Which Current NHL Players Are Already Hall of Fame Worthy? 2021 Edition
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I think the Conn Smythe should be added to the hardware list. Playoff MVP is a pretty solid award.
Justin Williams
@@KevinJL I think it's like Shannon said there should be different wings of the hall that you can get nominated into. One wing could be "Playoff Hero's" and if that were the case Justin Williams would be there.
Quick
Phil Kessel should've had the Conn Smythe Trophy during the HBK Line run. He wasn't just the leading scorer but dominant. That would substantially boost his chance.
@@KevinJL I'm the biggest Jdub fan been my man crush for years, but that Conn Smythe should have went to Kopitar just like when Hall won the Hart over him. Canadian bias is real.
Ovi and Crosby being 6 points apart is so fitting. Both such great players. Hall of famers for sure
And Crosby has 164 less games
@@mjtt12 it’s beyond me how crosby did not win 2013 mvp
@@osioshio9150 was it St Louis that took it that year? I don't remember.
@@mjtt12 knew someone had to bring this up! Crosby better cause he’s center men and he’s better but not because he’s played 164 less games because of injury! Injury is on the player. Ovi more fun to watch, best goal scorer but Crosby is the better overall player but stop with the “164 less games too” BS. That’s Crosby’s problem and is actually a knock against him. Also can add Ovi missed 82 games due to lockout and would likely be 60-80 points further ahead but did you subtract that from the 124 less games?
Even more impressive is the healthy to not healthy ratio . Being healthy for more is far beyond more impressive than PPG . Any coach ever will agree.
I think we're all thinking of the one and only Loui Eriksson.
He is going in with Milan Lucic
#1ballot
Dion Phaneuf.
John Scott
I raise you with Jack Johnsson
Quick Doesn't have a Vezina, but he does have a Conn Smythe and two William Jennings trophies.
One could argue that is also one of the most impressive conn smythes of all time as well
And two Cups, kinda big deal
@@dalesousa1447 absolutely. I hate the Kings but he was a WALL during those playoffs.
@@dalesousa1447 r I'm a
No doubt he was the best goalie in the league when he was at his best!
Even though he's not playing right now due to heart health concerns, King Henrik is a definite lock.
I would like if he could get a ring next year maybe in Colorado as a 3 goalie
idk man, we cant mistake respect and appreciation for glory.
If its between him and a guy who has won a cup, you have to pick the guy who has actually won a cup.
If Lundqvist goes in it’s harder to argue against other fringe guys like pekka rinne not to go in as well
@@StonedSpagooter I know but I wasn’t around when Ray Bourque won the cup in his career finale so it would be like that kinda
@@lukeboardman6109 You hate to say this but I wish every player could experience a Cup win but that isn’t always true But I could see Rinne or Lundvquist winning a cup or even our guy EJ I just see Lundvquist playing in a cup final game before he retires
I am by no means a Bruins fan, or a fan of any team that he has played for, but there is no question in my mind, that Chara is deservedly Going into the hall. First ballot.
Chara, Bergie, and don't forget the 🐀
@@outlawgordee I don't understand all the Bergeron Hall of Fame talk. How does he get in but a guy like Patrik Elias doesn't?
@@drewfobbe7851 Being a Canadian helps a lot...
@@drewfobbe7851 Tied for most Selke trophies of all time, the best defensive center of the 2000s, cup win, when all said and done he'll likely have 1000 points and 400 goals. Elias will have similar numbers, 0 individual accolades with a couple cups... I don't see how one could think he's more deserving than Bergeron.
@@KyleMacSkill dont forget Bergeron is in the triple crown club. Which if you dont know what that is its wjc gold, olympic gold, hes got world cup of hockey, stanley cup, most selkes all time and toews&kopitar robbed him. To me hes the easiest player on the list outside the top 3 to say hof to
Leon pushes the hockey in Germany big. We are very proud of him 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
As someone from a country with no NHL players I always root for Swiss and German players
I remember going to see a Bayern Munich game over Christmas in 2014 and talking to a couple of people from Frankfurt who were hyped about Draisaitl even then. As a Sens fan, I hope Stützle can be similarly inspiring.
And we’re proud to have him! Draisaitl, Stützle will be dynamic in 2026. Then you also have Reichel and Seider
"Fans are the winners" a true gent.
If Kovalchuck doesn't leave the NHL, I think he's in this video.
Kovalsuck is a fraud.
@@larsjoehnk8457 k buddy
If Kovalchuk stayed in the nhl he’d have 600+ goals and would undoubtedly be a HOFer
If he stayed with NJ, he would surely be Hall of Famer
He’s nearly a point per game player and was a consistent 40+ goal scorer during his time with Atlanta. Although Ilya had a very respectable career I don’t think it’s enough to reserve him a spot in the HOF. He’s just shy of 1000 games with a +/- in the negative hundreds, only 40 career playoff games, and a just one individual award for most goals by a rookie (Rocket Richard). I’m afraid kovalchuk doesn’t have the accolades to be considered equal to other HOF candidates. I think if he would’ve stayed in the NHL and shot for 1000 games he’d have a much higher chance of making it in.
Giroux is one of those players where I think a cup ring might be what decides him making the hall or not. His numbers as they are now are closer to the HOF locks of his time (Kane, Toews, Backstrom, etc) than most people realize, and there's a strong argument that he should have won the Hart for his 2017-18 performance.
But between the Flyers management refusing to rebuild around him in his prime in the early 2010s, and his biggest comparison point being Crosby on the other side of the Battle of PA, his actual talent level vs the perception of it doesn't line up as well as it should.
Agreed. I think Giroux is a great player and is close to a HOF entry. Hope he makes it. And FWIW I’m a Pens fan boi but, I try not to let that blind me to talent. I really enjoy watching people play the game well.
@Kris Bishop he did make a cup final though do you mean if he makes another?
He need 1,000 points too
I’m watching this as Jason Spezza moves into the top 100 all time point scoring
You have to remember it is hockey hall of fame not nhl hall of fame. I think if someone has 2 or 3 medals from the Olympic s they will get in.
I agree. People saying Kovalchuk won't make it but he played alot in KHL so I think he still should because it's the hockey Hall of Fame not nhl
True. The HOF is a hockey hall of fame and should not just be NHL players. This would also add some more players to the list and players like Marleau would be locks for sure. One thought is do you think about how many times the player played internationally. So if someone played on Team Canada 6+ times but never won cup or heart does that make up for the lack of NHL awards? I think it does but that’s just me
Triple Gold Club is important too
Baseball HOF doesn't use those criteria. Personally, if you didn't play in that sports best league in the world, is what you did HOF worthy?
@@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 I don't see what baseball has to do with this. Players like Tretiak are in the hockey HOF. By your criteria he wouldn't be admitted.
Crosby malkin and ovi backstrom have been the best two headed monsters for a team the past decade plus
There is some terrifying alternate universe when they somehow ended up on the same team and destroyed the league.
@@windwalker5765 in 2002, Pittsburgh trades their 5th overall pick for Washingtons 2004 1st Rounder and 2005 1st Rounder, in what appears to be a giant gamble. Washington takes stud Ryan Whitney, and in 2004 Pittsburgh takes Ovi and Malkin at 1&2. Gamble paid off. But wait, theyre not done, they say hey washington were sorry we fucked you, you can have your first rounder next year in a stacked draft but we want your first in 06. In 06 at 4th overall, they take Backstrom. Giving pittsburgh
Ovi - Crosby - Somebum
SomebumJr - Backstrom - Malkin
8 straight cups confirmed.
Fleury was the starter in. 09 cup win and split time in playoffs and crucial in the cup win in 17. he deserves the respect of having won at least one cup as the true starter
Yeah I know that.
@@TheHockeyGuy it sounds like you know that.
@@bone_krusher5474 he knows that
@@hunterbramlage6044 pretty sure he knows that
Backstrom gets underrated so often that people forget he is top of his draft class in production, above Kessel or Toews. He's also defensively better than Toews.
Panarin and Scheifele might make it into the conversation one day in the future, if they have long careers.
agreed
Yup
Panarin would need a super long career since he started his a full 5 years after most star players make the NHL. At 24 he basically started in the NHL at the year that's typically the highest scoring for forwards, the prime of their career. I don't think he makes it.
@@jasondashney Good points, we'll just have to wait and see.
@Jeepman89 Depends on how long he plays.
With so many more teams now, winning a cup is statistically less likely and should not be a guarantee/deal breaker for HOF inclusion. Some very good players never won a cup or even had the chance. For example Lundqvist, Luongo and Miller. No cups. Kevin Hodson, Glenn Healy and Antti Niemi have cups. Who's more hall worthy? Maybe in the future even the president's trophy will be considered amongst the criteria. I think the process should be more transparent. If Quick and Miller get a look where is Tom Barrasso and Mike Vernon? And the perpetual debate over Chris Osgood.
Not a Boston guy but berggy deserves Hal of fame one of the best two way centers
facts john samora
Great video idea! I think about this to myself all the time.
And great subject to get people talking. One of the best debates every year.
SHANNON is HHOF worthy; hands down!! :-)
Shannon is a first ballot HOF lock
Ryan Miller was a top notch dominate goalie for numerous years......that pushes him to a possible HOF
I was just thinking about him being on this list
HHOF takes international play into account too. No idea how he isn't instantly considered for the hall off the Vancouver Olympics run. Single handedly gave the US a chance against our stacked Canadian roster
Great video, I can watch these types of video for days without pause. I agree with about every single argument.
Feel like you should do a current nhl coach hall of fame video next. Really liked this video!
Ovechkin and Crosby will likely get their 3 year waiting period waived just like Lemieux and Gretzky did because these are the two greatest players of this generation and they should be honored by having that 3 year waiting period waived, which I believe Bettman and the league will do as they did with Lemieux and Gretzky, and the same goes for McDavid when he is done he should get those 3 years waiting period waived as well
As an old Pittsburgh fan, I don't think Crosby gets the same benefit Lemieux did. He's incredible, a great player, but he's not Super Mario, not at all - he's not the sort of person who could have gotten in the Hall in three or four different ways.
But if he didn't get in in his first year of eligibility, that's an absolute fucking robbery.
Bettman has nothing to do with it. It's the Hockey Hall of Fame, not the NHL hall of fame.
@@TheShinyFeraligatr what do you mean he is not? He has won everything multiple times including rocket Richards, mvps, points, conn smythes, Stanley cups, World Cup mvp, world cup, gold medal, and even the golden goal. 17 straight seasons over a ppg second to Gretzky which is above lemuix. Crosby would have won so much more to if we wasn’t hurt all the time. All while doing this in an era that is much more skilled and harder to score. Both him and ovi do
Crosby must wait 3 years. Snubbing the 2009 handshake line was classless.
Two honorable mentions of players I deeply appreciate: Letang and Hornqvist (I think his value for the 2 Cups and being the last player drafted raises his stock immensely imo but realisitically probably won't make it)
Another honorable mention who probably won't make it but deserves consideration at least: Joe Pavelski.
Players like Hornqvist never get the consideration they deserve but Letang is probably a borderline HoF candidate with pretty low odds of making it. Malkin and Crosby are locked in, Fleury who was also part of the core is a shoe in and that's all I can remember from that core of players who I think are definitely hall of famers. So many players more deserving than Horny and Letang aren't in, sadly.
@@adamg7984 If Hörnqvist won a cup with another team and was a key reason, and/or won a gold in 2022, that could raise his chances.
Right now I agree he's just not there. He's a good player, maybe a very good player, but not a dominant one and there are many players out there who can make a better argument for being at least a tangentially dominant player.
I love hornqvist. Never should have been traded out of pittsburgh, but i dont see him making HOF sadly
I think the Art Ross is very telling, if you look at the winners every one of them who is eligible is in the hall of fame. Great Video!
Very balanced commentary good job!!!
Its always fun to imagine where stamkos would be for all time points if he didn't get hurt. One of the greatest purest goal scorers
Marleau also has an Iron Man streak going at 850 games.
It's crazy how I can agree with every single decision/argument Shannon has in this video.
Getzlaf was great in 13/14, 14/15 led them to the WCF, 16/17 great playoff run also. Was top two or three in the NHL in primary assists all those years, led the Ducks to lots of division titles. 120 points in 125 playoff games, hes been dominant
Yeah, for a brief period Getzlaf was arguably the second best forward in the league behind Crosby.
Agreed, felt like he sorta got overlooked here. Such an underrated player
Getzlaf is probably the greatest player from the 03 Draft Class, enough said
@Derben Leyla I’d buy the Fleury and Bergeron argument but I can’t see him lower than top 3 from that class. And all 4 of them (Getzy, Bergeron, Fleury and Weber) are some of my favorites
He close to 1,000
If BrindAmour coaches Carolina to a cup I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t get in then
as a player or coach?
Shannon is the the very best analyst Period! So grateful to Shannon for teaching me about hockey And he has great sense of humor. Yvonne is also awesomely. Many many thanks to this special couple.
If this is John Shannon, I heard he was a miserable person to work for. A bit of a mysogonist and just an overall pr to work for.
@@rcl1955ca - this is Shannon- not John Shannon. Two different people
@@andrewpoole160 okay thanks for the clarification.
Nice to see G even get a consideration in this video. Go Flyers.
Perfect opportunity to use all the little team goal magnets for these players indicating their current team. Would have been fun to see all those magnets.
I would have loved to see you take into account Olympic golds/international play. I think it pushes a few guys into the serious conversation (why I think Getzlaf is highly likely to get in with his contributions to Team Canada)
Love the kings jersey!
Great video! New to the channel deff earned my subscription....
I will say I do think Tuukka makes it though. He has a vezna, yes he’s lost in 2 cups.... but his raw stats are incredible, 4th in save % and 10th in GAA all time are pretty hard to ignore. Just my opinion though!
Great list of great players!
Could you do it also for builders or referees?
Fleury was the starter in 2009 and in 2017, fleury played in every round besides the the finals 🐧
How does Letang not even get a mention? 3 cups, 6 all-star games, and and probably ends up with 700ish points as a Dman. Plus there was that whole stroke thing he came back from and probably wins the Conn Smythe in 2016 if he doesn't get suspended for a couple games.
For a defenseman to get into the hall of fame, they typically have to be good at defense. Maybe Letang will break that trend though, who knows?
@@beneaton6765 tell that to Paul Coffey.
@@beneaton6765 Letang has had times where he played great D, but like you said, he has problems with that. I still believe he is a HoF player. He was a top 2 Dman in 2016.
Might be a bit of a controversial one here, but I honestly think Braden Holtby deserves a spot in the HoF.
-Won the Vezina in 2015-16
-Won the Jennings in 2016-17
-Amazing playoff run in 17-18 leading to a cup
-Tied for the record for most wins in a season with 48
-.926 save and 2.13 gaa on his career in the playoffs
-.915 save and 2.58 gaa on his reg season career
The guy was an absolute workhorse for the caps and is a great playoff performer.
An Idea for the next time you do this, is to do coaches and GMs that make it in.
When will there be some "Not Too Shabby" merch? This needs to happen.
When will he ever say that something is too shabby? 🤔
“....and again....” would be a good one too
arright
I mean I know he’s not active and may never play in the NHL again, but Jagr deserves a mention like henrik...Datsyuk too
Jagr obviously but he's never gonna retire
@@kasztaniarz he'll be playing into his 80s no doubt
Jagr locked up his plaque 15 years ago.
I'm surprised you didn't write down cup wins in the mix as well. I know you talked about it but the visual is nice. I like the video though.
Great vid, but that yellow bill on that cap looks huge, kept thinking of Howard the Duck!
Dustin Brown
Awesome vid Shannon
not worthy at all, but maybe he could be on the warrior wing but besides that no way, doesn't have the resume.
Brown isn't close he never dominated the league enough to
Jeff Skinner
1st.Ballot.
Hasn't played a playoff game, which is pretty incredible.
@@mikekole which means he's never lost a playoff game. Can players be entered into the HoF before they retire?
@@csharp48 Good point! Certainly, Mike Huffman is already in the Sharks HoF.
Loui erickson
Great Vid Shannon
Lookin good in a Kings uniform baby love it Shannon!! I know it’s your least favorite team but Kings fans still love ya man!! Thank you for covering this sport we all love so much!
Your take on Marchand was perfect. If he keeps up his production for another 3 or 4 seasons hes in the hall. No about it. The 2011 cup run puts him over the top if his production continues.
I hate Brad Marchand, but Hockey guy's not wrong. Marchand's an ass on the ice, but if he doesn't put in the numbers..
As a former hockey high school hockey player in Minnesota you hate playing against a player like Marchand. If you have him as a teammate he’s the greatest teammate you can have. Ultimate pest and scrappy player I don’t think he’s a hall of famer but if he keeps it up for a few more years then there’s no doubt. I would have Marchand as a hall of famer.
Remember it's the hall of fame for hockey and not just the NHL so international hockey has to count.
Giroux is one of my favourite players ever so I really hope he makes it. But I’m kinda biased. I pretty much agreed with you on everything else
also holtbys career playoff numbers are among the best of all time, he ranks 8th in career playoff save percentage with a 926 and have the most games played among all player in the the top 10 (97 career playoff games). His playoff numbers along should give him heavy consideration
Crosby and Ovi would be awesome for them to go in together
I agree on Backstrom making it. Legendary centre iceman IMO.
Fleury was extremely solid in both of his finals cupless runs. And he was the starter for the '09 cup. But yeah, I agree he certainly gets in. That's getting to be a stronger and stronger lock as he goes on in Vegas. And depending who retires the same year, he should be a first ballot.
I'm excited to see how Cale Makar's career unfolds. The Avs have not had a D-man finish as high in Norris voting as Makar did in 2020 since Rob Blake in 2004. That's an exciting comparison.
Probably really stoked now my friend! This last year couldn’t have went better for Cale!
That run from 2012 to 2019 for Braden Hotlpy that has a cup ring in there and a vesina should give him some sort of consideration even though I think he misses just barley the hall
I agree he probably misses but I was surprised he wasn't on the bored with his wins and hardware
@@dylanzipperer7103 Holtby was only good from 2011-2017. That's not enough. It takes sustaining that for a dozen years to get considered. He's only 31 and already had his contract bought out. He's most certainly not making it into the HoF and unless he has a massive resurgence, won't even be considered. Mike Vernon is "just barely missed". Holtby is a tier below that.
@@jasondashney just said he should be on the board, not in the hall
Crosby is also missing some of the hardware and not ahead in points due to his considerable injury problems. Going by his points being 6 behind with significantly less games played, and considering he was injured the most in his absolute prime during 130+ point pace seasons, it makes sense Ovechkin has more hardware. He's played more full seasons by a lot. Going by PPG, points per game, Crosby has been better over his career. The Stanley Cup stuff is a deal sweetener but I think the Conn Smythe trophy should be a consideration for both Crosby and Ovechkin, as well as Malkin, Keith, Quick and any other players I forgot who won the Smythe and are on that list.
Listen, Crosby and Ovechkin are generational players, one is exceptional at goal scoring but the raw production of Crosby is just as important, maybe more so. I think it's fair to say Crosby is one step above Ovechkin but that takes away nothing from what Ovechkin is, the greatest goal scorer of all time, if not then of his generation by a mile. Era adjusted, he has to have the most absurd goal output ever.
Could you imagine an alternate dimension where the Caps draft Malkin #1 and Ovie falls to the Pens at #2 in 2004? Crosby and Ovie on the same line for their entire careers... Yikes... I feel that Malkin is the better all-around player and would bring this up when a large number of Caps fans seemed to think that it was Ovie's fault for them not getting pasted the Pens in 2016/17 and wanted him traded.
Completely agree hardware doesn't tell the story. Not to mention, I think Sid has 4 2nd place hart finishes. I believe those prime years of Sid 2010-13 would of all been hart trophy years. There was no one even close to him skill wise. Everybody that has watched there careers pan out knows Sid was just better when pens had those back to back runs against detroit. All respect to Ovi though, both of them grew the NHL so much.
Ion think he ever mentioned or said ovi was better than Crosby?
Crosby and Ovi are locks. They should be 1-2 doesn’t matter the order.
So IOvechkin should be punished because he's managed to stay healthy. They're both sure fire hall of famers.
Man I might sound crazy, but in a couple years i think we are gonna look back at this list and think, "why was Ryan O'Reilly not at least mentioned?" I'm not sure he gets in, but if he gets another cup ring I think he definitely deserves to be in this conversation. One of very few to win the selke and conn smythe in the same season.
Dustin Brown captained the Kings to 2 Stanley Cups and for that I definitely think he could get in someday. There's no way he's first ballot, but I could see him being one of those players who retires and then 30 years later he gets inducted.
If Kessel can play until like 38 and keeps up decent point scoring, I could see him getting in based on his popularity
We all know how much we all hate 91 on the island, but that dude can ball out. I'll be shocked if he doesn't get in.
he won't get in. great player though.
I kinda agree about wings. The HOF should have different tiers. We could have the all-time great tiers for the Lemeuix. Gretzky, Orr types, etc and then tiers for other accomplishments, eg Marleau's longevity, etc.
Certainly a mention... RW 23 Dustin Brown (LAK), since you're wearing the gold and purple, C 11 Kopitar (LAK) who is certainly first-ballot as you suggested - also a player I could see leading a Kings front office some day..
I think its worth noting international accomplishments as well, this isn't the NHL hall of fame after all.
Agreed! I was just about to comment on that until I saw this. World Championships, Canada Cups, and Olympic medals count for something too. It's still the best playing against the best.
Very true
@@chrisnajda2092 they're not always the best players though. A lot of those tournaments are the best leftover players (teams eliminated, the NHL not partaking, ...)
@@rivahkillah And 4th liners as well as 3rd pairing defencemen also win Stanley Cups. What's your point? International results should be part of the equation too when debating entrance to the HHoF. Some players have great international track records despite never winning a Stanley Cup. What's the weighting on that? Not sure, but it should count..
@@rivahkillah my point is there are people on this list that may not have the NHL numbers to be in the HOF, but when you also use international accomplishments it should put them over. Tavares can be a good example.
Zdeno Chara gets in the Hall on the “being able to play on stilts” category
Basically so little kids can stand next to one of his sticks.
Jk
Hes earned his place in the hof
Banger video
Here's my thought on Kessel. Since his rookie year, he's has the seventh most goals scored (391) of any player. He'll likely finish with over 400 goals and will come close 1000 points for his career. The two Cup rings will also help his case since he was a huge part of those Cup winning teams, leading the Pens in playoff points during the 2015-16 season (fourth overall) and finishing third in playoff points in 2016-17 (behind Crosby/Malkin). He won't get in on his first ballot, but he'll eventually get in.
I'm also kinda surprised by the Taylor Hall omission. I'm also not a fan of his, but the Hart Trophy win might be enough get him in. He likely won't get in on his a first ballot, but in a weak year I can see him getting in.
Per-Johan Axelsson for the HHOF and Bruins should retire his number.
What a warrior ! !
What an unsung hero ! ! !
:-D
i remember playing NHL 04 and he was so good
Forgot to talk about Joe Pavelski. I think he makes it
@@markiv2942 Most playoffs goals ever by an American player
looking slick
It would be so cool to see Crosby, Ovi, and Malkin make the hall the same year. Granted, that's coming from a pens fan.
Suter and Weber going in together would be an underrated HOF reunion
Weber is definetly getting in even without a Stanley Cup.
Still shocked Brind Amour hasn't made HOF yet
One player I feel you should have on the board is Mitch Marner. He's been by far one of, if not the best set-up man in the league. A player I think you're wrong on is John Tavares. When you look at how he carried the New York Islanders and what he accomplished for that team plus the way he plays, believe me he's going to be in the Hall. I also think that Tuuka Rask is also going to be in the Hall, probably not the first ballot but definitely Hall material.
It would be nice to see Burns/Couture get the nod, but it'd be even nicer to see them win a Stanley.
I feel that for players you need at least 2 of 3 for personal hardware, was dominant for multiple seasons, or were key pieces in at least one Stanley cup.
For goalies, it feels as if they need at least one of personal hardware or being a key part of a Stanley cup.
Blows my mind how Crosby has played 164 less games & is only 6 points behind Ovi that’s just crazy to me.
It doesn't surprise me one bit actually. Crosby has always been a point producing player whether it's scoring goals or picking up assists in bunches. If the guy did not get injured during those two or so seasons in the prime of his career, he would easily be at least 150 or so points ahead of Ovi. Ovi is one of my favorite players but he is more of a goal scorer than all around type. He doesn't pick up assists in bunches like Crosby does. Ovi is strictly putting up goals while Crosby was a 35-40 goal, 60-70 assist kind of guy in his prime.
@@langenbrunner1 It really does suck he got hurt back in 2010, he was really becoming a monster. He definitely would have hit 130 and 140 wouldn't have been a stretch.
Surprised you didn’t mention Corey Crawford. I know he has technically said he is retired and (at least now) isn’t going to play in 2022, but I would have liked to know your updated stance on him since you gave him a shout out on the old video from 2017.
I would love a video of EAST vs WEST (traditional divisions not covid times) as a comparison and which division you think is the best conference. I personally think its the East
The Atlantic. The road to the Stanley cup Every year for the eastern conference goes through either Tampa or Boston, and typically those two teams are favored.
Those Sharks jerseys in the thumbnail are the best Sharks ever had.
I think the away version but yeah I agree
Lol no
Nah the Heritage version they have now are the cool ones
Thoughts on the Sedin twins and Luongo making the hall?
Yes, yes and yes.
I think all three should make it, but this list is "Current NHLers". Lots of retired (or still playing in Europe) guys who should make it, like Jagr, Datsyuk, maybe Kovalchuk
I think if Bishop can get a cup he should be there and so should Radulov but yeah, and Jamie Benn has gotten an Art Ross before so if he gets a cup and can keep playing for a while longer and maybe get close to Modano's franchise records he can get in
When it's all said and done, I feel like Pasta might have to make it in the HoF. He's become one of the best goal scorers in the league right now and he's only got room to grow. If he plays like he is right now, and for long enough, he's going to get in. Mark my words.
Also, Tuukka holds the wins record for the Bruins (a franchise that's almost 100 years old), 2nd in shutouts behind Tiny Thompson, and I think was instrumental in getting the Bruins to the Finals in 2019 as well as earning the team 2 President's Trophies in his tenure. I think the 2 Finals losses will taint it a bit, but he gets in, imo
Bergeron definetly makes it. The best 2-way forward in the game.
Best 2-way forward? Did Crosby retire or something?
@@Ryan-dj3db Overall Bergeron is by far the best. He doesn't put up as much offense as guys like Crosby or McDavid, but he is elite. No other forward has the defensive situational awareness that Bergeron does.
The best two way forward should be datsyuk over Bergeron (no offense to him he’s one of the greats) but it’s datsyuk in my opinion.
You should do a team number retirement edition! I.e. Who should have their numbers retired by their respective teams.
Would be a short one, but interesting.
Example. Pengiuns... Do they retire 87, 71 & 58? If so, do they retire them at the same time since they earned the Penguins such much hardware TOGETHER. Is Letang even worthy?
Kessel’s in… two cups which Pittsburgh couldn’t have done without home and not to mention being the Iron Man, which is astounding in this day and age… He definitely gets my vote!
You should have also considered international achievements. For example, even though Getzlaf may not have enough based purely on NHL accolades he could get in based off of being a contributor to those Canadian Olympic and World Cup teams
And world junior too
It should be just hockey hall of fame not NHL hall of fame. Many great achievements happen outside the NHL. I’m not just defending the Soviets to be clear too.
Crosby is the better all around player ovi is the better goal scorer
14:55 Ironic that Dale Hunter isn't considered for the Turgeon hit when Turgeon also doesn't get consideration largely because he never left the bench in Piešťany...
I don't think thats the reason for Turgeon. I don't know why you would think Hunter would get in. He never won anything. No cup. Was never even nominated for a Selke. No all star selections. Are there any players in the hall of fame that scored less goals/points?
@@allsystemsgo8678 Because people have pointed out as that being a major reason why they haven't voted for him for both induction and awards during his career. It might not be the only reason but his whole career Turgeon had the reputation of being soft and not a team player, and they would always point out that of all the players involved in the 1987 WJC, he was the only one that stayed on the bench.
@@allsystemsgo8678 you're kidding right? Hunter is the only NHL player in history with over 1000 points and over 3000 penalty minutes. It's a record that will never be broken and it shows just how dominant he was when he was on the ice. Think about how little actual playing time he had. His impact can't be overlooked.
@@mikeb.2925 So one of the two major attributes you can say about him is he took a lot of penalties? That's impressive.
@@philipcoggins9512 I'd partly agree with you. He didn't have enough dominant seasons. He wasn't great in the playoffs either.
Respectable list. I'll throw Dustin Brown in the ring for being the first American captain to lead his team to the Cup (x2) and leading the league in hits for a good number of years. You might say those aren't HOF stats, but they represent a career. Also, if there's a wing of the Hall for warriors, Joe Pavelski gets in there before Logan Couture.
John Carlson is a tough one to call, he had a bit of a slow start to his career. He puts up really solid numbers for a d-man and was a bit robbed for the Norris. Him having a cup win will definitely help his chances, but I think if he either wins a Norris or plays a major role in another cup win he will be a lock for the hall.
Same kinda goes for Brent Burns, I think his stats are probably worthy of a spot in the hall, but he might have to either win another Norris or finally get a cup to be a lock.
Tim Thomas has 2 Vezinas is the oldest to ever win one a conn smythe and cup he deserves at least a conversation
he also currently has a cheating scandal about the cup so it wouldn't be a good idea
@@ygroling7033 That scandal is a non-issue. Allegedly using illegal leg pads in the Finals against Vancouver didn't get the Bruins 8, 4, 5 and 4 goals in their wins. The Canucks blew it badly. Besides, the scandal is involving the company that Thomas was going to use for his leg pads making Vaughn knock-offs, not Thomas himself.
He won't get in because he snubbed the Obama White House.
Tim's not currently playing is he? If he's not this video is only for ACTIVE players.
I think Eric Staal deserves it. I watched that cup win pretty close after WHAT THEY DID TO KOIVU!
Staal was a monster. 28 points in 25 games. I think in this day and age 1000+ pts and a deserved cup ring (Cam Ward's performance overshadowed his because he basically came in out of nowhere) should get you there.
I think your on point on most of these.
Would Spezza make the jump to yes if he re-signs with Toronto, hits 1,000 pts and wins his 2nd Stanley Cup?
I feel like the Smythe should be brought into this as well, it's one of the hardest trophies to get IMO. You have to make it to the finals, win the cup, plus be the best/most noticeable player on the ice.
Also, how you could be on the fence with John Carlson and not include Kris Letang I don't understand, his points, ppg, playoff points, etc etc and the guy lived through and kept playing after a stroke.