"YOU'RE ALWAYS BARKING AT PLAYERS!" 😡 Martin Keown & Simon Jordan CLASH over player welfare!
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- Martin Keown & Simon Jordan debate player welfare & whether players become mentally fatigued too easily!
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Martin Keown is really articulate, calm, and measured in his responses, but that doesn't stop him from talking absolute rubbish.
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Oh MA Lawd 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So trueeeeeeee
Progress under Southgate 🤣🤣🤣🤣
100% he chats absolute crap and can't handle someone not agreeing with him.
He was getting found out big time. He got his ass handed in to him 🤣
Very few ex players that dont....too many headers maybe! And his point that England are up to 3 in the rankings...the majority of those wins against poor teams and in any case its irrelevant. Belgium have been number 1 for a while but still won FA!
Sat here pissing myself at how Natalie just sits there listening and smirking, didnt need to interject (like JW would always do) as the conversation was good radio
It's frustrating when JW intervenes just let them have it
Jim always intervenes with something absolutely moronic too
Natalie is so beautiful inside and out
@@adolfryan1930 she's not great at her job. Very wooden.
You know Its real when Simon says "with the greatest of respect" 😆
😂😂😂 love him
‘And due diligence’ 🤣
Hahahahahha that’s when you know it’s on 😂 . Sir Simon jordan to me what an absolute legend
"With all the will in the world" 😄
What a load of cobblers
Natalie's facial expressions are hilarious during this! You can tell she's waiting for SJ to dismantle Martin's arguments.
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Literally brilliant! Watched her nearly the whole way through the bickering😂
You can tell it’s over head she does not have a clue
Simon is absolute legend and he reflects almost every opinion I have in football these days! Sexy Sawyer is also to have in this debate
Pity Martin was right or do you think these poor billionaires are being forced to look after their millionaire footballers against their will
the moderator is awesome, no unnecessary interruptions like Jim white
Jim white also asks real stupid and banal questions. Iam sorry. But I cant stand him. I only listen to hear Jordan.
Jim white is an idiot and loves the sound of his own voice.
Simon just been backhanding everyone of Jim and Trevors replacements this week 🤣🤣
Rightly so here. Keown is out of his depth with Simon.
I mean they have to get someone in with the same IQ as Sinclair. Both of them waffle nonsense for minutes on end; only to be taken apart by Jordan - while staring at him with that confused empty look 😳
Didn't see that with Ade I actually thought they worked well together
Martin: Won't someone think of the players!
Also Martin: let's hold an international tournament every year
Ex arsenal player
Clownery is standard and expected
@@alinanisiamenot as as a clown as you
you omitting the less int friendly, hard to make an informed opinion if you chose to ignore all the details
@@Akinwalesegun less international friendlys still means more qualifiers for euros and World Cup
@@alinanisiame Exactly, and also the friendlies rotate and try out players. So the same starting 11 don’t play as much. Tournament every year would be awful
Simon: You say I'm barking at players, I'm not barking, I'm observing stridantly 🤣
So intelligent 👏🏽😂
Appreciate Natalie letting them two get into it, instead of intervening
She still earn$ whether she chats or makes the tea!!
She looks so bored lol
@@Upstairsforpete someone should give you a medal
Martin and the players want their cake and to eat it. You can’t keep pushing for higher and higher wages without the clubs having to expand their revenues to pay for it. The way they do this is by having to factor in more games to increase revenue.
Players today can be earning over £100000 per week before they’re 20. They are told how amazing they are every day. They have agents ensuring that their every need is catered to. Simon is talking about mental fortitude in players which in the eyes of many is sorely lacking in the modern player. There needs to be a balance but Martin’s way will not help any human being in the long run.
Spot on mate 👊🏽
100% right. Their whole lives are managed.
Bang on, dude. Well articulated 👌🏻
You also add in that the legal authorities actually launch criminal investigations into people, even underage kids, who act abusively towards them on social media.
@@stephenmason9527 maybe don’t abuse people?
Keowns comment on Wishere just clinched the delusion winner of this argument.
Absolute ridiculous talking excuses for a player that didnt look after himself off duty.
What he said about physical fatigue and overload actually applies best of players like Pedri, who are being absolutely rinsed internationally and by Barca because the club are struggling to the extent they are, and the club's interests are the priority... or Liverpool's squad depletion last season meaning that players like Matip were rushed back from injuries probably before the optimal rest/recovery period (which was Klopp's admittance in January). Or Rashford seeming to be limping of the pitch at times and delaying surgery to be in the Euros squad.. Which makes it even more unbelievable that Keown supports the idea of a biannual world cup (probably because Wenger is the figurehead); the physical welfare of players cannot possibly benefit from even more international football, but he bypasses that issue conveniently.
Keown is thick.. he played no more games than any other player and his teamates played until 34/35..
I've learnt more English words from Simon on this show than all my years of schooling.
I love to hear Simon Jordan on here, he is honest and forthright and very knowledgeable. Keown is a legend, top player, top man, someone you would always want on your side. Natalie was great letting the discussion flow. Love the channel.
Spot on Simon in regard to the Euro Final. I believe a change should have been made @ 60mins. It was obvious.
Yes England will never have a greater advantage again as they did in that final. The worse thing is being 1-0 early and still losing
I think bringing Jack grealish on at that time could have given us that spark just like when Southgate subbed him on vs Germany
Two gents having a disagreement. No swearing or raised voices. 👍🏼
It's because they were live
@@virtuallimit8615 no it isnt.
@@virtuallimit8615 did you ask them that?
So saying someone is barking all the time is gentlemanly
I think both are very good listeners....... yeah simon is more clever and comes up with better retaliation.
Love Natalie wanting to laugh when Simon starts 😂
I love Natalie full stop. Haha
Keown wanted to handle Simon the way he handled RVN 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Nat and Simon been 🔥 this week
Benefit of no Jim white
Lol, this was so funny, and poor Natalie in the middle of it all although it looks like she quite enjoyed it.😂😂😂
Awwww Natalie ❤❤❤
That's what a good broadcaster does , jim just wants to be the centre of attention
Natalie loves being inbetween two blokes 😂😂
That was one of the BEST debates I’ve heard on this channel for some time …… bring it on ! 👍
Simon absolutely destroyed keown
Well said Simon, I love the way Martin starts talking about Crystal Palace when he knows he is clearly loosing the argument.... lol.
Can see Keown imagining smacking Jordan around the room lol
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I can see Jordan laughing around the room why he tries lol keown is a muppet
Martin...players get fatigued an play too much. Also Martin in the same day....a world cup every two years is a great idea
I like how Natalie strategically hides her smirking face from Martin behind the mic
Don’t know why we’re always supposed to feel sorry for Jack Wiltshire. The guy didn’t take care of himself properly when injured and chose to be hanging out of clubs at 4am. That’s why he doesn’t play
Nathalie Sawyer is the perfect moderator. She's enjoying the debate and joining the conversation when she needs to. TS should replace Jim White with her on a permanent basis
Now I could get behind this #FuckJimWhite
She is like a sofa. Useless, no insight, and unattractive. Adds zero value. Doesn’t ask tough questions. Doesn’t spice up the debate. Isn’t funny. This isn’t a university lecture. It’s a talkshow meaning entertainment. She provides zero entertainment. Complete waste of space and only there bc Talksport wants to show it is inclusive of women. Utter bullshit.
@@tokhmi2006 Jim White does none of those things
@@Chris.1812 solution is not to replace him with a female statue with zero charisma. men’s football should be covered by men as long as there are men pundits and hosts out there.
Martin got the same glasses as simon for mind games he’s trying to match that simon energy
I listened to the whole show, Martin was off the mark all morning.
He lives in cloud cuckoo land that bloke. He gets away with it because he’s well spoken and articulate but what he says is nonsense a lot of the time, with a massive bias towards players and his old pal Arsene.
As always 😂
He always is. Martin doesn’t have substance behind the anecdotes. Nat is loving this !
How on earth is Martin Keown denying footballers are wrapped in cotton wool? Not literally of course because they would get too warm but he knows they are the most looked after athletes in sport and the most wealthy just to help them along.
I dont have much problem with what anyone earns or how well they are treated but i don't pretend its not obvious these players are treated like Gold by their clubs.
OMG Nats face is the best thing about these two griping... legend!
That was such a good back and forth. Great job guys. 👏👏👏
Simon is correct, we had a very easy route to the final ans almost perfect conditions (90% a home competition) and the changes that should have been made were not. And someone of the ill of say Venables would have won that competition.
Quality stuff. Loved that!
This is the content I paid for.. I love this ❤️
Martin Keown is spewing a load of tosh here. Once again SJ the only person here talking sense
Can imagine all the people who have physically demanding jobs telling their employers that they are burnt out so can only work 3 days a week on the same weekly wages and they need some loving.
Simons right hardly no characters left in football.
It’s that determination of constantly pushing your limits that made CR7 the winner he is not coming out with fatigue or mentally tired excuses.
Bang on Gordon great post.
Oh yeah, it's brilliant that people suck up to their bosses and work their arses off until they die in a country that works more hours than any other in Europe. What a great standard to set.
@@kingvidor2747 it’s not necessarily about your employer taking advantage of you more to do with how far you can push yourself as an individual which builds character and people being able to count on your work ethic but without you letting them take liberties..
Ronaldo has scored a few one touch tap ins this season however, his overall performances have not been great.
Yes he's scored easy tap ins which some were hit straight at the goalkeepers however, he's been anonymous..
Spot on. Most of these lot wouldn't last a week without whingeing about how hard life is
Natalie was loving this
When did Jack wilshere play too much football?🤣🤣
The way the Euro draw panned out it was easy to predict England would get to the final very early on. Actually England are quite good now compared to other nations as the international level has dropped significantly. I know France lost to Switzerland on penalties but I think France Italy Belgium and possibly Portugal would have beaten England and they were all in the other half of the draw. I like Jordan.
Not portugal. Portugal we’re probably massively overhyped even more so than england.
Thank goodness, an intelligent discussion on Football
Keown just licks the boots of english footballers and managers, I wish he would give a balanced view and say something interesting, he bores me
Having heard Martin a few times, I would definitely agree with you on that comment.
Mentally drained do me a favour! Do an 80 hour week then come back to me and talk about mentally drained! Talk about wrapping players up in cotton wool!
Simple way of looking at it...you don't have millions of people judging every decision you make. Being a international footballer brings a lot of mental pressure I'm sure
@@ToddyG645 ye my heart bleeds
@@ToddyG645 is that why some of them cant live by rules like the rest of us or is it just because they are spoilt little brats that get what they want when they want?
@@84Jason1 You would be on antidepressants if thousands of people were slating you on social media...this isn't your warehouse job where you can go hide for a couple hours
@@84Jason1 What in particular are you talking about... because actually famous players get targeted and little fights that would be nothing to a ordinary man gets blown out of all proportions if you're a famous footballer...for example Harry Maguire on holiday in Greece
I totally agree with simon...
Keown is pretty much saying that criticism of players is not allowed
Natalie is loving it
Keown seemed to not understand the points of conversation for dispute and just went off on strange tangents.
Simon then quite correctly tore him apart
Wow I just love the presenters reaction to the spat looking sideway when it gets heated classic
Doctors and nurses are fatigued working 4 12 hour shifts a week.. footballers are not fatigued
This is a great trio
Simon Jordan just ended Martin 🤣🤣
Well said, Martin.
Good debate this one
Simon leaves Keown for dead every time, and I love watching it, I wish he was our chairman. (I'm an Evertonian)
You're susceptible to Simon's verbal tomfoolery.
Simon agreed! Fatigued always mentioned after loss. Look at others sports such as the one I compete in tennis and they play every other day at a high intensity
Wow we need more of this kind of debate. Get jamie and jordan on
Did he just say Jack W played TOO MUCH FOOTBALL? he means on Playstation? The guy was injured 80% of time
natalie sawyer is having fun time
The expression "if you love your job then you never really work a day in your life" comes to mind. 😄
I hope Natalie stays and we rid JW from talking total rubbish, this would be one of only a few where female broadcaster actually should and deserves a headline slot, she's up there with Gaby Logan
Good debate
Both are coming at this topic from different agendas. It's clear Martin wants to be a manager and work in a high-level football club. Maybe one in North London? Simon's more complex, and it's not clear what role he could want other than to furrow his own brand, but he's intoxicated by how widely he himself uses the dictionary.
I would happily hear these two ruffle their feathers over a few more nuanced topics in football. That's content in itself.
SJ owned Keown there. absolutely bossed it, "get back to loving players"??? give it a rest, my god the audacity of him.
Should we hate them and scrutinise them instead yeah
Love the players by leaving them out of the squad and telling them they’re physically and mentally fatigued 😂
@@b.a3595 who says anything about hating them, SJ doesn't, but they are not beyond critisism, they need to read the room better. spoilt clowns
How can you not love Simon
It boils down to Martin Keown basically telling Simon he spends more time moaning and being negative than praising and being positive. He isn’t wrong.
There’s nothing wrong with being critical but to just constantly moan all the time it isn’t healthy.
Good old Simon
I was a under 21 manger 3 years ago, one player came to me with some bullshit about him being depressed and “mental health” blah blah blah, I never played him ever again and never really spoke to him again. He got the message and left the club. He was weak!! I don’t do weak!!!!
Firstly, I hate that we debate each and everything England squad announcement (that isn't for a major tournament) like it really matters. We're not talking about Southgate leaving out the captain or something, it's a couple of young lads, it isn't the end of the world. Secondly, player welfare of course matters but it's a stupid topic of conversation because no fan is going to feel sorry for them whilst they all play 3 hours a week for such ludicrous amounts of money.
Look at the coaches in the European cup final, if Southgate and mancini became available there will be a host of top clubs out for one of them, and no prizes for guessing who 🤷🏻♂️
Wilshare is an example of importance to protect young blood players.Concerned about Saka being a talisman for Arsenal at his age
And England 🤔
Simon Jordan should be running this country let alone football. No nonsense straight talker, it's what we all need.
Cool debate.
Simon on point as always
Simon Jordan. Speaks truth every time !!
#Keown is a Legend!!
great debate haha
Simon Jordan world class love listening to him, man with honesty and integrity.
Any video without Jim White is a great video
9:53 😂😂
Natalie subtly stirring the pot haha.
Brilliant radio.
Protecting. If good enough then they're old enough. Greenwood's been immense so far this season.
7:15 - 7:25 oh, she is enjoying this! LOL
I love that Martin called Simon out on his bullshit, he’s been spouting it for way to long
Martin is talking nonsense. He doesn't like Simon and is trying to win this debate. He got schooled by Simon
@@kevinkilbane2007 same way Joshua got Schooled by Usyk
Martin thinks coz he talks slow he talks sense lol dude is talking nonsense. You can’t put your 80-90s football ideology into today’s game thinking it would work it doesn’t.
Those poor billionaires being held hostage by these football players, I don’t know why they don’t just sign over the clubs to them?
WAKE UP
Drawing Italy is nothing anyone would dream of!
BTW, Simon changes his arguments when he feels like he is losing.
Specsavers joint trip?
Natalies patient silence and giggles brilliant compared to jims sensationalism
Keown to Jordan: Who hurt you?
"Southgate will learn from it" he's an international manager not a first time boss in the conference learning his trade
The talking about greenwood here I just don't even think twice about double standard in this channel he is the best talented player 👏
Simon dropping truth bombs all week
I agree with Simon we bottled the World Cup semi final and the euro final we went 1-0 up in 3 mins and didn’t create another chance in 117 mins we play too negative when ahead and we got the luckiest draws in both tournaments the World Cup fair enough but the euro final was in our hands and we let them back in the game
And don’t get me started on the penalty takers in the shootout, absolutely abismal managment
It's a bit different from the 70's innit.
No crowds players can have a bit of a rest
Wait for a second was Martin pretending to be as intellectual or versed as Simon? 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Get off his D***. He is not that smart!!
Simon is the self appointed football authority.
Keown just keeps banging on about Wenger. It's embarrassing
I think Simon Jordan is the most intelligent person at TalkSPORT. In addition to the fact footballers earn life-changing amounts of money to the average person in society, footballers also get treated like royalty compared to the average person. If I am owner of a football club and am paying someone over £10,000+ a week, the minimum I expect is for them to be fit and ready to play football 2-3 times a week. Most footballers don't even play that much.
thats my dawg..
Keown was furious.
I do chuckle when people moan about player fatigue. Most of us normal people, work 5-6 days a week for 50 years , some in a high pressure Jobs, but we don’t get paid 100k per week with all the latest technology to rest, recoup and make our lives better. We have to suck it up and carry on until we’re 65, so don’t give me that bull.
Simon Jordan is spot on too many pundits up Southgates ring piece. We scored early against Italy and folded like a deck chair. Its got nothing to do with progression, it's the fact Southgate got it wrong AGAIN - his mentality is very defensive when we have a team capable of being on the front foot. Imagine Klopp with this group of England players?
Her facial expressions are great