JORDAN vs KEOWN😳😰 Simon Jordan & Martin Keown get HEATED debating Premier League player welfare!
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Keown used to be a "hard man" and he's making arguments like "aubameyang needs to be loved" and "players should protest" 😭
Was thinking that he is such a snowflake
@@ljllob4740 You off course would say that to his face, right?
keown was a proper defender to many wet wipes about
Always been bravado with him
@@overcorpse yes I would he’s not gunna beat me up and risk ruining his reputation
8:30 Aubameyang needs to be loved. *No he needs to get To work on time!*
For such a strong player , Keown is such a weak pundit. Simon is right.
Terrified to mention the players dropping were all injected with mrna.
I love it when Martin is on as he at least challenges Simon’s opinion. Although he never wins haha hard to against Simon. But God loves a trier 😂
@@TT-hx9nj exactly,Simon should check his facts ,He can be so deluded at times.
he was 3rd choice arsenal defender, he was just okay now we've got to listen to him pontificating about ''cultured'' left feet etc
One is a footballer who has actually played the game and knows what the players are ping through. The other is an armchair critic/ex owner who would make his players play 100 games a season for money. Yeah, side with armchair critic.
Simons clarity of thought and his articulate way of getting his points across are excellent
It’s a shame Martin and others on recent programs don’t listen
Simon is spot on in all points in my opinion great analysis
Keep up with your view point simon
I look oi
Very well said 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻
Ok, let’s give the players a winter break. Like Scotland, let’s start the season 2-3 weeks early. Lets see how much the players want a pre season/holiday cut short
This break is due to restrictions to let fans in our stadiums so I can completely understand this. Haven’t heard the hibs players moaning about having 7 games from 24th November to 14th December and then a cup final that sunday.
Yeah cos moving one game means a whole two or three weeks ah actually no it doesn't
The winter break 2019/20 was staggered. 10 teams play one week. 10 teams the next. Gives everyone 2 weeks off
@@DaleG281 yeah mate cause I'm sure my boss come into my office and says hey man would like some extra work for these and those days which you'd have known for years and years and your dad knew........and I say no man I'm tired we should redistribute it for some other day some other time.... tf they get paid millions of pounds.....just get to work
@@DaleG281 there is always a break, it was just moved forward due to the fan restrictions
"the players are burned out" god I wouldn't say that to a nurse working a 10 hour shift over the Christmas period due to staff shortages.
Can’t be serious nurses don’t exert themselves like footballers. These players are running 10k+ a game with a days recovery there simply asking for an extra days rest not less work
@@footballequalslife7452 a nurse averages 6k per shift, and swapping between day and night shifts you would feel the affect. And this is with no days off after. You clearly have no clue.
@@footballequalslife7452 just stop, stop now before you embarrass yourself
Spot on mate can you imagine footballers working for minimum wage working shifts. Then you got footballers doing something they love on hundreds of thousands a week and complaining about it. Could you imagine if they had to work 5 days a week then work Weekends to keep a roof over their head it's embarrassing
@@footballequalslife7452 Embarrassing opinion
Keown masqueraded as a hard man for years 😂 Players don’t know what hard work is 😂😂😂
Simon is on fire all the time👊
The Last Episodes he just smashed Morons, Goblins and anyone else! This man has no fear at all 😅
dude is bitter he lost his cash in football
Something funny about the phrase Simon smashing goblins lmao
Talksport need to put him and gabby abomination on the same show that boy needs to be put In his place
True that! Even the Caledonian goblin was been less insufferable of late.
Simon Jordan is absolutely bang on 👌. You can't be given the world and sit there and complain it's too big. You know from from the start of every season that this Christmas period is on the horizon. It's not a new thing, it's just another thing to complain about.
Exactly! How about make the players an offer of half wages over the Christmas period to supplement the drop in tv/sponsorship/gate revenue whilst they have a break. I wonder how many takers there would be lol
I sincerely doubt asking for 3 days between games is demanding for the world. Heaven will not fall if the next set of games after Boxing Day come on the 29th!
There are better footballers in Germany and Spain who take winter break and earn a lot of money. And at the end of the season, when their international duty comes into play, they aren't too fatigued to play.
@@rohitr9400 True. Although there are also teams that have won trebles, playing more games than the current crop, who got better as the season progressed.
Point is, they’re professional elite athletes. They should be able to handle these games. Especially when players not as fit or well looked after (EFL) are playing every few days all season.
No Simon, no show 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. We are here for it
Simon = Top Lad Proper Clobber 👌
Agree with Simon on this one
Simon's carrying talkSPORT on his back
This show is the only worthwhile show on Talksport. The other shows are a pitiful mix of hacks, shock jocks and diversity hires.
Why didn't they strike at the start of the season when the fixtures were released?
Good point
Literally no club or country in world is complaining apart from Premier League
@@RafaelSantos-di5yw because no other country or league has this kind of schedule.
@@Sproles11 Real Madrid just had to go through 7 games in 21 days and they soldiered through it. Similar with a lot of La Liga teams with congested schedules yet you don’t hear players moaning about it to this extent or getting the press time like it is in England.
@@Sproles11 Other leagues have fixture congestion at different times, like France still plays 38 games with two cup comps
I'd be disrespected everyday for 100k a week.
Without SJ I will barely watch this show
Simon Jordan, take a bow. A polemic genius. You have joined the list of my hero's!
So gay how can u like this man so much jeez
Simon = top LAD proper clobber
@@benwatkins2313 because he's honest and doesn't hide. Unlike yourself behind a screen mocking someone else's opinion
Haha good effort Simon, holding talksport together as usual.
For real
Talksport = simonjordanfm
Imagine telling your boss that you aren't working Fridays because you're 'overworked'.
You would be sent right to the unemployment line, footballers need to get a fucking grip and take the good with the bad.
Hahaha. It's the delusion of comparing yourself to footballers, thinking you do the same type of work. If you want privileges, invest in your damn life!
If you had a highly valuable skill set you could
Not even nearly the same thing. We're talking athletes playing at the highest level of football. Recovery time is a real thing and it can't just be ignored by saying 'you get paid a lot, get on with it' they're not machines.
@@ewan4933 A warehouse worker putting in 60 hours a week is doing ALOT more physical labour than a Footballer. You're right, you can't even compare the two.
I respect Martin as a player, but he has such a simpleton view of this lol. Simon couldn't be more right here.
ironic considering how wrong you are on this... ignorance is bliss my friend
@@grassrootsfootball225 Good one. You literally didn't make a single point. Just annointed yourself right lol. You realize how unhealthy that is? Enjoy that bliss ;)
@@settledown5392 f**k off both you clowns are agreeing with simon you deserve the same level of respect... zilch
@@grassrootsfootball225 lol Sure bro. Great argument lol. Try to get out of your basement more often.
The fixtures weren't suddenly decided, They should've protested at the start, not a week before the game
Offer few hundred k week to anyone else in the world and you could find millions who'd play every funking day. Who do these pampered pricks think they are
We need to stop watching football to make these players feel how real hardworking people feel
You can start. You are the change you've been waiting for. Cancel your TV subscription and stop attending games.
5:12 Martin Keown is so salty the people agree with Simon Jordan 😂 💀
I often wonder how the Liverpool teams of the 1970's and 1980's won so many trophies playing 60+ games on a regular basis, the wimps of today are a bloody joke
they were not athletes , they were drinking smoking and eating crap ..
@@truetothegame2928 Even more impressive
Lol ok let's just never improve anything just because it was doable in the past. Let's just get rid of cars cos I wonder how often my great great grandad was able to drive to work lol. What sort of cavemen wouldn't just look at a sport they play and time the matches so they get fewer injuries and can remain healthier, fitter and at the top level for longer?
@@davyprendergast82 I take it you're a millennial?
@@truetothegame2928 Yet they won everything lol
3:31 the mannerisms of an angry Martin Keown. Haha such a salad finger
What's a Salad finger? I remember Salad fingers..
Bottom line is most players are like most employees. They have no idea of big picture and don’t consider where the money comes from. Players get paid the exorbitant wages they get because of the broadcast deals, sponsorship deals, etc. They pay that with the understanding that they will make money when they broadcast the games. They set the schedule as they are paying for that privilege. If players, managers, etc want to dictate the schedule then they need to accept that the money they are accustomed to will dramatically reduce. I can’t see any of these guys driving a cab in later life as many past players have had to to live.
*"STRIDENT"* is the new word of the month on TalkSport
Keown was a great player, but as a pundit he is really really off.
Yeah Martin,players are collapsing from too many games😂😂…. You’re not allowed to say it may be the vaccines!!
You’ve got Klopp moaning about festive fixture congestion even though it’s the same every season…
You’ve got Rangnick moaning about having two cup competitions in England even though he’s been here two minutes…
If you don’t like it, manage elsewhere.
Go to the championship or the lower leagues and they play three games every 7/10 days across a whole season. The festive period has always been the same… Boxing Day game, 28th/29th game & New Years game. Why is it all of a sudden a massive problem now?
You and your mate in comment are pretty stupid
Been like it for long time so don’t change it. such a good argument.
@@howyoudoing4383 then they should be denied the television revenue that is so lucrative due to the lack of sporting competitions during the Christmas period
Klopp is extremely arrogant and generally he and his team get away with everything. No wonder he thinks he can change English football’s fixtures.
@@As-qz5lr ur perception of the world is very interesting
25 or so players in a squad and they all could get a game but they don't
It's funny how it's only the club's with squads deep and good enough to rotate are the only ones moaning
Ask him if he can seriously think about striking whilst ppl are struggling in this country and NHS workers are on thier knees then he needs a reality check! No words to describe these pathetic footballers 🤬
Simon your opinion is solely based on finances and not the human factor. The players are humans beings the amount of money they make is irrelevant in this situation.
What i wouldn’t give to see Simon and Keane on Sky Sports together, get it done Sky !!
Ex players only it seems
I think it’s a simple trade, you play the congested features you accept that the best players can’t play every game so the quality won’t be as good (doesn’t mean the games have to be bad) or you stagger the games better and the quality is better.
Losing those 3 lots of horrible international fixtures in the first half of the season will help.
Exceptionally well said, Simon.
I make that a 10-7 round to Jordan... Professional footballers cant play 90mins have a days rest and then play another 90mins? In some tennis tournaments players like Andy Murray would play a 3 hour game (with no chance to rest as it's a solo sport) then play about 2 hour game the next day..... Why do these clubs amass massive squads and youth team set ups and never play them??? If they play too much football in the year drop the mega money world wide friendlies.. ohhh they won't do that!! ???
Why does Keown keep coming back to get owned by SJ? And why does TS keep having him back??
Agree! He's a lamb to the slaughter. Good radio though, love hearing the 'hard man' Keown get owned.
@@tommyshelby5904 hard man? Keown is as soft as Eeyore Agbonlohor
To work at its best the show needs a heel whether it be Keown, Sinclair or whoever else to occupy the seat.
What has happened to Martin Kewon!!! Such a melt what is he banging on about! Well said Simon
Time and time again Simon Jordan is spot on.
It's one weekend in a season. Want to join the Real World. Most people work 5 days a week slogging through. If players strike, they've really misunderstood how people will react! It won't end well for the players
Who do you agree with, Simon or Martin? 🤔
100% Simon
Jordan is “The Boss” - would love to work for him!
Keowns heads gone😂😂😂😂
Its not just playing football and training. Its the flying/hotels as well. Its physically taxing. No amount of money can make your body take excessive physical pressure
Keown is a clown. Absolutely schooled here by Mr Jordan
Martin wishes he had at least 1% of Simon's intelligence.
What a small minded clown. He doesn't even understand Simon's point.
Simon has made no point. What's so contentious about having at least 3 days between games? What's next? Have them play everyday because they have to earn their multimillion pay package?
Is this Talksport or MLB Network?
footballers are human beings - being forced to play on an injury can have serious effects on their careers and life after football. just because they're paid a lot of money doesn't mean they aren't employees with rights like the rest of us
Ah bless em!! ..if you can even call it work , how many hours a week do they work ..20hrs tops and paid millions for it … Behave and get on with it!!.. The clubs know this fixture list is coming at the beginning of the season, they should adapt their squad with that in mind!!.. Can I strike if I have to work harder than I want to 🤷♂️
It’s a 8-4 job every day but still 140k plus. I could play 20 times a week 🤣🤣
The thumbnails sending me 🤣🤣
The least important pieces in football are fans and players! Simon is trotting out the owners point of view whose sole aim is profits!!!
Simon is becoming one if the most sensible and credible and factual talking football pundit ..I got to respect it..he's growing on me
Get rid of the international breaks in November and September and have a 2 week break. The problem is that the Christmas break games are big money makers.
Yeah but fifa will kill them like how afcon and Asian games shouldn't be in the season
Bro the squads are massive, no excuse.
How are there more games than before? Haven't second legs and replays been scrapped? There's still 38 games in the Premier League, so how does this affect teams more than it always has?
Simon is spot on, players overpaid prima donnas.
As someone who was self employed for many years, I find it hard to side with the players. Some of us work long unsociable hours, 7 days a week and get on with it. I’d love to be in the position of a premier league player.
Why don't they do what they did in the 50's as best as possible play local derbies over the 26th and 28th e.g. Liverpool v Everton, Man Utd v Man City home and away - cuts out travel for both players and supporters. Look what we have now my club Wolves have to go away to Arsenal on the 26th and then away to Utd on the 28th.
Simon Jordan is spot on day in day out and Martin keown hates it when nobody is on his side. It's ridiculous!, these millionaire footballers have so much in their favour in terms of best facilities, best medical and recovery staff, best way of life! But they can't play 3 games in a week, get a grip!
When simon says you listen
I support players strike. I prefer good quality football and if footballers tell me there are too many games in a short period, I listen to them. I think players should organise
Quite simply the players live on another planet. Simon is spot on. The actual stupid wages and agent fees has pushed football to try and earn more money hence more games on tv. So unless you wana take a cut. Shut up and sit down.
Its a difficult one, I think we as fans can sometimes look at footballers and think 'oh youre earning millions of pounds get on with it', and rightly so to some degree, i agree with simon to some extent. But we also have to remember that footballers are humans, with very short careers too, so when the fixture list is so congested, theres risk of serious injury, which nobody wants, especially not a footballer, whos career is already short. There is also so much at stake in football, and when the fixture list is congested it can probably feel like nobody is capable of delivering their best due to burnout. This conversation isnt as black and white as many like to think, its not as simple as 'get on with it', but its also not as simple as 'change the fixture list. There has to be a solution somewhere in between. If the footballers are saying its too much they have to be listened to, but they also have to acceot the fact that they are the main beneficiaries of the income generated, and as a result, be willing to take a pay cut or something.
Managers have the option to use their full squad, give youngsters a shot and such. They choose not to. You don’t hear the players complaining that the managers are playing them too much and risking injury.
The most sensible comment here, you've actually considered both sides unlike these SJ jackoffs in these comments
@@ibrahimsusman3961 haha couldn't of said it better everyone sucks of Simon it's embarrassing
Fair comment and well balanced, always good to see it from both sides.
Everyone has different situations , different situations bring different things we moan about blah blah. I personally think they should get on with it, but that's easy for me to say as I'm not the one in their shoes.
Wouldn't mind if I was hahahah
@@malone77 yeah its definitely a good problem to have being a footballer! Hahaha, the whole conversation is definitely a storm in a teacup compared to the rest of the problems in the world
I've not seen a business model where people who gain the most benefit want little cost. The higher the benefit the higher the cost.
Say it Simon. Say it!!
That’s why they have a squad. Keown has a very simplistic and frankly blinkered view of most issues. Spot on Simon.
I feel bad for anyone who goes up against simon. These former players just cannot articulate their arguments rightly or wrongly with the same level of knowledge and conviction
Battle of the Spectacles
Keown loves the "without players theres no game" line . Well here's news for you Martin , no fans no game , no clubs no game and the majority of players will be working in low paid professions !!!!
Everybody seems to forget the most important part in all this and it's recovering time. It's a real thing and 1 day is definitely not enough. The quality of football suffers and the risk of players getting injury increases heavily. We have to bear in mind an injury for a player can literally impact their career or even sometimes end their career, because that's what it is for them, it's not just playing a game of football, it's their work. You can say 'well that's what a squad is for' but then you're basically forced into playing a weaker 11 in games which ruins the integrity of the competition.
But it gives much needed game time for player in dire need of it. Its ridiculous that pep bought million euros of bench and still not utilizing them to rest his crucial players for important fixtures.
Goooooo Simon. We are here for your facts. Keep spitting them.
He's a liar
What's he lying about
The only thing he's spitting is bs
@@Anthony-pw5gu or facts
@@adamcraven3427 definitely not facts
That's what a 25 man squad is for a clever manager to use particularly over the festive season, and peak game stages of the season
All 25 are not all first teamers … they’re not all at the same level
How long has football been played on these dates over Christmas period? But now to many games ??
Will players be threatening their clubs to withdraw their labour from lucrative pre-season tours?
Will players be accepting a percentage pay cut in line with the percentage of fewer games played?
Will players be financially compensating the broadcasters for the lost income of fewer games?
Thought not!
Simon is spot on. These guys get paid millions and all they do is moap. Its embarrassing get on with the games. It's the big club complaining the most.
Whats the point of having 30+ players in the squad!? Fickle
If ever the players want to have a seat at a table, they have to be prepared, judging by Martin they just dont seem to even argue on any point that they raise
Keown isn’t a pundit
6:04 players falling over 💉🧫
I agree and not just this season but for many years. The game inbetween boxing day and New Years is silly. There is no need of it
Simon is absolutely bang on these pampered players wouldn’t know a days graft if it bit on the ass
Everytime Simon starts talking he has to mention that he was a football club owner 😂
....and by the time he's finished talking he's just owned someone, usually Keown lol
Keown clueless as always, could the players be more out of touch with the working man/woman than now. Boo hooing because they've got to work a few days over the festive period. Rotation is easy but managers don't want to do it,
And Keown. Using Aguero as an example on how the sport is more demanding is abslutely ridicolous. The guy barely played a game. You need to raise the level of conversation if you want listeners. Sorry to say and merry Xmas I love this show!
Aguero has barely played football since the start of 2020
It's hilarious how Simon references 'cult leader' to Martin every time.
Keown used to go on the pitch and try hurt people. Talking rubbish about player welfare.
Simon did this when he was at Palace, hence why he failed ! ,,, bloke is stupidly bitter
Martin Keown trying hard to look like Talksport top lad clobber Simon Jordan. Where as Simon Jordan sounding deep like Martin Keown.
I get they play alot but come on football is a intense game at the amateur level I could only imagine at the professional Level they’re humans as well. With that being said no fans here will tell you they’d like to see man city vs Liverpool with 7 changes for both sides
The players agreed the contract to play when asked
The fans are the biggest asset buddy
Players are human being yes they make millions but making millions doesn’t make you a robot . It doesn’t make you superhuman. It’s not healthy for the players . The pace of the game is at an all time high and they’re playing 3 games a week that not good
There’s is a lot a games round Xmas but they have 25 squad player if your top players ain’t fit I’m sorry use your 2nd best players
Simon is right 👍
Simon is correct. Disgusting for players to go on strike. They’re paid hundred of thousands of pounds a week and endless recovery resources…. One congested weekend.
But what about league one and league two players who aren't on all that money and have the same grievance in terms of pileup? In actual fact there's more of a pileup as there are 24 teams in those leagues.
Perhaps a wage cut to address playing fewer games would be the solution ?
These footballers are pampered
It's the fault of the managers that players overplay and break down. You know these fixtures are coning months in advance, rotate the team accordingly. Play some U23s whilst a first-teamer is given a few days rest. It's pure entitlement when they whine about the workload, trying doing a 8 or 9 hour shift in retail over the Christmas period instead of whining about playong football for 90 mins every few days.