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If a prem club £200m squad can't beat a £5m squad in one match, they deserved that replay.
Yeah that is true
Good point
Bang on. Completely agree. It's not all about the prem. Replays are an incentive for smaller clubs.
But that incentivises a low block, no risk taking and so on for the lower league club who want a replay. Do we want that? Maybe make it a one-off game (with penalties after 90 mins) and automatically give it to the lower league club to host so they get the financial benefit. We'd see more teams taking risks angling for a giant killing then, and it's another way to support the pyramid based on performance.
does replay apply to only games with a premier league?
Thomas Frank, the manager of a premier league club that has never won a major trophy claiming that a replay and therefore still being in the FA cup is the "worst possible outcome", is frankly astounding. It really isn't that farfetched for Brentford to go a cup run and have an outside chance of winning it. What's even more astounding is that Brentford have spent the vast majority of their history in the third and fourth tiers of English football and will have benefitted from cup replays in the past.
simple answer for Herr Flick, erm I mean Frank - forfeit the game;
Yeh it is bewildering to hear, one has to pull their jaw from the floor. The replays in the FA Cup are a unique flavour that you have to navigate. If you take them away then it becomes almost identical to the league cup but with more teams. Part of the prestige of winning the FA cup is that you run the risk of these replays so strategies are required to negotiate this.
there is no financial benefit for the mickey mouse cup next to no prize money its not rocket science ffs lol
must be a woolwich fan🤣🤣
5 wins in 5 months, he should be begging for a replay
Simple:
1 If clubs from the same division are drawn against each other, then it’s concluded on the day.
2. If clubs of different divisions are drawn against each other, a replay takes place. That way it ensures the ‘smaller clubs’ get a replay that helps with their finances.
Nobody wanted to see a reply of Everton v Palace, but non-West Ham fans would love to see Bristol City turn us over in the replay.
I agree
Replays are integral to the FA cup. Don’t like it, play the kids and try to win the league cup which is preferable for you.
@@Dude0000 If both teams don't want a replay in what way are the replays "integral"?
@@Dude0000 fa cup is just as Mickey mouse as league cup now 🤣
Has been since 1991 no money in it for even the lower leagues 🤣
Critchley is spot on!
How many games are Brentford even playing? 38 in the league, 2 in the League Cup, maybe 2 or 3 int he FA Cup... it's fewer than Championship clubs play in the league! League 1 and 2 clubs play a minimum of 51 games a season.
Keep the tradition. I love the smaller teams giving everything on the pitch to fight these big dragons. I love English football for exactly this reason.
Smaller clubs need the replays especially when it’s back in their home ground .. if a L1 team gets a draw with a premiership team they deserve the 2nd chance ..
The whole pyramid can’t be changed just to suit the Premiership teams ..
The "pyramid" is utopian nonsense. It is over
In spain all big teams play away from on a one leg tie, which gives the lesser team the home advantage, plus their revenue. Why can't England just adopt that.
Spot on
@@stan040because it’s more exciting when an underdog team beats a bigger one or gets far in the tournament against all odds. Look at Grimsby last season. That’s why the FA cup is so good
@stan040 nobody is talking about Spanish cup football because the interest isn't there. Why adopt something that doesn't work? The only reason this is a debate is because of these people bought into English football that don't understand its values and prestige wanting an easier ride
As a fan of Liverpool, I'd still want replays out of respect of the footballing pyramid.
If your players are fatigued you can always rotate and give opportunities to the academy players, that's what it's all about.
👍👍👍👍 well said 🖤🤍🖤🤍
Correct, what’s the point in having big squads if they can’t rotate them. There’s still loads of PL managers play second string teams in both cup competitions
@@Davybhoy25 absolutely mate, and this is why these managers and players get paid the big bucks! Usually with more money comes more work/ responsibility, why is it any different in the world of football?
Why not interview English managers that have played in the fa cup rather than foreign managers that don’t care or understand the fa cup
exactly they are changing the game so much to suit foreign managers league games on Boxing day will be scrapped next
Bloody foreign managers coming over here taking our clubs away from likes of Rooney,Lampard Gerrard 🤔
Because most of the coaches are foreign anyway. Just look at the top 4 in the prem, 3 of those managers are Spanish. That’s why we have a mediocre championship level England coach, who will never win anything. Makes sense why the Spanish teams win so many tournaments.
Replays should stay. Small clubs earning a replay at Anfield, Old Trafford or St James Park is a massive part of FA Cup tradition.
The F.A Cup is over 100 years old, it's an iconic symbol in English Football. Why? because it brings all the clubs together in one Tournament, so a non League Club, could play at Anfield, Old Trafford, Ethihad etc. Which would then lead to TV coverage, if that same club gets a Replay, they then earn more money. Some lower League Clubs, have been saved because of the money, they earned from a good Cup run. So if they get a replay, they earn more money. The big clubs don't care, as they don't earn big money from replays, so couldn't care less if they scrap it. All this changing things in Football, is getting stupid now. Look at the Champions League, when we had that season where Tottnham and Liverpool, had that epic semi Finals. When they beat Barcelona and Ajax. When Away goals counted, they have changed that rule now. So we won't see that again, as teams won't go for it in away games anymore. People are wanting to change to much to the game, its been fine, for decades now. Just leave the beautiful game alone, can't even put a decent tackle in anymore, with VAR and the soft players. Thats why in the 90s and early 00s, it was football at its peak, as it had the right balance.
The away goals rule was the worst rule in European football. Away team in the 1st leg only got 90mins to score away goals whereas in the 2nd leg the away team could possibly get 120mins to score away goals ! How was that fair ? 2nd placed teams in the group stages played away in the 2nd leg of the first knockout round so we're getting the advantage of 120mins . How was that fair to the group Winners ! Uefa should have changed that rule 20 years ago at least. Jose mourinho's Inter Milan benefited from this unfair rule on their way to champions league victory!
They want to change football to suit the rich teams , thats why footballs soul is dying and the scrapping of FA cup replays is another symptom
No chance should the replays be scrapped. They are massive for smaller clubs and it helps trickle money down the pyramid.
Man City could refuse a replay, not turn up and still get away with it.
man utd did one year lol
Cup replay is an English tradition should never get rid of it especially in the fa cup
You act like replays have always been a part of FA Cup. They have not.
@@environm3ntalist549 i didn’t say that I said it’s a tradition I think you will find in the old old days they used to have many replays until someone one and don’t think it’s fair on the lower clubs anyway plus lower clubs play more games
When it comes to replays it seems the only fatigued players are premier league players. Never change the FA cup and get it back to 3pm on a Saturday afternoon.
This is flawed but I wonder if this could work.
On the day the draw is made, there could be a voting system, each team can vote for or against replaying the tie if there is a draw, and if both teams vote no then it goes to extra time/pens on the day if necessary, this would most likely stop PL clubs complaining whilst still benefitting lower league clubs financially
It's down to fatigue say managers in a 20 team league, because several of them couldn't beat teams 2 divisions below, who play 8 games more a season. Meanwhile the big clubs Sounness cites are happy that the Champijons league will mean 2 games more, and European football for 7 or 8 clubs. On top of that, clubs fly off for end of season friendlies - Considering Liverpool played their youth team, whilst playing World Cup in 2019 Brentford don't deserve to complain - if they don't want the replay, simply forfeit the game
In Portugal, I think they have no domestic cup replays. It goes straight to penalties. However, any side from a lower league automatically gets a home draw. This does remove the possibility of a big away draw and subsequent gate receipts windfall...but it seems to me it reduces fixture congestion while also giving smaller clubs an advantage, making upsets a bit more likely
I would keep replays because smaller clubs it's helps them
Replays must say, its vital for the lower division clubs. And keeps the magic of the Cup going for longer. Perhaps the PL clubs could try harder to win the ties first time instead? Neil Critchley is spot on.
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Years ago I said that the Scottish Premier would be bad for Scottish football in general and when the English followed suit I said it would have the same effect on the English game.
The tail wagging the dog is a personal favourite of mine when it comes to Simons phrases
Its only thw preniership managers complaining haha i love thr replays especially if its a bigger team having to go away to a lower league team
Its a sorry state of affairs when a manager comes out with the line ' A draw is the worst result '
I don't agree that replays should be scrapped but I do agree with trying to finish the tie first time around and think that extra time should be played..
And add in premier league teams having VAR in FA cup but the other teams don’t it’s a joke
I propose a winter break with FA cup replays taking place on that weekend for 3rd round.
After that, mid week.
Clubs can always choose which competition to prioritise. An attraction of the FA Cup is the luck of the draw, the opposition dictating whether you can rotate your squad, or whether you need to field your strongest XI .
Every team that draws their cup tie, rather than replay eachother again, all those teams are drawn again to play another team that drew thet round.
It would still mean replays, but a bit more excitement than playing the same team again
That is the stupidest thing I've heard
@@ryanjones6166 it's not
@@XX-yn9zj well I don't agree that the FA cup isn't exciting, but let's say if this mad idea is introduced and the teams draw the 2nd game is there a re-draw again.. the debate is about playing less games not playing more games to add excitement
@@ryanjones6166oh no, the debate is already settled in my head overall, just play the replay and stop moaning. There was a few arguments made here overall
If arsenal Vs Liverpool draw yesterday, seeing them in an FA cup third round replay is a bit dull, we've just seen it. The problem is atmosphere in the cup.
Getting those teams that drew into a new draw for the replay instead, at least adds more excitement.
Also, a league two team could play away against man united for example, draw, and then end up playing Liverpool away for the replay, meaning even more money for the lower league teams. Which seems to be the biggest argument.
The early rounds of the fa cup are very boring to a lot of people and it's because given the choice, you would rather win the Premier League, Champions League, Europa League, Championship - Probably even League one and the Europa conference league or finish in the top four in the premier league before you actually would want to win the FA Cup nowadays.
@XX-yn9zj makes absolutely no sense and I go back to my original statement that is the stupidest thing I've heard. I like most enjoy seeing lower league teams playing on TV and the upsets. The FA cup is know for is prestige and history around the world, why would you want to change that appart from greed and money of the owners and managers who see it as a hindrance
What about teams that are actual in europe and or the caraboa cup....some of these lower table teams shoukd probably want the extra game
They should have replays until there is a winner. I remember fa cup final replays. Fa cup semi final replays. Sometimes 2 replays. Great fun. Keep replays like the old days. And if a fixture congestion tough. That’s the way it is
The thing is big clubs don’t always play to win the game outright. They put squad and youngsters in. That’s why we see so many replays
Sounesses face when Simon said keown talks tripe 🤣
What about the revenue from the reply.... smaller clubs benefit from the replay.
Getting sick of hearing foreign managers constantly moan about the English game; no winter break, no league cup, no FA cup replays....
However, it was Fergie that did most damage to the FA cup years ago.
I don't think taking replays away is a bad idea. But I think the best way of getting interest back in the fa cup is to give a champions league place to the winners, rather than to 4th place . Unless the winner comes from the top 3, in which case, 4th place should get the place, as opposed to the runner up of the cup. It would drum up a lot of interest back in the cup
Prem teams should perhaps put their actual first teams out if they don’t want to risk a replay. It’s simple.
many have
If you don’t want the replay, tell your team to go all out attack and risk the counterattack. More attacking, interesting football matches. All else fails let opponents score in last minute and say “good game”.
Scrap replays but let the clubs reverse the fixtures if they can mutually agree on it. So if Solihull are drawn at home against Arsenal but they would prefer the payday at the Emirates, they should be allowed to reverse the fixture.
Teams should be playing to win, not for a payday replay anyway.
The interest in the FA Cup isn't what it was? As a Leicester fan I disagree. When we won the thing in 2021 it was a moment I'd been waiting for since our final defeat in 1961. Replays are a fundamental part of the competition.
if it's a draw at a premier league ground and the do away with a replay then if it goes to penalties the money split in that game should be heavily and i mean heavily in favour of the lower leagues side if they are knocked out.
Watching Souness stir his coffee is hypnotic
Always a weirdo in the comments.
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I wouldn't mind the League Cup be played for Championship teams and below. Or, whoever finishes outside of the European places in a premier league season, play in that cup the next season.
I am ALL FOR scrapping replays and proceeding with one game which ends in a penalty shootout.
If my local team faces Newcastle at home and we draw then yeah sure a replay would be great for finances. But winning a penalty shootout gives you the same chance to progress as your opponent. Going through will also provide lesser teams with more money than a replay ever could, plus a higher chance of facing a Premier League team anyway. So where is the problem with scrapping replays?
this is about the money that a lesser team would get if they play a replay at Anfield, Old Trafford, and all of those big names. For the lower league team is about some extra cash they can get by playing the reverse fixture.
@@andreidoanca4262 but they will have more chance of going through in 1 game with a penalty shootout at the end of it if they win instead of proceeding with a replay. If they win and go through from the first game then they will get more money than a replay would, with an even higher chance of going away to a Prem team.
there's no guarantee that the next match is played away at a big stadium so there's no guarantee of the extra income. I get what you're saying, unfortunately this is more about money than it is about football@@Mac_Kymera
Cant believe replays are even a thing
Would you guys mind if the League Cup was for EFL clubs only? Would that increase interest from PL clubs in the FA Cup?
I thought that myself, it could work.
Just scrap the league cup. More focus on the FA cup
Keep all the cups and just get on with it.
These lads are fitter have bigger squads and are able to use more subs, than ever before.
Just get on with it
Keep all the cups and just get on with it.
These lads are fitter have bigger squads and are able to use more subs, than ever before.
Just get on with it
Should go straight to penalties, the amount of fixtures is insane. Conclude the game on the day there and then.
If there are more games you have to adjust the way teams play to accommodate the physical effects. No good complaining a marathon is to long because you want to sprint the whole way.
The last fan blatantly just watched the tifo
video about united not playing the FA Cup
Wasn't Critchley the one that took the kids to Villa when Liverpool were upset they had too many games?
If premier league clubs do not want replays, then get the job against whoever first
We need them especially for small mid table clubs like
Man United and Chelsea 🤣
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No, this would be just giving in to the big clubs again. If they don’t want a replay then just win the game 🤷🏻♂️ if that means playing your strongest team so be it
Bin FA Cup replays between Prem or Championship teams! But give League One/Two teams or lower the option of a replay if they have earned a draw n need it for the money! Best of both Worlds! 🙏
As part of ‘progress’ games should be played out to a finish on the day
FA cup games with these unheard of teams are so boring.
Literally worse than international friendly games. would rather watch England vs Moldova again.
Jim's argument that the Bolton keeper played well and therefore deserves another game is inherently stupid. Players have great games and then lose all the time. That's part of playing any sport.
Two mid-lower EPL sides, or two championship sides, two comparable sides from any league for that matter, replaying a 3rd round cup tie is just boring and drags out the tournament. Agree with Simon on seeding and also extra time and pens rather than replays would be better.
Smaller teams should be begging for no more replays. They have a far better chance of beating a big team in a one off game, then they do in two.
Ask both clubs if they want replay, if one says yes, you have it. Both say no, then don't. Not chaos.
To revitalise the fa cup its winner should play 4th spot in premier league in a play off at Wembley for a champions league qualification
Why are they complaining about replays. Just play your second string of players and rest your first choice players for the Premier league games. That way you get the best of both worlds. Your first team get a rest and your second string get to play a competitive game and gain vital experience
Brentford have won 5 games in 5 months, Frank should be begging for more games to give them a chance of winning
but it wont give them 3 points which is what they need and soon lol
Non English people complaining about the FA cup , meaning nothing to them , what a shock
The FA cup is an English tradition. Keep it how it is. Foreign managers need to start showing some respect for the domestic competitions. If you don’t want a replay, then play your first team instead of the youth academy and smash the opposition.
Also why the FA Cup has fallen as a relevant competiton because its stuck in its "ways". I'm sure the selective VAR treatment and televising dross like Villa vs Middlesborough is what people want to see.
As an LFC fan who have a great tradition in it as a tournament I’d rather dump the league cup and keep the FA cup.
The players get paid enough. They only played 38 league matches in the EPL. Of course they should play replays.
Sentinements and values taking a back seat over commerce - that shows how far the scoiety, especially the British football society, has fallen
The answer is yes. I disagree with Jim’s point about ‘just get on with it.’ That’s NOT the question.
We are all dealing with change. Denial of change only brings disaster.
The question is, should the FA stop replays, because football is being damaged by too many games?
There several routs to deal with more games. And they all point at making more money.
Q. Is the FA cup the same comp it used to be?
A. It can’t be the same comp. That’s denial of change.
Its alright prem teams saying we don't want a reply, what about league 2 conference teams etc the money they get with the reply keeps teams a float
Surely as a manager you would rather have penalties, than play another 90 mins against a prem league team. I get the money aspect of a replay but getting into the next round is also crucial.
No, having a chance to go to a prem ground to see your team is more enjoyable. Pens isn’t a guaranteed win either
Extra time is big no no players are more prone to injuries in extra time just do 90+minutes then pens
Yes we need cup replays. Most clubs need them for the extra cash. Let's keep having replays again until there's a winner
What a disgrace Souness is for calling for replays to be scrapped ; he more than anyone ought to know how much smaller clubs rely on the revenue from those replays and how much its entrenched in the tradition of the FA Cup.
Simons idea as a seeding is good as long as every premier league club play away for the 3rd and 4th rounds
But there is also money to be one for the lower teams by sneaking through the rounds. League 2 Wrexham could get drawn vs. National League round 4 then get through to big team in Round 5.
its peanuts to every club unless you in the 9th tier lol
@@si4632 it’s not peanuts to National League teams. Maybe above that but even in League 2 you are still buying players in the 100k’s range.
and how many rounds have a non league club got to play to get to a final🤣🤣🤣🤣
wrexham are not a normal non league club are they lol they have cash
i know they in the league now bet just getting promoted from non league gave them more cash than if they won the mickey mouse cup, its a joke
If the premier league teams don’t want to play replays why do they field a weaker line up. This diminishes the FA Cup straight away. Pick a stronger team and get the job done.
An FA cup replay can be massively beneficial to a club down the pyramid, Simon is right... do the job in 90min then no need for a replay to mess up your prem fixture list and worry about tiredness. Always foreign managers who moan over this as if its some excuse
keep cup replays its not all about the top 6! none negotiable!
Premier League clubs should give over all the revenue from cup games to lower league clubs and not have any replays.
I say play replays and allow the big clubs to give the kids from the academy a game. More chance of upsets that way.
sick to death of whinging foreign managers about replays they have 50 men squads ffs 50 to 100000 a week wages, the ECL ruined the top league by cutting the teams down to 20 now they wanna ruin the lower leagues chances of glory and much nedded money. tell you what let them have a PL cup and have the FAcup for the rest of the football league
To bring the interest back in the FA cup, I would make it so the winner get a spot in the Champions League and if the winner has already qualified, then the runners up get the spot
See your point. But what if Wrexham made it to the fa cup?
Champions League football for Wrexham, because they would of respected the FA Cup and played their strongest team in every round
its a bag of shite it really is thats why its on the bbc and itv🤣🤣
winners get a champions league spot might spice it up a bit
Why not just let the clubs decide. If they agree to play it out on the day then so be it. If one disagrees then they do a replay. End of.
That;s the price successful clubs pay for being successful. How do smaller clubs and squads cope with this ?
You’ve gotta go with what the big 6 want when it comes to replays
Arrogance of the big club never ceases to amaze me.
The chance of a reply for lower league teams away to a PL team could mean so much financially for the lower league team.
PL managers all have booted squads and frankly their second sides should be able to beat lower league teams first time round, if they don’t then the lower league team has more than earned that replay.
Bolton deserved their replay, fair play to them, we are not the biggest premier club, but I am sure they will look forward to seeing a premier team anyway
FA Cup rarely holds interest for the neutrals these days. Unless there is a big glamour tie. The PL teams only take it seriously from the latter or if they face team with the same ability. Most of the time they play second string sides.
Simon Jordan is living in an idealistic traditional dreamland.
Maybe Thomas Frank should have beat a ten men wolves team at home then 👍
Simple get rid of replays and where a prem team plays a lower league team, give all gate/tv money to the club in a lower division regardless of where it’s played. It’s peanuts to prem clubs anyway
SJ with a liam gallagher haircut
Replays I don't care either way.
I don't want semi-finals at Wembley.....
Peak Partridge...
If Thomas Frank doesnt like the replay, he shouldve just conceded a goal in the final minute so they dont have to do the replay
The answer is simple. The lower ranked team has the choice, play the tie at the higher teams ground and make money from the day, or play at your ground in front of your fans and more chance of winning. Whats wrong with that?
Old Division 1 had 42 matches. Four more than the current PL. Cup competitions could have multiple replays. Back in the day, theyre was only one substitution, then two, then three and now five! Plus, the squads were not as vast. They need to stop their whining.
If U don't want a replay play full strength team not rest key players