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Always look forward to Friday’s to hear Martin and Simon have they’re weekly squabble 😂
@@philbrainy2399 Top LAD*
Their*
Why did you write "they're" here? "They're" means "they are", which does not fit into your sentence.
@@muzorewi A Simon Jordan like observation: Get you grammar right, punk.
@@muzorewi Its a mistake you neek
The sexual tension between these two is something else
Lmfaoooooo best comment I’ve read in ages 😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👍
Too funny 🤣
But lay off that idea El señor Jordan is mine🥰👨🏼🏫💙🙏❤🇬🇧
Proper student comment that
@@kieranmccarthy6072 you are bang on the 💰
I am somewhat immature myself but El señor Jordan is certainly my ideal man and I'm una mujer una chica👍
There is no way keown defends Simon to the hilt behind closed doors aha you can tell it's exactly the opposite!
You're just typing facts now.
🔑 owen is a gab$hit€ boring droll gumf constant 😴 🙄 he is bbc ❄ level and brown 👃 to Mr crisps who hates the west and made his earning on the back of the flag he despises. 🔑 owen cannot compete with the intellectual standards of El señor Jordan....
He also cannot grasp players are paid in a different stratosphere from his arsenal days. NB = MATT LE TISSIER IS ON PODCASTS JAMES ENGLISH OTHERS & HAS A GOOD GETTR CHANNEL👏👏👏
Nah as much as I bash Martin at times I can actually see him doing that. He clearly is an honorable guy although a little misguided. Simon probably is less brash when off air so they probably get along ok which Martin could defend.
@@hellalive8973 of course, it's part of the job. One of them had to have a different view or opposite opinion, otherwise it would be boring, people agreeing, there would be no show. He will probably have it in his remit to cause an uproar or cause friction so as to get a reaction. Reporters have the dame remit, to ask questions that revoke a response or difference of opinion, or get some information that wasn't meant to be released. He is honest, and gives his opinion, but I do believe he is also instructed to wind up guests, co hosts or callers so there is some content to debate on. Same as Jim will sometimes disagree, and I believe that it's just so that there is two sides to the argument. They will get on outside of the show, as they know it's nothing personal, it's part of the show and they are in the media industry.
why’s that, how can u tell
Simon must love it waking up every Friday morning knowing he's got to do a show with Martin Keown.
4:05 when Jim looks straight into the camera 😂 you know he’s saying Martin is getting grilled
Yeah but that Jim guy is a muppet himself.
Who cares about Jim. It's about Mr Jordan & 🔑 owned
El señor Jordan owns him in every debate. ❄ bbc 🔑 owned
Jims a clown he’s up Simon’s ass
@@emushow9315 Jim's just the mediator to keep the debate going, and sets either up for the difference of opinion, and winds both up.. "What do you think about what so and so has said? Do you agree?" he's basically making sure that the stirring continues.
@@UKKC80s facts
Simon Jordon is purely the reason I listen to talksport now, could listen to him all day
Don’t forget the sexy and beautiful Laura Woods 🤣
@@fakeitalian1483 hahahahhah
Yup, he’s the reason why I started listening to TalkSport
Climb out of his backside.
I actually hate keown being on, such a waste of airtime.
These get so heated, I honestly think Martin is going to either cry or hit out at Simon. I am literally in my car, listening and then waiting for an outburst that seems to be on the brink of occurring. Anyway, Martin doesn't address the question: What are players prepared to forgoe in order to play less or have longer breaks? Because Simon is right, that is how it would work, there'd need to be a compromise.
simon's right but he is so smug and arrogant about it. (he knows he's always right)
@@Sauvage_Foxes when he’s surrounded by idiots, it’s hard to not be arrogant
@@Sauvage_Foxes not hard to be right against Martin aha
Simon isn't smug. It would be a mission in itself tolerating gumf from
🔑- owned
@@stevendonovan7564 not wrong !!
the pique interview with Neville recently was eye opening…drop kids off at 0900, get to work for 0930, meetings and training till 1100, then rest of the day to do what you want.
In any other career, that is an absolute joke.
Apparently when poch went into spurs, they were amazed they might have to work afternoons to talk tactics
These players don’t know what hard work is
They are doing their hobby for big bucks
Get on with it
As much as I agree with you if you were good enough at football to be in their position I doubt you’d see it that way…
Perhaps he would as people around him would tell him as much. Players are overpaid. End of story.
@@nuncaolvidare4895 nobody gives anyone free money, clubs makes money out of the players. It's a business not a charity. I work max 3 hours a day & get 170k a year doesn't mean people who work in MacDonald for 10 hours a day gets the same. World has changed company/business gives salary according to the worth they bring to the table.
Yeah driver David knows What hard work is., Lmfao what next pay equal money to data analyst & plumber 🤣
@@Fire-tm5bi exactly my point I think they’re overpaid don’t get wrong but you can say actors, musicians anyone in a job that pays millions of dollars are overpaid like the mbappe deal it’s not mbappe fault PSG are willing to pay him 4m a week and let him run the club players are worth how a club deems them to be worth
Martin Keown : Danny Murphy didn’t play as much as me
Danny Murphy played in the 2001 team which was a record 63 games that season
“Invincible “ Martin keown
Why lie? It’s funny people will just like blatant lies.
@@arsmaster who’s lying ? What lie
There is a better one that season. Gary McAllister played 49 games that season at 36 years old. He even played the whole 120 minutes of the UFEA final.
@@VR46314 I looked at the wrong season. Apologies. But still if you look the squads are being rotated more and the international fixture congestion is less. For me it’s about minutes played not appearances and also about travel. Danny Murphy played 6 internationals that season I don’t think any90 minute performances. England has played like 20 games this season. It’s beyond ridiculous. Why should players take a club wage cut when they’re actually requesting less international games.
His so called "Invincible" team only won one trophy that season and couldn't beat Man Utd or even Portsmouth. Arsenal drew with both Utd and Portsmouth twice in the league that season. Hardly invincible!! LOL
Find it hard to relate when I work on average 6 days a week just to keep a roof over my head, and I earn decently enough, so people on lower wages are struggling even more than me. Wish I got paid 6 figures a week, I'd play 7 days a week for that.
It's impossible to relate, thing is if you played football 7 days a week at a high level you will get seriously injured you will make basic mistakes that cost your team points. What Martin is going on about here is when arsenal had to play 4 games in 12 days and ended up losing 3 of them. Important games too. Fa cup semi final and a champions league quarter final
Martin - don't disrespect player.
Martin- Danny didn't play at a level like me and play as much as me
@@vaultmarketplaceltd1901 Simon speaks sense which is that the players expect to have everything their way and to have no kind of compromise. If they play less games then they should be paid less. Why is this so difficult for players/ex players to understand
@@stevendonovan7564 because players are the essence of the game
@@qinfo8891 at the end of the day, they are employers. They shouldn’t just get whatever they want. They are already massively overpaid yet still aren’t happy
Bang on it ma amigo👌
Ref amount of games played MK 585 and 8 goals, DM 600 and 81 goals. SO! and as for the level, i believe that is debatable, Arsenal ha.
Simon Jordan has keown and Sinclair in his back pocket every week and Jim white loves it😂
Truth lol
We all love it mate 😂 😂
That's why I watch it Wednesday and Friday. Martin and Trevor are so thick
Not the brightest pair.
Trev and 🔑 owned are a mission of endurance at times 😟
Agree with Simon on this, I can't see players taking a pay cut for days off for recovery.
you can just remove the carabao cup, it wont impact anyone pocket
Simon, you are 100% correct. The players, even the ones we love are unbelievably greedy. It’s all about money. Very few of them show any loyalty towards the fans and the clubs that provide the platform for them to enhance their reputations. There are too many games however, and the internationals should never be played during a season.
why would they show loyalty to clubs who ditch them at any moment? the average person doesn’t show loyalty to their boss but you expect professional athletes to do it?
@@marcelohendrix6139 Yh well the average person doesn’t get millions doing what they love , let’s be real .
@@elvisishakmboni4333 you’re viewing it from your own lens to them it’s just a regular job.. the same way the average joe treats their job is the same way athletes should treat their jobs as well
@@marcelohendrix6139 *"why would they show loyalty to clubs who ditch them at any moment? "* Ditch them at any moment by giving them 4/5 year contracts? Not all average people are being paid by their fanbases and then stick two fingers up at them when they're not playing during the lockdowns because they don't want to give up their non-earned salaries?
thats just a sign of the times id say its not just footballers
Well then accept a cut in wages if you're going to do less work.
Oh no, they meant keep wages increasing but less work. Don't be silly, you can't expect footballers to take a pay cut!
@@derp2438 poor souls
You know YOU don’t pay them right? Why all this whining over millionaires taking money off billionaires
@@Batemann1980 Because of the health of the wider game you numb nut , you can’t ignore football finance and then say no to super league on the other
@@Batemann1980 well done liking your own stupid comment. You do know fans generate income, whether that be ticket sales, merchandising or paying subscription fees to watch games.
Clearly, money has distorted things so much in football, player welfare (an important issue) is seen as wanting your cake & eating it. Until players are returned to the real world, sympathy is going to be in very short supply.
Yeah, you're spot on.
I couldn’t have said it better, for 80k+ per week you better damn well perform like a machine. If you don’t like it get a normal fooking job, ups is hiring.
Football is a multi billion pound industry, why shouldnt the players get what they are worth.
@@newempire158 Bitter coz you were crap at footy?
spot on
That wasn’t that heated TBH. I agree with Simon saying Martin is being one dimensional. Martin claims to speak for players, but shoots down the credibility of Murphy just because he has a different point of view. I suppose only the “elite” players are worthy to be supported in his mind. Like him or not, Simon is actually a much more objective debater.
Simon is intelligent that’s why
I like Simon and think he’s now the central feature of the show but I thought he was slightly too aggressive with his questioning of martin, at no point was Martin going to win this argument because most people think footballers are overpaid prima donnas anyway!!
Facts.. and Martin can’t handle it…
@@paulpurves484 Martin just ‘‘twas not reasoning he was just stating his opinion and wasn’t opening his mind
@@blu4lifealfycfc.32 I’m not disagreeing with your point I think your right but what I have noticed is that most ex players/ pundits seem to pretty much side with the current players no matter what keown, Movistar and probably the worst culprit sinclair
I feel bad for Simon, imagine dealing with absolute weapons like keown and Sinclair everyweek
i hate it when keown is a pundit on TV games he talks rubbish
Agreed
Bang on mate
I'd honestly prefer if Simon Jordan started his own youtube channel or radio show. Then I can just hear his sensible thoughts without him having to look exasperated by the rubbish that comes out any of his Talksport colleagues including Jim White.
Keown is absolutely right
Keown & Sinclair astound me
3:19 I love it when White cracks up at Simon's insults to Keown.
White is his little lapdog
Oh no….players getting paid thousands of pounds each week and they struggle to play a couple of games a week….my heart bleeds
@MCFC CHAMPIONS 🏆 I really feel for them….poor football players….what an awful job they have
@MCFC CHAMPIONS 🏆 throw in a 15 year contract to lol…imagine if u get injured u would still get payed to not play…how good would that be
@@JRW1886 that's such a blinkered opinion about being injured. I don't know why people think that it's somehow more preferable to be injured so you get paid for allegedly doing nothing. When players are injured thats when the real hard work starts. Going through rehab, or having operations because you've got no cartilage left is the worst part of the job, they deserve their ridiculous salaries for having to go through all this. Go and watch Roy Keane putting himself through hell just to build up the muscle he'd lost due to injury.
The easiest part of the job is being a fully fit footballer. Yet legions of stupid fans seem to think the easy bit is being injured, leading to assumptions that players like Wilshere, Hargreaves etc took the piss and got paid for doing nowt.
@@highnoon7097 do they still get paid if they are injured….it’s a yes or no?
@@JRW1886 that wasn’t his point but keep going
Keown has completely discredited himself with the Daily Mail article.
No one is paying attention to his point of view, at all.
The Arsenal-Tottenham debacle?
A lot of people are. Those who understand football
Chavvy fans aren't. Footballers are.
What did he say that was wrong? Players are indeed playing alot of game. It's too much. And UEFA are trying to increase matches in 2024 to get more money into their own pockets. That's insane. Do you want players collapsing on the pitch?
Absolutely agree with Simon. Players get paid so much right now that they haven't got any rights to even complain at this point, just do your jobs and keep your heads down. If you want more rest, it means you'll be working less, therefore you should take a pay cut, but I'm certain they don't want that. That's like saying you don't wanna work 5 or 6 days a week and instead want to work 3 because you don't get enough rest then expect to get the same salary, it just doesn't work like that. Players nowadays have too many privileges and they're starting to abuse that fact.
By your logic the more you're paid the less you're allowed to speak
Absolutely brilliant debate, love watching on CZcams as Jim’s expression are priceless.
Keep the good work up, I know it’s appreciated, especially by me 👍
I’m with Simon on this… I dunno how else players expect teams to meet their greediness in recent times 😊
The clubs are more greedy than the players. They don’t have to pay outrageous demands. Simon is always protecting owners. If you went to a job interview and demanded 3 times what you are worth you wouldn’t get the job
Spot on. Players want to get paid great amounts but play less games. This is all nonsense
@@registame2878 absolutely
@@registame2878 so should players play 24 hours a day 7 days a week given their wage?
@@rohithraman6488 What!
How does what you said bare any relation to what is being discussed!?
Games aren’t scheduled 24/7 so players wouldn’t be able to play them / Games couldn’t be scheduled 24/7 as it wouldn’t be logistically possible!
Players should play when they are fit and not when they feel like it as that is how jobs work.
Premier league players generally have 1/2 games a week which is and should not be difficult to do especially when most championship players can often play 2 games a week and have to be ready to go the next week.
Keown "Show footballers some respect"
Jordan "Like you did to Ruud V. Nistlerooy?"
Heat of the battle. Am sure he respects him as a player. His job then was to unsettle him and stop him, Yeh prob shouldn't have close lined him after the penno miss though lol.
it was an elbow to the back of the head. I can't recall but did keown get punished for that after the game? Can you imagine what would have happened if that happened nowadays. I would have give keown a slap in the tunnel afterwards
@@philbarton2832 Keown got a 3 match ban and big fine, Lauren, Parlour, Vieira and Ashley Cole were also punished
@@rohithraman6488 Ah that's right, thanks for the refresher. Arsenal have always had a piss poor disciplinary record
Yes. That's why we have big squads. Although I will say that the international games are often pointless and very detrimental. Nobody asked for random friendly international tournaments, and friendlies are often pointless. These should be trimmed down.
I never understand why people ask "what are the players willing to give up"? The clubs are not willing to give up the revenue from all these games, that's why there are so many fixtures. They don't play competitions to pay wages, they pay wages to play competitions. The players have no choice but to play, this is their job and they can't just tell their employer no. They are also frowned upon if they turn down international duty for club football. The only solution is to lower the number of games in the knockout competitions, get rid of pre-season and all it's ridiculous travelling and reduce the number of international fixtures during the season. Premier league teams have the most intense schedules of any sporting league. Their season is 11 months long, plus summer international duty, it's actually not fair. Footballers in general play more than any other sport. It's no wonder they are the only ones crying for better schedules.
I feel so sorry for them
So my idea is this
15 minutes each way.
30 minute half time break which includes a massage.
11 subs.
1 game a month.
Pay them all 500 thousand pound a week which includes a 4 month break for summer
you forgot the 3 month winter break!
😂😂😂😂🤝🤝🤝respect you bro,,, these footballers should be aware that some of us ain't getting the opportunity of getting paid to play the sport we love, thousands a week for that matter, reallly shameless
@@charlesnkomo4148
I'd play every day for the money their on.
Honestly they don't know how lucky they are.
Over paid and over pampered imo
@@DocTommy1972
3 month winter break in Barbados 😎
@@freddyeverready Mykonos for Manchester United.
Every team submits 25 senior players. Enough to play even 3 matches in a week. 👊 Simon
if you're a big player, you'll play most of those games, especially if they're finals/ semi finals; if you refuse the media will crucify you
Simon is always on point. These players will always take and never give 🤣
Maybe whoever you support. As a Leeds fan I can definitely say the players give everything they have for the badge. They may not always play well but they work their arses off and that's what I'm paying to see.
Klich looks like he needs a stretcher by the end of every game he plays, he's absolutely shagged.
We topped the Premier League running stats for a reason. Also the hardest hit by injuries this season, would it be so surprising to discover the two are linked?
@@danielb7143 could also be the reason you nearly went down!
Why does Martin keep turning up to a gun fight with a knife.... when will he learn???????
I don't see what he said that was wrong
@@fifty-five6929 less games... they have 25 players, use the squads in full .. simple... no they choose to put out the same 11 all the time... the players on a bench may play 30 mins a week if they lucky
Maybe Keown should watch the tennis, players play for 4 or 5 hours sometimes in the blistering heat and often come back the next day for more. The truth is top level footballers have never been more pampered and better off in all aspects than they are today but Simon is right, it's all about more more more for less less less.
Tennis is a completely different game they get plenty of time to rest between rallies and they have loads of short rallies.
You are right, tennis is far more physically intensive than football.
@@lespritchard2870 no its not
Totally is, players spend much of a football game standing still or walking and only cover around 6 miles over 90 minutes which is nothing and with limited sprints. A high level game of tennis can be far more exerting which is why they take constant breaks.
Those potential 5 hour matches only happen at Grand Slam tournaments because its best of 5 set. At all other tournaments its best of 3 and there has been the same complaints of too many matches in Tennis too.
I was listening to this debate live this morning as I was driving. What came to my mind was this:
Bring in a wage cap for all players. There is no way hundreds of thousands of pounds a week are needed by the players, no way, it is obscene what some of them get. By reducing wages, and I mean by more than 10,000 or 20,000, maybe have the cap set at around 50,000 a week, that will drive down season/match day tickets prices thus allowing the blue collar working dad and his son, who are priced out of the game, to attend games.
Scrap international friendlies, they are pointless. Scrap the nations international league. Stop trying to expand the Champions league. How about having the champions league for actual champions of each European league? Plus, maybe have the winners of each European leagues major Cup (FA Cup in england) play in the European Cup. Also, scrap extra time in Cup final games and go straight to penalties after 90 minutes!
I recall, about 20 years or so ago, an article I read regarding professional sports players and the hours per week they work based on the 38 hour a week regime that regular Joe blogs works. Football players, it was stated, work about a 13 hour a week, and at the time, I believe that included match day. Tennis players were closest to 38 hour week at around 33 hours. Now, that may have changed somewhat, some 20 years later, but not by much I'm guessing.
Sadly, money has ruined the game. Players in the top leagues do earn way too much and the powers that be in football are going to continue with the forever changes to get more money out of folk who enjoy watching games, either in the stadiums or on TV and they do not care.
The careers of top level players is short but some if them in their 20's could retire tomorrow with the money they have and let's not forget the money they earn from endorsements. Sterling for instance advertising Gillette razor's, he's probable getting something like a million a year for that, on top of his Man City wages of about 100,000 a week or more!
Mbappes on 1 mill a week now, too late now
For the wages the players are on, the medical staff they have at their disposal, moaning about work loads is laughable. They're so disconnected from the real world
they are not exactly working down the pit all week
@@paulrichards6894 that's my point, working the pits is a harder job than what players do
laugh when they say that running around for 90 mins twice a week is difficult....
People like Martin think that anything less than 100% supplication to players is 'disrespectful' 🙄🤦♂️
Martin was a player. He knows that this is getting out of hand. You can't let footballers play every 2 days. That's just a fact.
@@roberthood7650 And, all the players trying to play fewer games a season will take a pay cut pro rata with that?? 🙄
@@roberthood7650 Players will do as they are fucking well told and be professional..that is what they get all of this ridiculous money for.
I like Jordan when he is speaking unopposed. But when someone takes a different view point to him or challenges something he says, he is so condescending it’s terrible to listen to. If he wasn’t so arrogant he’d be a brilliant commentator.
He is brilliant.
Players are paid ridiculous amounts of money for doing something they love. There are people on poor wages having to work 60 hour weeks to make ends meet but yet footballers can retire at 35 and be made for life. It's a pointless argument and players need to man up
Wages are irrelevant.
@@izdatsumcp false, wages make all the difference
Basically clubs got to say "eighter u get 400k and play all these games or we buy another player with half of your money to him".
@@izdatsumcp try to cut there wages and we will see if wages are irrelevant
wages don't protect you from injury
Such an epic broadcasting line up. Well done all 👏
These two really don’t like each other. Simon’s spot on the money with his analysis, that’s why players don’t like him because he speaks the truth and it threatens their reputation. Martin isn’t someone I would really take any opinion. It’s like someone pointing out boris Johnson broke lock down rules. They’re not going to like the person who pointed it out but doesn’t take away from the fact it’s true. Same premise here.
the truth is that football is turning into mcdonalds. The quality goes down if you let them play every 2 days. That's just science. So are the injuries.
@@roberthood7650 yeah 100% agree mate. They are playing far too much. I just think Martin Keown is a bit of a knobhead
Judging by Keowns drive and determination when he played, you would of thought he may have been on the complete opposite side of the fence in this argument. Ah well made for a fun debate
Same as Graeme Souness. Seems to chastise players who make tough tackles and 'put opponents in danger'...
I used to play for 3-4 hrs everyday after school sometimes 9 vs 11 or even 8 vs 15 scores used to be dbl figures and still got up for school next day and went again these players have no idea what it takes to be elite 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Moron
Coincidentally i was looking into the effect injuries have on clubs financially.. also the Prem has the most player injuries in football. So it only makes sense to be mindful of player well being if you want a overall better performance.
just watch Jim, he's loving it! 😂
Keown can only go personal lol
Because that Simon guy is a proper piece of work and a lot of people don't like him. He just spurts out rubbish. He needs to be checked.
Timashe - facts remain 💯 👌 .....majority of this audience ONLY tune in as a result of El señor Jordan. It's him they value
How can I have loved Keown so much as a player but as a pundit/journalist he's such a damn snowflake, these players get paid ridiculous money and are more than happy to receive the wage to play these matches, doctors and fire services are on call 24/7 and risk their lives in doing so. The jab at Murphy is disgusting
When Danny Murphy actually came on later in the show, I thought they were going to talk about it but they didn't.
says the person sucking off simon all the time he only right half the time
BBC probably done that to him mate
I agree but you cant compare those professions in this context
Footballers don't choose to be paid what they are paid. They work so hard to reach that level. You just sound salty and bitter. No amount of money will allow players to recover quicker, players need to rest.
I hate to say it but I agree with Simon. players won't give up the money. UEFA needs a salary cap based off of club/league revenue. That way if the number of games goes down the salary cap does too. Works in American football (NFL is the most profitable league in the world) and allows the clubs to be profitable and sustainable. It might also allow for a little more parity.
Love these guys an difference of an opinion .Great show😁
I'd love to see these lads for 8+ hour shifts 5 days a week because if they're complaining about their current workload they'd fucking die doing a proper job
You really dont have a clue do you, an 8 hour shift is nothing compeared to runing and training every day.
It's different, they push their bodies to the limit. You won't know what it's like unless you've experienced it. Your body literally shuts down and functions way less
@@craigstevenson4548 mate they train for like 2 hours a day Jesus christ
@@scrapydan3251 due they dont, they train longer that. Plus running around for 90 to 120 every 3 day take it out you.
@@scrapydan3251 They train for way more than that. There's on pitch training and weight room training. Then they also have to do recovery, sit in meetings, and do media jobs. These players are at the clubs for a full 8 hours or more everyday. They also have to do a lot of travelling. Crossing a time zone will affect anyone's body, they have to cross timezones and physically exert themselves, it's a lot.
What you also don't understand is the amount of exertion they do in two hours is more than what most people do in 8. It's also not just physical exertion as well, there is a mental side to playing sports. You also have to take into account that they work all week and then work on the weekends. Playing football isn't just fun for them it's a job. They have to answer to a manager and work with people they may not like and put up with things they may not like. A job that requires giving up your privacy and public scrutinization and criticism. Millions of people are watching you and are ready to condemn you if you mess up. Politicians don't even get that level of scrutiny and they don't do nearly as much work.
EXCUSE ME if I don't get my violin out and start playing it for people that earn obscene amounts of money and are often are doing what they LOVE to do for a so called living... ladies and gentlemen, I give you international and premier league footballers ... On a completely different planet to the rest of us !
Not going to complain about millionaires taking cash from billionaires good luck to them I don’t pay them and neither do you
by your logic you have to have a smile on your face 24/7 if you earn that much money
Simon is correct.Players would rather play than train.Players want to play for successful teams,which obviously means more games played compared to unsuccessful teams.Also,whenever teams are granted a mid-season break/winter break,they jet off to the USA or the Far East to play friendlies! It's ridiculous.Top players train to play at this level.Compared to pro male tennis players they have it not too bad.These guys can be on court for 3-5hrs,then play 48hrs later
Injury will happen with too many games but with big squad sizes, rotation can be done. Play for a big club, expect the challenges.
Ive watched football since 1964, and I have watched great teams get knocked out of the European Cup pre Champions League, Teams knocked out in Round 1, no 2nd 3rd 4th placed clubs just League Winners, and thats what the format should be, then at least if you are knocked out, you wont have to play mid week in that comp.
The same applies with the Europa League, go back to a draw, and loses go out.
The are too many games now, and players are knackered.
The World Cup, why increase the amount of teams, have it at 8 groups of 4, winners go into a draw.
European Championship do the same.
A two week break from Dec 20th to 3rd Jan.
And a 6 week break from June to mid July.
You dont race the likes of Frankel every week in a Group one race, the horse would collapse, and die.
You dont see Tyson Fury fighting for the heavy Weight Championship of the World Every week.
So why put Footballers through that sort of punishment.
I agree but good luck telling footballers only one team go in CL etc, they'd be crying, saying we want group games, even though it's more game, footballers are thick.
Easy solution: use your squad instead of the same 11 every week. There you go , sorted 👍
Jim always has that glint in his eye that screams "I'm fucking loving this" 😂
Simon speaks with reason. love the honesty sir
I love it when Simon looks at the producers and laughs
Simon Jordan is absolutely my favourite Englishman!
I agree they should move fixtures from a 12:30 kick off time to either 15:00 or later in the evening for champions league teams that play on a Wednesday evening however the TV companies like BT will kick off
There has to be a boundary tho .. if we get to a tour-de-france scenario and playing almost every day it brings along with it other nasty side effects to keep players able to meet the demands.
Keown is the Grand Midwit of football punditry. Rarely have I heard a pundit speak so much and say so little.
keown is a clown 🤡
Sinclair, richards 🙄
Keown has lost all credibility as a pundit since he admitted to lying in his column about Spurs and Arsenal. why should anyone take him seriously after that?
Might explain why he's also employed at the BBC. They'll hire anyone with a mouth.
25 man squad and youth players. It’s on the coaches and the clubs to rotate, if the club, manager and physios play a player to breaking point that’s on them not the league, not the cups.
There is another dimension to this - coaches or tactical styles. Pressing and counter pressing are more and more common. It makes games more demanding for players - you are expected to run 90 min.
Why Fabinho and Thiago cannot be fit? Because they play in Klopp’s intense system.
There is a reason why a lot of players in Italy that can play into their late 30s - it is slow paced and defensive league which do not require intense running and pressing.
Martin Keown - living proof that heading a football regularly can cause serious brain damage !
coming from someone who has never played i guess? 😂 you fool
wouldn't say that to his face or he might head you and give you brain damage.
No need to go down this route fella, just because you disagree with his POV
@@thomaspower6914 you need to lighten up my friend
Imo dementia and brain damage is not a funny subject, end of.
Simon Jordan! What a man and speaks for the football fans! 🙌🏻
say he speaks for you, not all fans think like you
Less games and more rest time = better performance from players, or in otherwords a higher quality football match.
I love how Jim looks at us as if to say wtf is going on now!🤣😭😭😭🤣🤣😭🤣🤣🤣
Pure perfection from Sir Simon as per. Go home Keown,you're embarassing yourself with your baseless personal attacks.
keown talks absolute rubbish....simon toys with him
Simon Jordan is the king and always will be. Get back on your fence keown
Couldn’t disagree more pal. Nice to see a difference of opinion. Hope you go up next season 👍🏻 #pusb
I played football at the local park 5-6 days of the week and you didn't here me complaining. Went to work after dead tired but I did it cos I loved it. Footballers who get paid 2x or 3x normal people's salaries per week shouldn't complain too much. Some people die at their jobs from hazardous environments. Footballers worst injuries may only be ACL tears or Achilles ruptures in which they get their full salary even if they are out for a year. There ain't no job out there for normal people to be paid sick leave for an entire year. Footballers are so disconnected from the real world.
Even Zlatan the other day said he doesn't wanna retire cos life after football scares him
There are more games in the modern football season. But there are also more players in squads to rotate, better recovery and more physios than ever before.
If Klopp uses the same 11 until they drop that’s on him. Pep has built a squad he can rotate and he often does so it’s not a case of the governing bodies need to do more, the clubs themselves and the managers need to do more.
Player welfare. The best sports scientists. The best recovery machinery . Virtually everything they could have to perform at the highest level and claim their careers could be shortened, when you got players like zlatan and ronaldo still going fairly strong. Get over yourselves. You get paid millions for what you do. Don't like it? Sainsburys are hiring
So money is stops you from getting injured?
@@johnmagoo7078 exactly. Too many plastics about these days who think that somehow the salary of player suddenly means they are immune to basic physiology.
Doesn’t matter if you pay someone a billion pounds a week. If you make them play a ridiculous amount of games then they will inevitably get injured. Even with the best facilities and staff in the world, you can’t magically become a bionic man just because an Arab oligarch pays your salary.
What’s particularly funny is that these plastics will be the same ones who moan when the standard of football inevitably deteriorates.
Ultimately it comes down to deluded entitlement from plastic fans who expect to be entertained with elite level football 4 times a week. Which is completely unsustainable.
@@johnmagoo7078 no, the best recovery machinery and best sports scientists and best recovery methods do. Thought I mentioned that.
@@johnmagoo7078 Yes and it also minimises injures. Playing on pitches that are like velvet, medical science that optimises rest periods, nutritionists that supply the best food and supplements money can buy, FA rules where referees dish out yellow cards for next to nothing, tackling becoming minimal compared to the 90’s and before, club trainers and medical staff that are top tier.
Yes the huge amount of money in football both minimises injures and stops players getting injured.
Today’s players would be crying like children if they played in the 70’s.
Luxury coaches, private/chartered planes and 5 star hotels how unlucky are these players. Such a terrible life
I have no sympathy for these player who earns multi-millions every yr, have beautiful women queued up to a mile, gets to live the every men’s dream. Meanwhile you and I work 9 to 5 every five days a week.
Aww, one day you might have a beautiful woman, until then just do your 9to5, and have a w4nk
All they ask for more rest in the off season so they come back fresh. Nothing wrong with that
Simon spot on, as usual. Player want to perform less, simple solution, pro rate that wage.
I suspect tho at the end of the day it will be like every collective bargaining agreement negotiation in the NFL.
Players want to practice less and play less, but as soon as a wage cut accompanying that is discussed they clam up.
Simon is right, if players complain about more games & no rest they have to accept a reduction in wages, end of the day you have a big squad for a reason, more games mean other squad players can play, i feel for more sorry for those that don’t play than the ones that do.
its not as if they are working down the pit all week
seems like footballers want all of the upside (wages) and want to play as little as possible! it's not hard to work out, if the wages were less they wouldn't need to keep finding more revenue streams such as more games and tournaments to keep finding the money to pay these players. Simon's absolutely spot on as usual.
Not just the players though... The organisations and the club owners. The major clubs are owned by owners now that purely see the clubs as businesses, not really fans of the clubs they run, and as soon as the clubs make mega dish, they get sold to the highest bidder. Chelsea is worth 3 times more than when abramovich bought them, Liverpool will be sold for probably 3 times what was paid, same as Manchester City. Manchester United. Have probably hit their glass ceiling, and are worth probably what was paid, maybe half billion more, but not 3 times.
I wonder if Martin keown brings his pack lunch with him on a Friday as Simon always seems to take him to school.
peanut butter sandwiches chocolate bar 🍫 and flask of soup in winter and carton of ribena summer 😋 keown is a prize
Jim “ try not to personalise it”
Shut up Jim! 🤣🤣
There’s a reason why clubs have squads. To share workload. If the workload is too much then learn how to rotate and make use of your U23 reserves
Simon fights better on the backfoot. He came out swinging
I’m with Simon 👌
There is no doubt that some of the gaps between games are too short. Guardiola said recently that he had no time to train between away Champions league matches and the ensuing league match. All the players could do was rest-he said sleepx3. But the players will have to take a hit or the season will have to be lengthened if we are to have the same number of games as now. There is not a lot to be done about the Premier League given that broadcasters, who pay most of the players wages, have their schedules. Surely, though, this matter only affects clubs who have gone far in cup competitions, particularly abroad.
The reality now is.. footballers in this day are full on athletes. In Danny Murphy's day you could be a footballer and a boozer and the average pro could have a minor dad bod.
Now the game is played at a MUCH faster pace, players do more intensive work & sprinting, they cover more miles than ever before, more than a 60% increase VS the early 2000s.
Keowns an absolute pro at losing his head 😂
Simon Jordan is such a professional 👏
I've always been of the belief that it is not the games that cause the fatigue but the amount of training Players do between games.
Player welfare in 2022 has been conflated and confused with "freedom from contractual obligations".
If you don't want to be held to contractual obligations, don't sign a multi-million pound contract. Every single employee has contractual obligations and commitments, we can't simply - for example - disappear to a different continent and tell our Manager we've gone as the likes of Rashford, Ronaldo, Sancho and Bailly have.
I love Simon.
💪
NFT Keown needs a holiday. Had a poxy few weeks
There are situations where some players in particular almost play season after season with virtually no rest. But, like Simon says, players are the biggest beneficiaries of the sport, and whenever the TV rights or sponsorship money goes up, more than 80% of the increase goes back to the players(i.e, player wages and bonuses rise by an almost proportionate amount) so they should think hard about what they're willing to give up in order to get a less truncated calendar.
That being said, I think the problem is more with meaningless international fixtures than with the number of matches in domestic competitions (though the UEFA tournaments can be looked at as well). If the whole world would conform to a single calendar and scrap international friendlies, you could play all the international qualifiers in a single month while gaining 4 dates for domestic competitions. Instead of putting 65 matches over 36 weeks you can play those over 40 weeks. That still leaves 12 weeks for the other stuff - 4 weeks for international qualifiers/tournament, 4 weeks for pre-season and 4 weeks of holiday while also guaranteeing a 3 day rest between matches. If we play all qualifiers in a pre determined host country(just like the tournaments) that will also reduce all the redundant travel international teams undertake as well(would be more cost-effective too, and at the same time would also be beneficial to the environment). Of course this is all theory and implementing that may have practical considerations, but it seems to me that harmonizing the world calendar and re-thinking international friendlies and qualifiers is the most obvious solution for decluttering the calendar.
Well thought out!!
Virtually no rest? Yeah, no-ones buying that.
What’s this based on? Where did you get the figures to prove the vast majority of the money in football goes to players? This is complete bull
Someone like Messi and Ronaldo who have made every club they been at billions don’t get paid proportionate to their worth.
The money goes to the owners and share holders
A simple solution: In the contract, you just include the maximum/minimum number of games you should play, and the minimum days, or hours, between the games in a season.
Very interesting point here. If most jobs make people work to point of exhaustion but are paid well, then wouldn’t it be fair for them lower the amount of work relative to a lower level of money received for that work? Seems like pretty easy calculus. Work less = paid less. Work more = pay more.
Am I missing something?
Nailed it, pay as you play……..let’s zero hours contract the c##ts like the rest of us
Martin Keown, taking up for the players while trashing another former pros career to make his point, candidate for eggheads that man is...🤣
Sports science has developed so much and the players are monitored so much: Blood tests, heart rates taken on a daily basis, sleep is monitored, hydration levels etc to check they are recovering correctly. I think the mental pressure to perform might be an issue. But physically I don’t think there are to many games. You have never heard Cristiano Ronaldo, moaning about to many games. At 37, he wants to play all the time. It comes down to the mentality of the player
I love how Jim just sits in the middle and soaks it in. Whoever you agree with, Jordan vs Known is the best battle of the week.
Jordan hands Keown his ass on a plate every week. This Friday was no different.
NO matter how hard you try, you cannot argue a player getting payed 350k a week shouldn't play 65 games a season, its only logical the more you get payed the more games you should play.
The players want to eat there cake and have it
there are games that need ditching. international friendlies can be curtailed. Dropping from CL into Europa demeans that comp.
league cup made single leg. no extra time after 90 minutes..just pens.
Remove teams from comps that do not belong. beating san marino is just a given. why bother.
2 days between matches is fine, and even one day off (rare occasion) would also be fine. If a player is in danger of injury because then they can always sit out and recover. If this job is too tough on them they can always get another... Amazon are hiring