MINGDA's giant 1000x1000x1000 mm 3D Printer at Formnext 2023
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
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Most of you will know MINGDA's Magician Series of 3D printers, but did you know that they are also making large volume industrial printers? They not only showed their MD-1000D, MD-600D and MD-400D at Formnext 2023 but also presented their overhauled consumer printers, the Magician S2 and S3. Let's find out more!
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Chapters:
00:00 Formnext 2023
00:43 MINGDA
01:23 MD-1000D
03:38 MD-600D
04:27 MD-400D
05:32 Magician S1 & S2
#3Dprinting #MINGDA #Formnext
DISCLAIMER: Part of this video was sponsored by MINGDA.
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"All the way since 202012."
😂😂😂
If the price needs to be requested😩🤦♂️🤷♂️
Yes they’re very futuristic 😂
Wow it's 199.989 Years from the future🤯. How did they do that🤯?
I had to back up 10 seconds to see if I imagined it.
Damn. They're ahead of time if theyre already producing printers from 202012. 0:26
Hahaha, I was thinking the same. I wonder if earth would even still exist in 202012.
Lol I thought the same, to be fair though English isn't this guys first language, so I appreciate the effort he puts into translating awesome things for us. :D
They're from the future, but not as far as you make it look. The order is 2028, 2029, 202010, 202011, 202012. So in a few years we'll be at their level, not that impressive. Just like that 10 10 10 guy from japan ( if you don't know the 10 10 10 guy, look it up)
The MINGDA-guy is completely incomprehensible, oh my
Finally a printer big enough to print a 1:1 scale Minecraft block
😁
100% infill
@@CRIZZZLPT I was bored and did the math and that's 1250 spools worth of PLA
I hope for open-source projects like klipper and mainsail (not to forget moonraker) that the manufacturers of all these professional printers have planned a reasonable budget for sponsoring them. Beyond that I hope that the licenses are respected and that the source code is made available if necessary. 🤞
Agree 100%, All they need to do is donate some funds to these projects on each machine sold, just budget it into the price, and make sure they make the software and source codes available.
@@NexGen-3Dhonestly, I'd like them to but hate the idea of it being an expectation; no doubt that will be a burden on the uptake and success of open source projects going forward. I think if an expectation like that is to be upheld, it should instead be made by changing the license to one that requires big companies to pay royalties, as opposed to an open ended expectation that strikes me as similar in some capacities to tipping culture in the service industries in America.
Yes it should be a non commercial open licence, it you want to commercialise the software, you should need to have an agreement with the developer.@@ballbous
@@ballbous It barely happens with marlin. I don't think they will do and with an license change they will revert to making their own barely working stuff.
Seeing as how most of their previous printers are old proprietary versions of marlin, I highly doubt this machine will be worth anything
Hope Mingda paid you well for this.
Nice Mingda commercial
I hope you will be covering some more industrial stuff. I've been there on Monday and there are way more high-end industrial machines than cheap hobby 3d printers.
So this was a sponsored video right? :) Really sounds like an ad
For a long-term its important that the SoC on this machines has:
A full documentations
The full GPL code published
And an open and documented Bootloader unlike Elegoo / MKS with the ZNP klipper bords
Please add subtitles for the salesman. Pretty hard to understand what hes saying
Some would say the same regarding Shteefaahn, LOL
Oh cool, we will have to stop by their booth!
If you do, please add transcripts. Understanding the salesman is extremely difficult
showing footage of a warping print, that must be fantastic promotion haha 1:50
The problem with 1000mm^3 build volume fdm -- it's still hella slowwww. Manufacturers can't wait 15 days for a massive print to finish, there are quicker ways to prototype, and much faster 3d printing methods.
1:51 Lol, the print is warping off the bed!
(I know it's because they keep opening the doors to let people shoot b-roll)
I figured in 202012 3d printers would just be a replicator from star trek.
0:25
Huh, times flies so fast, I didn't know we were at 202012 already. 2022 seems like it was just yesterday
The maximum flow rate I saw on the MD-1000D's front panel during this video was about 13 mm3/s. I hope the hot end is capable of much more than that. It would take weeks to print a part the size of this machine's build volume with such a low flow rate.
Saw you yesterday and today but you looked busy so did not want to disturb have a great Formnext!
Any hints as to what their industrial machines actually cost and where they can be purchased? I find "request pricing" buttons to be a real frustration. It makes specing and comparing machines a much more time-consuming process, often with hidden costs.
That is super common for industrial only devices. I once made a testing device that required multiple load cells. I had to put the parts into my wish list in order to see pricing
Great Video. Will you make more videos of the formnext?
Any estimates on how much for example the MD-600D costs?
Lol 5:15 mcu error? 😅😅😅
Saw their printers on Formnext! Looked really good!!!
Too bad I didnt see/met you
Gonna be there tomorrow!!
Im going to visti the Formnext tomorrow.. iiimmm soooo hyped
I've been checking for months now, and I still do not see the Mingda Magician S series printers. Nor do I see release information. Are they ever going to be released??
You know, I was shocked to see mingda get any coverage since they continuously put out mediocre half effort machine after mediocre half effort machine, but it all made sense when he said it was sponsored. I don't blame him at all, but I'm just explaining my thought process for the surprise at seeing a company that repeatedly can't perform being featured.
Maybe they've finally cleaned up their act and wont have things like ducts being lower than print nozzles, and have printers that come out with firmware that is fully baked. I guess we'll see, but I don't have high hopes.
Seeing that most of their previous printers are still on old proprietary versions of marlin without sources for most of them paints a clear picture
202012? Behold! The future of 3D printing! :)
This channel has become an advertising forum for those who are willing to pay.
That Mingda 1000 would let you print 2 full size R2-D2 domes at the same time. That's impressive!
cant make it there but would love to see that machine :D
I'm wondering how leveling with two toolheads on one x-gantry works. Are there solutions for a median height between two measured points, or even an extrusion multiplier for the nozzle that has the bigger distance to the sheet?
I bet you just have to adjust that to be bang on before you start
Many industrial printers are set up like this. The nozzle height is adjustable and you have to use an indicator to adjust both heads to the exact same height.
Wouldn’t it just run two bed leveling actions? Or one with the first nozzle and then a height check on the second, afterwards mapping the result across the first bed leveling?
@@realgoose They have to be the exact same height or 1 nozzle will drag over the part.
@@bluerider0988 in the video I thought there was a mechanism that lifts one nozzle slightly higher durning printing. Wouldn’t that make them more independent for leveling purposes?
Stefan at which booth printer is presented? Found it under letter S.😊
Very printer. Much industrial!
Just a quick question:
Does a solution exist, that enables me to view/control my 3d printer while being away from home & outside of my network?
Grüße aus dem Ruhrpott ✌️
Octoprint or Klipper and VPN
Or you buy an extension for octoprint :)
when i saw them at the formnext the MD400D was super interesting. Sadly it wasnt running as it had issues :s
Need advice. I have ender 5 as my first 3D printer. Bought it used, had to tune it to make it work - does the job...
I want to by a second printer, the choice is overwhelming, my only criteria is direct extrusion, so I can print TPU. Other than that... I have no idea...
I use 3D printing for hobby, so affordable is a priority.
What are your thoughts 🙂 ?
You can't go wrong with a Prusa Mk3S or Mk4
Sure you, can, that would be a horrible choice today. Bambu A1 is the deal
The fact that they use klipper makes me confident
why do i have a feeling that the big one uses a bl touch as the mesh probe
Imagine you walk into someone's kitchen and what you think is their fridge is actually a 3D printer.
Seems quite slow for such a big printer, but I suppose it's hard to make everything rigid at that size
I expect that at this size you should expect it not to be rigid and thus apply real-time compensation for bending of materials.
I know in 3D CNC metrology, there are systems using lasers to measure bends to apply compensation when measuring at sub-micron resolution on larger 3D measuring machines. Especially when using scanning probes you need to at least record the bends/errors in real-time.
So maybe they do have quite extensive calibration data of how that specific machine behaves with the extrusion head at every position and given some acceleration.
Doesn't need to move the head very fast to extrude huge amounts if the nozzle is big.
My MK3S with .6mm high flow nozzle and 0.3mm layer height can do just over 1kg per 24h.
I'm sure this beast can extrude much faster
Wait till you hear about house size cnc mills with micrometer tolerance.
They look slow because they are so big. My v0 looks infinitely faster than my trident, even though only the acceleration is higher while the speed is lower
I was there as well :)
Es war echt cool dich Mal persönlich zu treffen und Ich hoffe du hattest eine gute Heimfahrt.
I do see the need of having video sponsors every now and then, but I have to say that this is a bad video. It's just an advertisement with the most obnoxious kind of stereotypical ad wording. It's the kind of tone-deaf overhype, hit-all-the-talking-points style that Chinese companies unfortunately often gravitate too (which is why I found the self-aware Bambu Lab interview surprisingly refreshing). Love CNC Kitchen, but this aint it...
How much money the spend to support klipper development?
I totaly understood that
For these big printers, wouldn't it make since to run 3mm filament with a 1mm nozzle, instead of a 1.75mm filament and .4mm nozzle?
If you are going to print large items usually you don't need fine detail or want to wait 3 days or a week for a print, when it can be done in a day.
Quality can still matter, and if its a protyping step even if it takes a week to print it will be way quicker than creating an injection or vacuum form mold etc and uses much less man hours than hand forming and assembling (though that could be quicker espeically if the precision doesn't need to be really high). There are absolutely folks that need huge and strong prints quickly, and for those might even be worth going to larger than 1mm nozzle and direct pellet extrusion, and every step inbetween.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 I've experimented with bigger nozzles and you can still get the "quality", by using a small layer height setting. But because the nozzle is so big it lays down a "wider" filament line, so it takes less time to print especially with infill. And the wider filament lines "usually" create bigger bonding layers so it makes a stronger print.
@@foldionepapyrus3441I just don’t get why not even a 0.6mm nozzle isn’t considered.
@@kyle8575 I expect it is is sometimes, but because the time saving of a larger nozzle isn't huge for most prints these sort of printers will do (I expect) - When its a prototype type gig you are probably just printing a few perimeter and as little infill as you can get away with most of the time to prove the fit and placement of all the details. Just two walls and low infill will take much the same time on the same machine as the head can only move so fast but the finer nozzle gives a better surface finish.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 you are vastly underestimating the time savings of a 0.6mm nozzle to a 0.4mm nozzle . I recommend you watch some videos on the difference between the two especially with Arachne
I watched in awe the recent Elegoo kickstarter campaign for their 800x800x1000mm printer. Sadly, I don’t have space at home for it.
Have you considered housing it in a shed and having it build you a new, larger home in chunks?
@@AndrewHelgeCox I think it is more likely that I endup in the doghouse.
@@monkeywrench1951 You don't have to be a professor of logic to see the advantages of being able to print your doghouse in one shot!
SO glad you're covering this event!
Keep up the amazing work!
I love the Magician printers I've tested and can't wait to see one with Klipper! They are solid machines.
🔥 🔥 🔥
Too bad most of their models are un-updateable
Just picked up Elegoo OrangeStorm on kickstarter with 800 x 800 x 1000 build volume but it's 10 times cheaper.
I'm thinking of jumping onboard. What's your usecase?
I have a very noble cause. I want to print a life sized statue of a predator and a couple of custom chairs. @@AndrewHelgeCox
I live near Frankfurt and wanted to visit the form next. The price for a normal person is €142 per day to visit it. Wtf.
Google Formnext Free Tickets. A lot of Companys give them out for free😅
May I request 10h version of "one meter by one meter by one meter by one meter by one meter..." rap?
PS: And 6h version of "six hundred by six hundred by six hundred by six hundred..." and 4h of... you know... would be nice too =)
It's always nice to see a new Mingda video. There don't seem to be many. I've had an original 2022 Mingda Magician X for over a year and have used it every day with no problems. I've never adjusted or maintained it at all except to change nozzles. I auto-level it when I change print surfaces and so on. I was surprised that it required almost no effort from me to set up and run, which is what I always wanted from a 3D printer. I hated every minute of wrestling with my old Ender 3.
I have bought magician x in the beginning of 22 it is great printer , first i ve added a second fan to the right side , soon after I started to print with petg , I bought and installed vertical volcano heatblock screwed in adapter and using a regular or cht clones v6 nozzles
With this setup it prints petg easy and fast like pla on stock hotend or ecen faster
Wonder what this printer costs
That Mingda introduction could've really benefitted from subtitles.
ngl, i think people have been sleeping on the Mingda printers. I was looking for a large format bed slinger because of price, ended up going with the Magician Pro over the creality machine. It was bigger and had some cool features that IMO set it way ahead. Tossing Klipper on the machine would solve all of the complaints I have to be honest. Its just a bummer that they want to stick with the open frame bed slingers for consumer products, especially on the large format Pro machine. If they did one that was coreXY and had clipper with the same 400mm cube work area for 6-700 bucks, they'd have a machine that would dominate. I would buy that in a heartbeat.
Nice ad
😳it's so very attractive
Damn, I missed you Stefan!
How did you like it?
is this a sponsored video?
Just a 6min ad for Mingda. Don’t waste your time.
4 giant ballscrews is also something I only dream about at night
I was looking for this comment ^^
I was going to say this looks surprisingly decent, and it still looks ok I suppose but.... did I spot that """industrial""" level printer using vrollers for the X-Axis in modern year????
OK. A whole video of your sponsors to a show. Done. Are you going to post something about your trip showing other stuff?
warping as big as the pritner 1:55
finally a video about these :)
and have you seen the Elegoo OrangeStorm Giga? that one is not enclosed, 800x800x1000 and 1500$ in a kickstarter
Seems to be limited to the base-level filaments: pla, petg, tpu. I'm thinking to get one but hard to predict my needs for next summer when they deliver. What's your usecase for having one?
@@AndrewHelgeCox could be useful for printing one pice wings or molds for wings for model airplanes
Ooh, using one of those bubbling lightweight filaments!
@@AndrewHelgeCox yes! :D they are awesome, can't see the layer lines
needs special care because of the oozing though
💕👍
How much is a 400D?
$3400
Dnk how's your english so clear being you german, you only have a little sharp pronounce but's the deutsch accent while your spoken english is perfect. How did you manage to found the only chinese I've ever heard speaking english with a mix of nigerian and indian accent? He's rare! :D sorry I couldn't un-notice it :D
I know, right? That's the thing with "sponsored videos": no matter how shitty the product or how dubious the seller, you must sugar coat it and feed it to the masses. They're too stupid to notice
Oh dang, I wasn't about the product shown but the guy there which speaks very weird acting like he was motherlanguage.@@BMW520ITURBO
202012, nice
ask Mingda if they can loan you one of those big machines for a few months?
You should have sat inside of it. That would have been a thumbnail.
now i need to know if it was since 2022 or 2012 or even the future in 202012 idk
if only the MD1000 wasnt 10k+
they are all cartesians?
Is it any good at printing 3d miniatures? ;-)
since 202012? 0:25
No mention of the prices? On their website it’s also upon request. That usually means it’s very high. Anyways thanks for the review Stephan.
Pewpewpops said it’s $17k for the 1 meter cube. Lol ok Ty
I was quoted $3400 for the 400x400. It looks great on paper but I couldn't justify spending that much on something I've next to no reviews or community advice
Stefan, you're gonna need a bigger shop.
Do those who buy such even view these videos?
I saw them on Wednesday and they has the 2 Magican printers at the pathway, but seeing them now like that, looks way better. I enjoyed seeing you there at Formnext twice
twenty-twenty-twelve? Wow thhat company is back from the future
Bro Does anyone who owns MD1000 has any reviews and mods on this printer ... i am really strugling with callibrationg it
Please contact
Why did he sound like yilong-ma 😂
You should also visit the TRUMPF booth (y)
They are showcasing 1 cubic meter high-speed printing and pairing with 1 kg spool of filament... Like seriously...
I'll honestly say I never heard of this brand of printers so I am glad you covered them!
No pricing on their site.
5:55 yyyiiiikes ;)
👍
Lol. Even at low heights it warps
1:56 hmmm that first layer does not look OK to me
All the way since twenty twenty twelve
Print a scale model of your toddler
No warping, then he white part warps hahaha
202012?
Nice advertisement. Was there anything interesting other than your sponsor?
I buy my printers from a UK vendor and on their website they have a Creality Industrial printer Piced at over £20,000 this has been there for years yet I have never heard of anyone buying one and have never seen a review of it, I guess its because no one in the Industrial realm trusts Creality, hell if Creality released a printer like this Mingda you could bet they would send it with a 0.4mm nozzle! LOL