Martin Keown & Simon Jordan CLASH Over If Arsenal's Bukayo Saka Needs MORE PROTECTION From Fouls 😳🔥
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- TalkSPORT's Martin Keown and Simon Jordan lock horns over Arsenal speaking to the PGMOL for more protection for Bukayo Saka.
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The funny thing is, if Martin was playing against Saka he'd give him a 'reducer' the first chance he got.
If it was Messi then it is a foul.
Like the saying "become hypocrite is easier than become honest".
Keown is a classic "He should be top fouled" television gold
I always crack up whenever someone touts the most fouled statistics.
@@nadeemamode 😂😂🤣 classic
@@fyarlynx
But if it was Messi then nobody would argue on it.
See the Hypocrisy!!!
They need to remove all discussions on Arsenal when Keown is in the studio, objectivity means nothing to him.
Doubt it! Jim and Simon do it on purpose cos they know how biased Martin is! 😂
They need to remove Keown. FIFY ;)
Then you wouldn't watch talksport
but its incredibly entertaining
Simon in the opposite side lacks objectivity when they talk Arsenal too.
I'm just looking at Simon's face as Martin is speaking😂😂
As long as Simon is alive and exist, England will not win any trophy.
Mark my Word!!!
Martin Keown reminds me of Ty 😂
Get them in a room together comedy gold 😂😂
@@Tombola8610 honestly ridiculous
What's mad is that Keown doesn't actually realize how stupid his take on this is 😂
You don't have to be disrespectful to him. Learn how to accept other people's opinion
@@didierdugary6995 no there is peoples opinion and there is stupidity! There is literal facts in front of him that 2 players are fouled more and he’s trying to say Saka is the most fouled! A spades a spade! The guys is a clown!
Don’t be a snowflake and call it what it is
Probably your understanding of the situation is more stupid than his take on the matter.
@@didierdugary6995 Why shouldn't we disrespect obvious stupidity? Especially when it's on show week after week?
Wenger out
When Martin is arguing against *facts* , he’s really clutching at straws
@@JordiBoy_ He's right though. The amount of times Saka is fouled but it's not given is outrageous. That's what Keown is saying. He should be at the top of the list IF the referees were giving the challenges as fouls, when they should be.
@@ScuttleftwI wouldn't bother arguing with rival fans they're playing dumb just to be able to criticize something about Arsenal. Anyone with common sense understands what Keown is saying but once again they just don't want to.
Using the argument that he statistically doesn't get fouled more is like saying a burglar doesn't commit burglaries just because corrupt police officers never arrest him. Regardless of what the police do the burglaries still happened. Regardless of what the refs do and the stats say he's still getting fouled a lot more than they are calling to a degree that's unacceptable
@@robhernandez5520shut up it happens to every teams best players that’s what do,es with being the best player at your time how about he hits the gym and gets stronger and doesn’t bring on so many fouls change his game how about that
@@willtallis5275 Yea I agree it happens but not to the extent that it's been happening with Saka. It's actually ridiculous to the point where somethings gotta be said
@@robhernandez5520 deluded most of the time he goes down over nothing if he wasn’t always looking for a foul then he might actually get more it’s his own fault and arteta for telling him to okay like that and not changing
Martin has lost the plot here. Deluded Arsenal fans who think the world is against them and they are entitled to a free pass for every game. Unbelievable
I’m sorry but Saka isn’t good enough for team to target in that way. He’s a good player but it’s not like Messi getting volleyed every week in Spain.
Playing against Arsenal as a fan of another team I’ve never felt some fear or that the players need to get into Saka 😂
Yeh same here. I like saka but I certainly don’t see why players would fear him. He isn’t this amazing player that can take on anyone. The best thing I see him do is thread the ball into a gap. Everything else he does is just ok.
@@ryanflood635people aren't afraid of him
It's just that Arsenal wide players usually get a lot of one on one situations so you have to tackle or foul them to stop them from getting away or getting a chance
Arsenal fans think he's world class for some weird reason
@@BiggestBirdonMarsno they don’t, they get doubled up on every game.
I don't agree with the point Keown is making but he's double and triple marked every game.
It's a main reason why we look so poor at the moment in comparison to last year. Teams have worked out he is the one that's gonna hurt you and mark him out the game.
Bit rich how one of the dirtiest players in PL history is moaning about a player getting fouled 😂
I find it so bizarre, the hardest player has become the softest man
Spot on!
He's become soft just like the Arsenal fanbase now.
@@nickmildon6348Western culture in a nutshell
Nobody has abused Saka more than Arteta who plays him week in and week out even when it is obvious that young man needed a rest. No wonder he gets plenty of fouls the young man plays every minute of every game
Pair that with the fact that Arsenal attacks the box more often than not through Saka that also runs up the numbers.
💯
Ita unfortunate that Pepe was no where near good enough and that Marquinos needs more time, but he might not even make it as an Arsenal player.
He plays football for a living something that he loves ..He should play every game at that age😅
💯💯💯
Saka falls over at the slightest touch, especially recently when he's playing poorly it's like a crutch for him, he gets less fouls than he should because he's trying to buy ones he shouldn't and has a reputation that is, in my opinion, fairly earned. Grealish should have the same rep but for some reason the refs love giving him a FK when he tumbles to the ground, the difference between him and a player like Salah for example is startling.
Lies lies lies, there’s a reason he’s the third most fouled.
if this where true he would drop soo much more in the box which he never does
IF you take away the bias, take a look at the FK's Grealish gets. He lures players in and holds the ball, he is genuinely fouled. He holds the ball less at City than Villa but either way he often gets really hard chops and he just gets up, walks away and as he said his greatest revenge is assisting or scoring. He has been like that since he was a teenager. I have seen him fake a foul and honestly it's so obvious it's embarrassing 😅
Keown surely just trolling at this stage 😂
It really bugs me when refs don’t give a yellow just because it’s the beginning of the match, and also when they don’t give a second yellow when it is blatantly a yellow card offence.
You just described the culture of Chelsea
It’s called common sense
Watching Villa beat Arsenal i watched Saka get pressured abut 8 times, none of those occasions were what i call a bad tackle or foul. What i did see was Saka go down easy every time begging for fouls. Saka needs to show more tenacity in my opinion.
He does not even go down in the pen box barring on the odd occasion ...you are a Saka hater.
Grow up@@truegunner7223
As a neutral saka is going down to easy@@truegunner7223
You must hate Saka
Saka is mentally and physically soft
Growing up watching Keown play it is honestly very hard to believe that this is his personality off the pitch.... He comes across so soft, lmao....
he isn’t soft, he’s just doing the job his former club pays him to do, PR
That's just stupid. That's like saying that boxers or UFC fighters can't be nice people because of what they do but I'm sure a lot of them are nice people
@@rolocadbury2036 Didn't say anything about "nice".
@@sofakingspurs he pretty much said he comes across as soft after being a tough defender during his playing days. It's the same thing. I doubt most boxers go home and give their wives and kids a beating just coz it's what they do in the ring
'He's not the most fouled, but he should be', what kind of logic is that? Yes there probably has been challenges on him that warranted a foul that weren't given, but how many that were given shouldn't have been? How many should have been given on other players that weren't given? We could go on and on about this forever and still not come to the same conclusion, completely subjective.
because he does not get the calls , hence not the fouls
@@dreadybunks3411 I stated above he probably doesn't get some, I like how you ignored literally everything else I said.
I am getting sick of Arsenal and all their crying.
Ya not the only 1 dude, action man flappin about on the touchline winds me up every game aswell
I think we all are. Arteta is loathsome at this stage and Saka has been diving for a few years now and getting away with it.
Well do something about it😂😂
"Hair flick" FC at it again
I'm getting sick sick of var for double standards
It's as if when Keown retired from football he also handed in his man card
Keown is just amazing, he wants all sorts of rules to be altered to benefit arsenal, maybe we should just remove the other 19 teams from the league. We were proud to see grealish top of the fouls list as he showed that he was such a dangerous player.
The fact he is 4 foot 2 and about 8 stone wet through probably has something to do with getting fouled. You only have to look at him and he is on the deck.
Yeah, those stats seem legit
@@jameshamblin8440 5,10 and 10 stone. If you can’t see through the obvious exaggeration. Iv had bigger roast dinners than him lol.
@@ryanflood635he’s actually incredibly strong if you watch him properly. Just gets kicked, just like Diaby, Eduardo, Aaron Ramsey. They should have just toughened up shouldn’t they?
@@mf289yeah they should hit the gym and get stronger and maybe adapt his game to not invite fouls all the time and how many times does this kid look for fouls the whole arsenal team do it and have done since arteta has been there always looking for fouls not every contact is. Foul and he’s still arguing with facts arteta wouldn’t have said anything if his team won the last 5 games but becuzse they haven’t won in 5 he need a to complain about something rather than just geting his team to play better and score more it’s Always everyone else’s fault but their own
@@willtallis5275 hitting the gym doesn’t stop you snapping your leg from a studs up challenge.
Saka tackles dirty. He have a style to run up behind you and then just put his foot across you. He hurt Tsimikas that way. Also did it numerous times in his last few matches.
just a reminder , Saka should have been send off agasint Liverpool...go and watch the tackle
Lmfao. No.
Was a shoulder to shoulder, pool player just wasn’t strong enough.
poor Martin, zero self awareness
Football will be a contactless sport the way things are going……”touch soccer”
Love Simon smirking before that fool starts speaking
2024 and Keown still waffling!!!
Makes Danny Murphy look intelligent & interesting 😂
boo hoo hazard had that no moans there
Exactly he even said its a compliment
I applaud Martin for speaking TRUTHS about these 2 consistently trying to CREATE a NARRATIVE about ARSENAL!! It was a meeting and NOT a letter written 1st of all. How did the complaint become public knowledge? I wonder if any other clubs concerns for their team will be leaked like Arsenal's was. Protection means players get carded with their !st hard challenge NOT the 5/6 tackle. CARDS ARENT BEING GIVEN HENCE THE COMPLAINT!!!
Bore off 😂😂😂😂
The statistics provided are fouls when the ref deems it a foul and gives a free kick. keowns point is that he is the most fouled (with or without the ref blowing the whistle).
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
How do u put Keown on radio?
Saka himself play dangerous fouls, he should have been sent off against Liverpool. He shoulder charged Tsimikas out of game to the hospital.
I remember bernado silver hanging off salah and salah didnt get the foul.
Silva did
If you hog the ball too much …. You’re going to get tackled …. Maybe saka should pass it more and quicker ?
There wasn't a specific letter sent to PGMOL dedicated to tackles against Saka, this is an issue that was brought up in a general meeting that was about something more important, this isn't a separate issue.
Another stat they failed to mention:
Most cards drawn in the Premier League this season (fouls won in brackets):
14 - Raheem Sterling (31)
9 - Morgan Gibbs-White (32)
8 - Josh Brownhill (18)
8 - Luis Díaz (22)
8 - Anthony Gordon (38)
7 - Phil Foden (33)
7 - Bukayo Saka (43)
What this means is that you have to foul Saka SIX TIMES before a card is drawn. The other two guys on this programme are biased against Arsenal and it’s clear.
Keown is absolutely right, players can do a couple of dirty fouls on Saka and yet not get booked. Hazard used to deal with that and look what happened to him since he moved to Madrid. Players need to protected, and refs can set the tone very early in the game. Stop hating on Arsenal and be objective.
Arsenal are turning from a well respected club into a joke. Whining about VAR and refs having an agenda against them, manager throwing tantrums on the touchline every week, now crying that one of their players is the 3rd most fouled player in the league? Need to get a grip
Klopp spent the entire Newcastle Game moaning. He also said the same about salah in previous years. But yh it’s all arsenal.
@@mf289 klopp is just as bad. Just because one does it doesn’t mean another doesn’t.
@@Graziak5 the narrative is hardly the same is it? Pep does it as well
What he actually needs is for arteta to find a suitable back that can play so saka doesn't have to play 100 percent of games .
It was so obvious how saka gassed out last season from being overplayed and he still hasn't gotten a rest . It's going to happen again this year.
Arsenal will regress this year after spending all that money because Arteta doesn't know how to rotate a squad
Arteta game management poor.
Has Martin lost all sense of reality these days? Every time he speaks, I genuinely wonder if he's just winding everybody up.
I know he's so far inside his own mind sometimes, mayhem in there
"Fulham were Bullying Arsenal" its called football you Numbty
"He should be top" 🤣🤣🤣 What a joke of a pundit.
Arsenal are pathetic for this, Players win fouls, Players get fouled mostly because of the style of football they play, Nothing more.
Saka should be top of the list. The only reason is not is because refs don't give them as fouls. hence why the stats have not picked these.
No unfortunately iwo tracks back and makes challenges that's why he gets fouled more , could say the same for almost all players who play out on the wings, but it depends on how much they track back to where they are on the list , so players like Saka who play from inside his half gets fouled alot more than maybe a Salah he stands on the half way line , this is a silly debate anyway .
Didn't go to PGMOL. Didn't write a letter it was in pre season conversation with club and PGMOL. Like every club has, apart from a private conversation got leaked to the press
Anyone with eyes can see saka getting kicked from the moment the game kicks off
Well, why don't they talk about the whole article this comes from!?
It hasnt just been this season though its been the last 3
Actually, the fact that he is 3rd in the list emphasizes that his fouls are not given. "More protection" means give the fouls SIMPLE...
The only shock here is that Salah isn’t in the top 3, he’s hacked at every game but isn’t on the list because refs don’t even give free kicks
Exactly
Every 4 fouls on sake there is only 1 card, martin keown didn't prepared enough the arsenal complaints is it take so many fouls on saka to give, the argument is not he is most fouled player, jim and simon did dirty on martin, they have cleraly an agenda
😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
Agreed, Simon clearly has an agenda against Arsenal.
You would have sent him in to the stands 😂 that did make me chuckle
Keogh was a taller version of Chopper Harris and should talk in very measured and thoughtful tones about giving attackers a gentle time because he rarely did within or outside the rules.
I watched Chopper Harris in driving snow take out a Tooting and Mitchum amateur winger with a sliding tackle that put the player out of the match. And that was a charity game!!! Todays players don’t realize how good they have it - by my calculation, Ska is getting fouled about once every quarter of a game. Hardly excessive- this is a non debate imo.
@@mikepearson3226 I watched Chopper regularly in the 60s as a boy, though I didn't support Chelsea. Every team had somebody like him: Utd had Foulkes and Stiles; Newcastle had Scoular; Spurs had Mackay and so on. I remember Harris trying to literally chop George Best into two at a night game at the Bridge. Best was entirely unfazed, and gave the entire Chelsea defence the run around, especially Ken Shellito marking him, and Chopper, who repeatedly attempted to kick Best into the terraces.( Actually into the greyhound track that encircled the pitch in those days.) Best was fearless and brilliant and the Chelsea crowd gave him a great ovation at the end.
Best was one of the greatest players I ever had the privilege to watch in the flesh. Brilliant player . I miss football in those times - on difficult surfaces in appalling weather . While it’s right to eliminate the violent tackles of those days , the game is completely different and worse for it.
Sakas on his back more than Keowns hairline
The last point on this is who said this on the Saka thing
how of his fouls are slight contact?
Saka gets kicks from pillar to post every week. Players get 3 kicks before anything is done.
Arguing against statistics is crazy but more importantly Saka broke someone's collar bone nobody wrote to pgmol.
Ayew is a pro foul drawer, he entices opponents to professional foul. Zaha was pro at that too, same as what grealish does.
Saka on the other hand is just pedestrian and dwells , as he can't go past a player with his right , his infield cut back into his favoured left foot gets him fouled for his predictable play
I'm not an Arsenal fan but Keown is 85% right he almost touched on it but bottled it by not saying why. Grealish, Foden get awarded a foul if someone passes wind next to them. Salah and Saka have WWE wrestling done to them in front of some linemans eyes every game but get nothing. Your gonna then say but what about VAR. VAR doesn't need to get involved in decisions that don't lead to a goal/or involve dangerous play. It's blatant discrimination. Ooooh but what about Jordan Ayew, does it really matter if he gets awarded them or if he doesn't. Think about it that PGMOL is a controlled dictatorship mafioso organization. Who has been influencing games since the mid 90s
So you think its a league wide conspiracy not to give fouls on saka and salah do you?
@@sofakingspurs When's the last time you remembered Salah to have dived? Simon Jordan mentions at every opportunity that Salah goes down like he's been shot every time he talks about him. While Kane, Grealish and co go down at every chance they get to get con a free kick. Shearer was up in arms about Jota the other day but calls Kane clever. I'm not a fan of either Arsenal or Liverpool. I just call out unconscious bias when I see it. And if you can't see it your one of them or worse.
@@franklinsaint84 Kane, grealish, salah and Saka all dive.
1. We didnt go to PGMOL there is a monthly meeting to speak about games. 2. He is kicked off the park but not all are given. 3. It takes more fouls on him before a card is given. 4. this isnt the 1st time a manager has complained about one of his players getting kicked. 5. Again we are being told we dont like to be kicked last time we got 2 broken ankles 1 broken leg, and a broken ankle and ligament damage that almost lost his foot.
Saka needs to learn to use his right peg for more than just standing on
Martin ‘PGMELO’ Keown
😂😂😂😂
Heard it all now
The absolute nerve of the man, after him and his mates used to target Ronaldo and try to kick him off the pitch. It used to be entertaining watching Martin constantly embarrassing himself and getting cooked by Simon….now it’s just a bit cringey.
Keown actually advocating for Arsenal players to surround and bully the ref to stop their mate getting tackled 🤣
They don't use their defensive skill and just lash out and foul.
Simon Jordan, you need to understand subjects you argue about. They are not saying Saka should not be fouled. They are saying the refs should give them as fouls when Saka has been fouled. The refs don't even give these fouls although he's recognised to be among the most fouled players. And all you find is to bring stupid arguments about Arsenal bottling the Premier league last year, etc.
So Martin Keown, heard you love a good statistic: Ayew, Guimaraes and Saka have all played 19 games. Ayew: 65 fouls received (1st), 32 fouls committed (4th) for +33; Guimaraes: 53 FR (2nd), 30 FC (5th) for +23; Saka: 43 FR (3rd), 23 FC (11th) for +20. This would indicate not only does Saka play just as much on the edge as Ayew or Guimaraes but that on average Saka will foul more than get fouled compared to Ayew or Guimaraes. Now Martin, would you share the same opinion if Spurs approached the PGMOL for more protection of their players? Case in point. Spurs are statistically the most fouled team in the EPL this season with 292 fouls, 38 more than Aston Villa in 2nd place. Arsenal? 8th place with 215. Now compare Saka with the lack of protection Spurs' James Maddison (out with an ankle/foot injury) has received this season. Even after missing 8 matches, Maddison is still in 11th place, receiving 30 fouls. That's 2.73 per match compared to Saka at 2.26 per match. Yet Maddison has only committed 9 fouls (0.82 per match) compared to Saka (1.21 per match). Statistically, what if Maddison had completed all 19 matches this season? 51 fouls received, 15 committed for +36, nearly double Saka's +20. Why let statistics get in the way of your 'narrative', Martin?
Saka feels he’s more entitled than Sir Marcus of Rashford
Talksport, wasn't this during a meeting it was raised? Simon, was a letter sent by Arsenal to the PGMOL?
The worrying bit it in all is that this is just rumours. It’s not factual that Arsenal fc actually complained to pgmlo. Even if they did, how does this come to the media, if there’s no hatred towards afc?
I like Keown but the start of this is just daft. The stats are the stats. Also, keown was exactly the sort of player to rough up the opposition's skilled players to limit their impact.
Keown the player who took no prisoners as a player imagines that Saka is the most targeted player based on nothing but his own biases.
stats do lie , I am an accountant by education , numbers do lie
‘Decapitate’ when Saka actually stuck a leg out at Palhinha after the aforementioned clean tackle ffs
Take it as a compliment - he's the biggest threat in the Arsenal team so teams go out of their way to stop him from influencing the game! If he doesn't like it, learn to dribble like Messi!
Most of those fouls will be minor. There are very few hard tackles these days. If you want more protection for players let's also have more action against the cheats, those players who pretend to be fouled or hurt.
Crystal Palace did the same with Zaha and nothing was done, Saka needs to give it back, I was only a Sunday league player but if someone was trying to intimidate me they were getting a taste of their own medicine at some point in that game
Can you ask Keown why Salah is not being fouled when he plays the same position like Saka?
Omg i dont belive that soccer journalists make conjectures solely based on these statistics.
Statistics do not tell nothing by their own sometimes!!!!
First, I mean what if some players fall easily (I think Saka is the ones that even if he be tackled by a "foul" tackling he tries to stay on his feet !!! )😅Jordan usually falls to take the foul and waste time sometimes. Dribble attenpts are not to score (do not have attacking prospective) but to somehow fall on the oponent and claim a foul. However, i can admit he is a good dribbler and that not all fouls he gained were taken for that reason.
Gimarae's is mostly tackled because he covers the ball his his body(not try to dribble). He is not that good dribble.
Second, the fouls on Saka are harsh and dangerous!! How a player can play if he knows that if attempt to dribble i will be hit badly. Also knowing that more likely he will be hit by tackling as a results of teams new defensive tactic against him he attempt to dribble fewer times. The only thing he can win is a foul on wide area - not very useful for a team that have won probably the moat corners in the league.(so less attempts for saka to dribble means less foul gained). If yellows are not given he tries less
FY: I take no side on whether the complaint is correct or not. Just stating what most most people miss by juat looking the data.😅
Keown constantly making a fool of himself when it comes to his defending of Arsenal lol.
Antonio in WH doesent get any freekicks at all. No mather what treatment he gets from defenders. Just becouse hes so big and strong.
It's just clouding over the fact that we lost two games in a row and we have been rubbish. That is what we should be talking about.
Protection for players. I didn't know Arsene Wenger is back 😂
Not players. Saka just him, apparently he's being targeted for some strange reason 🤷🏾♂️
I find it quite remarkable that Keown is complaining about fouls- he wasn’t exactly a bridesmaid when he played!!!
Matin keown would probably approve bodyguards surrounding saka on the field.
This is the Martin keown who was almost fighting van nistelrooy after that penalty! He'd make a good politician would keown, loves the sound of his own voice and never comes out with anything worth listening too.
Like Arsenal have never had players that kicked lumps out of other players themselves.
Keown: they are bullying us. Please protect us😢😢
The statistics are probably on actual given fouls, so you cant just go off of fouls alone, i watch arsenal and the amount of times he can get cleared out and nothing given is surprising, granted it doesn't help that arteta plays him almost every game
And yet the same argument can apply to Bruno and ayew
Making up a scenario to suit what you think is not actual facts.
I never said I'm trying to form my own narrative, I'm just saying going off those stats alone doesn't count for a whole picture same could potentially be said for ayew and bruno, it was silly of arsenal to come out with a complaint about such a thing, yes saka may be getting fouled more but teams have also wised up to him, doubling up on him, getting their wingers to track back, or even just having to the centre back sit off a bit and jump in if he gets past the full back
Keown fighting hard to defend the 'facts' in his head,
Simon and Jim have an easy job...
Its part of the game
Known is correct
Does Hodgson cry about Ayew getting fouled the most in the PL, or Howe crying about Bruno 😂.
Saka deserves more protection than Ayew and Bruno who the hell does Keown think Saka is!
I agree with Jordan and agbonlahor for once. Am I in the right universe?
Saka doesn't get fouled he buys them
So what; Saka deserves special treatment, Cmon now 😂😂😂😂
Paulinho was a great tackle on Saka