Replacing my $3,500 JVC Projector with an Ultra Short Throw? - Ultimea Thor T60 4K Laser
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
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Today I am going to swap out my JVC projector for the new Ultimea Thor T60 Ultra Short throw projector. Am I just crazy? Or will the Ultimea Thor T60 be an upgrade? Watch to find out!
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Intro: 0:00
Connections: 0:45
buttons and remote: 1:30
Shadow Detail: 2:07
Color Gamut: 3:25
Brightness/ Daytime Viewing Test: 5:00
3D: 5:51
Settings: 6:46
Sound: 7:36
Gaming: 8:34
Final Thoughts/Ranking: 9:50 - Věda a technologie
Impressive product and review - Liked the video
That looks super clear. You are tempting me, Mr. Toid.
It is nice. Next time you come over you’ll have to take a look at it.
So cool! And it looks like a center channel.
Thanks for the great review. Been looking at projector reviews and found all projectors available tend to be disappointing vs the LG OLED I am used to. Dim washed out image would be too big downgrade. But the TV has the serious size limitation and can't fit larger than 78. inch on the wall, and been hoping that finally a projector would be made which would be worth it, because at least a motorised screen coule be much bigger than the space where the TV fits. Looks like this one raises my intetest. Thanks for the good reviews (and I am also a fan of your DIY loudspeaker videos). Keep up good work!
Another great review mate. I am not in the market yet for a projector as that will be one of the last things I purchase for my room that is currently under construction. But seeing this review I should consider a UST projector as an option.
I completely get that. It would be the last thing I bought as well. Is too easy for something to happen to it. One of the things I really like about an UST is it says so far away from you that it makes any noise from it unnoticeable. I wish I could say that about my JVC, but it sits right overhead and can get really loud. Very distracting.
@@Toid it will be interesting on what it will retail for or even if it will be available here in Australia. Another thing will be aspect ratio and lens memory as I am 90% set on scope screen. But am still open to options.
@@rodneycox9356 I’ll have to get back to you on that. I know you can select different lens options, but I didn’t really pay attention to it
It would really nice to see how this projector compares against the top 5 from last years projector shootout, especially against the Formovie.
I agree
Hey toids I have a challenge for you, do you think you could design a ported enclosure for PA style speakers? like the accordion surround style ones. I've always wondered what this sounds like i've seen it done a few times
Curious if you’ve tried the Nexigo Ultra that is coming out and whether, at half the price, it’s a better overall value.
I have not. I have contacted them about it, so we will see if I can get one in
Also if we are talking about black levels... How bad is it compared to the jvc? This is intersting
Excellent review. One thing I noticed that is making me hesitate is that the projector does not do HDR10+, which is surprising since it can do Dolby Vision. My issue is that a lot of content on Amazon Prime is HDR10+, but not Dolby Vision. I did read somewhere, though, that a firmware upgrade from HDR10 to HDR10+ is at least theoretically possible. Does the manufacturer plan on adding this? If the answer is yes, I will buy one.
I honestly do not know. To a certain degree, it is really odd that Amazon is supporting HDR 10+. Currently the only tv manufacturers to support it are Samsung and Panasonic. And since there is still a licensing fee ) which last I checked was more expensive then Dolby Vision, it doesn’t really make sense. Having said that there aren’t many projectors that support Dolby Vision and even less that support HDR 10+. The vast majority of content is still mastered in Dolby Vision (Netflix, Disney Plus, and physical media.) that I don’t think that trend will change anytime soon.
C'est vraiment le futur félicitation
I'm pretty sure the 4000 contrast is the dynamic contrast, they wrote this on their Kickstarter in the comments.
"Hi, thanks again for your interest, after confirming with our product design team we want to clarify that the 4000:1 mentioned is the fofo contrast ratio"
This was reviewed and it doesn't even come close to 4000:1. It measured around 1600:1 with NO dynamic contrast. The Nexigo Aurora Pro at $1799 measured 4000:1 and 7000:1 dynamic contrast - much better.
Short throw projectors are the best I have an LG and love it
The controller is like a wii remote
They really are. This is my first UST and it blew away my expectations.
@@Narcolepsykid A little cheap considering the pricepoint... It should have been bluetooth or rf...
@@mikaeljonsson4686 idk what connects it.
It doesn't have to be pointed at the unit to work and theirs no Sensor bar like the wii.
Theirs an arrow on screen and you can move it around with the controller.
How much of a difference in screen size JVC vs This?
I loved it till I seen the price! Im still kinda thinking the TCL 98" TV when its on sale. I love watching movies on a projector though just kinda hate the light and latency issues(which isnt bad on this). I want both 😂
I get that. They were both tested on 100” screens. I like the idea of the TCL as well. The benefits that I see with the projector is that it is less straining on my eyes in my theater room, has 3D (although I might be the only person that cares 😂) and you can easily upgrade the size . Although I’m my room I’m limited to the size I can put it.
@@Toid "The benefits that I see with the projector is that it is less straining on my eyes" what? what do you mean strain? You raelize you can tone down the APL to your liking, right? (at least for SDR, can be trickier for some HDR sources)
@@saintkamus14 www.viewsonic.com/library/entertainment/projector-vs-tv-consideration-to-eye-health/
How fresh was the lamp on the JVC?
I’ll have to check, but it should be between 200-300 hours on that bulb
How did you get this projector? Considering it’s on kickstarter and not available yet.
Good question. I’ve worked with Ultimea in the past and they wanted to send me a unit to look over and give them feedback and do a review on it. So I’ve actually had this unit for about a month now.
These USTs are super cool but I wish they worked better on regular screens so you could have AT screen.
I agree. I think that it would work much better if you could cut down on the side and ceiling reflections. The main reason why doesn’t seem to do as well is due to all the reflected light washing out the image
Wow I was really surprised 😧 by the results. I keep hoping you will say the price. 😊
Well it’s a crowdsource, so the price can fluctuate based on when you buy. But I’ll definitely keep that in mind got next review.
You could say I'm surprised too... The most important aspect for picture quality is contrast, and the JVCs are on a league of its own compared to any DLP projector.
I gotta say though, I would like to see what full coverage of Rec.2020 looks like, on video content that is properly graded for it.
It also makes me wonder if the colors were accurate on the test he compares the colors of both units, because it's easy to get a wide color gamut display to look "better" (more saturated) but if the content isn't properly graded for it, the colors are actually way off.
As an example, I used to own a very old JVC RS1 more than a decade ago, and it too had a wide color gamut, with no way to correct it... the result is things like grass would look almost radioactive (i actually did manage to tame the gamut, but only when using it with my PC and a custom color profile)
And by the way... is this video sponsored in any way?
Looks AWESOME! But at nearly $4000.... way too pricey for me... 😥
I know. I wish it could be cheaper as well. However, imo it is worth the price.
Hi, very good review. I own an Epson 3800 which as you know have 3000 lumens of brightness and I was looking into an upgrade to my dark room. I was very interested in the XGIMI Horizon Ultra Pro but then some people say the contrast is not good. Then someone suggest me the Hisense C1 but I’m worry that the 1,600 lumens won’t look as bright as my Epson. What did you suggest me? My particular interest is the Dolby Vision.
Just get the HC1! Trust me! I bought both 2 weeks ago and had to return my XHU for all the inconsistencies that it had. The HC1 is MILES ahead of any lifestyle projector I’ve ever used. Believe me, you won’t regret it!
And did the 1,600 lumens will be enough for my 125” screen? Would I missed the 3,000 brightness from the Epson or since this is laser the C1 still will look better?
@@DigitalPlaygroundTV That I cannot answer since I've never used an Epson projector or any type of projector with 3000 brightness. But what I know from buying both the XHU and the HC1, is that the HC1 is much brighter and the picture is AMAZING compare to the XHU. The XHU was definitely not brighter than the Hisense, nor was the image as sharp and crisp either. I ended up buying both because I can't trust these CZcamsrs claiming that the XHU was that good. As much as I wanted to like the XHU more, it was the worst one. I only bought the Hisense after I watched @thehookup Video comparison. And he was completely right about the Hisense and the Xgimi. But as I said before, I cannot say if the Hisense will be better than your Epson. if you want something really bright, than I would suggest and UST. Like the Nexigo pro which is on kick starter right now for super cheap. If I had enough space, I would've definitely had gotten an UST instead. they are really bright.
Just ordered and sold the Epson so I hope I don’t miss those 3,000 lumens and enjoy the Hisense C1 laser technology.
@@DigitalPlaygroundTV Nice! I hope you do enjoy the HC1. Trust me when I tell you that it is a much better buy than the XHU. I just hope it’s bright enough for you. Btw, you’re lucky because I ordered mine about a week ago and paid 2k and right now it is currently 1,800 which is a great price.
Between this and the xgimi which should I get? I know one cost more, but if this ust projector can be mounted to ceiling would be the deciding factor? I don't want it on the ground or table up front. Does it mount to ceiling?
Funny you ask, I almost put that in the review. It does have the capability of being ceiling mounted. And that’s still might be what I do in my theater room as well.
And to answer your question, I would easily take this over the Xgimi
@Toid ok, it is ceiling mountable, then what screen to use? Alr only works from bottom, unless you hang screen upside down. I saw a comment below where someone mentioned wanting to use a AT.. how do ust work on transparent screens.. questions questions... sheesh.
Sorry which JVC is that? NX9? Its got the gold ring.
Was there any noticeable fan noise during movie watching ? That's pretty much the only reason I am considering Epson LS800
Not at all. Actually, it is probably one of the quietest projectors I’ve had.
How old is the lamp on that JVC? A lot of that difference is likely down to tonemapping assuming you're watching HDR - a projector from 2015 will never match the tonemapping of a modern display. If you'd use MadVR set up properly I'd bet a lot of the differences would diminish.
The gamut is of course still wider on the Thor (and it's still likely brighter) but properly restricted and calibrated to the content you're watching it shouldn't be so saturated - you're probably getting that overcooked look like Samsung Galaxy OLED phone screens etc.
I have seen a Formovie Theater and it is impressive for a DLP projector it simply cannot compare (in most cases) to a modern JVC like the NZ5 or similar especially in dark scenes.
Check it out here! ultimea-thor-t60-triple-laser.kckb.st/45a136f2
how does it look on white wall
It would work. But I really recommend in ALR screen. Or a Grey wall would be better. But these really break projectors it’s really easy to disperse the light everywhere and it will wash out the image some. But it will definitely work on a white wall
Vs AWOL 3500 PRO?
AWOL 3500 Pro is King.
@@jaychannel8558 But 4000 lumens?
@@MRSTEEL15 the Lumens are rumored to be overrated as well as the contrast. The AWOL projectors have a Ricoh F2.0 9 piece optical glass lens, the best in the category where most others have a 2 piece faux glass lens (like Thor). Lens is so much more important for picture quality than Lumens.
@@jaychannel8558 Thanks for that. I almost bought the Thor. Now back to AWOL 😆
why are you comparing an old jvc vs a brand new ultimea ?
What model is your JVC?
The RS-46u
So you are comparing a 10 year old JVC without HDR to a new laser projector with Dolby Vision? Interesting….
@@marcalvarado1915 it originally came out 10 years ago, this one isn’t that old. But if you notice the side by side tests were showing Prometheus in SDR. And this easily beat it even in SDR and SDR shadow content. It should give you a good idea if you already have a projector what the difference will be if you want to upgrade. Unfortunately I have no other UST projectors to directly compare it to.
Wish it had multiple HDMI 2.1 ports .
It does. It has two HDMI 2.1 ports. Check it out here: ultimea-thor-t60-triple-laser.kckb.st/45a136f2
Claiming this is better at blacks than a JVC is bold. While I really want this to be true, it's hard not to be skeptical. You mentioned the details, but that can be attributed to DTM or raised black floor. So two questions as I'm really curious:
- How's the black floor compared to the JVC?
- In terms of Dynamic Tone Mapping, does it offer it and how does it do?
Just to be clear, I am not claiming it has a better black floor than the JVC. The JVC did have a better black floor. However, the Ultimea has a much better range, which gives it better shadow detail in my testing environment.
It does have Dolby Vision and I think the tone mapping is great. But you can take a look at some of the video tests I put in there to see if it meets your expectations. It so say which one has Dolby Vision.
Thank you for the reply. Yea I guessed you were not talking about black floor, but just the detail that was coming out in low APL scenes. How's the black floor on this tho? On par with something like, let's say the 5050ub? Cause that would be my "acceptable range" which is why I disregard every UST pretty much until they get there.
About the range, I guess you mean contrast? That's a weird thing since native contrast wise on avforums I think you guys measured way below the rated 4000:1, and your NP5 has 10 times that amount right? Is this like the epson ls12000 where the native contrast on paper is lower but the intrascene contrast seems better?
I was waiting for the black friday to see if any jvc or the sony 5000es got some discounts here, but I'm open to alternatives ofc, so when I saw your video I got curious on this one since you're thinking of switching the JVC for it which is almost unheard of. JVC users don't even switch to the epson or sony due to the black levels. It's also a lot cheaper at least for now.@@Toid
Oh and just to confirm, this doesn't have laser dimming is that correct?@@Toid
@@robinv1485 I would say it’s probably fairly similar to the 5050. I haven’t personally seen that in my room, so it’s only an estimation. The JVC is a little tricky because they use dynamic contrast ratio. Even a lot of these laser projectors use what they call dynamic contrast, which is very misleading. You’d be correct when you say that this doesn’t have any type of laser, dimming or dynamic contrast. The number they give us a native contrast number. Which is much more indicative as to what you would actually receive.
@@Toid Nah, the JVC's NATIVE constrast is roughly 10x more. If we're talking dynamic, it'd be even higher.
Only issue is center channel. Most won't be able to fit or it will need to be on floor pointing up. Well that and no head to head with other UST projectors.
Hopefully I’ll get some more UST’s in to compare them side by side
I am professional video games player
What a downgrade in terms of contrast. Just get an 83" OLED and sit closer. Everything else is shit.