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- How much do footballers really sacrifice? talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin Keown have their say!
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Van Dyk is making 130 times my monthly wage in a week and tomorrow i start work at 5:30 so out of bed at 4:30âŠgood night and sleep well everybody
Tell footballers to work 40 hours a week on a minimum wage and theyâd be racing to get back to there âsacrificesâ
Learn the difference between âthereâ and âtheirâ and you wouldnât be working 40 hours a week for a tin of beans.
@@bs4754 Jesus⊠calm down
If you're working for minimum wage then you're not good at anything or you're a student supporting your grant. You're not an elite athlete for a start. To get to be a footballer, you need to be at it from the age of 8 and all the pressure that goes with it. My lad is in the system at 16, trust me he's worked his nuts off even to get a scholar. And by the way only the very best get close to the very top level.
He doesn't call it a sacrifice either, it's a life style choice.
@@bs4754 lol
This is the same issue Wenger, Alex Ferguson, Jose all stated back in the 90s and early 00s. Nothing has changed, the same amount of games are still played. If anything, you have bigger squads now, compared to back then. Also the pitches are a lot better now, sports science is better, diets, injury recovery. They didn't have that back in the 90s, when players like Owen, Keane and Shearer had really bad injuries. Look at the brazilian Ronaldo, he had a very bad injury, he still played on the dodgy pitches and when players would lunge in and tackle hard. What dd he think it was like in the 80s, 70s, 60s etc, These players today have it way more easier, I have no idea wht Van Dijk is talking about Family. He was out injured for nearly 10 Months, I reckon he spent loads of time at home. What does he think the normal every day person does when they work, they spend all day away from their family also. They are busting a gut just to live and provide a roof over their heads. Van Dijk will be retired in his late 30s, never having to work again. He can spend loads of time with his family, I think he is taking the p**s to be fair.
Use the squad then. It's a squad game. Complain to your manager if you're playing too much. If they want to play 20% less games then take a 20% pay cut. That's how it works in all industries.
That's not how football contracts work.
â@@goattm2 if you believe you're not fit then speak up.
@@andrewdickinson1981 never said he wasnât fit. He said thatâs not how football contracts work
@@andrewdickinson1981 Where did I mention fitness?
or ask to play less and give some wages back t pay a back up player... get sick of footballer sin this country , NBA Players play every other night with way more impact on the body. granted there mins are nearly half a footy game but they are engaged in double the action per match played .
Poor footballers. He got paid when he is off recovering. My heart Bleeds for them.
Simon is right. I work nearly 60 hours a week just to have a comfortable life. Look at the state of these football players crying, making 1m a month. It's absolutely shocking.
So whoâs fault is that then? Jealous is a terrible mindset to have
@@kingpooh6429 whoâs fault is it that footballers complain? Errrm, footballers! His point is that footballers complain, not that he is jealous because they are professional footballers and heâs not.
@@kingpooh6429 spoken like someone who's never worked a day in their life đ
Boo hoo for you Gavin.
Get over urself. Thatâs ur lot in life. Other people look at u and think u have it easy. So enough with the âoh they make so much money and they donât work as hard as me so they donât have anything to complain about.â Thatâs just more of that hate for millionaires and billionaires cuz âlife isnât fare.â When was the last time anyone was elbowing u in the face every week as a standard part of ur job?
Their paid 10-100 lifetimes worth of money for 10-15 years of an unusual workload for this very reason.
Yeah they are bloody insufferable at times
For 90 minutes of football where the ball is in play for what 75 - 80 minutes đ
Not even that much ball in play time, 55-68 mins tops. Joke innit.
Canât not like Simon always talks sense and isnât afraid to say it as it is
Simon is a charlatan
except he was happy to exploit those same people paying them shite wages that he now white knights for on his way to becoming insanely rich. It's a nice argument but not from him.
Stop chatting rubbish
Always talks sense? Theres many things he says that doesn't make any sense, and half of them him he keeps parroting knowing hes contradicting himself.
@@jamesfretwell1511few examples please
Take away replays to reward bigger clubs with bigger budgets, replays for small clubs can be MASSIVE. Use the full squad use the youth its very simple
Simon Jordan is STILL on top!
Facts
Simon = top lad proper clobber
@@MW92. I remember you from the live chat haha
Average worker gets 25 days holiday, footballers get that in the summer
No sick pay even though you hurt yourself on the job.
Boss same as the old boss a complete c@nt
Poor footballers I feel for them
2 weeks off a pro footballer gets, he has to return to the club after, do a bunch of tests, then start training for the new season, while also playing in a bunch of friendlies before the season starts.
What a pair - Best morning of the week when Martin comes in
That's fair
So Martin wants the exact same number of games, but a longer period of rest between games? That would mean a month less of rest time at the end of the season. That's the only way to make it work, extend the duration of a season.
I think he wants to add an extra month to the year, Julember.
Ofc ur a United fan đ€Ł canât get ur head around simple stuff. How does changing games from a Saturday morning to Saturday evening/Sunday if u play in Europe on Thursday take away an extra month of the year? đ€Łđ€Ł genuinely must be the dumbest fanbase on the planet
no, he's talking mostly about fixture arrangement. especially with Europa League + Conference League being on a thursday night. EPL teams should never play 2 games on one full day rest
â@@EddoYTThere's too many games, common sense should prevail. Why do we have things like the nations league? Players should not be playing in June and July between WCs and Euros. They should just say no.
He also wants to extend each year to 13 months to accommodate these footballers sacrifices and rest times.
When I was doing my apprenticeship I was working monday to friday 7 - 4, on fridays I'd finish work and go straight to my second job bouncing till 6 in the morning, saturdays 6pm to 6 am. I did that for 3 years straight. And i was doing boxing during the week. That was exhausting but I never complained about it. When I hear professional athletes who "work" 6-9 months out of a year complain about being tired makes me sick, to quote Roy Keane "its your job" .
So because your job is shitty, so should everyone else's be shitty too?
So you don't believe in fighting to get better conditions for yourself, but fighting to make everyone else conditions as shitty as yours?
Does that make sense to you?
What talent did you need for your job?
â@@goattm2 ah so having a level of ability takes more out of you than working for a living? Got it đ€Ł
â@@goattm2 so dismissive of your fellow man. Disappointing
Absolutely moronic comparison to make. It's a strange trait of the British to hear that someone might have it bad and their response is to immediately make it about themselves with a "you think you have it bad, I bluddy av ter geddup at six!". Nobody cares about your apprenticeship, it has absolutely no relevance to muscle fatigue in footballers. You're assuming this is psychological issue for footballers, like they just can't be bothered playing 2-3 games a week all season. It isn't - it's a physical issue. It doesn't matter how much they are getting paid, there comes a point where your body burns out.
I work 8 hours in a warhorse heavy manual labour 6 a.m till 2 p.m walk 45 mins each way then go the gym 5 times a week for 1.5 hours for ÂŁ10 an hour. Don't tell me about tiredness. Makes me sick
Well said!
You should have been a footballer then
Why aren't you a pro footballer then?
Most don't have what it takes, because of the intensity... earning millions doesn't mean you're less of a human.
@@ashermaleba2267 Not everyone has the talent or had the opportunity to play football since a young age.
@@ashermaleba2267 means better recovery. Better surgeons, better physio, better food, better drink all round better lifestyle. Train 5 hours go home and chill. Most people get injured playing recreational football but still go to work on the Monday if theyâre lucky and if not they wonât be paid.
Keown talking nonsense! No idea what the average man has to put up with. Iâve worked in construction 30 years labouring, nearly died twice, seen people die, injured multiple times and I get ÂŁ400 per week. Footballers have no clue what real lifeâs like, knock me sick!
Well different lives, different problems. A big issue to you may be pretty small to them and vice versa. Anyways, since it's a load of bullocks, why didn't you become a pro footballer..
Martin Keown ⊠the gift that keeps on giving.
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Thick as a submarine door.
@@steveredman2439 invincible đâșïž
Keown: Players need longer rest breaks
Also Keown: wOrLd CuP eVeRy tWo YeArS
What a dunce.
I think heâs talking about throughout a season not tournaments that come every couple seasons.
You can easily believe both of this things at the same time once you maintain there is a fair amount of time between the games and the scheduling is done better
The only thing thatâs dunce like is you not thinking more than 2 seconds before posting this
Truth is he's split between wanting to look good to the young players and also support his mate Arsne.
Simon said one thing perfectly. You can highlight a problem all you want but unless you provide a solution to that problem your going nowhere.
The solutions I think of are the following:
1. Get rid of International friendlies i.e Home Nations, friendly matches. Anything that's not either qualifucation to a big tournament or the tournament itself. This will reduce the games top players play and also allow the domestic leagues to spread their games out more. Downside is the money side of the game where whoever benefits from these friendlies will be affected.
2. A forced limit how many games a player can play domestically i.e each player is only allowed to play 30 games each season for a club. This will provide the neccessary breaks but the players, managers, clubs and sponsors will hate this. The benefit would be that it would force managers to use the full squad and maybe younger players will get chances to showcase themselves.
These are the only solutions I can think of. Neither is ideal but if it is a big enough issue then the solution must be equally big enough to solve it.
For me I like the nations league cause it's made the internationals more competitive, but I think the league cup should only be contested by teams not playing in Europe that season
Sacrifice? Virgil could pay my mortgage off with 9 days of his wage. I work 12 hour shifts to pay for it and itâll take me 28 more years. He can do one.
Yeah it's out of touch
yeah as if Virgil didn't have to work his backside off to get where he is today. If it's so easy why didn't I become a footballer, why didn't you become one?
So why don't you sacrifice to become a pro footballer if its so easy?
Seems to me that the obvious solution would be to scrap international friendlies and tournaments like the Nations League and just play the tournaments Euros(or the equivalents for other continents), the World Cup. Every international break takes away 2 mid-week fixture dates and 1 weekend fixture date and we usually have 4-5 of the them in a season so I think that is where one can find the extra time that the players are supposedly asking for.
You could reserve 4 weeks for a holiday, 4 for a pre-season, 6 weeks for a tournament (or to play qualifiers for the tournament) and leave the rest for the club season. You'd have 38 weeks left so assuming 1 weekend fixture and 1 mid-week fixture, you have 76 possible dates to accommodate 66 fixtures so you have the room in the calendar to fit in a mid-season break. Also, because there are no international breaks during the club season, you can play twice in 8 days instead of thrice in 9 days and get more of a break, while also playing fewer matches overall because there are no international friendlies.
I'm not an expert on the financial and logistical details of fixture scheduling but looks like the only way to have fewer matches is to cut down on the international fixtures because the finances of club football make it impossible to cut down fixtures.
Players should just say No to international duty if they have been injured! They just wonât, thatâs the issue!
no way they scrap international friendlies and nations league my man.. UEFA and international football conferences need da money too.
âI hadnât finishedâ hahahahahahah
Just beautiful to watch lol đ
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"Well finish then" hahaha
Well ten hag ainât complaining we have been playing every 3 days since the World Cup
He will do next season when the squad feel the effects of it.
You canât have it both ways. Footballers can actually play a game every day. Itâs just that the quality would be really lacking and there would be far more injuries. This argument is basically everyday people saying I do my job 5 days a week. So should you for that money
Sadly the human body canât sustain the physicality of elite football everyday no matter how much money you give a player
Exactly. We want to see the best players at their highest level of performance playing against each other. And extra 100k a week doesn't speed up recovery
Perfectly spot on, I think everyone has become way to FASCINATED by how much footballers earn rather than basic well-being. No matter how much money can be pumped into physical development can make them play every 3-4 days at a prominent level over a 4-5-year period without any muscular/non-contact injury. How can we be entertained when they are not playing.
Look at Rooney, Perfect example Pedri is facing muscular injuries after playing over 60 games straight
And it's a short career as well. You don't see Zidane still out on the pitch at 50 years of age
I knew what Simon would say even before he started
Yeah. It was in the title of the video
Bruno fernandes says hi Virgil. This guys played every single minute of every game for about 3 months since December
Didnât realise he was also returning from a cruciate ligament op
@@davidpeters3857 Iâm sure VVD had played every single game before that injury though. Be interesting to see if the same thing happens to Bruno though, then weâll know it has to be burnout that causes this
Martin Keown can not win this argument. Going in for "training' when it involves getting massaged for an hour then practicing some passing etc is not hard. Pre season is when the fitness training occurs and that would be horrid. But the rest of the season is tactics and the fitness is kept playing games.
You know this from your medical degree do you? Why do footballers ever stop playing then if playing keeps you fit? Thereâs obviously a balance and too much of anything can be harmful and considering itâs backed up by the increased injuries in congested fixture runs itâs undeniable
I need proof of your claim
Lol one can tell you've never played sports đ€Łđ€Ł
Pms are you siding with simon hahaha ya kno he is good at debating and english, big words etc.
But Martin is a professional sportsman and has walked the walk he knows!...simons always got a gobfull of spit and something to say.
â@@rexrickard6333Simon them mps who got pay rises for no reason
the bottom line is what Simon is saying, the scheduling and fixture lists of football is tightly intertwined with the economic side of it, which has become so enormous that it needed this frequency of games in a year. If footballers wanna rest more, then they would need to be ready to accept lesser pay, that is the gist of it.
73 games in 365 days. Gutted for the lad
Nurses and nursing assistants and cops put in sacrifices, million pound earning footballers do not.
Is there an audience for people like nurses and cops then? Do millions of people want to watch them do their job and spend their money on watching them? No there isnât, so how do you suppose nurses get paid footballer level wages when there isnât a market to sell it on?
He never said that did he? Nurses sacrifice not these overpaid pansies
Canât argue that nurses and cops deserve millions, of course notâŠIâm just saying that they sacrifice far more than elite footballers. Chronic shift work literally kills you, and people doing shift work forever are often in the low rungs of society. Have you ever seen a footballers schedule? They train in the morning then go home at lunchtime. They do not put in sacrifices and Iâll never ever feel sorry for them on the basis of their job being hard.
@@craigderby4416No one made them take the job
@@JAEGATS ye I no that? What's your point
Itâs not about sacrifice but it is about performance, this World Cup was the best Iâve seen and I think itâs because when itâs usually played in the summer players come into the tournament drained after the season, whilst this time they were fresh
yes i said this to a few ppl,they were still in mid season form for this World Cup,but now how does this affect the club teams,do the players get even more tired more quickly now because of a mid season World Cup??discussion can go on for days
Love Simon heâs absolutely bang on, I work everyday Monday to Friday 60 hour weeks on minimum wage to get by while everything is going up! They shouldnât complain theyâve got it sssooooo EASY compared to normal people like me! There salary is ridiculous!!!
they got it easy? why didn't you become a footballer then? Not because of talent I bet but because you wouldn't have worked as hard as they did while being kids
@@Resonance971 it is genetic that's why asian due to being smaller in size are not performing at top level in football...not all people have genetic and talent...world is unfair but nobody care about average people then why should we feel sorry for rich footballers
You work 5 12hr shifts a week for minimum wage? That's brutal. You a careworker or something?
Martin Keown is so off this world. Simon well done, noemal people work harder sacrificing time with family
To be a top pro footballer you have to sacrifice your childhood - Simon is clueless about how they even get to such a level to begin with. Wonder how many 16 yr olds Simon knows who worked tirelessly to achieve their dreams sacrificing weekends.
It's not much of a sacrifice when you're playing a game you love, with the prospect of making a career out of it.
@@chinaallthetime69 Even if you love the game you still have to work your backside off to get to the top. Jamie Vardy wasn't told he was going to be a millionaire and famous when he was young, the guy had a rough upbringing and he had to work hard to earn those big wages in the first place, and win the PL, FA cup, golden boot, play in the UCL etc
Simply put if anyone csn do it everyone should be doing it. Iâve tested athletes their numbers are insane. Everyone thinks they can be a footballer. Donât kid yourself, the pace, stamina and strength required for the sport is ridiculous and would see most people pick up an injury within a month that ruled them out for the rest of the season. Their durability is insane. For example most people think they can play in the nba till they have to play for 15 minutes then realise these guys are pure athletes, even something like f1, the corners the turn and the amount of g force produced would snap the average persons neck. Theyâre paid insane because theyâve been dedicated and honed their craft to insane figures.
The few footballers who in theory average a game a week over the course of 12 months don't actually play that many matches as they are rested as and when necessary throughout the season. Even guys like De Bruyne and Haaland have been rotated a bunch of times this season. The reality is there are 38 league games and then maybe a handful of important cup games at the tail end of the season, after which they get a complete break for a month or so. I don't think the demands on modern players are quite as punishing as Martin suggests.
Weâre talking about the players playing 50+ game season plus international fixtures. The amount of games cramped into a short space of time is very taxing on the body regardless of the amount of money they make.
I play at the bottom of semi pro footy. We had to play 2 games a week for the past month. Just one month. We have had 9-10 injuries. By the end of that month i had a new found respect for pro players that do it at the highest level week after week.
@@bizarresportynerd6136 What do you think about top tennis players playing up to 70 or 80 matches a year while living out of a suitcase because the tournaments are all over the world? That's a demanding schedule but you don't hear them complaining about it. They just get fit and get on with it.
@@danielward7008 well tennis is a completely different ball game (literally). But tennis players have no physical contact so I wouldnât really compare the two but i get where youâre coming from.
Squads are massive now a days. Don't see the problem. If you are fit and able then play. Most of us dreamed of being a professional footballer when we were young, but only the lucky, talented, hard working ones make it.
Is there any data on injuries / recovery times. How would it be if the number of days between games for pro players was given as a minimum of 5? Would that help players avoid more injuries? I don't know - I just wonder if there is any research?
I think the biggest hardship for elite footballers is to endure all the criticism and social bullying. Look at what happens to Nymar, Ronaldo, etc ( not fan of either btw)
Not to mention managers getting it even worse. Graham Potter getting death threats, Simon Jordan says "it just comes with the territory". Imagine a CEO (on similar money to footballers) and receiving death threats for how they conduct their daily working duties
they sell social media posts for 500k each.. im sure that eases some bad words
@@leonhughes9014 oh yeah that's fine then just racially abuse them as you see fit
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere no one mentioned race... its people like you who constantly mention colour are the problem. you can't get rid of racism, its extremely dull to think so. but what tyou can do is stop brining it up so that young people have a lear perspective.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere donât need to imagine. Happens to all of them.
Sacrifice is a bad word as it suggests you give your life (or some of it) for nothing in return, players sacrifice nothing, They INVEST , their time, their effort , they sweat, their bodies and they get a return on that investment. A MASSIVE return
What's funny is most people work 9 to 5 and look forward to their hobby of playing or watching football at the weekend watching people who should feel privileged to have a 10 15 year career which is gonna leave them set for life when they retire before even midlife and they still find ways to complain about it.. it honestly is ridiculous..
I've been working with a 64 year old year man today who put 5 tonne of tarmac down on the roads ,which he has done everyday for years .join the real world .
Guy should have worked harder at school.
Or become a footballer
Didn`t hear Simone talking about "money" when Chelsea spent a fortune this winter. He was saying "Don`t mind someone else pocket". Also, he was saying, it is not footballers fault some else is happy to pay that amount. And here, he is suddenly talking about footballers money and compare it to other people in this country. Basically, he uses it to fit his narrative. You either happy with amount money in the football or not. They are simply doing their job as anybody else in this world. Cause same can be applied to other high-earners, including singers, actors and celebrities.
I haven't been a listener for that long but my gauge is that Simon is a ultra capitalist above all else....maximising profit and minimising cost,I think whats hard for him to swallow with today's football economics is players are earning as much as VC of hedge funds and CEOs when for most of those teams there isn't an added value to having those players on enormous wages...with how the epl works,as long as you're average you are guaranteed over 110mil per season...I thinks he needs to change his mindset on where he sees the players in the football food chain...Good to great players are their own economies in a way...not saying they are bigger than the clubs and their supporters but if you are that player who's great and is global there is no way you are going to cap their earning potential or hold down their salaries just cos you think it's alot....for example over the last decade it didn't matter who was playing alongside Messi people both away and home matches went to see him play,they were selling out stadiums which led to a famous production company to curate a show centered around messi(they did that for global musical acts),people were going to watch shows based on the greatness of a football player so you can't tell me with that much attention that equates to dollar amounts that certain players aren't worthy of the money they are getting despite is being enormous to the common man...most of the great players aren't workers they do partnerships with their teams....for instance when PSG got neymar for 200m,do you think they were only interested in his footballing exploits or did they see him as an opportunity and their way into the Latin Market cos of who he is outside of playing football
What a tube you are
Chasing the sun - a must watch. Although related to rugby the first thing the springbok coach did in a failing team is make them realise how privileged they are. And put it in perspective rugby players get Sunday off with Monday to Friday having 3 sessions. 1 gym 1 tactical and one fitness. A much more difficult lifestyle arguably
I work 5 days a week and go training and play on a Sunday lol this has to be a joke đ sacrifice is when I have to work the Saturday and play Sunday and still have no money đđ€Ł
Only thing I will say in Keowns defence is that everyone keeps harping on about what theyâre paid, but no amount of money can buy away fatigue, muscle ache, joint ache. Which then hinders top players from performing, criticism then gets given by the fans saying youâre paid to be perform at this level, so players therefore want to prove themselves so play as much as possible etc. Vicious cycle, their bank accounts donât make the physical demand any easier, theyâre bodies are human just like everyone elseâs. However I agree that itâs the players choice to play the 50-60 games a season, could easily ask for a rest every now n then, wouldnât affect the fans or clubs opinion of them
Only sensible comment I have seen. Everyone else seems to be licking Simon's behind.
Nonsense if they don't like the aches and pains retire then if no amount of money can help that đ€Ł they get paid while injured as well no other real life job pays you to have a year of like van dijk had
@@Jakealexcliff agreed
@@Jakealexcliff youâve clearly not had much involvement in football mate so Iâll try make this simple for ya, name me a time where youâve been in pain or genuinely knackered and you paid to get rid of it? Such a weird thing to say, acting like being wealthy makes u exempt from injury and fatigue. As I said, they have every opportunity to ask for a rest itâs not going to affect them being picked when they are fit, but ur goin on like if a pro baller pulled their hammy this weekend they should just wrap it in doe n theyâll heal quicker đđđđ
The solution is play to get paid in their contracts. Add clauses for injuries, sickness, family emergencies, compassionate leave etc. But if someone is in the line up, on the bench, or at least prepared for 50 games, pay that player. If a player is burnt out, needs rest, wants load management or anything like that then a percentage comes out their wage. Imo it's a decent compromise.
That doesn't work because for ons reason or another a player might get benched or left out of the match day squad or sent to practice with the under21 team,the player will they claim their is some kind of collusion btwn upper management and the coach to void his guarantees cos he didn't meet those markers that mightve nothing to do with his play...sounds like lawsuits waiting to happen
The way it works best is through insentivising via the bonuses in the contract not pay cuts...ie if you play 90% of the game there is an extra amount you get...if we win the champions league you get an extra amount but you must've played all through the knockout stages
I hear what your saying, but that's why I said if a player is at least prepared to play that should be fine. Clauses in contracts can address a lot of what you said aswell. I'll give you an example, I'm a West Ham fan (god help me) we paid 50 million for Andy Carrol who averaged 18 games for us over 6 seasons and got paid 90k a week. đ€š. Paying 90k a week for a player who in the end needed ankle surgery and was out 80% of the 18/19 season never sat well with me. Pay in conciliation to availability in these cases should be put into contracts - Carroll should've had a percentage deducted from his wage simply because he wasn't there to do his job, say 40%. He'd still be earning 36k a week to sit on the couch! In total contrast to my job, if I'm injured or I'm sick, I have an allocated amount of sick pay but once that's over I'm not getting paid anything đ. Some of these players are being paid a fortune, I think it's fair to be at least available to play in order to be entitled for full pay.
Letâs not forget the sacrifice is over a very short career in the relative sense and for a serious money
Just get on with it. Most people work five days a week for an annual salary that these football players earn in a few days. They get world class facilities/medical/meal preparations to go training and play a couple games a week. Then they can retire 35 years before the ordinary bloke đ
Itâs one of those things where everyone is right. Thereâs too many games and it effects player health leading to more injury, and also thereâs no way to fix it because the bills need to be paid and the players arenât going to take pay cuts over it. It is the definition of âit is what it is.â
Keown still lives in the bubble that all the footballers live in today.Ultra privileged,multimillionaires by their early 20s,a few hours training,loads of hours on social media.What a life.
They have got to work hard and be gifted to be a premier league footballers if it was that easy we would all be able to sign for a top club
They deserve the money they get most have them have made sacrifices since early childhood to get where they are
Privileged how?
â@@Dan-mm1ylthat's what these fat bums dont understand. IF IT WERE THAT EASY, WE'D ALL DOING IT. PLUS, THEY EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE MAKING THAT MONEY.
ââ@@Yourbobness They get paid millions, train for 2 hours a day, play football in front of thousands of adoring fans, have the best coaches, physicians, dieticians, have their own chefs, agents, get free tickets to events, etc...
They live a 5 star lifestyle and retire in their 30's with a great life still ahead of them!
Do you live on planet earth or what?
You omiited the obligatory fancy haircuts, tattoos, flash cars, women....
So can Joe blogs call up heâs boss on a Wednesday and say heâs not coming to work today because heâs âburned outâ? đ
i mean if orur playing on a Thursday in Europe then back on Saturday early kick off yeah maybe a little tired etc.... but training 2/3 hours a day then having massages and your chef cook food for you.... cmon lol people work 12 hours 6 days a week that tiring
Jim said Arteta was complaining about that but they havenât played a Europa league match since BEFORE the World Cup. So I believe he was referring to the game they played Wednesday AT HOME vs Everton. Not like he needed his full strength team to deal with that.đđđ
They can rest when they retire at 35 36 or 37,itâs like saying a man or women can not work 5-6 days a week bloody ridiculous argument eee
Are we forgetting that in between the training sessions and games, players also have classroom and tactical sessions, travelling, media, charity etc. Its all full time work.
I donât care how much youâre paid, you have the same number of available hours in the week that youâre limited by. I donât care how fit you are, there are physical limits. I donât care how looked after you are, worldwide attention and expectations weigh on your mental well-being.
If itâs that much of a hardship, letâs see how many players rip up their contract, and get an office job on ÂŁ20,000 a year working 9 to 5 yeah?
3 hrs a day? Full time work? R u for real?
ââ@@JamesSmith-ds2hind mps have full time job say yes like kids right but get pay rise every month bus and trains sit down all day but get pay rise every few months too if we going cut money cut it at mps landlord's renting prices so we can live
Does Martin understand less games mean less money coming in to the world of football? Not everyone is a Manchester United or Manchester City, Martin.
Simon is bang on
So Virgil has to make these huge sacrifices by eating right and getting treatment everyday for any injury đ€Ł it's embarrassing.
Coaches can rotate players more. Players can retire from the international game. You Could play for a club that isnât playing in Europe and only plays once a week for more ârestâ
They should just add a cap on the number of games a player is allowed to play per season and force teams to use the squad + youth players
No player can play more than 50 competitive games in total in a season (inclusive of all cups)
All registered players must start at least 15 competitive club fixtures in a season unless they cannot due to injury
If they don't have the first team players available then bring in youth players.
No players can be called up for international duty if they have missed any club fixtures due to injury in the last 30 days.
No player can play more than 3 international fixtures in a row
No more long haul flights for pre season, mid season or end of season friendlies, as travel will no doubt take its toll eventually too.
The issue is that clubs and players really don't actually care about playing too many games, they want as much revenue as possible and use burnout as an excuse when things don't go their way.
Itâs ALL SKYâS FAULT going back to 1992, corrupting the game with too much money..
The thing that's caught up with Dick Van Dyke is his age... he's 93đSame with Kompany and Rio, couldn't continue to coast through games, with their pace getting them out of trouble in their 30's!!!
For me, dick van dyke is no longer the player he was.
VVD- IS SO VERY SPECIAL- 38 PL matches, ALL 3 CUP GAMES- ALL International games and All World Cup games- It's just a matter of time before it catches up on the body! (YNWA)
Simon is wrong here. The players train with the ball for 2 hours, but they also do gym work and recovery work so in total in takes 6 hours per day at least. However, it's not a sacrifice.
Simon tried to bait Keown into a fight, but Keown showed his class here
Wow what sacrifice, the poor lambs
@@craigderby4416 huh?
Does anybody in the world actually agree with keownđ, 2 hours a day all meals cooked and massaged , or ye and 200 k a week for doing so
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Sir Spectre, Sir Mark and Sir Simon = Top LADS Proper Clobber. No idea why my comments keep disappearing mate.
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It's that tough we regularly see footballers quit football to go and work like normal people. Oh wait there no we don't.
Love Fridays when keowns in there going at it with Simon
Love listening to Simon
Dont have premier league teams play the first team in carabao or FA cup then. Give the others a chance and that will also be good for the lower league teams to progress and make more money
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When a footballer tells their club donât pay me so much and safe the money to invest in the squad so we can rotate I will agree with Martin
The smirk between Jim and Simon at 2.44 is perfect!!
Squad size should be 25. A few more top players gives managers more options for purchase and rotation. Hell even baseball gets a 27 man roster.
U21 dont count, so most clubs have a larger squad with youngsters. The solution is use a squad, not less games. But that doesn't suit the top clubs, that's the issue.
All martin said was the players need a little bit more rest to give 100% in each game Simon bring money in to it that's all Simon bring everything back to.
It not the season it's the managers.
Use your full squad, give the youngsters more chances.
If I hear one more player complaining about it, or someone defending them for complaining about it I'm gonna throw a hissy fit.
Shall we put a limit on the amount of games a player can play each season, I'm sure that'll shut them up.
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Managers have a Squad of 26 players and the top clubs have better depth in that squad the managers should utilise that squad depth more to give players the rest they so desperately crave.
its called having a squad and rotation. yes am sure they wanna play tho keown wants everyone too rest so u have same 11 playes on pitch and u spread games out so they recover from injury wat crazyness
The only thing I can think of is time and that is it
Simon Jordan - one year as a Premier League chairman. Yet thinks he knows better than any player, manager or fan whoâs walked the face of the earth.
He knows better than you for absolute sure!
Heâs right tho isnât he , Iâm guessing you donât work
That's why he failed.
â@@truthhurts8924only knows big words and failed owner
â@@cheesybellend6842if we going cry about money then cry about mps who do nothing but get rise every few months noone says anything movie stars and landlords so people like me who can never afford to get my own place well done government selfish gits I work 6 days a week
Oh no have to come in and train for a couple hours every day. Most people watching or in the comments will have worked a 6 or 7 day week on occasion doing 9+ hour shifts for pennies compared to what footballers are paid. Anyone would die at the chanvce to earn that money working few hours a day. If the players want less games give them less games and take the wages that come with them.
Thats it tailor make everything for all the teams with bigger squads and more money⊠if your not fit rest and let someone else in the squad take your place. 4 day weeks where you only do 2/3 hours a day and do nothing what so ever
A comeback from an injury like that is difficult. But if you're talking about burnout Fernandez is top of that list. [Knock on wood.]
I m just waiting for his decline in March!
He didn't have bad knee injury when someone thought it would be funny to do to him
Its easy to fix just make a rule saying every player in a 25 man squad must play a percentage of football each season, then top players have to be rested đ€·ââïž
Footballers are athletes, all young men, whose literal job is to push a ball back and forth a couple of times a week. They go into training five/six days a week, plop the ball around for a few hours, and then they go home at like 11-12 AM and have the entire rest of the day off. People twice these footballers' age have back-breaking jobs that they work 40 hours a week, and you don't hear them whinging about it half as loudly as the footballers! You make astronomical amounts of money every week to play ball, so shut up and get on with it.
Easily fixable: play less games (far too many games in many cases avoidable), earn less money (diminishing the product the rewards will be lower). Simples!
Yeah I agree, "sacrifice" shouldn't be a word in a professional footballers mouth. They don't know the meaning of the word. Commitment to their profession, sure, but not "sacrifice".
Itâs the manager duty to rest players or sub them in/out
Footballers should never even hint at their so called sacrifice and having to play lots of games. The reason they earn 6 years worth of money in one week, is because they play these games. If they donât want to they could become a part time accountant. No one is stopping them. They should be bowing down and slapping their own face with gratitude every time they talk
Footballers donât sacrifice anything. Itâs their job to train all week and play football matches. Hardly difficult work.
Mental rest is just as important as body rest, my wife works in mental health treatment, you have no idea how much of a strain that is.
My mother told me long ago, she would have rather my father had beat her, other than express his difficulties through his mind games .
Yes, footballers, they are highly paid, but they have difficulties as everyone does. Money doesn't buy sanity.
They are not machines lest we forget, you never know what someone is going through.
P.s My father and I have reconciled, I love him dearly :)
Van dijk is probably playing elite level competition for 5-6 yrs and talks about burnout. Messi Ronaldo Rooney Benzema people like them performed in an elite level for 10-15 years and never made a sound.
Take money off the table for a minute. As fans you want your team to win every game.
Do we want our best players on the park every match, in the best possible condition they can be or do we want them at 85% ? Less games may be the difference of that 15% and that could be the difference between winning vs not winning.
The money they earn is a joke regardless of the number of games they play. Their wages should be a low base salary heavily topped up with win bonuses as a squad not an individual
Can we stop mps and train people get pay rise for sitting down all day teaches sit down all day too and buses but they want rise every month is that allowed? Movies stars landlord's should I go on
Simon's bang on the money here as always
People on here claiming they are better than professional athletes because they work in a warehouse is just cracking me up đ
They should leave their 12 hour shift minimum wage jobs and sign for a premier league club if its that easy.
But it ain't and they can't
Footballers at the top get paid so we'll because not many people can do it
That's not what anyone is saying, you must be thicker than a whales lip if you don't understand?
@@Dan-mm1yl LMAO!! Exactly!
Spot on Simon.
Apart from the wages footballers have the best of everything and are protected from the real world issues which we all have to deal with.
I think you could say that footballers sacrificed a lot to get to the point where theyâre at now. And theyâve all had to work hard to become an elite level footballer. Thatâs fair. But when theyâre on millions of pounds a year. Sometimes even weekly. I donât think anyone can say they sacrifice things now. Theyâve earned this luxury life, and its not their problem that the money in football is ridiculous. But, to say that having a personal chef, physio, trainer, therapist etc is sacrifice. Only training 2 hours a day, having a day off here and there. Spending time with your family most of the time- a lot more than average people-I think thatâs a stretch. Anyone would dream about having the life these guys do.. and footballers are in a very fortunate position.
Just take all prem teams who finish in European places, out of the league cup. Gives them midweek breaks, allows someone outside the 'top 6' to win a trophy, and spreads the fixture list for the teams in champs/Europa league