015, '16, '17 & '18 not just the Heat, Celtics and Warriors. Also just wanna say how impressive your content is, you're easily one of the highest quality NBA guys out there, and you really came out the gate hot, I don't think you've made a bad video, I don't even think you've made a not great video. Hope more people get recommended this because they'd definitely stick around.
Also the Lakers: 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985
I think he meant at the time not all-time
Bron made 8 straight finals btw.
@@wetlikewater237 mostly ended as a runner up.
@@TaylorLeprechaun couldn't be, he had Steph's warriors in there for the exact same finals (plus 2019)
That Heat team was great but when you stack them up as a team to the other juggernauts, they don't stack up that well. People forget that Dwade was riddled with injuries after the first finals (still good for the second year), they had shooters throughout those years but no really good big men (34-35 year old Chris Anderson probably being their best one and he was usually benched during crunch time and put LeBron at the 5) and their bench was not deep and very aged. They had a lot of holes on that team. Now just visually speaking they were top tier content. LeBron was in his physical prime flying around the court on offense and defense looking angry and mean with those all black, all white and all red jerseys on lol Then you had Dwade throwing up full court oops to him and them going on win streaks, crowds booing them. Just amazing entertainment. That heat crowd was different different too. The highs and lows of that team were magnified and it felt like a movie. When the Heat were playing, the atmosphere was just different. While I understand why people call them a super team because of the 3 stars, they were not actually that crazy built as a team compared to the top of the line all time great teams who had stars AND deep benches. So while I would say they fall short of that, they were for sure one of the most entertaining teams of all time
They did have a really good big man, his name was Chris Bosh.
I feel like the Heat suffered from the same failings that all of Lebron's recent teams have, they mortgage the future for the present, they're old, they're injured, and they don't have depth.
They did have a stud big named Chris Bosh though.
@@CiabanItReal sure bot he was not a good rimprotector
@@TheStatisfiedOne that's why they had the Miami Others to fill those other rolls
agreed for the most part however lebron and battier shared 3/4 while bosh was the 5.
Born and raised in south Florida, 2010-2014 was a magical time. As much as it hurts to admit I feel the general consensus amongst heat fans is that we did underachieve. What hurts even more though is that Dwyane Wade's brilliance gets completely over-shadowed. Would I trade 2 rings for Wade to get a little more shine? Absolutely not, but being that Wade is unanimously considered the 3rd best SG of all time and you barely even mentioned his name in the video proves that point exactly. LeBron's ascension to Mt. Rushmore doesn't happen without Dwyane Wade. His prior championship knowledge as well as his willingness to be a second fiddle to someone who a lot of people consider to be the GOAT allowed him to be just that. I truly don't believe LeBron gets there without Wade's influence
It was a love/hate relationship for me back then. It was exhausting always fighting for respect for my team 😂 I also think people forget how we had a pretty raw Spoelstra. Bet if we had current day Spoelstra they win all those finals. We also were always old af and had to sign Greg Oden and etc because that’s what we could afford. Wade was different and people forget Wade was killing Dallas in the finals too it’s just as a team we struggled and made a lot of mistakes and Dallas made smart plays.
I don't think Wade truly gets overshadowed. It's just that in the 2nd title, it was clear he was already running on fumes. And a title in that 4th season seemed out of shot almost from the beginning just because of how run down Wade was.
I love Wade, but seeing that team only made me disappointed they didn't team up earlier. It also makes me want to see players team up now when their styles fit so perfectly. As much as I want competition, and I still do, I love seeing the best basketball situation exist. The NBA has 2 teams with nearly half of the league's titles (34/74). Powerhouses have always existed & I'd love to see 2 evenly matched powerhouses duke it out for half a decade.
Your best years were with LeBron. Wade ain’t even get 1 mvp ever and y’all were sorry ass fans
As a Heat fan, well said. Something that hurts Wade’s legacy is that he became the 2nd option on that team, which ironically enough, improved LeBron’s legacy. Worth remembering that Wade was on fire in 2011, and if LeBron averages just 22 a game in those finals, Heat win and D.Wade gets a 2nd finals MVP. Who knows how that would have shaped team dynamics going forward
That’s like saying michael doesn’t ascend without Scottie . Obviously
I also feel a similar way about the 2015-2016 Cavs too. They would’ve been far better in the regular season if Kyrie wasn’t in and out of the lineup with injury.
Definitely and it would’ve been amazing to see what would’ve played out minus KD on the warriors I think that rivalry would’ve surpassed bird/magic if the KD move never happens and if Kyrie never gets hurt they probably split 2-2 or possibly meet 5 str8 years instead
@@shanerobinson925 yeah the first two titles both teams basically traded of because Cleveland was supposed to win 2015 but injuries happened and same thing in 2016 with Golden State
IMO the cavs 2017 were the best cavs. they went 12-1 in the east playoffs and absolutely destroyed the celtics. but no one remembers them because of the 2016 cavs story and the 2017 warriors gentlemen sweeping them
@@TheDuffcat agree completely. They just had to go up against debatably the greatest team ever in the Finals that year, so no one noticed just how great of a team the 2017 Cavs were.
@@TheDuffcat no, 2015 cavs were the best versions, 1 way you know the 2017 cavs are overrated is when cavs swept healthy celtics, but lost 1 game to an injured celtics team lead by avery bradley, that should tell you
I love these videos and the fact this popped up as soon I got on, legendary
I'm only 30, but this was my favorite time to watch basketball. So many legends that we don't talk about anymore and they were only legends in this era. Chandler Parsons for a bit? Jeremy Lin? Roy Hibbert and Lance Stephenson? Rose's Bulls? The underachieving Thunder with Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka? Those same Celtics. Kobe and Pau still hanging in there. Paul George just beginning to blossom. The low-key good Nuggets. That brutal Memphis team. Dwight Howard's ridiculous journey in that time. And of course my underachieving, but still highly respectable Spurs. And of course these villains.
It was also the heart of that transitioning phase between grinding games to the up-tempo style of today. The Warriors solidified it and then brought boring basketball with them until we are just now starting to rebalance, but this time frame here was like a cultural war still going hot. Before the slow big men were made useless. When 3s were still impressive.
Drama. Combine everything about this era and it was just incredible television and I think that makes us a bit biased about why we want them to be regarded as so good. This Heat team might not be among the best ever, but they were barely the best in one of the most competitive eras ever when all is said and done, so it just feels big. I'm not going to sit here and ever make a case for them, but I am going to fully embrace that feeling where they just did provide me with quality entertainment of the highest tier.
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Lots of interesting stuff here. I love that era as well and think it is almost a bit underrated at this point. I think the 2013 Finals are that perfect sweet spot of pace and space, skilled big men, three point shooting, unique defenses and elite playmaking. Those teams were so versatile and it made for some incredibly high level play. Despite Miami going to four straight Finals, that was a competitive era that could have gone a few different ways if played out again.
I am from San Antonio, but I really enjoyed those Heat teams. I remember my brother and I celebrating after "the decision" because we were excited to watch those guys play together. The "holier than thou" response to LeBron going there always bothered me. This was another really enjoyable video. Good stuff.
It was definitely a good era, and plus the Heat were heavy favorites but they didn't seem unbeatable. From 2017-2019 there was literally no reason to watch the NBA when kevin do-cant joined the warriors, especially when combined with the way the NBA changed how they ref games which basically made playing defense illegal
@@stevenscummy1458 yea and the fact that if Durant stayed the would have still been winning rings😂
Roy Hibbert and Legend shouldn’t even be in the same paragraph 😭
They absolutely underachieved and are absolutely a top 10 NBA team of all time even with just two chips
The fact that Lebron was on 2 of the only 4 teams to ever 4peat to the Finals is pretty crazy
I mean the East was just terrible… he’s played 2 actual seasons in the west n missed the playoffs and a first round exit and this year looks to b one of those two again. The bubble was a joke
@@TheSands83 don’t forget the championship he just won in the west. The same west that just lost in the finals last year 🤔.
@@cdubbiedub9370 😂😂the bubble? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TheSands83yeah the same bubble where all the other nba teams played in if they made the playoffs lol
@@TheSands83 Why the hell do people laugh at the Bubble so much? Does that championship just NOT count?
People heavily underate this team. 66 wins, 27 straight wins (2nd most ever), 15-1 on 2nd night back to backs (most ever), evolution of small ball on offense and defense, and a roster that is crazy underplayed (people act like it was prime bron, some past their prime has beens and bums). This should be one of the greatest teams of all time. And Clayton has always said you take advantage of your advantages. Ray Allen was a great three point shooter. If he missed, it would've been a bunch of criticism of the team that BRON helped built. This is all just my opinion
You’re a great writer, you do a great job of capturing the emotions associated with the moments you’re covering.
This heat team doesn’t get enough credit for popularizing small ball and having a 5 out offense. Definitely agree with your beginning statement their legacy was dwarfed by the warriors success
this team heavily influenced pace and space as well
Clayton! Another absolute CLASSIC. Beautiful writing, mixed with logical points, and a fair, appreciative outlook. You're music to the soul, my man.
I’ll remember them for Wade and Lebron coughing on their way into the arena to mock Dirk in the 2011 Finals. And I assure you, they remember it as well.
A whole video just to defend not giving the 2014 Spurs a Making the Case. I WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU CLAYTON... but I will keep watching every video.
The heat team in 2014 wasnt old or declining. They were beaten. Like when isiah said the pistons got old, scottie said no, they were beaten.
Yea as a heat fan the 2014 finals hurt ,but the spurs just kicked out ass they deserved that chip
True
Bro wade and bosh were declining. Wades knees were nonexistent
@@fullmetal1766 wades knees were nonexistent that finals
@@jasonmoukala8909 yea it was ugly lol
Around 08 is when me and my friends got into basketball and I remember love watching Dwade play. So I claimed Heat as my team, which to this day still a die hard fan, then Bron and Bosh joined and I remember loving it but everyone hated it lol watch ever playoff series I remember where I was when they won and lost and still remember the sadness and excitement. Sadly I haven't loved basketball as much as I did in those days but man the up's and downs were some of my fondness memories.
I remember the headband game. That may have also been the first time people had seen that Bron was starting to go bald.
Starting to think he kinda knew it and that's why he went absolutely apeshit on the Spurs.
What I find most interesting is they are the only team to beat the spurs in the finals, and the only eastern team to win back to back finals since Jordan retired from Chicago.
Man, that was such a fun 4 years! The rush of watching so many high stakes games even during the regular season when every other team wanted to beat us, especially during the 27 game winning streak!!
Contrasted with our Finals run in the bubble. It was a very different experience, once we got past the Bucks, it felt like playing with house money. It’s different when your team is the favorite and has the best player in the league in his prime vs that bubble run with a fun scrappy team (albeit Jimmy playing like prime LBJ).
The 2005 and 2006 teams were more like the Heatles because those teams were expected to make deep playoff runs and Finals berths!
The Heat have been a constant bright spot as long as I have been watching sports. The Marlins got a couple good runs before selling off their teams, the Dolphins have been mediocre at best, the Panthers are fun but never good (I’m too young to remember they’re Finals run, though this year look out!)
This video just made think why the 13-14 Spurs aren't on your list for one of the greatest teams ever. What they did to the league that year and the beauty of their game hasn't been seen since and arguably set up the formula for what made the Warriors so great. Not many people remember that the Spurs were the team that ushered in the 3-point era that year.
The Miami heat 2012-13 team were one of the greatest and most entertaining team of all time
Your conclusion in the end is masterful- they shot par & are 1 of the most important teams of all time. Few words but a precise conclusion
I remember the aftermath of the Ray Allen game. We had a PE assembly after lunch (time zones, NBA games aired 9am to lunch in the Philippines) and the ENTIRETY of my Grade 6 batch were in the throes of Heatmania. It was insane, nobody in that assembly that day ever declared themselves as a Spurs fan. We ALL wanted Lebron to win.
Excellent work, Clayton. This video gave me chills.
thanks for always doing great work Clayton :)!
Would you ever make a one-off video about your thoughts, impressions, and overall appreciation of the very same 2013-2014 Spurs team that decimated the Heatles? They're my favorite squad ever, and I'd love to hear more detailed analysis about why they were so great and fun to watch!
That was the most fun I've ever had watching a team playing "real" basketball, cutting, passing and scoring the old fashioned way, that was the last year before the NBA went to shit because of the Warriors and Steph Curry.
Great video as always. Also shout out to the Black Ops 2 multiplayer music in the ad 😂
I just saw you tweet about having a new vid always hyped to see ur videos mann goated as always
Edit: Also just want to mention this is like the best bday gift btw
Always a great day when Clayton posts
Thanks for getting me into basketball, Clayton. Really love the content
You gotta make a video about the 2014 Spurs at some point. It's clear you've got a special reverence for how they played.
Agreed, that spurs team was just dangerous
In those finals,the spurs reached the highest level of basketball ever played in the history of the sport. Never before or after did I see 5 guys work as a complete unite. They got hot with their shooting at the same time as their decision making on and of the ball got absolutly perfect.
Bro I just found u and you make amazing videos keep up the good work
Fun fact when lebron joined the heat he said he chose to wear number 6 because he wanted a change the reality was he couldn't wear 23 because the heat retired the number in honor of Jordan and they refused to unretire it for lebron
Yea, definitely going to need more videos like this one
Got in trouble for listening to your video during class but it was worth it🙏🏼
Completely agree with your conclusion, and with the way you started the conversation. I started watching basketball and continue to watch because of that 2013 finals
Another awesome video Mr.Crowley I really do enjoy your content! I would love if you made a video about the previously mentioned San Antonio Spurs one day? If not it's ok, but it would be amazing to see you produce a video about them.
Seconded, there's over a decade of magic to dissect and digest.
Great content sir. You are very talented..
Flawless transition to the ad, including the black ops music. Classic
Another great video!!
The 1988 Lakers came just as close as 2013 Heat to losing the Finals.
I’d love to see a second season of making the case for players. I feel like the series itself is less about who the actual GOAT is and more about showing players in the best possible light and if you were to say make a video for everyone you think has a case to be top 5 or 10 I think that’d be really interesting (and also gives you an opportunity to make the kobe you know you want to make)
Honestly the best nba CZcamsr out there right now. Great concepts and content
Let’s go, new Clayton Crowley!!!
Fire writing/commentary man
Clayton, this was a great topic to tackle!
Love your videos man. Your probably the best hoops account on the platform right now. I’m a diehard heat homer so I massively overrate this team, but the big 3 years will always be the greatest years of my basketball watching life. No matter the result in the finals, going to four straight is hard to do no matter who is on your squad.
another banger from claygod
Really glad you made this video because they are such an anomaly when you look at them compared to the GOAT teams. They have to be mentioned but their case is just bizzare.
I've never been the biggest fan of your thumbnails but this one is fire. I'd say your best thumbnails are this one, Making the Case Warriors, Making the Case Bulls, Finals MVP, GOAT Shooter, Skip Bayless is an embarrassment and your "Let's laugh at the New York Knicks." The improvement over time is great.
It's funny, as well as the the MJ video, these videos I listed are all my favourite videos from you. Awesome to see.
Lmao that segway
one thing for sure, those wade-to-james and james-to-wade fastbreak/alley-oops were a hell of a lot of fun to witness...
That music you played during the NORD-VPN clip sounded really familiar. I think I remembered hearing it when playing Call of Duty.
My day is always made whenever you upload Daddy Clayton
Nice work
One more comment. You are massively underrating those pacers teams. We played them three straight years and it was a dogfight each time and that does not blemish the Beatles legacy.
2013 Heat to me are the best team of all time. Or just bias since they are my all time favorite
They are the ones that started the Small Ball Death Lineup with Wade at PG. Allen SG Battie SF Bron PF and Bosh C. This lineup will always be my favorite starting 5
Great transition to the ad!
Heliocentric is the best original(I hope) term I’ve heard used when taking about sports. Great vocab man
Not one bad video on this channel 🔥🔥
As a kid who grew up in Miami, I was just leaving elementary school during this era and been to several lebron era heat games, i was a fan of the Miami heat, not just lebron. I was too young to realize the bigger picture. I really loved that my hometown team went on a 27 game win streak or attracted such national attention. It was insane. It’s easily my favorite team of all time
Great video brother. New sub definitely.
You should have your own TV Show. Great video!
WOO! This series is tight.
I love you. lol your vids are amazing.
1:06 the lakers also made 4 straight Finals in the Showtime era where they '82-'85
The goat is back
This was incredible
I’m a new basketball fan, just getting into it in 2022, and Dwade is my favorite player. I didn’t ever experience the hate this team got, but I’ve heard it talked about. But I love that players can team up and make incredible teams. My dad hated it. Interesting.
LeBron had prime wade for only the first year smh
Love the video and I feel very much the same way that it’s so odd that one play here and they could be 1-3 in four years and a few bad games go the other way and they could be 3-1. The thing is we could do that with several dynasties in different ways. It would take to long to do but every team or dynasty has a signing that almost never happened or a shot or this or that.
Another Epic video...
1:08 the 80s Celtics also went to 4 straight finals.....but if you meant "franchise" as in the team in general, then sure. But I saw you specified the 60s Celtics and mid 2010s warriors, so I just wanted to throw Bird's Celtics in there. They also won two in that span, just like this Heat team.
My favorite sports team of all time. Went to both title parades in that era. Hopefully I get to go to another one this year.
If the Heat win 2011 and threepeat, I honestly see the momentum carrying over to a fourpeat. Would the Spurs reach the peak they did in 2014? Would the Heat still slow down as bad as they did in the second half of the 2014 regular season? I see them winning 57+ that year if they threepeat 2011-2013. I see them pulling out multiple wins like game 2 of the 2014 finals
this is a TOP TIER advertisement segway brotha.. well done 😂
The goat returns 😁
The BO2 music in the background of the Ad read hit different
You're a great writer and speaker. I am enjoying your vids.
I think they feel weird because they weren't organic. The period perfectly fits into the legacy of every important member of the team from Leborn (as the rise to the top after leaving home), Wade (as doing it again as the 2nd option, similarly to Kobe's first 3 title period, but reverse order) through Bosh (sacrifising status to be part of a champ caliber team) and Allen (as his personal last dance) to Spoelstra and Riley. But The Heat, as the team, it's until 2010, cut, the dynasty until 2014, cut, post 2014 team. You can't take into account where they come from and how they lost their status, because those parts are missing. You have this alien, 4 years of top team, that came, existed, won, lost and it was gone. That's unlike anything we have seen, so hard to have comparisons and therefore definetive feelings.
Heat was the team that didnt fly too high either fell too low
The Miami Heat that rang in the new decade from 2010 on was the blueprint for what the Golden State Warriors would become later in that same decade. The amount of parallels from Lebron moving to Miami and KD going to GS and the history both moves made is eerily similar. Lebron, from the moment of his "The Decision" special, blazed a new path for NBA players to put their own lives ahead of the franchises that drafted them, their own happiness over the franchise's success.
Was it a bad thing for Lebron to do?
Objectively, no, he has and had every right to take his talents to whatever team he wanted to.
Subjectively, yes, he destroyed the existing "parity" in the NBA at the time by creating the new "Big 3" to take over the NBA.
As Clayton pointed out early in the video, those Miami Heat teams will always have the stigma of "underachievement" because of how much hype was built up around the team. Had Lebron not gone the way he had of flaunting the "Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4" speech, the team might be viewed a bit more favorably in hindsight. But because of the massive expectations and hype that was put on the Heat as well as the initial collapse of the 2011 Finals, the combination of those two things, among a myriad of other factors, makes those Lebron Miami Heat teams not as great in comparison to other great teams.
Credit is due for those Heat teams but not in the same way that was put into the series of Making the Case for the GOAT teams. Hell, even Bill Simmons did a mock tournament with Zach Lowe on the GOAT teams and both of them even said that those Lebron Miami Heat teams, as good as they were, don't hold a candlelight to other teams, like the 2017 Golden State Warriors.
Great video as always, CC! I wish you could upload more often but I know that you put a lot of time, care, and effort into each video you put up so as I wait for more, I will gladly rewatch your older videos again and again.
Edit: a word
Do you by any chance know where to find the mock tournament? I'm interested in giving that a watch
@@fernygee89 Look up "Bill Simmons Best 21st Century Teams with Zach Lowe". It's about 35 minutes long but they do go in depth to what made each team great.
This team impacted basketball in many ways. The 2013 team will for be my favorite team.
As Dwyane Wade’s Heat team that’s how
This is a great video. Would love to see one contributed to that 2014 Spurs team one day
Yeah I was waiting for their greatest team ever making the case video
Yes I've needed a dive on this team
I will say that those teams produced 4 years of the most entertaining Finals and Eastern Conference playoffs in recent memory.
that 2011 heat team was severely underpowered. no elite pg, no 7 footers, no shooters, no bench, just a big 3. that 2011 mavs team had EVERYTHING a nba champ should have, they had shooters galore, elite pgs, 2 7 footers that could shoot, they SWEPT kobe who was on his way to a 3peat they broke playoff single game free throw and 3pt records. that mavs team being seen as just dirk dominance never will sit right with me sure he played elite basketball but so did the REST OF HIS TEAM. lebrons first and last heat team left him high and dry in big moments. dirks mavs we’re firing on all cylinders every damn game, dirk would shoot poorly from the field but get like 20+ free throws whenever he wanted, harden and bron learned how from him literally
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The Heat had damn near all of that what are you talking about lol the Celtics and Bulls were deeper teams than the Heat and they still got overwhelmed by the big 3 had Lebron not Choked the Heat would’ve won that year
Can you do a video on the Spurs dynasty or a 2014 Spurs video (my personal favorite ever team)?
Great question!
Bro the black ops 2 music during the ad 😂
Hell yeah! The iconic MP dubstep
i like the BO2 theme during the ad
The heat team was very top heavy. There were many games where James and Wade had to score close 80 points combined just to squeak by a mediocre team that was .500 or under. Chalmers was a good pg, but with guys like Curry, rose, Russ, cp3, etc all getting better , they often times struggled against star point guards. And because they had subpar rim protection, slashing guards like rondo, rose, and Russ feasted. It took LeBron switching onto rose games 4 and 5 of the 2011 ecf to win games 4 and 5 down the stretch. Guys like Brandon Jennings, Michael Carter Williams, Jrue Holiday , monta Ellis all had huge scoring games versus the Heat.
Rondo was the primary reason the 2012 ecf went to 7 games, his development from the year prior was astounding and the way he diced up the heat defense was extraordinary. As a LeBron and Wade supporter, he was scary. Even though they gave him 6 ft of space he would still somehow always find his way into the paint. It's why Tony Parker, patty Mills and Manu feasted in the 2014 finals, just drive and kick and the heat defense would collapse. So for them to even win 2 rings with all the defensive problems, (they were largely great defensively because they could get a lot of steals and a few blocks but weren't gunna outright shutdown many stars). It's LeBron and wades great overall ability that really made them successful along with Bosh Ray and Mike Miller creating space for them to flourish. But in all whenever LeBron would sit or not play they had a losing record. A superteam is supposed to be able to go without one of their stars and still win games the heat couldn't.
And because they lacked in rim protection they were also out rebounded quite a bit. It's how the Bulls in 2013 snapped their win streak. Noah and Boozer were grabbing a ton of offensive rebounds giving the bulls more chances to score. It's a large reason they went to 7 with the pacers, Hibbert and west feasted on putbacks all series long. If the heat had managed to acquire a defensive minded rebounding big that was a young upcoming big and could catch lobs they would've 3 peated or at least taken the Spurs in 2014 to 6-7. But they had so many enemies from Orlando to Cleveland to the Lakers to the Knicks, Celtics pacers, thunder I think nobody wanted to help em with a trade.
The heat superteam is the superteam that everybody always wanted as much as we hated them they did everything that they were supposed to do for my fans aspect.
When they dominated they dominated they have the identity to and roster to be unbeatable, but this team can just like any other team can.
They have fans that both love and hate these players and played with the historically great franchise but not the greatest.
And went up against teams that had all time great moments if not all time great teams
The thing about Heat was that it was way more mental than ever! Everyone hated them and wanted to beat them badly at all costs and then still winning 2 chips with that amount of resistance by the competition they had even the east had its obstacles the Pacers weren’t in the ecf for no reason and it’s really more difficult sometimes to play against an underdog who is suddenly playing above his average and surprises you big time cuz you don’t expect that and the Spurs were always a 50+ winning team that time so
Man... this is art.
They should be put in the same category as the 76ers from the early 80s and the Kobe/Pau Lakers.
adding the bo2 music on the nord vpn ad was masterful editing