Why There Were NO DYNASTIES in the 1970s
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- An in depth breakdown on why the 1970s were without an NBA dynasty team.
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Will we ever see another decade without a dynasty team?
NOTE: It was brought to my attention that Uncle Hays did a video on this exact same topic 3 weeks ago. Feel bad now knowing that I posted this so soon after his, so I'll just plug his channel. Go check out Uncle Hays, and get his perspective on the 70s as well!
This one
2020's imo
Probably not. I bet the Nuggets are about to go on a run
This decade is slowly becoming like that
I would say this decade
2020 Champs: Lakers
2021 Champs: Bucks
2022 Champs: Warriors
2023 Champs: Nuggets
There's still 6 seasons in this decade so this supposed dynasty has to one at least 3 championships or be a finals contender for 4/5 out of those 6 championships
I actually like the parity of the 70's and imo the 2020's looks to be following a similar path with the same team winning at most two chips, and new teams winning championships.
Agreed. Even similarly, a lot of the players drafted in the late 2000s to early 2010s (curry, Durant, westbrook, 2003 but lebron, pg, etc) are getting older and the new generation is coming in. I'm very excited to see all the teams that win this decade
Do you think Denver has a chance to repeat?
@@fortynights1513 definitely, but time will tell
I was about to say the same thing
@@fortynights1513they got the talent their starting five is pretty damm good
2020's has the potential for being an era of parity as well. One reason could be superstars holding their teams hostage and threatening to leave very quickly and not getting a chance to build a competitive roster. Though the Nuggets are in a good position to buck that trend.
Which superstar threatened to leave "very quickly"? Matter of fact, where's the "trend" (your words not mine) of superstars that have left their teams quickly without giving them a chance to build a contender around them first?
Back in the day everybody could play, even with the soft rules the talent just isn't there 🇺🇲
70s an underrated era, would’ve been cool to see if 2k24 could’ve added the 70s era and let you choose if you want to run teams in the NBA or ABA
Also a ton of people hate dynasties and want parity but the one era that has parity is considered as the worst for eras from 60s-20s
I heard having a 70s era in 2K might be difficult because having to program the game to not have 3pt.
@@Rolo555 They did that in 2K12 with the Greatest players mode
@@Rolo555 the ABA had the 3 point line
I have a series I just started 1950-1960 and created a 1970s league as well. Working some kinks, but both are very fun
Thank you Jonny, 70s was underrated era for NBA basketball!
@@billybadass3056 it’s not appreciated enough for a decade that didn’t have a dynasty team like other decades
@@billybadass3056 I didn’t say that the 70s decade was better than other decades. I’m saying that if you watch just the games and the talent of players alone from that decade, it should be some comparisons between them and other players in different ways. I wasn’t alive in the 70s but appreciated their importance for the way they played at that time.
@@billybadass3056 I didn’t mean to make you upset or be up in arms when I said underrated about a basketball decade that people don’t care or appreciate with its force narratives of fighting and drugs instead of the talent pool of that. Other decades of basketball are better, I just can’t ignore what the 70s NBA/ABA brought at that time.
@@cadecrusader3940every other decade is better tho that’s why it’s under appreciated
@@d3va383 agreed
Thanks for showing love and breaking down the least-talked about era outside of the 1950’s
The 70’s has always been my favorite era for the league. So many underrated players who get really slept on nowadays. Guys like Bob Lanier, Wes Unseld, Maurice Lucas, Charlie Scott, Paul Westphal, Lou Hudson, Jo Jo White, Artis Gilmore, Bob Dandridge, Paul Silas and Phil Smith were great players in their day who rarely get talked about nowadays. I never have been much of a fan of dynasties, as I feel as if they make the league a lot more uncompetitive and one-sided. The 70’s to me feels the most balanced and competitive which is why it’s always going to be my favorite era. It’s a shame about all of the personal stuff that was going on at the time.
This is my favorite time period in NBA history. The ABA merger; the parity; and just the nutty 70s, period. It wasn't the best but among the most colorful and definitely unsung.
I love the parity of competition. Having multiple championship contenders keeps the fans more engaged.
70s basketball is probably the one most people wish they saw the most.
An era filled with violence, cocaine and rough playing
For me it’s gotta be 90s would’ve killed to watch those games live
Being from Baltimore but being born in the 80s and growing up not really having a hometown nba team I for sure wished I lived during that 70s era to experience it lol
70s basketball is probably the one most people THINK they would like to see most.
You’ll find a lot of good, overlooked players and teams in the 70’s. I’ve heard some say the early 2020’s reminds them of that time.
I think it’d be interesting, but the league would probably hate an era like that now because they do their best in the ratings typically, when one marketable player is on one of the best teams and dominates for a time.
Hey Johnny, thank you for the increase in content!!! Daily videos have not gone unnoticed so I definitely appreciate the work you got in and to maintain the high quality while doing it!!!!
You should make a video one day ,where you talk about era biases, like how people discredit older players like wilt and bill saying their competition was weak and then talk about how people arent consistent about weak competition argument because no one criticizes lebron for playing in a weak east or magic for playong in a weak west , i think you would KILL this topic , what you think?
It's a great idea! I'll write that down. The biases definitely go both ways though when it comes to eras. I also get annoyed when people are too assuming of biases. Theres a lot to unpack, and too much for a comment, so yeah, I might just have to do that!
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@markjackson6431 Listen bro, I might, and honestly I think I probably will at some point. I'm grateful for my viewers, but you have to remember that this is my channel. I was happy to give you that Mark Price video a while back, but after you got what you wanted, you seemed empowered to become way more demanding. If you're gonna spam chat in every single video, and be so demanding that you get your video request, it almost makes the creator NOT want to honor your wishes, because it seems so entitled, as if it's your channel.
I might do that video, but you gotta chill on the spam or I'm gonna have block your comments, because you're taking over the chat with the demands.
Jonny, I have some originally researched material that you might find interesting enough to make a video about. Where can I email it to you?
@HardmanHundal01 Go to my "About" section on my CZcams page, and towards the bottom, there should be a spot to email me for "Business Inquiries". I'm actually a little behind on responding to emails and Instagram DMs, so if you've emailed me already, I'm sorry I haven't got back to you. You can literally just resend it if you want, that way it's higher up on my emails.
Was thinking about this since you made the 2k eras video. Thanks for anwsering the question Jonny
So basically no one won consistently cause everybody was consistently too good. Must have been a great decade for those who witnessed it.
Crazy how every time a team got on a roll, something happened that ruined it
Thinking of Walton's injuries at Portland.
Salute to you and your work ethic, bc you've been hammering these out lately.
That said, I've been thinking about this lately: imagine just how deep the league would've been im the 70s if there was no ABA.
Imagine if among others Dr. J, Artis Gilmore, George Gervin, Dan Issel, Roger Browne, Spencer Haywood, David Thompson, Marvin Barnes, Louie Dampier, Larry Kenon, Rick Barry, & a rookie Moses Malone all were in the league between 1967 -1976.
Doc, for example, would've been on the 1972 Bucks with veteran Oscsr Robertson and a stratospherically ascend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar that in the real timeline makes the 74 Finals.
Does Cap stay there a little longer now that Doc is there to lighten the load? Remember, Doc and Kareem were bar none the 2 best players of th 1970s.
So much would change and IMHO this would've been the deepest era ever in terms of talent in such a short span of time.
So far, the 2020s looks like It might replicate the parity of the 1970s, since 2019 we have a new champion every year, and It looks like It Will continúe that way.
Good video. I think the 2020s might be another decade of parity. We've had four different winners in four years so far. Lakers and Warriors have old stars. The two defining 2020s players are Giannis and Jokic so far. The Bucks seem to be on the general decline at the moment so they'll need to seriously retool if they want another ring this decade. The Nuggets are really in the best position at the moment to be the dynasty of the 2020s. We'll see if they capture the 2024 title; if they don't, we could see the legends of the 2010s retiring and giving room for new talent to start winning like Tatum, Doncic and Shai.
Two things :
(1) About the 2020's....I think that the arrival and maturity of so many non-American Superstars at an all-time World Class level is having a similar effect on the NBA as the ABA merger did....it's almost like when Dr. J, Barry (who was in the ABA), and a host of others arrived, introducing a new style of play to the league....We're now seeing a re-introduction of the Fundamentals-Based player (Jokic, Luka), AND the Power Bigs (Giannis, Embiid), who have more to their game than their predecessors (handles, shooting range, etc.)
(2) Back to the 70's : Even though he didn't win as much as Russell, I don't think ENOUGH emphasis is put on Wilt's retirement, and the impact it had. Even though injuries - and age - had slowed him he was still elite...he just wasn't WILT elite anymore...in the 72-73 season he averaged 13/18/4 on 70% shooting AND played in all 82 games - he was more durable than Lebron at the same age in a WAY more physical league...on top of that his teams had been to four finals in five years....you still had to go through him to win the Chip. I believe that he still would have been a tremendous help to a contending team if he had been traded to them (he retired because of financial issues with the Lakers ADN he was probably bored)....Imagine if he had gone back to the Sixers with Dr. J....
I can't front...u really did your HOMEWORK..u Broke da NBA 70'S down likkah Shotgun. Good Work.
Because Bill Russell decided to let others have a chance 😂
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I mean when you have amazing teammates it isn't hard to win
Jonny Arnett has quality AND quantity
this era too gonna be very competitive 4 seasons 4 winners
Jonny should do a Bill Walton video. Huge ‘what if’ career.
already know this video is gonna be a banger
Bro you been working your ass off with these basketball lore videos. Keep it up bro I’m glad I subbed!
The Blazers won in 6 games and also had a key former ABA player in Maurice Lucas.
the knicks went to 3 finals in the early in the 1970s. Also the Bullets. They are the closest
Uncle hayes is a good channel that talks about 70s and 60s basketball
Johnny just blessin us with all these uploads 🐐 hoops youtuber
Jonny you are killing it. Dropping high quality content every day. I applaud you and your wife for the best offseason content. Thank you ❤
I really feel like we could have seen a Blazers three-peat from 1977-1979 had Walton not been injured. It's not like the '78 and '79 Bullets and Sonics were powerhouses, respectively, and Portland was cruising before Walton went down in '78 to the degree that he still won MVP despite playing in less than 60 games.
I really like these new animations you've added in recent videos. Sort of like the annotations you'd see in old facts/stat books.
I know it will be great for us basketball fans to witness a potential parity era 2.0 but I don't know whether it will help the league's marketability since no matter the talent, it's gonna be difficult to have a clear face of the league, which seems like a necessity
It definitely will not help the league. NBA Finals ratings are very clear: people watch dynasties led by charasmatic superstars. (Preferably in major media markets.)
It's a bit sad. It's so exciting not to have any idea who will win the next championship because of so much competition. For example, none of the last 5 NBA champions have made the finals in any other year except the one when they won, except the Warriors, despite 4 of the 5 teams having very talented rosters throughout these 5 years( Ws, Lakers, Denver, Bucks). Yet, this chaotically interesting path we have been following since KD left Golden State hurts the league. DANG IT!!!!
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Great video, Jonny! I have been wondering about why there were no dynasties in the 70s and you provided a great analysis. I am not sure if there will be a dynasty this decade, but either way, I am excited to see how this decade shapes up.
Happy Sunday and have a great week 😊
Jonny dropping great content like crazy in the last few days! Keep it up Jonny! 💪
Love the concept of this era analysis. Perhaps in the future you can do a video on why the Eastern Conference in the 00s were famously bad.
Props to you being one of the most consistent nba CZcamsrs during the off-season
Dope vid Johnny
Great video!
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As always great video Jonny. I think Oarity in the NBA again would be an awesome thing. A major part of the being no repeat champions in the 70s was the merger with the ABA. Also in the 79s they had a major drug problem
This is definitely the closest we’ve been to the 70’s parity. Five different champions from 2019-23, the longest period since 77-81.
Will be interesting to see if it goes to seven straight, something that has never happened in NBA history. If so, the Heat and Celtics would probably be the most likely teams to help accomplish that.
This is also already the first decade where in the first four finals of the decade, no team has won more than one yet.
I think the 70’s is gaining a brand new appreciation thanks to CZcams. I love all the different shooting and play styles
I love your videos
We are kinda in it now. DALLAS, TORONTO & MILWAUKEE recently won CHAMPIONSHIPS
I think an understated factor was the contracts and increased control teams had over players. A lot less blockbuster trades meant contenders couldn’t be formed in a season or two so the smaller retools often were deciding factors. And any dynasties that were starting to come together got hit with the merger
There wasn't player movement outside of trades back then. Gail Goodrich leaving the Lakers in free agency prompted the NBA to force the then New Orleans Jazz to compensate the Lakers with future picks one of which ended up being Magic Johnson.
Off season Jonny is uplifting!
The pacers won 3 titles in the 1970's in the ABA.
The biggest reason we didn't see a dynasty in the 70's is because a large percentage of the best players weren't in the league, so the quality was deluded.
60s 70s 80s is golden age basketball with competition
Hey Johnny, can you talk about physicality? Can you talk about the old fist fights, the introduction of the flagrant, offensive fouls, hacking and so on. Oh and how these affect free throws.
So many great teams in the 70’s. Bucks , Lakers , Celtics , Knicks and Bullets. And very good teams , Sonics Blazers , Warriors , Suns , Braves and Hawks.
We are currently in a decade of parity and it's awesome
Certainly great feeling at least a few teams have a chance
When Oscar joined the Bucks, they weren't a mediocre team. They had won 56 games the prior year, finished 2nd in the eastern division, and got to the eastern division finals (equivalent to the Eastern Conference Finals now).
They were definitely on a major rise. Getting Kareem and Dandridge the previous year. Oscar was the final piece.
One thing not discussed was the rampant drug problems many players had through out the decade. Guys like David Thompson, who would've been a consistent top 10 player, had their careers cut short getting hooked on coke.
David laments it, too. He knows. Fortunately he got off it years ago and on the right track.
I think we're gonna see this parity in this era
Excellent video- thoroughly enjoyed watching it.
One thought I had was one you raised: the teams of the early 70s had very narrow windows of opportunity because their key players were older. Oscar Robertson was the key to the Buck's championship but he was then in his mid-30s. If a prime Robertson played alongside Kareem, it's hard not to see them winning multiple titles. The Laker's "Big Three" was largely a myth. Over the span of three years that Baylor, Chamberlain and West played together, they were on the court at the same time for something like 30 games. It is perhaps the ultimate basketball irony that Baylor had to retire just a handful of games into the magical 71-72 season because his body just gave out- and the Lakers go on to win the title. The Lakers also should have beaten the Knicks in 1970, though I still doubt they would have been a dynasty because of Kareem and the Bucks.
But I'll go out on a limb and argue for a potential late 70s dynasty if things had turned out just a bit differently: the Kentucky Colonels. Hubie Brown, who coached a long time and some very good teams, says that the ABA Colonels were the best team he ever coached. They had not only the best frontline in the ABA (by a huge margin) but one better than almost any in the NBA. Artis Gilmore (later of the NBA Chicago Bulls) played center. Dan Issel (later of the NBA Denver Nuggets) played power forward, with Wil Jones- at 6'8"- playing small forward. At guard was an ABA legend in Louie Dampier and Teddy "Hound Dog" McClain. They added Caldwell Jones (later of the Philadelphia 76ers) in the year before the merger. They Colonels were not included in the merger, but I think they would have been contenders. Could they have beaten the Trailblazers, Bullets and Supersonics? I think they could have.
There's no narrative machines before backed by Media compared today where being 4-20 gave you a 20 year era.
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That was nice.
The 70s definitely felt like a transitional decade for the NBA especially with the merger. A lot of great talent but no strong identity as a league.
Another great Jonny. So far it looks as if the current decade may become a repeat of the 70s. We've had 4 different championship teams from 2020 to this year. It looks like it's anyone's championship to win this coming season. I would be interested to know your thoughts.
Can you do more of the versus series?
The 70s was an interesting time, mainly due to massive changes in the skill and make-up of the league. The 70s really introduced the first generation of players that never knew life without high profile pro basketball. The biggest reason I think is this….the depth of quality big men in the league was the primer for a championship team.
I also think the introduction of new teams (Phoenix, Washington, Seattle, Portland and the ABA additions) didn’t allow teams to consolidate power as much as the Celtics and Lakers did in the 60s.
In the 1970s, the NBA was plagued by issues such as labor-management disputes and drug use among players, and the league's popularity was waning due to its negative image. The 1980 NBA Finals, in which rookie Magic Johnson played, was only broadcast late at night as a pre-recorded game, and viewer ratings were disappointing. At the time, 17 of the 23 teams were running deficits, and there was a possibility that the league's finances would collapse.
Still, I'm very happy that the NBA regained its popularity in the 1980s thanks to Magic, Larry Bird, and David Stern.
Yes, I think we will.. This is the perfect era for it, presently!
Which is actually a good thing. The Washington Bullets/Wizards being champs makes for a interesting thought.
I think competition with the ABA also contribute to what happen in the 70s
I think we're in the midst of that sort of decade now. A lot of teams with little to no championship history winning the finals the past few years and no real dynasties in sight
Those Lakers weren't as horrible as indicated here. Yeah, they weren't contending for a chip after Wilt & Jerry retired, but Kareem was traded to the Lakers alongside Lucuis Allen. There were also some really good talent on those teams throughout the years like Gail Goodridge, Cazzie Russell, Kermit Washington, Adrian Dantley, & Norm Nixon.
They certainly had enough talent to be better than what they were throughout the mid-late 70s.
Agreed. Those post Wilt/pre-Showtime Laker squads were actually pretty solid. Gail Goodrich was able to show his skills as a first option, and Kareem was still in his absolute prime. Like you said, a lot of talented players on those teams too. Even Lou Hudson and Charlie Scott stopped by too!
00:36, Tim Duncan must be surfing, somewhere, living is best life, then gives a disapproving little smirk.
Thank goodness for Earvin Johnson and Larry Bird.
Well also halfway through the 70s the ABA merged with the NBA. I'm sure it took a while for things to change and solidify again.
The last 5 NBA Champions are different. Raptors, Lakers, Bucks, Warriors and Nuggets. It just refreshing and happy because many players from different teams win their championship for the 1st time. This is my predictions after 2023 for 2020's decade
2020 - Lakers
2021 - Bucks
2022 - Warriors
2023 - Nuggets
2024 - Suns
2025 - Heat (with Lilliard)
2026 - Mavs
2027 - Celtics
2028 - Mavs
2029 - Mavs
I think Dallas Mavericks will be the future Dynasty
The reason for parity was the ABA. Talent being diluted through 2 leagues, both stars and especially, roll players. When they merged, teams had not been organically formed and developed, as a result, there was no chemistry.
One way that parity isn't good for the league is that it can hurt attendance. Attendance was not great in the '70s and it wasn't until the arrival of Bird and magic did they NBA takeoff in popularity.
Anything looking like the old days of NBA is better then today's NBA
I actually hope 2020s kinda have different ones and can easily be like that cause soon as a team makes a run, something happens since 2019.
80’s definitely was “Split” also!! Gotta add Boston! And Detroit, “almost” gets added too! 💯
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This is why I have Wilt (#2) over Kareem (#5) All Time
Thanks to Jonny for this cool look back into the 70s. 👍🏼
Wilt is also my top 2 behind MJ, but I have Kareem at 3rd, LeBron at 4th at Russell at 5th
Willis Reed injuries probably prevented the Knicks from being a dynasty. Ofcourse Walton's injuries certainly derailed Portland from at least 2. If Oscar had been a few years younger Milwaukee may have run the table for a few years. He was ancient by 1973.
Good points. You couldn't remove a strong or dominant center from the lineup then and not suffer greatly. Like the Knicks and Blazers did.
I think we are moving in that direction again. The early 70s where characterized by high talent concentration (I.e. “super teams”) . The late 70s by a lot of plaster movement due to the ABA merger and shuffling around to compensate for retiring legends.
In the modern era player movement makes building a dynasty tough. There are more top-heavy talent laden teams, those teams are harder to keep together, and new contenders are easier to piece together quickly.
Golden State had the perfect storm, but even then they only won 3 times in 4 years before regressing. I think there is a chance at future teams becoming dynasties but more than 3 titles with the same core (60s Celtics, showtime lakers, Jordan Bulls) is really unlikely.
Actually think that's something that's happening right now.
The stars of the 2000s are all in their late 30s. And young European star talent is starting to crop up.
We haven't had a repeat champion in the current decade yet.
And the emergence of a three-point is allowing teams to go on hot streaks meaning both sitting and home court doesn't mean as much anymore.
You should do a video on nick van exel
Had Wilt been able to steal one more chip he would’ve been seen even more highly I believe. It’s a shame cause he was still dominate at a mid 30’s age. I still believe he should’ve came back for 73-74.
Jerry West as well.
You are absolutely correct. If you remember correctly he signed as player coach with San Diego of the ABA. NBA wrongly was able to shut that down. Total bullshit. He goes to the ABA that league may have maintained longer. WIlt got fucked.
The 20s looks quite similar to the 70s with the Warriors dynasty ending cuz of injuries and KD leaving, also 5 different teams have rings this decade so it could be another dynasty less era like the 70s
I personally think it'd be good, but to paraphrase the late Commissioner Stern, the NBA would rather the Finals be Lakers vs Lakers. Their entire marketing model is to hope/pray/rig for media darlings to make deep runs, and league interest is usually at its highest when their marquee teams or stars play deep into June.
Go by the picture alone where you have three top 10 players of all time competing in the same era against one another.
Leaving the Spurs out of the 00s at the beginning was uncool man 😡
He also left out the Celtics in the 80s
The end of the title cut off for me but i guessed it was gonna be 70s anyway 😏
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I can’t explain why there were no dynasties in the 1970s - although the Celtics, Knicks, Lakers, Bullets, Suns, and Bucks all have done it. The Sonics’ doesn’t nasty would have crossed over into the 1980s if it had existed.
The bigger question is why the 1970s are so disrespected and overlooked.
The 1970s have been overlooked because they were the first decade in which multiple players were busted for drug use. It was so prominent.
From 1975 to 1986 (when Len Bias died), drug use was a normal aspect of NBA life. Even a lot of well-liked, media friendly players dabbled in drug use.
The NBA doesn’t want to be associated with this and has undertaken great efforts to make people forget it.
That’s why prominent players from that era don’t receive the respect that they deserve.
Even players like Julius Irving, John Havlicek, Bob McAdoo, Pete Maravich, and Jamaal Wilkes get overlooked or disrespected in all-time player rankings because of it.
Ridding the NBA of its drug epidemic, polishing its image, and growing its revenue to unbelievable levels are the late David Stern’s greatest accomplishment.
I disagreed with some of the things he did, but he’s easily the greatest sports commissioner ever.
MLB had its steroid era, and the NBA had its recreational drug era.
No dynasties in the 70s is pretty simple. In 1966 when the celtics had won 8 in a row there was only 10 teams. 1967 12 teams, 1969 14 teams, 1970 17 teams to 1980 23 teams. More teams means more travel plane rides bus rides. better players being distributed around the league more evenly.
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The 70s despite having the highest parity in the history of the NBA, it was probably one of the least popular and least watch decade of its 75 year history. Tape delays, drug addiction, fighting and lack of storylines and rivalry has scared the image of the NBA which forces David Stern to clean up all the problems and helps usher in a super star driven league to attract more locals.
Perhaps the 2020s could be the 1970s of true parity minus all the B.S. going around.
For me, one of the reasons there was not a dynasty in the '70s is because Kareem is not a winner and a leader to turn a team into a dynasty. In the '80s Magic did that for the Lakers
There was lack of quality in the league in the 70s with alot of quality being in ABA
We're in a parity era right now.