Hall of Fame SNUBS From ALL 30 MLB TEAMS - How Are These Guys Not In the HOF!?!?
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- In today's video, we'll be looking at a major MLB Hall of Fame SNUB from ALL 30 Major League Baseball Teams!! Amazingly, I was able to find at least one player to represent each of the 30 teams - each player was snubbed from the Hall of Fame by the voters and deserve more consideration. This list includes steroid users and gamblers like Pete Rose so be ready!! We'll be going in depth into the accomplishments of each player including their MVP's, Gold Gloves, All Star Selections and other amazing stats!
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Update: Fred McGriff has been elected to the Hall of Fame
Yes!!!! Thanks for that update!
McGriff was amazing class act great teammate he played clean and the right way. McGriff Mccovey Strawberry and Griffey Jr all had a beautiful swing they made it look to easy lol
Finally!
And Kaat
@@claytonoakley8677 met Crime Dog in 2020, he was a genuine a person I’ve ever met. And he absolutely deserves to be a HOFer
The "Cobra" Dave Parker is not in the best of shape today, because he suffers from Parkinson's disease. Keep him in your prayers. Parker was a mountain of a man and a beast in his playing days.
I loved Dave Parker when I was a kid…I thought his batting stance was sooooo cool!
I didn't know that. My prayers definitely go out to The Cobra
Wow… I didn’t know he had such great numbers… and the defense. I feel like alot of players supposedly snubbed is because of lack defense.
If Parker hadn't missed so much time in his prime because of injury and drug problems, he would have unquestioned HoF numbers. He used to come to the casino where I worked and was always a great dude , appreciative of his fans and surprisingly down to earth for a larger than life character
I remember he used a sledgehammer in the on-deck circle lol
Something even more impressive about Billy Wagner is that he threw left-handed despite being a natural righty, he broke his right arm twice as a kid and taught himself to throw with his left hand.
One of the most fascinating players in baseball history.
In him last year with Atl he was still a great pitcher and a better person on and off the field. He past a lot of knowledge alone to a lot of younger players.
Pat Venditte was a switch pitcher and they had to make special rules just to deal with it (you can pick one arm for the inning, but you can't switch it up, etc.) It's called the "ambidextrous rule". Sub 90 with either arm isn't really good enough though. He had to rely on different looks and deliveries.
I loved Billy Wagner.
The fact that Fred McGriff is not in the Hall of Fame is criminal. The guy had an excellent career and finished 7 HR's short of 500 for his career. It boggles the mind that he's not in.
His being traded so much (and that I don’t understand either) I think hurt him
Good thing he is gonna be now
That just got corrected this month! He will be in the 2023 HOF class.
Thank the strike for missing 500
@@jakesorrentino7230 Thank the strike for no Expos-Indians World Series.
Dale Murphy. Who was better for a decade? 2 mvp. 5 Gold gloves. Great teammate. 400hr 1200+ rbi. Yes his later years were not great but he was amazing for an awful team. And this coming from a Mets fan.
Dale Murphy was my favorite player growing up. He hit 398 Home Runs which is why he isn’t in. 2 more likely would have put him in the hall and I agree he deserves it. He came to my church to sign baseballs for the kids and it was amazing (and it wasn’t even an LDS church). In my book he belongs in the HOF along with Dave Stieb (watch Captain Ahab if you haven’t already).
Ya'll know your baseball, worst team in Mlb, in last place, not 1, but 2 MVP awards? Murphy was hurt a lot toward the end of his career, Most people dont know he came up as a Catcher, I live in Savannah Ga, he played for the Savannah Braves, along with Glenn Hubbard, Rick Camp, Steve Bedrosian, Rafael Ramirez, Ken Dayley, Rick Mahler, It's sick that Murphy, McGriff, Andrew Jones aren't in HOF, hell Gary Sheffield was a Brave!!!!
I was a kid who started watching baseball in the 70's and 80's. Dale Murphy was the sole reason anyone needed to know the Braves still played baseball after Hank Aaron left Atlanta.
Other than Bob Horner and Claudill Washington, Dale Murphy had very little around him during his prime playing years.
The year after he was traded, the Braves got good and have been good most years since that 1991 season. Though, there were a few good teams he played on. 1982 they win the division. 1983 they were a decent team, as well as 1984. 1985 they were mediocre, but they really stunk it up during the late 80s.
@@davester1970 Glenn Hubbard was a good second baseman. Gerald Perry was an all-star. Bruce Benedict was a decent catcher. Gene Garber and Bruce Sutter were good pitchers, and Rick Mahler and Zane Smith were decent. Rafael Rameriz was a pretty good defensive shortstop. Pascuel Perez was also pretty good at times.
Glad you mentioned Helton. After doing extensive research Tod Helton is the ONLY PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY to hit 39+ doubles in nine consecutive seasons!
Lifelong Rox players could never get into the HOF. Why? Coors Field. Writers arent stupid. They know how the ball flies in that ballpark. It's a joke! Unless Helton played somewhere else like Larry Walker did before and after his Rox years, it's gonna be hard for any Rox lifer as they'll be judged differently.
@@ginoinencino2528 and that's stupid of the writers... Players don't exactly choose what team they get drafted by and where that team plays. Last time I checked baseball seasons aren't only played in 1 stadium... 🤦♂️
What a random stat
Update: He made it🎉
HELTON is now in.
As far as COORS FIELD, HELTON hit .372 one season, subtract as many as 30 pts. off of that, and you can still see that he was a helluva of a hitter.
As for JACKSON, he knew but did not report that to the league prez.. no commish back then.. although, MOUNTAIN LANDIS was put in as the first one, strictly to snuff out the bad publicity from the BLACK SOX scandal.
Also, thank you for choosing Kenny Lofton. A completely underrated player and one of my favorites from the 90s.
The impact Kenny had on games in the 90s was insane, a total menace every time he got on base, and his stats speak for themselves, deserves the HOF more than any of those Indians sluggers from the 90s!
And a huge prick.
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Writers will never let him in because he and Sheffield just suggested Joe Torre tended to treat black players differently. You get banished to the phantom zone if you say anything less than glowing about Joe Torre.
Wow that's a crazy pocket post unless my daughter did it
As a kid, Mark Grace was one of my guys. Loved watching him play. Great fielding percentage. I’ve .300 career BA. 2445 hits. Not a power hitter, but put the ball in play. I believe he didn’t get the respect he deserved, receiving only 4.1% of votes.
Agreed.
If he hit 3k he gets into the hall of fame, which is a shame because he’s right there. Poor voting system.
Grace was one of my favorites as a kid. Slick fielding and dude could hit.
I was a big Mark Grace guy. Also Will Clark.
Mark “Amazing” Grace
Lou Whitaker got hosed because he didn't talk to the press a lot and he played in Detroit. If he had put up the same numbers for the Yankees he would be in. Everyone in Detroit wanted to see him go in along side Alan Trammell since they made up the longest running SS/2B combo in baseball history. Normally the Tigers won't retire a number unless that player makes the HOF but they are correcting that omission on August 6th, 2022, and I will be in attendance. Hopefully, the Veterans Committee will do the right thing the next time Lou's name comes up.
As for Shoeless Joe, he got caught up with the wrong folks but he took his licks and never made any fuss over his fate. I recall reading an account where he was running a liquor store and Ty Cobb stopped by. Joe looked away at first and tried to act like Ty was any other customer until Ty came up and shook his hand. He said he just came by to see how Joe was making out. Joe meekly said, "I figured none of you guys would want to be seen with me." That story said a lot about Joe and a lot about Ty. Ty Cobb got a bum rap from a washed up drunk who couldn't get a job writing for any of the papers in New York. So he made up a bunch of stuff about Ty Cobb after Ty passed away and couldn't defend himself, passing it off as the truth. Kind of like people painted Joe as being a selfish guy who cheated for the money.
I would have no problem letting Joe in, but baseball won't do it because if they let him in they have to let Pete Rose in and Pete, despite his ability, did flaunt the rules because he thought he was above them and he did continue make a lot noise after the fact. Two different men, two different times.
I absolutely love that a few people know the truth about Ty Cobb.
@@rogerreid5925 My grandfather met him. He was one of Ty's favorite young players when Ty was managing the Tigers and gramps would have made the team if he hadn't done young and dumb things. Anyway, he said Ty was a decent guy and I never heard anything about him being a nasty racist.
Al Stump was the dirt bag "writer" you're referring to.
Tru Dat
Regarding Joe Jackson and Ty Cobb, I have read biographies on both men (Timothy Hornbaker's "Fall From Grace: The Truth and Tragedy of Shoeless Joe Jackson and Charles Alexander's "Ty Cobb") and both were painted as something other than what they actually were. According to his biography, Joe Jackson fought to clear his name and maintained his innocence until the day he died. The biography mentioned Jackson signing a "confession" but said confession was presented to him by Charles Comiskey's lawyer as a document that would clear him of the charges, and as someone who couldn't read and could barely sign his name, Joe Jackson took the lawyer at his word. According to Cobb's biography, Cobb wasn't the person Al Stump painted him as either.
Massive oversight to not use Dave Steib as the Blue Jays snub. Jeff Kent never really played for them and Steib had a higher WAR over his career.
Good one.. I blew it
Jose Bautista
@@thomasayer7511 no
As a Yankee fan I hated Dave Steib. He definitely should have made it to the hall.
Loved Dave Steib. Talk about ball movement. I pitched in a 30 and over league and I modeled my pitching on Steib. I can’t throw 85 down hill so the ball had to move. Steib through hard and moved the ball all over. So much fun to watch.
It is crazy that Carlos Delgado even gets snubbed from being on a list of snubs. 15+ year career with an .OPS of .929 with 473 HRs. Never really got injured and never was implicated for PEDs.
Loved it! Well done! But I was hoping you'd find a place for Tommy John. Tommy John had a 26-year career. Only Nolan Ryan had a longer career (27 years). When he pitched his last game, he was 46 years old-the oldest active player in Major League Baseball that season. Tommy John has 288 career wins, 164 of those wins came after his famous surgery and pitched a full season following his surgery after taking a year off to rehabilitate. Tommy John has 188 no-decisions for his career. That achievement is a major-league record. Pitched an amazing 162 complete games. Named to four all-star teams and pitched in three worlds series for the Dodgers in 77-78 losing to the Yankees and 81 for the Yankees losing to the Dodgers. He was on the HoF ballot for 15 years but never crossed the 75% threshold to be inducted. TOMMY JOHN SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME!
The problem with Tommy John is he never had any REALLY great seasons.. just a whole lot of very good ones. Also his top four years 1977-80 he averaged a 20-9 record. But that was playing for three first place teams and a 79 Yankees team that was 89-71. From 61-76 and 81-89 his record was 208-196 with a slightly above average ERA. Unfortunately other than his extreme longevity his record just doesn't cut the mustard.
Tommy John was much better then Hershiser idk why he isn't the dodgers pick instead
Well done .. I agree
😮😮The same thing can be said about Jim Kaat, who was just elected to the HOF by one of the special committees set up to give additional consideration to great players who were overlooked by the BBWAA. Like Kaat, he pitched for a very long time, had fairly close to 300 victories, but was never considered as dominant as other elite pitchers during his time. John has the benefit of his name being associated with the elbow ligament surgery that is still commonly used to save and extend the careers of pitchers (and some position players) at all levels of baseball.
My reasoning for him being in the HOF IS THE SURGERY THAT BEARS HIS NAME! While his numbers are HOF worthy…his medical contribution is historic! How many pitchers made the HOF after having the career saving surgery? he volunteered for the revolutionary surgery! Him and Doctor Frank Jobe changed baseball! Imagine baseball today without this option? So many young pitchers gone forever! 289 wins should have been enough on its own merit. GET IT DOWN!
You could add Tony Oliva to the Twins list. AL Rookie of the Year, 3x batting titles, 8x All-Star...
Side note, there are only 4 Twins in the HOF that played primarily for the Twins. The HOF selection process needs a revamp. Maybe they need to accumulate those players who have been selected into their team's HOF and start there.
Oliva just got in, so that’s good news!
It's not the Hall of good....Not a lot of Twins were the best of their era.....who's missing?
As did Jim Kaat!
Wow, I assumed Tony Oliva was already in the HOF
Its the same for the Vikes. Browner should have been a shoe in but he isnt. Some DB in the last few years got in yet he played something like 4-6 more years but had less INTs that Browner did. Only difference is SBs. Thought it was for individual play was the go to for the Hall
I don't get Mattingly either. He has basically the same numbers as Puckett. Plus the fact that Posada couldn't stay on more than one year astounded me. He had the same 7 year peak as Pudge Rodriguez says that defense does matter
Posada never have number of HOF and Mattingly the problem were the injures.
@@axelagosto5196 Look at Posada's 7 year peak vs. Pudge's and tell me he didn't at least merit consideration...not saying he's a hall of famer, but he's definitely not a one and done
@@billputt3855 No ,you can cut career is a full is you want considered, common compare Pudge with Posada is not fair, Pudge maybe is the best catcher in history of the game.
@@billputt3855 Players like Posada or Bernie were solid player but never a HOF.
@@axelagosto5196 never said either were hall of famers but the 7 year max is something that's highly considered when judging consideration for the hall...my point was only that Posada's 7 year max should have precluded him from a one and done
Steve Garvey should be in. Very consistent player. The only thing that actually stands out as a negative (this is just my opinion) a slugging average around 4.40 is pretty low at the first base position. But he still had six 200 hit seasons. Was almost on all winning teams, and hit around 1,300 rbis. Fred McGriff definitely needs to be in with almost 500 homeruns, around 1,500 rbis. Bonds, McGwire ( one of my favorites), and Sosa, no. Bonds was already a hall of famer, but that wasn't enough. He was incredibly dominant. But where do you draw the line if you reward cheaters??? Steroids I believe has nothing to do judging rather a pitch is a fastball or back door slider. But such muscle enhancement stuff you think will make the ball go farther. Will turn a double into a 420 foot homer. Just my thoughts. If they get into the hall ...well I won't loose any sleep over it lol.
The #1 for me is Shoeless Joe. It's never been proven he was involved like the others. Having the stats that he did during that Series proves it.
with joe jackson should be in. even thou he was never proven to be involved it was the fact that he knew about and said nothing. also what nobody really knows was that the reds were also apporaxhed first and they also said nothing
As long as you ignore the fact that he did take the money then I guess it hasn't been proven.
Unless he batted 1.000 with no errors his stats prove nothing.
Not as dumb as everyone says and took cash.
Someone else that could have been considered for the BoSox: Dwight "Dewey" Evans. 3X All Star, 8 Gold Gloves, 2 Silver Sluggers.
That's a Yankee fan that guy was one Yankee killer lol good ball player very steady you deserve to be in the Hall of Fame again good ball player and he gets neglected sad how the system works
Best RF of his era. Better than Reggie Jackson. Belongs in the HoF
Evans to me is one of those players that is stuck right on the cutoff point. He had some of his best years in his 30s and he was a superior right fielder.
@@petecapravos3044 the proper criteria for HoF voting is the players standing, at his position, during the era that he played. Dewey was, to me, the best right fielder in baseball from 78-88. Yes, there were some terrific Rfers in that time, but I thought he was the best,
Don't forget Evans was a clutch hitter as well. Had 2 HR 9rbi's in 86' world series. In 75', he tied the game in the ninth inning with a two run bomb. Also made a great defensive play on Joe Morgan to preserve the game 6 win. Evans is unusual because the second half of his career is better than his first. Hit the most home runs of ANY AL player in the 80's (256).
Fun video. I'm happy that you mentioned Dale Murphy and I would disagree with you on the pick though. Dale Murphy was back to back MVP. The ball was juiced by MLB to create more home runs. MLB denies this, blah blah, there's no telling how many HRs Murphy might have hit. He was also a gold glove with a cannon for an arm. One hoppers to home plate from the warning track, consistently! Above all though he was back to back MVP and I think it's important to weigh each class against there peers, not history and not whether or not they made it to the post season. Fun video man. Maybe we need to create a shadow HOF for all the gamblers and boozers. Or just add on to Pete Rose's shack. Lol
I agree with you 100%. Murphy absolutely belongs in the HoF. The only player duting the 1980's to hit more HR than Murphy (308) was Mike Schmidt (313) and he was far ahead of Eddie Murray (274) in 3rd place. He was the best center fielder of his time. Also agree that people should put more stock into how a player compares against players from their own era vs. comparing them to players from completely different eras. I don't think a player's lack of WS rings should be held against them. If I guy has a ring or several or performed really well in the post season then take that into account when judging their HoF worthiness but you can't hold it against a guy for not having any rings when they played for bad teams.
Read the comment I just left, McGriff, Murphy, and Andrew Jones should be in the HOF, Not just because im a lifetime Braves fan, Murphy was great in the outfield, Broke my heart when Murphy got off the list, to win TWO MVP awards in the 80s against guys like Mike Schmidt? Dawson? Sandberg and Gwynn were rookies in 83, But geez, the stars that was against Murphy?
Seeing Murphy in Atlanta in the 80’s with my grandparents is a highlight of my childhood. He should be in the hall
I'm completely with you on Murphy. He was 2 HR shy of the Hall imo. 398 career Home Runs
Yes even the baseball was on steroids
As a Bay Area resident when Barry Bonds was on the Giants, I remember telling my sons that he was trading his HOF chances for steroid assisted records. Everyone knew he was dirty and those who select the Hall of Famers will not forgive. I’m sure he regrets his actions, but it is too late now.
Glad to hear some love for Al Oliver, as well as Bobby Grich. Bill Buckner would have been a great choice for either the Dodgers, Cubs, or Red Sox, if not for Clemens. One more thing, nobody ever mentions Joe Carter as an HOF snub. How many 30 hr 100 rbi seasons does a man need to have? Oh, and that rather important HR in the 93 series.
Joe carter for sure..... screw Clemens .
@Fries and nobody ever hit a bigger home run in Canada !
Lets not forget Steve Garvey and Dwight Evans .... I Love your comment though 👍👍
Joe Carter suffers from being compared to juicers. Same is true of all of the non juicers. Andruw Jones should be in. No juicers. Clemens does not get in ever huge cheat and you do not know when he starred juicing. Sosa didn't just do steroids he corked bats as well.
BUCKNER????? ASin Bill????? A career OPS + slightly above average ,but considerably under the average for a first baseman Only things I have against Buckner were ...he could not run,could not throw ,could not field ,could not hit ...other than those shortcomings he was Willie Mays
Idk how Kent is not in the HOF. His stats are HOF. If playing in Denver slows Helton from making the HOF, playing at AT&T as a power hitter should help Kent’s case. Best offensive 2nd baseman in history.
100%!
I would say 2nd best offense 2nd baseman of all time, but I agree he should be in the hall and I don't know why he isn't.
Public opinion public opinion doesn't matter don't let this one be in the Hall of Fame because he shot steroids it's all b******* let's make a statue of George Floyd a heroin addict wife beater criminal who was killed by police officer boohoo unbelievable America today I'm ashamed
It's all political in nature anyway. This is why Schilling is not in. Complete BS. The Baseball Writers should not get the sole vote. In my opinion, they should only account for 40% of the vote. The rest should be made up of "baseball people" including former players, managers, GM, scouts, etc. This should account for 40% - 50% and the other 10% - 20% should be a fan vote.
My mind is blown away at the lack of support that Kent doesn’t get. To me, he’s an easy Hall of Famer. My hope is that a few years down the road, the veterans committee will be smarter than the writers and put him in
Jim Kaat is going into the HOF this year
I think another good mention for the blue jays is Dave Steib who’s probably the best pitcher of the 80’s.
STEIB, and JACK MORRIS..
Great list. Ted Kluszewski is definitely worthy of mention. His home runs rbi's and batting average were fantastic. 3 times(more tan anyone else) he hit more homeruns than strikeouts for the season. Only a back injury like Mattingly kept his stats down. He was also a gold glove winner. Check it out.
Big Klu had a few very impressive seasons but overall, I don't know if he's a HOFer. One thing really stood out, though- he struck out only 365 times in his career and hit 279 home runs. A very impressive stat for a slugger! If the Veterans Committee one day sees fit to put Kluszewski in, I would support their decision. I take it the Reds have retired his number?
@@petecapravos3044 why shouldn't he be in the Hall of Fame and and they recently put in Tony Oliva which I don't think should be in but since he's in Ted's got to be in
For 3 seasons straight, he was about as great a slugger as anyone's ever been. But three golden seasons isn't enough. And injuries are just the luck of the draw. For the same reason Maris isn't in and shouldn't be.
@@petecapravos3044 yes Klu's number 18 is retired. It should be noted also that he was the batting coach for one of the best offenses in history. Among his prized pupils were George Foster, who credits Klu with turning him into the incredible power hitter he became, and Davey Concepcion, who became one of the top hitting SS in the NL under his tutelage . Ken Griffey Sr a lifetime 297 hitter credits Klu for improving his swing also. Bench , Rose , Perez and Morgan may have been great hitters anyway but Klu was a great influence on them all. A ( literally) huge presence in the clubhouse.
Klu was a beast. He took a lot of flack for cutting his sleeves, but if you've ever seen the guns on that guy, you'd understand. Solid first baseman with a career fielding % of .993, and had power for days. He's a lifetime .298 hitter with a .498 slugging percentage. You wonder if those numbers were .300 and .500, would it tip the vote? Seven seasons over .300! He was also a clutch post-season player, and after hanging up the spikes, he was the batting coach for the Big Red Machine and is lauded for his work with those guys. He should be in the Hall.
Some interesting points, but with a few exceptions these guys belong in the "Hall of Very Good," not the Hall of Fame.
Dick Allen, absolutely. Got to see him a lot
My honorable mention is Rusty Staub. Very underrated player for his era.
As an Expos die hard, I agree fully. ⚾
"Le Grand Orange!"
Great video as I rewatched it! Great to see McGriff, Rolen & Kaat in! I’d love to see former Expos & Mets Rusty Staub in…2700+ hits, 6x all-star, 23 seasons, almost 300 HRs, Mets HOFer & Canadian Baseball HOFer! Sadly, he passed away!
You could've said Boog Powell for Baltimore instead of Raphael Palmero
1970 MVP
2X World Series Champ
4x All Star
339 Home Runs
1187 RBI's
not nearly as good
As a Baltimore native, I knew Palmerio would be the Orioles pick since steroid users were considered. He put up amazing numbers and with this being a personal accomplishment, Palmerio over Powell. Obviously character or sportsmanship goes to Powell.
@@patrickwagner6247 While I was growing up, Boog was the name that struck fear to me as an Angel's fan. What a moniker! I can't believe he's not in the HOF.
Powell is one of my all-time favorite Orioles but as a first baseman his hitting stats are good, not great. He would have won a couple of Gold Gloves but George "Boomer " Scott had a lock on GGs at 1B in the late 60s and into the 70s. He won 8 in 10 years from 1967-1976.
@@chipgriffiths3655 Killebrew, Oliva we're more feared. Palmer RIGHT AWAY called Tony.
For Toronto, there is only one choice for the snub and that is Carlos Delgado. As well, I am not sure how A-Rod did not make it on this list either.
Absolutely! Everyone seems to forget him. I can't think of another name bigger than his. He was fantastic. 10 seasons of 30 homers and the Canadian HOF? Getting less than 5 percent on a ballot? It's BS. Parker was good but if Kent had to be on the list than move Bonds to pirates and Kent to the Giants.
Better yet. Break the rules again and have 2 Bluejays on it. He didn't even get a mention. Ridiculous!
For Toronto, Stieb or McGriff would also fit here. I think Stieb is the biggest snub, but ya know
@@ianalex9062 I agree. For me, it has to be Dave Stieb. He is still considered by Jays fans to be one of the best pitchers in team history right along with Clemens and Halladay. He had the 2nd most wins of any pitcher in the 1980s behind future Blue Jay Jack Morris and it took Morris many years before he got in. He pitched 4 one hitters in his career and came within 2 pitches of matching Johnny Van Der Meer's legendary record of 2 consecutive no-hitters before finally getting one in 1990. He was part of the 1992 World Series team but that came late in his career when he was no longer the dominant pitcher he used to be. Another snub that really bites hard is Blue Jays manager Cito Gaston. Look at his record: 4 division titles, 2 consecutive World Series, over 900 wins. He certainly belongs in the Hall alongside contemporaries like Tony Larussa, Bobby Cox, and Joe Torre. That one really surprises me.
@@salianni16 Toronto gets snubbed a lot because Canadian team
Evidence for bonds use goes back to 93 when after 5 years he magically gained 15 lbs of muscle. Saying he was tempted by Sosa and McGuire is ridiculous and refusing to realize he was juicing heavier, not starting to juice, in the late 90s
I want a Hall of Fame that represents the story of baseball. Don't exclude the bad. Just tell the story, good and bad. That should be the reason for the existence of the Hall.
Couldn't have expressed it any better.
Why should the players who cheated/gambled be given that honor? I guess by your standard we should let convicted felons in too as long as they're stats are good.
@@RicoBurghFan Because they tell the story of the sport and thus have fame in the sport. It's not the Hall of Nice and Honest. Yes, felons should be in there if their actions help tell the story of the MLB.
So by your opinion Chris Beniot should be in the WWE hall of fame correct?
@@bamafan5099 In some form or another, yes.
You nailed it 100%.Mattingly , one of the best hitters I ever saw and I’m a Red Sox fan.
Mattingly is not a HOF'r
mattlingly wasn't one of the best hitter you've ever seen..don't cap..
@@nathankenny9278 mattingly had basically the same offensive stats as Puckett, and had amazing defense. How is he not in
Exactly, for sure. As a Yankee fan, Schilling was a legend and I think he should be in.
@@Ant-fc7rf Puckett was an 80’s Ichiro Reached 2000 hits before 10 years in the majors. That’s godly
I agree with everything you said about Helton. It's a travesty, and completely insane he's not gotten the call as of yet. Best long time player with Colorado by a pretty wide margin. Walker's numbers ballooned up the moment he got there, but he WAS decent enough in Montreal.
Was an All-Star in Montreal. Dante Bichette, Ellis Burks, Andres Galarraga were also some guys who put up some crazy numbers in Colorado.
Bruh ops+ adjusts for the park they play in
Helton has had some DUIs which is sometimes rumored as to why he hasn’t been voted in. Standup guy though and big reason Peyton went to Denver too
Love the Hel-dog
I've got a signed rookie card of Todd Helton in a Tennessee uniform..... make me an offer .......
Crime Dog also played with Shef for 2 seasons at San Diego. His finishing batting stance on homers alone should put him in HOF. Glad to hear he has now made it in.
I was happy to see you mention Quisenberry, Oliver, Parker, Grich, Murphy, and Cooper. It seems like all these years later people seem to have forgotten how great these players were. From that same era, I would add Concepcion and Madlock, and maybe pitcher Mike Marshall (a reliever who once pitched in 106 games in one season). Great video!
If only Parker had not done drugs and fell off for a couple of years in the early 80's!
He was awesome up until then!
Dwight Evans and Steve Garvey for me
Mlb's ridiculous on putting people into the hall. Just look at the numbers and not about politics, popularity or personal reasons. Just look at the loyalty of the game, numbers and dominance. Good video bro.
MLB doesn’t run the HOF. It is independent of MLB. Now, MLB definitely has a lot of influence concerning the MLB but it is not directly involved nor does it fund it.
The HOF is ridiculously difficult to get in. Personally I think they're too hung up on counting stats. It's incredibly difficult to be productive for 20+ years. If you are dominant for 7-10 years, you deserve legitimate consideration.
@@mofny I agree, especially if a player has a 10 year run. Even Sabremetrics is used in that way with career WAR.
However, Koufax got in on a 5 year run but he is an exception.
And when people point to Ozzie Smith’s career batting stats, they fail to take into account he had a horrific start offensively but would have a 9 year run of an OPS+ of around 99, which is essentially average. So to while he never had a great power bat, he had a sustained stretch of at least being overall average power.
In other words, one should take a deeper dive into a Player’s stats.
Learn who puts players in the Hall then maybe what you say might make sense. Might😉
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Great video, great content! Fred McGriff deserves to be a hall of famer! Would love to see him in as a Blue Jay.
Thanks!! 100% McGriff is the most baffling case to me.
Mcgriff will be elected next year on the today's game ballot u can book it and he will represent the braves
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Yea, where He Won A Ring and was right in His Prime.
Prime started in SD but Atlanta is where He got His Ring & ASG MVP
i would have expected someone who spent more time with the jays to be the pick, like stieb or delgado.
Greatest snub of all time is Barry Bonds. His pre-steroid numbers were equal to Mike Trout's.
Second Greatest Snub of all times is Dave Steib. They put freaking Jack Morris into the HOF and left Steib off the ballot entirely, that's some next level trolling. Steib had greater WAR than Morris, and led the 1980's in every meaningful category except K's.
Pete rose will get in but most likely after his death especially after that PR fiasco a few weeks ago when the philes decided to invite him to celebrate the world series win that he was part of. But he has the most MLB hits of all time only one person has more hits but that is because he racked up well over 1,000 hits in japan before making his way over and if you are wondering that is Ichiro who got almost 3090 hits here in the states which makes the fact that he got well over 1,000 before that truly impressive though he will get in here in a few years. I think the issue with Rose being snubed is because every time he tries to win back support to maybe get in he just proves why he was snubed in the first place. One person who is currently active that i hope gets in is Jose altuve as that guy is impressive.
Nope he is on permanently banned list. He signed the agreement. Every time he had a chance to have ban lifted he messed it up. His first chance he had would have paid off his gambling debts, kept him out of prison, and eventually allowed him in. Multiple chances to get his ban lifted. His attitude is also a part of why he is not in. He lied multiple times about the gambling. Now that is not to say MLB does not have an integrity problem itself. The report on his gambling was stopped. And strongly leaning that his gambling was way worse than he said when he somewhat came clean
Nice to see Sweet Lou on this list. Ppl are slowly understanding his value with modern stats
For the Astros I think Oswalt is the best choice. 50 WAR in a little over a decade. According to the Hall of Stats site, which he's in with a 106 rating, he's the 4th best Astro ever and the 79th best pitcher ever. And as a bonus he was excellent in the playoffs with an NLCS MVP.
Good choice. Personally for me, JR Richard. Just coming into a dominating stretch, and.... a stroke ☹️
@@orangelab6846 I thought of Richard, also. He was absolutely dominating from 1976-1980 and then he had the stroke in July 1980.
Had no idea Patton Oswalt even played the game.
Berkman should be in consideration also.
No JR Richard or Oswalt? Biggio and Bagwell were not first ballot HOF? Hall of fame voters are a bunch of hacks!
Jim Kaat just got in, so you nailed that one lol
In addition to Parker from the Pirates, you could have added Bill Madlock.
If it weren't for the strike in 1994, Fred McGriff probably gets those 7 home runs to reach 500. I think Tony Gwynn was like 5 points short of .400 and you know he could've pulled it off.
No probably about it. He would’ve hit those 7HRs in either 1994 alone or in the 2 full months combined in the strike shortened August-October 1994 and almost all of April’s worth of games in the continuation of the strike in 1995.
Glad he finally made it but BS it took him falling off the ballot and going to the Vet’s voting.
I feel like you could’ve tried putting Clemens somewhere else in order to put Dwight Evans in this. I’m pining for him to get in almost as much as Walker a couple years ago and Helton and Rolen currently. Otherwise this is definitely a great list.
I 100% agree with a good amount of these also your honorable mention of Dave steib. One of the most dominant pitchers of that era, got snubbed for the Cy young multiple times, really interesting story and the unluckiest no hit bid pitcher of all time lmao
I love the Secret Base series on him! Super underrated!
@elibosley8413 I was about to reply the very same thing, great call. I'm just a dude, but Stieb's body of work is Hall of Fame worthy, no doubt in my mind.
Anyone who has a problem with Barry bonds not being in the Hall of Fame just remember Ken Griffey Jr who is a contemporary hit over 600 and did it clean he accepted the fact that he was injury prone at the back end of his career and still did not take a shortcut so Barry bonds deserve what he gets
I agree
If Griffey hadn't had those injuries, he would be the homerun record holder, no doubt about it.
@@drose5500 I agree. Even though that swing should be illegal. Lol
Well said. I had not thought about it like that. I have never been a very bonds fan because of his attitude and that attitude was with him prior to steroids. When someone's head swells up twice the normal size that's all the evidence I needed
@@jeffroberts8246 David Ortiz’s head also swelled up but nobody talks about him and steroids
I Think with out a doubt Tommy John should be in the Hall, 26 year career, 288 wins, and was the first to have the surgery, that is named after him. Don’t forget he also missed 2 years because of the surgery.
I would of gone with Buck O’Neill for the Cubs at the time this video premiered (he finally got in this past December). He was a long time scout with them and signed players such as Ernie Banks, Lou Brock, Lee Smith, Oscar Gamble and Joe Carter. He was instrumental in founding the Negro League Baseball Museum and preserving and increasing the interest in the Negro Leagues’ history and statistics. To me, at that time, the exclusion of him was the only exclusion that was more significant than Bert Blyleven.
As for Pete Rose, my main arguments against him is that he denied gambling for much too long (only admitting to it in what would be his final year of eligibility) and never convincingly expressing remorse. If he had admitted to it up front and been convincing in expressing remorse, I would have been okay with the Veterans Committee voting him in. I would not necessarily agree with it but it would have been, to me, an acceptable compromise. Also, he knew that was the one rule that MLB would not budge on and he broke it any way.
I've met both Buck, and Joe Carter. Two great people. The negro league museum here in Kansas City is amazing as well.
@@padraig5335 most awesome! I would have loved to have met Buck and Joe.
I got an autograph from Rose at a card show. He was listening to headphones and didn’t even look up for me or anyone. He didn’t get what he deserved, he deserves far worse. He’s a low class piece of crap.
It was a crying shame Buck O'Neill wasn't inducted while he was still alive. Every year that passed drove me crazy. Then it was too late. Posthumous inductions only make the voters feel good.
The Crime Dog was my favorite player, I guess he did not get in because he did not play for any team for more than 5 years , great upload dude....
If that would be the case then a lot of players today would not make it because they changed him so much due to free agency
THANK YOU for including Kenny Lofton!! Cordero, Vizquel, Thome, Manny....Lofton was the SCARIEST guy on those 90's Indians squads....if you hit the ball of the 2nd base bag, you were out, period. He stole some bases, but, you'll not find many overall baserunners--he DIDN'T make mistakes on the bases!!
Thanks for Keith Hernandez. He's the best defensive 1st baseman of all time, a winner, an MVP.
Erik - I agree with you on Sheffield....I have always wondered though had we not traded for Sheffield and kept Trevor Hoffman would the Marlins fate been better.....people always forget Hoffman was a Marlin before a Padre
Absolutely.. Sheffield was a beast. Ya'll could've won more championships for sure.
I remember sitting near 1st base line when he batted. We would all remember to pay attention because you were likely to get smacked from one of his fouls.
He was one of the greatest power hitters with the least amount of strikeouts. Right up there with DiMaggio.
imagine if Sheffield stayed in Milwaukee with Monitor, Yount and the rest of the Crew in the early 90s.
Andrew Jones is the greatest defensive CF of all time. Oh and he also has 434 career home runs. It’s insane he hasn’t even been close to making it to the HOF
Griffey and Mays ring a bell? Lol but I know what you mean
Was Jones better than May's, Paul Blair or even ballpark Curt Flood?
Easy boy how old are you?12?
@@axelagosto5196 46, know baseball
@@axelagosto5196 if I was 12 I wouldn’t know who Andrew Jones is big guy. You’re probably 70 though and wanna tell me how great Mickey Mantle was 🙄
I actually met Palmero recently, he was trying to get a comeback going and signed with my local Non Affiliated Baseball team the Cleburne Railroaders, he also got to play with his son too! Great guy, totally overlooked cuz of Roids imo
Yeah, when you defiantly wag your finger at others, feigning outrage and indignation, as you lie through your teeth, it kind of washes away any spirit of goodwill others might have been inclined to have toward you. Palmiero has his fame and his wealth. He shouldn't hold his breath on getting into the HOF any time soon.
Thank you, Dave Parker straight up deserves to be in! He was Dave Winfield but didn't play in New York. The '80's drug trials are unfortunately really what's keeping him out, but if they haven't kicked out all the drunkards / amphetamine users from throughout baseball history, and the raft of (white) spitballers, it's a joke that's held against him.
Great video! I agree with your stance on steroids. That being said, I would have put Juan Gonzalez in for the Texas Rangers. He was right up there with Griffey and McGwire for best homerun hitters of the 90's.
My pick for the rangers was Kevin brown
@@keithmessenger7787 yeah but then all the roids monsters should be in.
I would say no for Gonzalez just because he dropped WAY off after he stopped juicing so it’s difficult to say how much of that was him and how much was the roids.
@@NoctemAeternusMusic He was also elite before he started juicing.
@@jirikurto3859 If you cheat on a final exam in a class you've been acing, you don't get a pass for cheating on the exam because you could've passed it without cheating. If you cheat, you fail, regardless of how well you were doing up to that point.
Garvey had 2600 hits in the regular season, played in five World Series, with an insane playoff batting average of .338 with 11 post season home runs, and was also a two time All Star MVP. Garvey also had six 200 hit seasons. When you think of 1970s NL first baseman, Steve Garvey was the best. I think in my opinion the reason he is not in the hall, is because of his much publicised marriage infidelities that were all over the news. Hope he gets in some day, because he simply was one of the best of his era.
For Steve Garvey not to be in the HOF is a shame.
I agree 👍👍👍👍
I totally agree. Watched him when I was a kid and simply put he was one of the best in baseball for many years. Not to mention his playoff stats were incredible. He deserves HOF!!
I think it is because he was not a consistent 35 home run guy at a position that is usually associated with power hitters. I do think he belongs.
Definitely
As a Pirate fan, Dave Parker was the best player in baseball for many seasons. Another Pirate, Al Oliver, has never received star recognition since he was surrounded for his entire career by Clemente, Stargell, and Parker. Al was the spark for the Pirates as Joe Morgan was for the Reds ! After leaving the Pirates, Al became more well known for his play in the American League. Didn't matter what team or league, Al Oliver is a H.O.F. all the way !!
I can't believe Dave Stieb even got snubbed in the "people who got snubbed" list
Sweet Lou Whitaker should have been inducted with Trammell; best SS to 2B duo of the 80's. Bless You Boys!
Don Mattingly is my favorite to get in the Hall of Fame! Andrew Jones and Joe Jackson are great picks too!
Thanks for the memories and the stroll through baseball history. It’s sad that so many greats have been denied their rightful place in Hall. ⚾️
Fantastic video. Appreciate your passion, knowledge, and reasoning. Gotta believe you're helping to right some wrongs based on recent inductions. Looking forward to the update. God bless.
I would have gone Delgado for the Jays.
I consider Curt Schilling more as a Philly
Also Gil Hodges Steve Garvey and Fernando Valenzuela are bigger snubs than Orel
Garvey is on the list for Pads. Like I said at beginning had to find some one for every team.. Schilling for Dbacks cuz Phils have Dick Allen.
Gil Hodges is a Hall of Famer,finally!
Shilling will get cheated out of the Hall because of his conservative views.
@@roberthoskinson1680 he doesn't want it anyway
Shilling DOES NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS -- just that simple.
"...because of the numbers alone" is no legit argument for steroid users. Duh... those numbers don't exist w/o them.
Concerning Joe Jackson, I will say this-
-He was suspended from baseball for life.
-Joe Jackson is no longer alive.
-Technically, he is no longer under the lifetime ban because he is now dead.
So if they put him in now, I'm okay with that on this basis.
Was glad to see Dick Allen. Was hoping to see Frank Howard (Dodgers or maybe Rangers.) This guy hit over 40 HRs/yr during years pitchers were so dominant. Dave Steib for the Blue Jays. Best pitcher of the 1980s.
Add the Tigers to Howard's teams
@@erniesinger8768 After watching this video Frank Howard was the first player I thought of as being forgotten.
@@augthedog55 Senators, unless you include them in the Rangers?
Howard is like Kluzewski and Maris...just not enough great seasons. I've heard people argue that Killibrew doesn't belong because his BA sucks, but the guy hit more HRs than ANYONE in the major leagues during the 60s.
@@erniesinger8768Why wouldn’t you include them with the Rangers? Like the Twins and Sens 1.0 and Expos-Nats the franchise records carried over.
This is a great list my friend. I was so glad to see you list Dave Parker, Keith Hernandez, Lou Whitaker and Steve Garvey. And Don Mattingly is a no brainer. I was waiting the whole video for one man and I was chomping at the bit to hit the comments like an idiot if you didn't include him lol. And that man is Al Oliver. He is the forgotten man. Three hundred over that span of time is enough by itself. What a hitter. This is the best list I've ever seen. I'm no Alex Rodriguez fan, but I think he at least has to talked about. He is easily one of the greatest baseball players who ever lived. It is such a shame that so many greats could not be satisfied with the limits of their own God given greatness and resorted to steroids. Lasrly, Pete Rose.was a perfect baseball player.
Oh yeah, Cecil Cooper. Great that you had him on the list. As far as I can tell, your biggest oversight was Bill Madlock.
Hernandez is disqualified because he couldn't close the deal with Elaine.
Dave Parker has 1 hell of a resume, Geez, totally forgot about the Cobra
@@billysikes1374 Yes. The fact that he was the best player in the league for many years, basically all of his healthy years, seals it for me. He went through some injuries, but when he showed up in Cincinnati he was healthy again and he was the best again. To me, the HOF is more about a level of talent than it is cumulative numbers.
MLB was in serious trouble after the 94' strike. Fans quit buying tickets. Stadiums were at record low attendance. Its my belief that they turned a blind eye to the steroid issue that began in 92'. Not to mention they juiced the ball as well. Look at Sosa for example. The White Sox dumped him because he was terrible. I think he hit something like 15 and 8 dingers for the Sox over two full seasons. All of a sudden he goes across town and hits 33 the next year and they go up from there. It's obvious. Not to mention he gained 40lbs of muscle that was just never there.
I've been watching baseball for over 30 years and in my lifetime I'm not sure I would take any single picture over Curt Schilling if I had to win just one game
Garvey also had six 200+ hit seasons. Not many can say that.
MLB now has betting kiosks at stadia! They don’t care about gambling. Rose and Shoeless Joe need to be add immediately.
As a lifelong Tiger fan, I had someone in mind ho heartedly. And was getting ready to argue against whomever you selected, because there is only one true HOF snub. However, you nailed it. And wouldn't be against having a plaque for him an Trammell together because I cannot think of any other two man combination that deserve to also be inducted as a pair. I can't think of any other combo in all of baseball that epitomizes infield defense, that also had the longevity of this double play combo.
Fun fact: A three man combo from one team did make it into the Hall of Fame in the same year. In 1946, the Chicago Cubs infield of Joe Tinker, Johnny Evers and Frank Chance were all enshrined in Cooperstown.
For most of these guys, it’s the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of the Very Good.
I would add Will Clark. Was considered by many baseball insiders during his peak to be the best player in the game.
His peak being the 80s I’d disagree. Many great players of the 80s. Many.
Just a point of interest, HGH is NOT a steroid & it's use was not banned in the MLB until 2005. Also, baseball seems to be the only sport the struggles to elect deserving players into it's hall. Also, think about this Bonds set the walk record the same year he set the HR record, let that sink in.
Bonds was a great hitter but had a very lean build prior to his steroid use, his body was huge after taking them which helped him big time on his HR numbers...
Hank Aaron is the Alltime HR champ
Bonds' 70 HR season will likely never be topped. Not just because 73 hr, but he had less than 500 AB and crazy high slugging and OBP numbers. If he got the AB and pitches that a leadoff hitter with protection got, he seriously might have flirted with 100 HR, it just seems impossible, steroids or not. It's not like pitchers weren't juicing, plus he was in his late 30s.
Tim I agree. Dodger fan here. I never saw a hitter more locked in. If you threw a strike he hit it hard. If you threw a close ball he hit it hard. In 3 run games they’d walk him with the bases loaded. Perhaps the greatest single season at the plate. Steroids do a lot of things, but hand eye coordination isn’t one of them. Nor is timing or technique. Steroids or not it was impressive.
Loved the video!! I agree with you nearly 100 %. I was extremely impressed with your picks of Cecil Cooper and Al Oliver . . . I thought I was the only one who remembered them . . . But there's still a few snubs that at least deserve an honorable mention. How has four time batting champ Bill Madlock and Tigers catcher Bill Freehan not in the HOF? How about Paul Konerko?
Bill Madlock should of been the Chicago pick well above sosa
Yep agreed. Add Tony Oliva to the list, only hitter better than oliva for twins was carew.
"one of the most exclusive clubs in all of professional sports" *lets Jack Morris and Harold Baines in, while ignoring Vida Blue and Dale Murphy*
As a life-long fan of the game, first all, great video. Now to the other stuff. Aside from the steroid guys individual asterisks there's the damage they did to the record book--which will never be forgiven because one of the things baseball had been about was the individual numbers...that's gone. On to your non-steroid guy selections: a few of these, Bobby Grich is an example, are what we used to call a good everyday ballplayer. Nonetheless, I like your video.
Paul Konerko is another one who fell off the ballot after one season. Another candidate for the Hall Of Fame is former Dodger first baseman Gil Hodges. A lot of arguments have been made for him, but he's another one who can't even smell a Hall Of Fame vote.
Hodges was finally selected as an historic player. Whoever the voters are, they give little weight to the stature of a player in the eyes of his own time. Isn''t that what the historic process is supposed to be about.
@@anonymike8280 MLB did a huge disservice to Hodges by waiting until 50 years after his death to induct him into the Hall Of Fame. Same with the Dodgers for waiting until he was elected to retire his number. Shame on both of them.
@@kevinmiller6380 Bean counters There are some who think it is their job to find someone with one less career hit than Stan Musial who somehow got overlooked. That person doesn't exist and it's not the job of the veteran's committee to look for that person. If you can't do the job you were appointed to do, quit and let someone who will do it take over. Football and basketball seem to manage it better than baseball does.
The Dodgers couldn't control who what the veteran's committee did. They had control over their own retired numbers, and Hodges should have been one of them no matter what.
Konerko, Carlos Delgado, Fred McGriff ALL should be in the HOF. I'm not sure what they have against power hitting first baseman.
McGriff and Kent....and a great player who played in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, Jim Kaat( numerous teams, mostly Minnesota)...a great lefty pitcher....270+ wins...but his time in both regular voting and veterans committee have passed.....might merit going as a broadcaster too, many years doing that, excellent doing that also
@Michael Baucom: you have to wait until the induction speech at Cooperstown to get Jim Kaat's relief to finally get into the Hall.
@@jamesarmstrong1811 he got in, finally, that's what matters
Scott Rolen for Cincinnati!? You have to be kidding me! He played 5 min with the Reds.. Davy Concepcion however was a vital cog in the Big Red Machine, played in Cincinnati for over 20 years, and has stats matching, of not better than other HOF short stops. Cmon man!!?
Great list! The problem with the Hall voting now is that you have a bunch of writers who rely on spreadsheets instead of going back and watching footage. We'll need to push for the Hall to increase the eligible candidates for the Veterans Committee and make the committee permanently year-round.
If Clemons,Bonds, Sosa and McGwire can't get in.... Remove Bud Selig. You can't oversee an entire generation of baseball that tainted and get a pass and a bust in the hall.
Selig is a very lucky man that Madoff was a standup guy.
Yup knew it was gonna be Helton before I clicked on the video. Walker made it in so there's hope for Todd. Great video!
Thank you; Glad you liked it!
Jim Kaat is now in the Hall of Fame, so we need a new Twin. That can't be Tony Oliva, who also gets inducted this year. My suggestion is to go to the wayback machine, to the Washington Senators, to a fellow many modern fans may not have heard of named Firpo Marberry. Marberry was essentially the first superstar relief pitcher. 95-51 as a starter, held the single season and career records for saves for many years. Think John Smoltz or Dennis Eckersley.
you had me at "Firpo"
Coincidentally four of the guys on this list
Schilling, Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens,
all had their final chance to get into the Hall of Fame in 2022 and none of them made it.
I understand the three who didn't make it because of steroids but Curt Schilling not being in the Hall of Fame is an absolute disgrace.
It's really easy to hate the MLB sometimes
Ok, I like the video, however, I waited for your pick for the Bluejays and I couldn't believe that Carlos Delgado didn't get it. I can understand the Jeff Kent part, but Delgado did more for the Jays, had 10 consecutive 30 homerun seasons, and was even elected to the Canadian Hall of fame. He was one of the top if not the top first baseman for many years. He didn't hit the magic numbers either but man!, he was amazing. It seems like everyone forgets about him.
Delgado never got the respect he deserved
One of the most iconic SportsCenter lines from the 90s: “Delgado Del-GOT-IT!”
Dude did say he was a Giants fan. So don't act surprised he used your team to put a second Giant on his list.
As a Yankee fan I agree with Mattingly. Some day I would also like to see Munson in there.
DON MATTINGLY WAS EASILY A BETTER PLAYER THAN RYNE SANDBERG...
I hate that they judge a person who might stay a few years too long, especially when their bad years are still better than most of their piers. Can you punish a guy for making an extra couple million😳. Sweet Lou should also be in, no doubt.
I can see Clemens because he didn't need steroids to be a first ballot hall of famer. But the others, like Bonds, Sosa and McGwire only achieved their astronomical numbers by cheating, and there is no way they should ever be considered for that honor because of that. As for Rose, I am so sick of hearing his name come up. He gambled on baseball while he was playing/managing, abd even bet against his own team. That tarnished his great legacy and he and the other guys should have to live in shame for the stain they made on the sport.
Just no. I can't stand Bonds but he and Griffey were the 2 best players in the game for a decade before he started using steroids. He won 3 mvps and 7 gold glove awards before he started using steroids in 98.
Definitely Don Mattingly, my favorite ball player ever.
I few more: Ron Guidry, Don Baylor, Thurman Munson, Jorge Posada, Bernie Williams
Mattingly was my favorite player as well but I don't think he is deserving because one, he never won a ring, and two, he played 1st base where guys normally put up offensive numbers. Only reason Bernie doesn't get the nod is because he had such a slow start to his career and really didn't put up offensive numbers until he was 27. Posada on the other hand has a case because his offensive numbers were solid for good 10 seasons ,won 4 rings, and was a good defensive catcher.
@@Joseph-lz5er The whole “never won a ring” thing is, in my opinion, less important in a team game. Using your criteria, Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Ferguson Jenkins, Juan Marichal, Ernie Banks, Carl Yastrzemski and Harmon Killebrew shouldn’t be in the HOF. Also, Mattingly struck out on average 1/3 as often as, for example, Jorge Posada.
Don Mattingly played on some putrid Yankee teams in the late 80s and early 90s. And while he played a less physically demanding position than HOFer Johnny Bench, Mattingly didn’t have Bench’s physical gifts nor did he play on COMPLETE teams like Bench. Yet Mattingly’s offensive numbers (OPS+) are a shade better than Bench’s. And Mattingly struck out less than half as frequently as Bench.
And if you want to go position vs. position, Mattingly had a higher career OPS+ than Tony Perez. And Mattingly may have been the best defensive first baseman of the last quarter of the 20th century.
the reason the players u mentioned r NOT i has nothing to do with the #'s. it is because the "writers" "voters" have always had anti YANKEES bias! Hippo Vaughan, Lefty O'Doul, Wes Ferrell, Thurman Munson all deserve to be in BUT because they were YANKEES they r left out!
@@Joseph-lz5er Bernie is the All Time Post season RBI leader. As clutch a player there is.
You forgot to mention that Andruw Jones first 1st major league at bat was a home run . He was the youngest player at 19 to hit a homerun in the World Series ,. His first two at bats in a World Series were home runs , something only one other player has accomplished . He won 10 Gold Glove awards , and in his first full season he had 100 RBI's 56 stolen bases, and 25 Homeruns
His Glove alone makes Him HOF .
The way He roamed & covered ALL OF CF
Then You add His offense that He could actually Hit. FUGETABOUDIT
Glad I got an Andrew Jones auto ball. That was Dope. He talked with Us outside the batting cage too when He was rehab in Vegas. So Dope
Jones’s defense was amazing at his peak. He was a feast/famine type hitter, though. He’d get you a home run, but that was about it. He feasted a lot during his prime, too.
I think what hurts him is he completely fell off a cliff around the same age most players hit their prime. It was a lot of fun to watch him; he just didn’t have the longevity.
The Phillies fans were brutal to Dick Allen. Me being a lifelong Philly resident and Phillies fan have heard the stories told by none other than Harry Kallas & Richie Ashburn. To deal with racial slurs being yelled at you & still doing what he did in my eyes makes him even more deserving.
Saying that a steroid user deserves to get into the Hall of Fame is like saying that Lance Armstrong deserves to get his 7 Tour de France wins back.
As a cyclist and a baseball player you can't compare. No matter how strong you are you still have to HIT the ball. That's why I always thought the steroids argument for baseball was so stupid.
@@BamaMTA04 Regardless of the sport, cheating is still cheating and cheaters shouldn't be recognized as Hall of Famers in any sport.
Except for Roger Clements, who reached HOF numbers before steroid use.
@@pep590 This is like saying Bernie Madoff was a nice guy before he got caught.
@@roland7584 Normally I would agree, but not in this case. Clements was lights out on hitters for years and years, well before steroids, so no recognition for that? I agree, he got greedy or stupid to ever go there.
Born in 1953 and longtime St. Louis Cardinals fan and big baseball history fan your picks all have points. My response comes just after Minoso, Kaat, Oliva, and Hodges make the HOF yet Dick Allen missed by one vote. I have read Dick Allen getting hurt by being injury prone and his defense hurt him but what a hitter. His one year in St. Louis in 1970 Dick Allen hit 34 homers and had 101 RBIs IN ONLY 122 GAMES PRIOR TO A HAMSTRING INJURY AS AN EXAMPLE. I wish he made it since he keeps barely missing it. I thought your Cardinals snubs of Ken Boyer and Jim Edmonds were interesting as both make my all-time Cards lineup recently submitted to a St. Louis media site. I had been hoping Ken Boyer made it and discussion opens up for him because Ron Santo made it. I have read Boyer aged too quickly and became a .260 hitter. My all-time Cards lineup is Brock -LF, Hornsby - 2b, Musial -rf, Pujols - 1b, Edmonds - cf, Boyer - 3b, Molina - c, Ozzie Smith -ss. My bench is Simmons - c, Frankie Frisch and Red Schoendienst on the infield bench. Joe Medwick and Enos Slaughter outfielders on the bench. My pitchers are Gibson, Wainright, Dizzy Dean, Mort Cooper, Chris Carpenter, John Tudor, Harry Brecheen with relievers Al Hrabosky, Todd Worrell, Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter, Jason Isringhausen, and a 13th pitcher Jesse Haines who can start or relieve. Missing my cut are Marty Marion, Mark Mc Guire, Johnny Mize, Jim Bottomley, Curt Flood, and Willie Mc Gee. If ever in St. Louis I recommend the Cardinals Hall of Fame museum in Ballpark Village across the street fom the stadium. Thanks for placing on CZcams.
I agree with Dick Allen I told him a long time Cardinal fan and that one year was really good he just doesn't get noticed
Hi Larry! I'm a huge Ken Boyer fan and I just wanted to add something to your comment about him. The "aged too quickly" phrase has often been used to describe him, but the truth is Ken injured his lower back in '65, the year after he was NL MVP. His offensive numbers "quickly" went down as a result, and his career totals also suffered from that problem. So he really didn't "age" so much as he was dealing with a bad back for the rest of his career. Even with that, his career numbers are almost identical to Santo's. And Ken played his entire 11 years with the Cardinals in Busch Stadium 1, which was not a friendly ballpark for right-handed power hitters. 351' down the line in left and 422' to dead center. Many home runs hit today in the current Busch Stadium would be just long fly outs in that old park. I enjoyed your Cardinals "history" comments and I'm glad "Humm Baby" included Ken on the Cardinals list!
@@BluesImprov I did not realize he had a back problem that began in 1965. Thanks for the info. I agree with you that placing Ron Santo in to the HOF opened up comparison with Ken Boyer. That is also a good point you made about the dimenions of Busch stadium 1. Thanks!
Yeah Richie Allen had a great year that year for the Cardinals it's too bad he didn't stay employee longer with them really good player
@@mikekeeler6362 I once found a site on the internet of an old interview that I think was of Red Schoendienst about Dick Allen. Red Schoendienst said Dick Allen got along really well with his Cardinals teammates and he got along fine with him as well. The interview made it sound like it was all about wanting Ted Sizemore. It has been quite a while since I read it but I think the concern for having good defense with astro turf was the direction they wanted. I do not think such a trade would be done today trading away such a slugger but I could be wrong.
Awesome video bro. My opinion is as such: as much as I don't like curt schilling's politics, its completely BS for him to be held out for that reason. It's the baseball hall of fame, not the political opinion hall of fame.
Cheaters are cheaters and if you cheated at baseball, you don't deserve to be honored by the game.
Rose is the GOAT and needs to be in, Joe Jackson was considered the goat by babe ruth...enough said.
Fred McGriff and Al Oliver not being in is a crime against the game..
I'm confused. How can you say cheaters don't deserve to be honored by the game, but gamblers that gambled on baseball games, do?
I was relieved when you came to the Reds and started with, "Don't worry, he's on here," because that's the most egregious snub of all time!
New follower here..love your videos. You were spot on with all these players..