Making the Case - 1971 Bucks
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2021
- There are eight teams since 1970 that I think you can make the argument for as being the greatest NBA team of all time. The 1970-1971 Milwaukee Bucks are one of them.
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Duncan Robinson really dropped 19 points and a youtube video in 24 hours what a GOAT
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With collaboration with Gus Johnson, famous sports announcer.
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Im making the case for Clayton Crowley as the greatest Basketball-CZcamsr of all time.
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Good call -- to make the case, just watch his videos. Case closed!
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Bro that’s exactly what I thought to myself when I saw this video
Kareem Started his career in 1969 but the NBA started to record Blocks in 1973. Despite 5 Seasons of his blocks not recorded he still ranked 3rd in Blocks All time.
*4 seasons. They started keeping track of his blocks in his 5 season. Also, Bill Russell and Wilt didn't have their blocks recorded their entire careers. If so, Kareem would still remain 3rd, lol.
@@WestSide1207 Perhaps - Nate Thurmond ALSO lost a ton of blocks in his prime to the "no records kept" issue.
He MIGHT sneak in as high as 3'd, dropping Kareem to 4'th and (H)akeem to 5'th.
From kept records wilt was averaging 8.8 during the tail end of his career if we say prime him was averaging 11-12 his career average might been every close to 30/20/10 and there would be no goat debate
@@universalplayz7496 Not from kept records - as the records WERE NOT KEPT at the time.
The 8.8 figure was compiled by a retired NBA statistician from a SAMPLE of available videos covering appx. 140 total games throughout Wilt's career (and somewhat biased towards the last half of his career).
He does seem to have used every game he could find a complete video for the WHOLE game of.
I'm going to state without question that the 8.8 figure is probably highly accurate, with an occasional "miss count" due to poor camera angle on some plays, for the available games that those videos were from.
However, we DO NOT KNOW what the real figures were as the stat WAS NOT KEPT 'til after Wilt left the NBA following the 1973 Finals.
I'd like to see what the REAL figures would have been, had they been tracked at least starting in 1955, for Wilt and Bill Russell and Nate Thurmond (who lost about HALF of his seasons and MOST of his prime) and Kareem's missing 4 seasons.
I *suspect* the real list would be Wilt, fairly closely followed by Bill, then Nate, THEN Kareem, THEN Hakkem, for the Top 5 blockers of all time.
For "blocks per game, career", I suspect the top 5 SHOULD be Wilt, Bill, Nate, Mark Eaton (the current "official" #1), Manute Bol (current #2), then Hakeem (current #3) in *6th*.
That’s crazy 🤯
“But” with the Lowry’s image was gold 😂😂😂
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After 5 decades, the Bucks finally won another ring
Gus Johnsons appearance got me 😂😂
this is easily the most compelling case for this team i’ve ever seen
@Harry Engel I usually overlook the era a particular team plays in, and considering these Bucks, the decade they played in (which turned out to have the most parity of any NBA decade in terms of champions; I do think the Washington Bullets were the decade's most consistent winner, but it's too bad the franchise hasn't been heard from much from since) was just getting started. Also, they were an expansion team that did face other strong contenders such as the Knicks (already champions) and Lakers (future prolific winners & champions).
Smaller league, pretty topsy-turvy era, but they really track for me. A young Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? Wow, and Oscar Robertson still had game left (the final piece for them?). Excellent supporting cast supported by great numbers and a long regular-season-winning streak and decisive playoff run; I definitely like what they did (they were no fluke either, as they ran up to 1974 and that season's finals).
@Harry Engel Oh sure, it's a factor some think about, which is totally understandable. But like you said, the time & place was out of their control, and that team took care of business. The fact that the Bucks held together as a contender until the late 1980s is something I give that franchise credit for as well. They've come back alive again in recent seasons, which I also think is nice.
@Harry Engel Due to the Bucks recent revival, I've thought a lot about this franchise lately. Yeah, that 1980s Bucks team was the real deal, it's just that if they could beat the Sixers in the playoffs, the Celtics would beat them, and vice versa. They were right there though, with three Conference Finals in the decade & 7 consecutive Central Division titles (I normally don't place too much stock in division titles for either the NBA or NHL, but I find that streak impressive). Paul Pressy at point forward, Don Nelson running the show, and a team regarded as smart and competitive. Marques Johnson, Bob Lanier (with something left to contribute), and hey, I think their logo is cute (yeah, I said that:-)!
the 1997 heat were INACCURATELY called the road warriors because they went 1-7 in the playoffs
okay two teams that would have a COMPLETELY accurate title of the road warriors are the 1971 bucks and 1980 lakers led by kareem abdul-jabbar
Bob Dandridge got in the Hall of Fame today. Clearly, they heard Clayton's call to include him and responded accordingly.
Good to see. Bobby should've been in years ago. Had he played in media Meccas like Bill Bradley (NY) and Jamaal Wilkes (L.A.) I have no doubt he would've.
Dandridge was substantially better than either.
Bobby Dandridge aka the greyhound :D
@@sandycastles7105 there's 3 greyhounds lol
In the end, this team made Milwaukee a basketball-mad city to the present day. In many ways the whole franchise has lived in this team's shadow for 50 years. Hopefully the present-day Bucks can finally bring a championship back to the Mil. Excellent video and killer analysis of a team that was almost too great...
What was he cooking?
Oh yeah! I was 13 in 1971 and caught Bucks fever. Glad to see Dandridge getting some love, and great footage of early Kareem. Kareem had to tone it down later in his career to conserve energy, but he could operate in the open court with the best of 'em when he was younger. And Oscar just imposed his will on the opposition.
DAMN YOURE 63 now? wtf hows life and what do you think about todays era
Holy shit! Lol
I'm 69 years. I have gone back and forth on which was the greatest team ever never considering the 71 Bucks. You made a very good case for them. Thanks
How does it feel to be 69
@@RandomCZcamsCommenter69420 I assume it's pretty NICE
@@noahsmith170 Yeah retirement and shit
@@noahsmith170they only won one chip, Wilt and the Lakers imposed their will the next year
@@aarondigby5054there was so many top 20 players of all time in those '70s and '80s It was hard to repeat. Do you notice the drop off in the '90s allowing the three peat
Maybe the most interesting angle you’ve proposed so far. You don’t think of greatness being forgettable but when it becomes the norm, you’ve forgotten how great they had to be to get there. Keep up the awesome videos
And I can’t help it. Kareem’s Afro and sideburns look is the best Kareem look 😊
One of my exes father was from rural Milwaukee, over a conversation, I said I thought MJ was the GOAT, he was so adamant upon Kareem being the GOAT, he kicked me out his house temporarily, that’s how much Kareem meant to *that* Milwaukee fan.
He has a good case - on career points alone a case can be made. I love MJ. I miss MJ. But I HATE the GOAT debate. There were just too many superlative players in basketball history to make a case only for one.. A case can be made for Oscar Robertson - he is nearly never mentioned in the GOAT debate.
@lisaa8795 the '71 bucks should thank the bullets for upsetting the reigning champion knicks.
@@aarondigby5054 1970s saw ten different teams reach the Finals and eight different teams win a championship, the most of any decade in the NBA,
Easily the most competitive decade. Where when you move to the '80s you get the three super teams three of the best of all time the dominated then
Haven't even gotten past the first ad and I'm already throwing this a like. We all know this is gonna be a top notch vid.
He don't miss
@@alecryan7559 as snoop said ' that mothafucka don't miss'
and you were right
Clayton if you see this please be more consistent 🙏
yea same when i see uploads from people like clayton crowley i like the video instantly to support coz i know it’ll be good
Oscar Robertson is hands down one of the most fundamentally complete players of basketball ever.
Not going to disagree but I'd also say Pistol Pete is on par...
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100% the Pistol may be the best ball handler oat.
That's awesome, nicely done with the Gus Johnson cameo, Crowley. It's just the beginning.
Why does this say 4 days ago, this video came out less than 20 minutes ago?
@@jalenmarshall9992 Patreon, good sir.
@@PaulMaree ohh
That is marques Johnson .no Gus .buddy
I was lucky to get to see the great teams of the late 60's and early 70's
The 70-71 Bucks were the most frightening team I've seen
The 82-83 Sixers were probably the second most frightening
Thanks for making this Bucks fan happy. Granted my dad was 7 years old when this team won, I'm so happy this team has a place in history.
My dad was born in '71 and he grew up hearing about this team... But the Bucks have been bad to mediocre most of my life until these past few years, it's cool to have a video paint a picture of the team that brought the banners and flags I see at their games and in people's basements.
Mine was born the month after they won.
I was surprised to see this as a team in the series
Me too
Idk why they were 66-16 and were really dominant
@@elbowgang9715 because the 70s was the weakest era in the NBA
"and was arguably the best player on the 1978 Baltimore Bullets"
*Wes Unseld has entered the chat*
Elvin Hayes too
Arguable*
Ask Dandridge. He played for both teams.
@Tong Zou agree. I think Dandridge wins the versatility aspect though. Wes and Elvin don't win (the title) without him.
Wes unsel & elvin Hayes & Washington bullet beat Willis reed and ny Knicks playoff series battles
Completely agree about Dandridge - a scandal he's not in the Hall. A clutch performer on both ends of the court. He practically owned Dr. J. in the playoffs when with the Bullets. Waaay underrated.
Shut down prime dr.j had to believe: dr.j had unstoppable driving move to the basket : great banking jump shot : etc etc
@@lloydkline1518 You're right that "shut down" is way too strong, but Dandridge always played him well. For example, in the 1978 ECF (6 games), he outscored the Doctor 22.8 on 50.8% vs. 21.5 on 47.3%. I was present for the home games and Bobby was better in the clutch. The Bullets won the ring that year and Bobby D was the MVP imo, though Unseld won the award.
@@jaybee5269 jamaal wilke of l.a. lakers gave dr.j trouble : hear dave debusschere gave dr.j trouble too exbition game
What hurts their case is the fact that they were sandwiched between the 1970 New York Knicks and the 1972 Lakers, each legendary in their own right.
Great video, but I must be in the minority in regards to Kareem. I think the skyhook is poetry in motion.
I think most of us here agree. Only I think Claytons point is that it's not flashy. It doesn't really appeal to the general public who are not especially knowledgeable about basketball. We see see and understand how special it is after seeing generations of players who are not able to pull the skyhook off in the beautiful, and most importantly effective and efficient way that Kareem could.
Only god could stop the skyhook of prime kareem 1970s
Underrated team , thanks for your insight to add it.
As the always, another Dopeness Release from Double C!
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‘71 Kareem belongs in the convo for GOAT MVP season too. Just absolutely dominant.
The fact that that Gus Johnson happens to be from Wisconsin makes the joke even better.
Gus was an Akron Ohio native!🤔
@@josephphoenix1376 Maybe a relative of Lebron?
The thing about the coach not needing to be great to get a good result from that much talent....makes me think of Chuck Daly and the ‘92 Dream Team. Those guys had massive egos, and they were beatable. He was a great coach for showing them that in order to make them come together, play as a team, and kick ass.
Yeah I feel like coaching in basketball has been underrated over the past few years. Like when Larry brown and the pistons beat the Lakers in 2004. That team with Larry’s coaching was amazing and they took the spurs to 7 in the finals next year. Or how the Knicks are doing better this year because they got an decent coach in Thibs.
The Bucks have won the 2021 NBA Finals marking 50 years since their first win ! 🦌🏆!
I guess the 1970-71 Bucks could be known as a pro's pro kind of team.
Thanks for this breakdown. Perhaps the next step would be to analyze the 1972 WCF between the Lakers and Bucks. Los Angeles beat Milwaukee in 6 games en route to a title, but statistics (be it advanced or otherwise) suggest that this may have been the greatest series of all time in terms of matching two historically elite-level teams
People see the end result being a series win in 6 for the Lakers and see it as not very competitive. But the difference between the Lakers winning it in 6 and the Bucks winning it in 6 was a mere four points, the combined margin of games 2 and 3, both won by the Lakers. The Bucks actually outscored the Lakers overall in the series 636 to 622. To me, those two teams were a dead even match, which reflects favorably on the '71 Bucks since they were almost but not quite as good statistically or record-wise in '72 yet they still gave the '72 Lakers all they could handle that year. I believe they were also the team that snapped the Lakers' 33-game winning streak. The '72 Bucks were still one of the better teams statistically in NBA history if you go by point differentials. While the '71 Bucks were #2 all time in point differential at 12.26 (just behind the '72 Lakers at 12.28 and just ahead of the '96 Bulls at 12.24), the '72 Bucks were #5 in point differential at 11.16, which gives them the distinction of the only team in the top 6 that didn't win a title.
@@madcapper6 It was more that of the Top 3 scorers for the Lakers in 1972, *ALL THREE OF THEM* had bad to HORRIBLE shooting nights vs the Bucks when the 33 win streak was broken.
Jim McMillan (the top Lakers scorer that season, by a HAIR over West) shot *.368* (.482 average that season)
West shot *.313* (.477 average that season)
Gail Goodrich shot *.250* (.487 average that season).
*17 of 55* from the field, for a trio that USUALLY shot a LOT better than that.
The Bucks didn't snap the streak, the Lakers just had a HORRIBLE shooting night for ALL THREE of their main shooters and GAVE the game away - had those three shot their season AVERAGE, the game comes out as about a 2 point Laker WIN.
I watched to Bucks as a kid in Milwaukee. The team brought the town to life.
I had a coach who played with Jerry west wilt chamberlain Rick Barry and Oscar Robertson and told me that Oscar Robertson was the most automatic scorer he had ever seen
I found this channel 3 days ago. I alreafy declare Clayton as the greatest NBA CZcamsr of all time. I really truely mean that. I'm a sports enthusiast that's 21 years old and I know about all these great teams. I love the NBA a lot. However, there's bit a better storyteller about NBA history than Clayton. It makes these videos 100% addicting to watch. Great research, knowledge and dedication to the creation of the vids. Just amazing💪🔥❤
Cant wait for the 2017 warriors Clayton. Keep up the grind for us ma guy.
Wait, so basically, the 1971 bucks were the 2017 warriors before 2017 warriors, right? Like they were so dominant that it made the game and the NBA boring. The only difference is the warriors used curry while the bucks used Kareem as the main shooter.
OMG you actually put the Bucks on this list. I wasnt alive to see this team but as a Bucks fan I hear how good this team was
tks for this Clayton.. brings back great memories of my grandpa lighting up talking about the big O at crispus attucks high school in indy in
the greatest kid he ever seen play
You know, I’ve noticed something, when a guard like Oscar, Jordan, and Kobe have conflicts with teammates, they “are just doing whatever it takes to win” or “they have a killer instinct”. But when Wilt Chamberlain did it he was “toxic” “soft” and “didn’t care about winning.” It’s just stupid
I've always thought this team (and Oscar Robertson) were super underrated
That puts Kareem on 2 squads on Claytons all time team list. Hmm, perhaps this is his dude.
KAJ was so good it wasn't fun for anyone to watch him or play against him LMAO
I loved that refreshing idea of what dominance is, I almost forgot myself, loved the way you put it
I made a tier list on my channel for the greatest teams of all time and let me tell you this team is HEAVILY UNDERRATED. Lucius Allen and Kareem playing together in college helped big time and Lucius is sooo underrated
You dropped some literal gems in this one my guy.
Being a small market team probably hurts the Bucks too in this discussion. You don't have the huge home-town crowds and mass-market media outlets trumpeting their claim the way the showtime Lakers or Jordan's Bulls did.
5:00 Kareem has the cadence and word choice of a 1960’s advertisement for a cleaning sponge
We need a series called “Making the case for the greatest peak of all time”
He is back🔥
Great Video as always 💯
Much love from Germany🇩🇪✌🏻
Awesome video my man. Didn’t know anything ab this team, now it’s one of my favs.
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Nice presentation, thanks! what a team it was!
i check your channel every day for more of these, some of my favorite stuff to watch on the site, and this one is no exception. Great Job!
also kudos to the Gus Johnson meme haha
This dude is one of my favorite youtubers for sure. Keep it going like this bro!
Amazing as always
Clayton is the dude who just makes my day better with his uploads, like you already know the video will be so well put together. So good man!
These are the videos I always look forward to
YEAH BABYYYY THATS WHAT WEVE BEEN WAITING FOR
I really hope Eddie Doucette got a patent for the naming of Kareem's hook shot the Sky Hook . The early 1970's was a great time for Bucks fans in Milwaukee, I was about to leave junior high school for high school when Milwaukee beat Earl the pearl Monroe and Wes Unseld led Baltimore Bullets' four straight games for the 1971 NBA title. Those were the days my friend.
The videos you put out are seriously some of the most high quality content on youtube
A testament to your talent and dedication is that I leave each video thoroughly convinced. Thank you for these beautifully crafted videos.
EXCELLENT VIDEO!
I found it while searching more about that 71 Bucks team, specially because they have a chance of winning it all again this time. And also because I found out the 1971 Finals were the last time no player from both teams had previous NBA titles. This is about to happen again if the Clippers are eliminated.
I just found this series. This is great content my guy
Your monologues are always awesome.
This series, both for players and teams are some of the best sports documentaries that I've ever seen.... And I've seen far more than my far share. Excellent talent bro.
I literally visit your channel as often as possible to watch your latest upload. I am an editorial writer and you keep on inspiring me, the quality of your content was dope.
Your vids are so professional and well done. Better than the others
Greg Smith was an important role player when he got traded to the Rockets, it hurt the chemistry.
Okay I'm convinced. Amazing video as always.
Definitely one of the TOP 5 greatest NBA teams of all time! Their style of play pre-dated the heralded Popovich-era Spurs that won 5 titles within a 15-year span and featured HOF-worthy talents such as David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, and Kawhi Leonard. SUPER fundamentally-sound to the point where they were often seen as "boring" to casual fans and mainstream media "pundits", but it was such beautiful basketball to watch back then. So glad to see Bob Dandridge from that 1970-71 team finally make the HOF this year. He should've been in a long time ago. Elite-level 2-way wing player who did nothing but WIN everywhere he went.
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Personally I wouldn't call the skyhook boring because that is my opinion however I will make an analogy that might make more sense as to what the skyhook is. Dr J and MJ's dunking/ layup shots is like hip hop music. It is swaggy, cool, and suave. However, Kareem's skyhook is like Mozart or Bach. It is elegant, beautiful, and pretty. Most people find classical music boring because of how it lacks "hype" or swag elements like Rap music. However, classical music fans appreciate it for its complexity and the way it is able to finesse listeners. In conclusion, the skyhook and classical music are acquired tastes. They appear boring to the masses but they are like fine aged wine. Dr J and MJ's style of play is for the masses, its brash, cocky, and rebellious. Honestly Clayton I would love to see you do a video highlights of Kareem's skyhook but just have Bach or Mozart playing in the background.
So underrated. You’re running laps as the best basketball CZcamsr at this point. I have not been disappointed with one of these yet.
Thank you, thank you Clayton! Very good case for the 1971 Bucks to be the best of all time.
Nice work , young man!!
This was one of the most well made videos I've ever seen
Never a dull game with Sportscaster 'Eddie Doucette.' :D
WOW. I love this!. So interesting.
Structure - A+
Information - A++
Video editing - A+
Narration - A+++++++++
Great video!!! I wonder which team is next?
You do a great job with these.
Gus Johnson was underrated man. So inspirational
making the case and greatest peaks are my favorite nba youtube content
Who is the best youtuber when it comes to basketball and why is it Clayton Crowley?? You’re as magical as your namesake friend. Keep up the awesome work!
cool to learn about something i dont really know much about! thank you bro
Awesome. IMO, the 1971 Bucks are the most underrated great team in NBA history. Still waiting, however, on Making The Case- 1967 76ers. In 1980, the NBA named the 1967 76ers as the greatest team of all-time. They were followed by the 1972 Lakers and the 1970 Knicks. The 1967 76ers were 46-4 in their first 50 games, which remains an NBA record, and they ended the regular season with a then record 68 wins.
After hearing you talk about monotonous winning in this episode, I cant believe the Spurs aren't in this series!
LOVE THIS SERIES
Bro... I have to say that it pisses me off you have such little views!
Your videos are simply amazing!
Keep up the great work and content
literally the best basketball content around
Watched this video like a dozen times and only now have I seen 7:58. Clayton is the G.O.A.T.
Having watched a bit of Oscar Robinson the fact he played like he did with the rules he played under is always pretty impressive to me. To play that kinetically with how foul happy the refs were I think contextually is as impressive as anything in Basketball history and only makes sense if you actually watch some games and realize what specificity ou had to be with your play not to get a whistle and he still played with such athleticism with that precision is just so cool to me.
Also how consistent he was backing down defenders considering the limiting dribble nd carry rules.
First time viewer here. Very well made video keep up the good work man.
No debate, no conversation...great argument for greatness.
This was a top notch video for a team that is almost completely outside the scope of GOAT consideration for NBA fandom.
Your channel is dope as hell man
So Nice .very well yo saw marques Johnson .the first point foward in the NBA history. Well deserve tribute .
This was dope!
When the warriors were dominating the league with KD I was 100 percent convinced they were best team ever. Today I’m more at like 70 percent. I’m still convinced BUT there have been some great teams that deserve consideration. Well done with this series 👏