ELEGOO'S GIGANTIC PRINTER!! (Bonus Info on High Speed COREXY, Giant Resin Printer, Multi-Color Unit)
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In this video I speak with the Vice President of Elegoo. He explains the company's past, present, and future, and most importantly, everything you want to know about the Orange Storm Giga. He also discusses plans for a future printers, including a multicolor corexy bambu lab P1P P1S X1C AMS competitor.
We also get an overview of the entire product line from Elegoo, ranging from their Resin series (Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, and a secret printer that is going to be even bigger), their FDM line (Neptune 3 Pro, Neptune 4 Pro, Orange Storm Giga), and their filaments and resins.
The orange storm is packed with features, including a 10 inch touchscreen, massive 800x800mm build volume, and only costs 0.0002 cents per cubic mm of print volume. There is nothing like it in the same price range. Modix, BIG REP, PIOCRATE, and MINGDA offers some similar sized machines, albeit at a higher price points.
In my opinion, Elegoo offers some of the best value for money printers on the market.
This video was filmed at FormNext 2023 in Frankfurt, Germany
#ELEGOOFormnext #Formnext #elegoo #orangestorm
0:00 Orange Storm Giga Basic Specs
1:44 Why 4 PEI Sheets?
2:30 Hotend, Motion System Design, and Touch Screen
4:14 Shipping Such a Large Printer
5:00 Elegoo Company History
6:29 Why Did the Neptune 4 not have Wi-Fi?
7:17 Why does Elegoo use Kickstarter?
8:14 What Future Models are Coming From Elegoo?
8:46 Giga-sized Resin Printer?
8:59 High Speed COREXY
9:25 Multi-Color Printing
10:03 Elegoo Neptune 4 Plus and Max
11:38 Neptune 3 vs Neptune 4
12:18 Resin Printers - Mars, Saturn, Jupiter
13:41 Filament and Resin from Elegoo
14:44 Outtro - Věda a technologie
At the end Kevin was looking at you like “please stop leaning on the printer”
It’ll be fine! Just imparting some unit loads to the frame to evaluate stiffness
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I love Elegoo... they deliver very high quality at a reasonable price, not to mention great customer service. Just bought my 3rd Elegoo printer and have no reason to look elsewhere. Elegoo proves the saying, "you get what you pay for" to be false... with Elegoo you usually get even more.
Price point for Orange Storm is really out of this world... Especially for early kickstarter backers. For the past few months I've been building a printer of similar size, and my tally (at this point in time! :D ) is around 3 000 USD. So, twice the amount of early backers! It's crazy how much the price scales for larger components, just the aluminum plate for the build plate was around 600$. For Elegoo to make something like this, at this price is amazing, I REALLY hope it ends up being a great printer, that would be awesome for the consumer market!
I got the #1 supporter for 1250$ , it’s a hell of a bargain for this machine !
Hmmm, $1250 for 256mm X1C or the same price for 800mm Orange Storm Giga?
Easy choice for me
@@MichaelRousseau3D Seriously congrats! I missed the chance there (didn't know about it until it was too late), but if I knew... Elegoo is making good machines, this one is on the extreme side, but I would definitely trust them with that much for this.
@@NathanBuildsRobots You saw it in person, did it look like it may have some faulty design choices? Did it seem sturdy and reliable? It seems awesome, but I can't help but fear it might end up like Prusa XL...of which I'm sure it will deliver all it promised, but the early release is severely lacking.
@@MichaelRousseau3D stop buying kickstarter printers, we need to let these large companies know this practice is completely unacceptable.
Good to see the Orange Storm in action. I participated in the Kickstarter and can't wait to give it a try.
Hope it works out. Neptune series came out of nowhere and had great price/performance ratio, so hopefully this will be more of the same
Elegoo is my favorite FDM brand by far. Their consistent quality to cost ratio is unmatched. My Neptune 4 and 3 pro are more reliable than my SV06 or ender 3. The 4 is awesome because I can run it to an old laptop with a cat5 cable. I have full klipper access and I can use the laptop to figure out how to tweak it to my liking. It makes learning Klipper a much easier process.
Nathan is best in class! Love his reviews! 😂
$1.72 has been deposited into your account. Thank you sir
How did you come to 1.72 ?
Looking forward to see what Elegoo is going to bring now that the campaign is overfunded.
We need reliability and ease of use.
Make the belt auto adjustable so we don't need to tweak everytime and have offsets in print layers.
Big screen is good but shouldn't be the focus, the X1C is mini but it does it all.
Enclosure + reliable / heavy duty parts + focus on support and updates
Also add the Chroma, that would be great ! especially having multiple nozzles !
I scrolled through all the comments, you are doing such a great job replying to everyone;-)
Thank you for this service😎🤩
Superb interview, lots of good info, great questions and straightforward answers.
I appreciate how much he shared about future plans. Multicolor Corexy coming soon 😁😁😁
And judging by their current lineup, hopefully they will quickly follow up with plus me max models!
Truly a thing of beauty. I would give up the dining room table to home one. I fell in love with Orangestorm within a few seconds on my first view of the advert.
another "review" hit out of the park...awesome and thanks for the video dude.
Excited to see what that core XY printer's going to look like!
1st quarter 2024 is actually not that far away, and coming out with multi-color printing at the same time? I have a feeling that it has been under development for a while
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah, it's really soon and the multi color is very exciting. Im likely still to get a P1S this Christmas but all the luck to Elegoo! Their Neptune line has served me well.
corexy in this size would mean a horribly long belt, like more than 5m long so it would have to be "stiff as a diamond" to work? i had an idea (long time ago) about maximal speed/size configuration, this orangestorm seems to be kind of between that and corexy (which in this case is good i think).
@@jarkkoaitti287 The representative in the video mentions how Elegoo will have a core XY offering in first quarter of next year. That's what I was referring to.
Good interview
Cant wait to see huge spaghetti from print failure that can feed whole village.
Thanks for the video, I needed such a large printer for my company, and at this pricing, we only find huuuge printers with smaller print volume
Having such a printer is really interesting
That Orange Storm Giga is inspiring! My first impulse was "oh, I could print an entire R2-D2 body as a single object with that!"
My second thought was "it's probably too big, really." Which is just funny, to me; I've been saying for a while that a 30x30cm printer is useless to me because it's not big enough to print the big things I want and the small things fit nicely on a 25x25cm build plate. So now Elegoo goes and makes an 84x84cm printer and I'm all "that's too big!"
Alas, even if they make a smaller one using the regular Neptune printer's build plates, that will end up too small because that works out to 45x45, and R2-D2 is 48.5cm in circumference. :/
Oh, well, I really really really can't afford a 1500$ USD printer right now anyway, much less the filament to run it. But it's nice to dream! Maybe in a new years, when this is the "old, discounted" model I can enact my visions of a droid factory. :D
Maybe the smaller orange storm will be 4x 30cm build plates for a total size of 600x600 for under $1000?
@@NathanBuildsRobots Maybe, but from Elegoo's perspective it makes sense to use their existing part, which is the "regular" Neptune's build plate of 22.5x22.5 cm.
Definitely considering ordering an Orange Storm, just not sure where to place it 😮
It would be interesting to hear more about the multi nozzle printing and what they do with bed leveling in this regard!?
Elegoo is pretty good. I have a Neptune 4 Max, and it actually has surprisingly good print quality -- better than my V3 SE and my SV07. I obviously bought the printer for big prints, but its ability to do fine details really surprised me since it doesn't really look like anything special in that regard, but the prints look great. It's a nice printer -- although, I think its fair to say, these are Elegoo's first run at Klipper printers and they've got a lot of growing pains with Klipper, there are some bugs and a lot of standard klipper features are just missing. You can implement them yourself just fine, but it's more work. Another minor poo is that they didn't go with an actual KlipperScreen, so most of the functionality you need to access on a web browser.
I think they wanted to maintain a dumbed down interface on the touchscreen so people coming from non-klipper printers won’t get confused. For Klipper enthusiasts, it might be a letdown, but for the mass market I think it makes sense.
The thing is- the Neptune line looks and costs the same as a lower quality product, but they must be paying more attention to details in the design that others are missing. Whether a it’s quality control or proper attention to machining tolerances, they just tend to work better than other equivalently priced and specced machines.
looks great, should come with pellet extruder .
I agree, problem is I talked to many pellet extruder manufacturers - the cheapest I could find was $2500 and used standard nozzles, but it was a really cool piece of equipment.
My Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro is plugging away next to me. It's been printing almost nonstop for over two months. I would have liked to have spent $20 more and had WiFi, rather than spending $20 on a WiFi dongle that's flopping around on the table.
The OrangeStorm Giga is more than I need but I can see a lot of uses for it - model shops, prop departments, architects, cosplay extremists, and a lot of weird applications such as printing plugs for carbon fiber car parts, printing forms that can be sprayed with shotcrete to make large flower pots or other architectural products, etc.
I'm waiting for the Neptune 4 Pro Max, the Neptune 4 Max but with steel rollers on steel rails for better print quality and more long term reliability and durability.
I don’t mind shilling for Elegoo. They have very nice build quality from everything I’ve seen, and aren’t desperate to chase after the latest trends. Instead it sounds like they listen to their customers and produce the products that people actually want, at the price point they can afford. Very admirable!
@@NathanBuildsRobots - The Neptune 4 Pro is my first Elegoo printer and I'm becoming a an Elegoo fan. I appreciate solid engineering and value. The Elegoo VP in the video responded to the question about the biggest challenge with the OrangeStorm Giga by saying it was ensuring long term reliability. I liked that answer.
with the non core-xy build it looks like you might be able to modify it into a IDEX by adding a 2nd motor to the other side of the X gantry then just modify the belts to have 2 belts on the X
Yes, and you can do it easily thanks to open source design! :))
can't imagine how long this thing will be printing the whole its volume
They have a concept of using 4 printheads, though I’d really like to use it as a platform to install a pellet extruder
@@NathanBuildsRobots Now there's a good idea, I was thinking of something like that myself, having a machine that large as a home machine would be nearly worthless unless you're insanely rich and can afford the insane amounts of filament you'd need to make anything that approaches the build volume.
They didn’t want to say the price on camera, but the 5kg spools will be quite inexpensive compared to what I’ve paid previously. Think half the going rate of 1kg spools
@@NathanBuildsRobots5kg rolls for 10$ ?
Can't wait for the core xy with multicolor. I have the 3 max and 3 pro and they have been awesome compared to my ender 3 pros. I was looking at a Bambu but will wait for the Elegoo core xy to come out before deciding.
I have quite a few problems with my Neptune 4 Pro. That's one of the main reasons why I will not back the Orange Storm Giga. I have already contacted Elegoo for support but haven't heard back from them yet. It's Sunday after all. Hopefully they can resolve my newest issue either by instructions and or replacement parts. My z-axis presses down on the print plate when homing meaning the z-axis probe doesn't work anymore after a month and a half of use. If they can easily resolve my issue I might even be swayed to back the Giga.
Four months now...I want one of these yesterday.
800wx400dx400h would be interesting and more manageable. I can see the temptation to go high but the size of the x-y plane is important for strength in functional prints and the bottom surface very important for generating an attractive finish against.
That's a good idea. That way they can reuse a lot of the parts for the 800mm span, and use the same heated beds. I swear the best ideas come in the comments section :P
hmmm no building robots here. thanx for the vid
Great interview. Sadly I haven't met you at Formnext.
Understandable given the size of the halls. Some people I ran into like 5 times though
I NEED THE ORANGE STORM! Probably I'll be sleeping with the dog for a month, but I need it... At least 2 of them... Maybe converted to coreXY...
At least you and the dog will be able to share a 3D printed dog house :)
Two Things Here >
1 > I think they better do a smaller version of Orange Storm Giga say a 600 mm square size of printing volume printer
so us not so rich users can afford the smaller one which maybe they can call Orange Storm Mini.
That be more popular price wise if they can do it at $599 with the same features as the Giga.
2 > I am a bit upset they did the Neptune 3 Max ( I brought ) then a couple of months later without saying it be out soon they did the better Neptune 4 Max,
Which had the two things I did not have on the 3 Max ( the all metal 300 c hot end & the Klipper firmware )
I brought the 3 Max not knowing that the better 4 Max be out soon after and now can't afford the money or the room to get the better 4 Max.
So I am not happy bunny! I lost out on those two features on the 3 Max printer, and they both cost the same too.
So not good Elegoo selling the 3 Max then not tell us the better version 4 Max be coming If I known I would have waited for the 4 Max and got that one!
Now I got a huge 3 Max printer which is useless unless I can somehow work out how to set up the BTT Pad 7 to run klipper on it, when I have no knowledge or skills to do it.
It’s not useless, just put a large diameter nozzle on it and print fat layers. That’s how I use my large format printers. Even at 6mm/s print speed you can max out your flow rates
@@NathanBuildsRobots I fitted it with a 1 mm hardened nozzle But I say useless because it can't do what the newer 4 Max can Print klipper fast with 300 c hot end,
So I got a slow non klipper printer when If I knew the new 4 Max with the 300 c hot end and klipper system for the same price as I paid I would have waited for that?
And as I said I had to pay even more money fora Pad 7 to do klipper on it but klipper is so damn hard for non experts.
I only brought my 3 Max thinking I could maybe later get it klipper sorted? since Elegoo then had no klipper printers then.
Should know by now that Elegoo and other printer companies are constantly spitting out new printers. It's a game of should I wait for the newest thing, then you never buy because there's always a newest thing you're waiting for.
You were obviously happy enough with the 3 to buy it, so enjoy it and don't worry about what you didn't know at the time. Or sell it and buy the 4 if it's a big concern.
What is the nozzle size, max flow rate, maximum possible extrusion volume? did I miss it? With such a huge volume, you can go only so far, without a redesigned extrusion system, that extrudes pellets to plastic, right inside extruder🤔. One suggestion is to build a eco system to recycle plastics, so that we can recycle all the discarded plastics, while making large objects, that otherwise use insane energy to produce(such as cement bricks)❤👍
I should have asked. It looked like a large meltzone nozzle, so I’d guess 35 mm^3/s maybe? In any case I’d want to replace it with something with a really high flow rate, and use 5mm thick layer lines
They say it's 50 mm^3/sec@@NathanBuildsRobots
Just btw. the standard doors nowadays in Europa are by far more wide then in US at least in Germany. This is cause that you easily be able to use it with a bigger wheelchair.
Good point, my hotel doors are very wide here in Frankfurt.
I wish the the neptune 4 pro and 4 plus and 4 max used linear rails, that would make them perfect
Are there concerns with large objects that span across the 4 build plates and warping on large objects ? My guess is this will be limited in materials unless people come up with serious mods.
Peeling a build plate up from anywhere but the edge is pretty difficult. But yeah, even on my 300x300 printers I can have instances of the edges of the steel sheets peeling up.
Warping isn’t that big of an issue for large models that don’t require precision, such as furniture. But something to check back in on
I’m one of the customer that needs a bigger printer! 4 heads printing at Same time! Much better than Prusa XL with 4 heads but only one can print at a time
Any idea if the nozzles are proprietary, and if so, any different from the proprietary neptune 4 nozzle?
I’m guessing just the same design as usual but with a longer meltzone. So probably longer nozzle too, but not sure yet
@3:19 the reason is that corexy design, the belts would be too long.
I hear ppl say this a lot but it doesn’t make sense to me. It’s like saying you can’t build a 80000 horsepower diesel motor because the timing chain would be too big
@@NathanBuildsRobots 80000hp marine diesels dont use timing chains ☺ there would be nothing to gain using corexy on such a large design and lots of downsides. on 256mm buildplate a corexy belt is ~1m long, on a 800mm it would be 3.2m long! so beefy belts, pulleys, etc. and increased artifacting from the belts, something that smaller corexy already struggle with. the primary limiting factor on most corexy is not the motion system, its the extruder.
@@NathanBuildsRobotsbelts become very flaccid at large lengths. To tension them you’d need a huge amount of movement in your tensioner, which isn’t particularly space efficient. Besides that you need a lot of tension to keep the belts from causing print artifacts. Stepper motor shafts and bearings really cannot handle more than 3-4 pounds of force before slowly deforming over time so you’d need custom long shafted Steppers that have additional bearings to prevent shearing, same goes for the rest of the idlers.
Is there a reason why they used only 6 V-wheels for the bed and why they overall built in the POM ones instead of the Anycubic Kobra 2 Max‘ linear steel rods…..
I fear that it wouldn’t last that long and the bed wheels would wear out quite quickly when printing fast and heavy objects….
Love your videos, really cool to see all these amazing products at Formnext, I was also there;-)
I think the issue is how to allocate cost. The less you spend on one system the more you can spend on another. From what I’ve seen, I believe the Neptune 4 max will print better than the kobra 2 Max
I want a Neptune 4 Max but I'm waiting for a steel motion control system like my Neptune 4 Pro, for better print quality and better long term durability.
Thanks for the advice!
tronxy has the VEHO-800 but it's nothing like this. wood box shipping is wild
i would love to get an elegoo idex if they make one
Idex printers are somewhat expensive to build, but if there is a big enough market for that I’m sure they could produce one
Hey ,
You were the first with a review of K1on youtube, will you be the first with K1C?
Possibly, I will keep an eye out.
@@NathanBuildsRobots ok
what will be the bed leveling system on the orangestorm ?
I would assume it’s an inductive probe like the rest of the Neptune lineup. You might be able to see it in some of the shots in this video
Orange Storm 2024
Orange Storm for President!
WOW the price point ---- i was building custom big 3D printers.... but with that it will be impossible to compete with the price because in EU after taxes etc every single part is super expensive :/
probably still i will have some clients for custom heated chamber (PEEK / PEKK / ULTEM etc) machines but with this pricepoint soon noone can compete with them
I love the orange storm giga design, it's elegoo core xy 3d printer, I thinks elegoo should make smaller size.
Will this fit in my Ikea Lack enclosure?
hmmmm..... I think your lack enclosure would fit inside of this.
I WANT IT
i can finally print my pants on myself every morning.
Just remember to put on your PEI long-johns first so you can take them off at night
It's cool,
They already have a corexy down the line? They move really fast
Seems like they focus on developing 1 printer at a time, and getting it done ASAP. Creality on the other hand seems to develop 5 or more printers in parallel.
You asked every question....except why they named it orange storm giga, instead of Uranus.
Lol, technically Uranus is larger than Neptune so it would be a good name. Giga makes sense because it’s bigger than mega
I saw this on an email from Elegoo and it had 4 print heads on it, have they dropped the 4 print head version?
The extra heads are sold as add ons. If you buy off the kickstarter you can choose add them to your order. I think they're 50 usd each at the kickstarter price
@@stevendaddario8803 Ah! I see, I cant wait to see this in operation, I have some permanent print commissions and a four head machine could save a lot of time and money.
Lol $50 for an entire Printhead… Elegoo is going crazy in cutting pricing
And Also I got the Elegoo Resin Saturn 8K printer with their Mercury XS wash & Cure Bundle.
But I given up using it now as the cost of the resin for what amount you get is way too pricey now and I had to buy tons of Paper Towels & IPA and safety gear and it got far too pricey!
Plus I now got 11 liters of old used resin water wash which I can't get rid off as it is too toxic to go down any drain or ground and the Big UV lighting I would have to buy to set this wash waste is way too costly to buy.
I have no local recycling to send to and in the UK we don't have the tons of year round hot sun to set the waste.
So I given up on resin and the Elegoo resin printer I have is not worth selling now the newer ones are on sale.
So what a waste of my limited money!
I agree, I did 1 video on resin printing and gave it up for good. If you can only have 1 printer I’d go for an FDM machine
That's a big boy printer there. I would think wifi wouldn't be that expensive a feature in this day and age?
You mean for the Neptune 4? You’d be surprised how big a difference a $2 Wi-Fi module has on the bottom line
@@NathanBuildsRobots Not to argue but a $2 feature that offers so much to the consumer doesn't sound like it would bankrupt them. Especially when consumers expect that feature and want it nowadays. I suppose if you are building thousands of units it does add up but still its a wanted feature by the consumer so would make their product stand out more. Anyway thanks for sharing the video. Keep up the good work!
The real question I have is why is their company name Elegoo? Is it short for Elephant Goober?
I thought it was for "Elegant Goo" as a reference to the beautiful and detailed prints you can make with resin. But the name predates them making resin printers so... I dont know! Good question. Maybe something in Chinese?
Need a fork lift at home to move that wooden box they're gonna send it in lol
Thank god someone respectable is making 5kg spools now. Maybe it wont be overpriced to living hell.
Imagine the 3D2A community getting their hands on this. 3d printed glock? Nah, try 3d printed 105mm howitzer.
Hey Nathan, can you make a video throwing this printer off your balcony?😂😂😂
I would never! Plus I don’t think it would fit through the door of the balcony
@@NathanBuildsRobots Don't tell me you live in Europe, they have small doors.🤣🤘🍺
Wish it was called the Uranus!
@nbr I will have to consider the height of the pedestal I keep you on if you walked away without buying an Orangestorm.
You have room.
You can afford one
You want one.
I can't afford one ATM but desperately need the 3D printer porn of a review you'll give to get me by until next summer.
How is this corexy ?
It’s not, they mentioned a high speed Corexy printer in the video though
Yeah, the video title was a little off. But understandable that it is not core xy at this size.
@@eslmatt811 😣
How am I going to explain this to my wife though....Now she has to park outside and clean snow off the car in the winter. HELP !!!!
Do you have a walk-in closet? It might fit in there, then you’d only need to convince her to part with some old clothes
2k for that is a very good price.
Not a bedslinger, but why ?!?
🤷♂️ $2,000 ain't bad considering the build volume
Kinda upset that they didn’t name it something in the solar system. Should have been called the sun or something like that. 😢
Poor TronXY. Such a joke that no one even thinks to mention them 😭
I don’t think they were present at Formnext.
Awkward ending.
Haha, more people need to read this to watch to the end 😄
Thanks Jose, you the real MVP
Kevin has no clue 😂 a giant printer which prints pla and petg is not a great printer
Disagree with you on that point, but if you’re after something to print CF nylon you can buy an enclosed printer from MODIX for $10,000.
Or get this and make a diy enclosure for around $1000.
Not saying the capabilities are groundbreaking but the price point is
@@NathanBuildsRobots I agree I would drop a bondtech and add two active heaters after enclosing it.
2k for a printer that all they fucking did was scale that shit up? Don't misunderstand me. There is nothing different in tech that warrants 2k. Love the size but the price is bullshit. I'll build one before I buy it.
Ok, please do, and let us know how much you spend on parts. I’ve considered making something like this but every time the budget gets out of control, so I’ll gladly pay someone else to do it, especially at this price.
@@NathanBuildsRobotsshipping could be pricy on this machine.
@NathanBuildsRobots for sure. I just see no benefit to the price given it's a scaled up ender 5 s1 the build plate doesn't even appear to be 1 piece. So you will always have a weird seam on massive parts. So for roughly 60 percent more material. A minor update to software. And a regurgitation of standard tech you pay 10 times the price. A used ender 5s1 can be picked up for 150 to 200 bucks. Take a new printers price in account let's say 350 to 500 for it. Still 4 times the price. The current generation of software is very capable of handling the measurements of the printer add some issues with scaling. Extrusion isn't cobalt or gold. It's fairly cheap. You buy belt in bulk so no real issue there. Uses what appears to be fairly standard stepper motors. Bambu x1c are 1500 to 2k. Several new tech advances and function enhancements. Scale is less for sure but there is a reason for the price increase. I'd pay 750 max for this massive format printer. Great idea from elegoo definitely however this will drive little interest in the scaled up model due to the price point. And when the main request from customers is scale. People will likely stick with 500 dollar large format printers and the hassle of working in those constraints than shelling out the cash.
@@dragondraco412 $750 would be a downright joke for the hardware alone.
Good luck. Someone in the previous comments said they are building a similar machine and have spent $3000 in parts so far alone, plus the hassle of building it. They probably have to spend $400+ on shipping alone on these things. $2000 is a hell of a deal.