Ashley's Analysis | BMW Drivers
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- čas přidán 3. 09. 2019
- In this Analysis episode we see a BMW driver acting just like a BMW driver, with a big dose of "Overtake the Learner Syndrome" thrown in. There should also be a good lesson learned about increasing the space, between you and the car in front when accelerating
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Something else we can learn from this incident: If you miss a turn, then just keep going and find another way. It's better to lose a few minutes than to cause an accident.
Yeah, it's better to go on a d-tour rather than spend months and monthsin hospital.
It took me a while to get used to a multi lane 1 way system near where I lived after my test so I ended up having to do a few 10 minute detours around the loop again until I got used to the new lane setup rather than cutting people off trying to save a bit of time because of my mistake.
I dont think the Bmw missed its turn I think it decided to stay in the outside lane expecting the learners to be slow at take off and then move over in front to turn into the car wash, the car wash would benefit motorists with a big entry sign at the entrance.
@@marklittler784 Yes but it would still have been safer to just continue straight until he found somewhere to turn around safely.
@@marklittler784 No I don't believe he did mis his turn. It was arrogance on the part of thr BMW put safety at great risk.
I'm just surprised to see a BMW indicate
Yeah, he needs to get that looked at.
Most BMW drivers suffer from 'Broken finger syndrome'
The BMW was fitted with the optional extra indicators
What most people don't realise is that, when buying a new BMW, getting the indicator lights connected to the indicator stalk is actually a £5k optional extra.
@@pineapplepenumbra you also see the indicator stork cover in cob webs letting you know it hasn't been used for a while 😂.
You call that a BMW driver? 😂 A real BMW driver would have pulled out immediately with zero indication.
They need to take a BMW advanced driving course.
@@dgphi hahaha
Must have been a novice BMW. They'll get there.
No, you are getting confused with Audi drivers! lol
so an ordinary idiot in a bmw then?
My employer hired me a car to drive to a meeting last week. It turned out to be a BMW 1 series M Sport in a really loud blue colour. (with the rarely specified optional indicators) I took great pleasure in driving carefully and showing the utmost respect to other road users all the way from Essex to Manchester. If you saw me on the M1 keeping to the left unless overtaking, not sitting on your rear bumper and using my indicators then apologies for confusing you:)
My analysis. It is a very low spec BMW bought on a PCP that the owner cannot afford, Driver probably in the middle of a phone call that has already lasted 40 minutes with somebody relating to the breakdown of their marriage suddenly remembers that the fuel gauge has been flashing for the last thirty miles...
That's a can of low spec negative equity right there
Excellent analysis. What are your thoughts as to why he put his indicator on? 😎
@@Regnbuesolv it’s not really a BMW, it’s just an illusion
Low spec BMW doesn't mean they cannot afford it, nor does it take away from the fact that it's a BMW.
The problem with "growing your space" in the southeast is that it tends to get filled by a BMW or Audi diving across from another lane :-(
Tell me about it. I have adaptive cruise control and the minimum following distance is plenty large enough for a cheap A4 or 3 Series to cut in front of me.
We need laser lights like Boris bikes highlighting safe breaking space in front of cars :)
@Redblade Think you missed the point, they are to show my safe space, not as a guide for me, but other road users to stop them invading the space.
@Redblade I am well aware of all the rules, being an advanced driver, the guide lights would be to advise other road users, you seem intent on assuming I cannot drive...
I sometimes think the only way to keep a safe distance between you and the car in front, especially on motorways, is to reverse. If you try to leave the , recommended, three second gap, there are two BMWs and an Audi in there before you draw a second breath.
I think you summed it up perfectly, "Utterly selfish" with a touch of arrogance thrown in.
I’m no perfect driver by any means, but almost daily i’m seeing BMW drivers under taking/ speeding/ not indicating and then aggressively manoeuvring or sitting on my tail...
A study by GoCompare Car Insurance has found that BMW drivers are the most likely to be convicted of an offence and cause a collision on the road. press.gocompare.com/news/bmw-drivers-named-most-dangerous-on-uk-roads
I am a cyclist as well as a driver - and I also see BMWs do this a lot. They give close passes, which is terrible for a cyclist, then I see the same cars get right behind the car in front. This is just anti-social driving. I did have one let me out last month though, it stuck in my mind, rare to see it :)
@@andrewnorris5415 BMW 420D drivers, not BMW drivers, the tables are showing models not makes.
As for most dangerous when you read the article and look at the data in the top 10 of each there is 1 BMW, not far behind are 5 Mercedes models in the convictions table, in the collisions there is again 1 BMW but 4 Mercedes.
From this it would be a much better assumption that Mercedes are overall more dangerous, but without the full dataset neither can be confirmed.
@@SakuraLionheart I can actually agree with 4 series drivers. Once at this junction there was a little queue on the left lane to go straight and the right lane says to turn right. I saw a 4 series go down the right lane and went through just when the lights went green and cut into the left lane. Another instance I had another 4 series driver coming up close behind me on a residential road 😑. There's some stupid drivers out there and I wish the government or authorities can punish this sort of driving. Its easy for them to send a letter to your house if you go down a bus lane
I was sitting in a traffic queue with a learner once and he pointed out that I appeared to be slightly biased against BMW drivers. At that moment, a car behind us pulled left, into the slip road that had cars merging from the left, undertook a fair few cars and pushed their way back in again.
"Did you see what that car just did?" my student asked, somewhat surprised.
"Yes, and did you see what type of car it was?" I replied.
(No prizes for guessing the make, I'm afraid).
I hope that I wrong but, to me, selfish driving does appear to be becoming "normalized". As if, once you pass you test, then the rule-book goes out of the window.
I remember seeing a bmw m3 about a year or so ago driving down the m27. He was doing 65mph and used his indicators. And moved to lane 1 when able.... The thing is that BMW driven normally is so rare it sticks in my mind. I remember telling people at work " guess what I saw this morning"
When I went freelance I didn't have much money but liked nice cars. So I bought elderly Jaguars for cash and drove them accordingly (with courtesy). My wife got tired of the old cars breaking down and persuaded me to switch to a more modern BMW. When I treated people with courtesy, indicated in good time, waited for other drivers and even let them out at junctions, it was actually funny to see the other drivers react with shock. This was NOT behaviour they expected from a BMW driver!
I'm a hgv driver and I get this all the time with people having to get in front of the lorry no matter what and then turning off. But that was just as u say, selfish by the bmw driver. I don't think it was a mistake at all. He/she knew what they were doing. Idiot.
I agree entirely they pass you then stop to turn left, pure ignorance
The roads are full of idiots with so much self importance. This whole mentality of "must.get.infront.of.lorry." is part of the reason i now hate my job driving artics
Doesn't need to be anything big - some people just *have* to be first in line. Ive had that sort of thing in my old Subaru, my current i20, my parents' Tuscon, and my old boss's Rav4... Pisses me off when driving along with cruise set to 100km/h, and some idiot spends 15 minutes catching up, passes, then slows down to about 95.... Or worse - puts on the indicator to turn into a farm driveway or down some minor road without a slip lane 30 seconds after they go past.
I completely disagree, unless he's an actual sociopath.
I'm the guy who overtakes lorries but I make sure I have space to do so, I would never want to be in this situation because for one it slows me down (i.e the BMW had awkwardly stop and wait to pull across)
Not only that but he had like 5 people beeping their horns which is so stressful as a driver, I don't think this was planned, I think the BMW driver is just a bad driver and had no prior planning or spacial awareness.
It’s funny because when so many drivers see a learner they pretty much forget about driving safely because they’re so obsessive with overtaking them
Not me! I remember being a learner so I keep my distance. All I think when I see a learner is "good on ya!".
Hikaru WDM yeah same (although I’ve only been driving 8 months) wish there were more good drivers like you around, things would be a lot safer!
@@phantomtoast5747 First off congratulations on passing your test recently! And thank you. I don't deny the fact I'm far from perfect and will make mistakes (only human after all) but I do try and not make said mistakes. Learning doesn't stop just because you have your licence and it's never too late to get a good habit.
It's habit that I keep my distance from learners and especially if they're on a bike! (Or a lorry but I've only met 1 of them in my 7 years of driving). I know that not a lot of people like this but I think dash cameras should be compulsory or highly recommend to all drivers and riders! Not sure about the black box due to their trappings such as getting an increase in your premium due to outside forces beyond your control.
@Dabasaurus Kex no to what?
@@hikaru9624 I had a black box, got bored after 2 months and started driving pretty badly and nothing happened, the policy was you get a cheaper initial price for having a black box and if you drive very carefully then you get a better rating and you could get extra discount
But it was already cheap so I didn't really bother driving slowly everywhere
Funny title - it's hard to not stereotype sometimes when we see clips like this. My experiences of bmw/audi/merc drivers is while they can be a bit more aggressive in the streets, I often find that on motorways they're the easiest to get along with. For instance, they're some of the most likely drivers to pre-emptively pull into lane 3 from lane 2 when you are in lane 1 approaching a slower moving vehicle, meaning you can move out and you aren't stuck behind. I also don't think I've ever been undertaken by any of the above (usually because I've passed a lorry and am about to move back) but I can say I've been undertaken by Seat Leons and similar kinds of cars in some pretty eye opening dangerous moves.
Perhaps the way certain people drive certain types of cars is to do with the kind of person you have to be in life to have the money to own one. In essence you have to be a bit of a go getter to have the disposable income to afford a decent BMW, Audi or similar, the kind of person who may be in upper management or even a company owner. It therefore follows that this "go getter" attitude, top dog, "alpha" if you will, perhaps carries on into the driving seat. It's for this reason that I often heighten my sense just a little when a "GTI" pulls up behind me, because chances are it's going to be driven by a testosterone fuelled lout who consistently tops the "how many old ladies I ripped off today" salesman chart, who just wants to be in front of me. OK I admit that last one was a bit of a funny joke I threw in but you get the picture.
With regards to general driving I have noticed that the attitude you portray with your own driving affects people around you quite considerably. Although it helps I only drive for pleasure as I am fortunate enough not to need to commute to a place of work, my attitude towards driving is generally on the more relaxed side. I leave a fairly large gap between me and the car in front, I'm patient and the only time I ever use the horn is if there is imminent danger or someone is perhaps reversing and can't see me. Often times I'll see in my rear view mirror someone comes speeding up behind me only to soon realise I'm just happy to be where I am and they soon drop back. It's honestly a rarity I even get tailgated anymore, and I find being in a line of cars leaving a generous gap to the one in front often encourages people behind to also lengthen theirs too. There must be something in the psychology of the way you drive affecting other people, and driving instructors must notice this too?
Stuart fillingham does a good analysis of Beta males. An alpha male driver ( m or f) doesn’t have to prove anything anything and is thefore less aggressive than the beta driver who has EVERYTHING to prove and less ability.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's razor
This is my new favourite quote.
Spot on and interesting analysis as always. I have to say tho as someone who spends 40+ hours driving every week for work and have done for years I absolutely have to agree that there is a certain mentality that BMW, Audi and Mercedes drivers have, it's truly disgusting how high and mighty MOST OF THEM act. Agreed it's not all of them but it does appear to be an overwhelming majority.
Yoy 4 got to add Range Rover drivers :(
These are only the aspirational wannabees who have through amassing debt have found themselves behind the wheels of vehicles they cannot properly afford , and the resulting stress goes on to cause mental breakdowns behind the wheel .
We Mercedes-benz drivers who have actually paid for our cars and enjoy the serene , relaxing environment that a PROPER Mercedes-Benz car ( not one with a Renault or Mitsubishi engine , nor adorned with plastic bits or an aircraft like cockpit ) DO NOT behave as the lesser drivers do .
Quite honestly you can add VW to that too...Basically everyone that thinks buying a German car makes them a better driver because better apparently = faster.
I love the fact Ashley is in his BMW thus a BMW driver lol
thanks for the videos ashley, you've really helped my driving. Keep it up!
Well done Ashley, another great and informative video. You've shown to be an incredible instructor. Thanks mate.
So much to learn from this video. I'm driving for the first time post-test soon and your videos are really helpful.
Good luck Ryan 👍. Only thing I'd say is (which I've noticed from my sister who recently passed) is to master clutch control and rev matching. Will really help maintain the clutch and smoothness of the engine 👍. I've noticed some instructors don't say to rev the car slightly when getting to the biting point which I think is a must with petrol engines.
"driving's all about being a pessimist" caught that right at the beginng of the bmw clip
I'm gonna start using that now
Had Ash's voice in my head at the little back road leading to my house. It's a blind little bend near some garages with no mirror or anything to show you the other side. I always keep right over so someone sees me soonest and go through steadily. Today no sooner had I started on the bend a car came flying towards me round the bend and had to mount the pavement to avoid me. Had I been an optimist and thought it's fine it's clear I'll just fly through and get home I'd have had a big smash.
My dad used to say to me " drive as if everybody else on the road is trying to kill you" defensive driving is the only way to stay safe, optimism bias gets you killed.
Had one of these bmw tools today. You're right, selfish is the perfect description.
Great analysis as always Ashley. Appreciate the content.
It actually says in the BMW manual that owning the vehicle means you own the road :)
I drive a BMW and we're not all like that! Good reaction from your learner :)
BMW drivers are always brutal. Not you of course Ashley but let's be fair, they're awful. Speeding, no indicators, tailgating etc
Not to mention queue jumping and cutting up.
@@andrewnorris5415 a favourite of theirs
@@andrewnorris5415 queue jumping - do you mean merging in turn correctly at the point of the obstruction? 🤔
And that's just the girls
@@SPTSuperSprinter156 More than likely that is what they mean, enjoy waiting in queues sucker ;)
It's just totally amazing how ANY driver can think that is acceptable. Self-entitlement and total disregard for other road users at it's best. You're right that people should be prepared for idiots on the road but some road users get worse because they know they can and not get punished.
There are regional variations: in middle class Surrey, BMW drivers are just normal. Back in working class Kent, they're abysmal. This backs up Ashley's observation that "they think they've made it." No-one would consider owning a Beamer anything special in Surrey. When I was growing up there, even Porsches were common.
This must be why I'm so confused! This actually explains so much. I live in West Oxfordshire in the village where they film Downton Abbey and there are so many BMWs, it is also where the MINI plant is and most people who work there drive BMW company cars (such as my dad) and all of them are really normal drivers, honestly most BMWs on my way to work just drive normally. I'm glad you've made this point because it's actually helped me to understand the bias against BMWs
@@5uper5kill3rz You're welcome! It does seem to have been a case of the personality type choosing the brand rather than the other way round. I do find it fascinating though, that the stereotype is not limited to the UK.
This's a great analysis. Thanks Ashley ⚘🌷⚘🌷⚘
Excellent point about 'growing the space' when moving off, Ashley.
I think we have all been waiting for this one...
It was the fact that the learner was quicker than expected
Yeah obviously practicing for the next Dubai formula one.
Not the learners fault, it’s the BM drivers assumption that he’ll be slow
As a learner currently I am constantly on lessons and having a BMW right up close behind me, its almost become a humorous part of a lesson now😂
I used to get an audi behind me when I was learning! I almost felt sad if he didn't show up.
On a similar note to Ashley's about how people treat Learner drivers.
I recently drove the 30 odd miles to Cambridge and back in my 1954 Ford Popular. Cruising along at just under 50mph on the A10, not one car bothered to overtake me, despite there being plenty of clear space as the road was quite quiet. The following day I did the same journey in my 1992 Reliant Rialto. Despite cracking along at 60mph, there were six drivers who risked head on collisions in their desperation to get past me, even though once ahead they drove no faster than me, and one even drove slower once past! People just decide that something must on no account be in front of them and will do anything to get past, an act which very often is followed by a sudden slowing and turning off.
I can believe this, I always have an urge to go around Honda Jazz's because SO often I find they drive 40 EVERYWHERE but I shouldn't just assume they're going to be slow, although they usually are. But I think people have more respect because you're driving a classic car, so they think "it's not his fault, it's just an old car' whereas in a 1994 car, it's not a classic and it's old so people just assume its slow and don't respect the driver, because they blame the driver and not the car.
I'm so fed up of (usually BMW or Audi) drivers not indicating appropriately when going round roundabouts. Means I'm sitting there wasting my time as they just turn off at the exit before mine when I could've gone if they'd only made a tiny effort to indicate.
The BMX should have been prepared in the lane as both learner cars way before the traffic lights seeing as the turn off for the car wash was so soon after the lights regardless of whether there were learner cars or not. He should have looked to filter in at a safe point before the lights.
Can confirm. As a BMW driver, I would have been behind Ashley at the lights.... ...but then I would have also used my indicator so 🤷♂️
Yet another example of self importance, and sod everyone else on the road. When you see people do such reckless stunts on the road it should be a wake up call for the rest of us. Keeping a safe distance from the vehicle in front and to the side where possible can help to mitigate against, and manage the risk.
Another way to look at building your acceleration in traffic and as you say ‘growing your space in front’ cloud also be to maintain a correct and safe following distance. Obviously this will also depend on weather, road conditions and visibility. Not only did those bunched cars in lane one have less time to react they had less view of the road ahead. I like what you said about that Ford. It wasn’t doing what most people do and playing follow the leader. Building your pace through the junction is important but it must also be seen in relation to other risk issues in what I would call ‘the bigger picture’
I don’t know about you but I would always teach early observation, reading the road well ahead and even getting pupils to say what they thought could happen up ahead, what might other road users do at the last moment?
I also like you saying ‘a Driver is a natural pessimist’. To me that means you look for worse case scenarios and you are happy when they do not play out.
On multi lane roads and Motorways I would always teach leave yourself an escape route when overtaking. Essentially try never to be ‘three in a line’ or the filling in a sandwich. I used to say to pupils make sure you have a ‘bolt hole’ and of course as you teach using all of your mirrors is essential all of the time.
I had one idiot on Facebook argue with me that using the mirrors takes your attention off the road ahead and what’s happening in front of you. The same person suggested that also went for checking your speedo and instruments. I tried to explain that using mirrors is part of a continual scanning routine (up dating yourself constantly on the whole traffic pattern so you have information with which you can plan) but thus idiot just maintained all you have to do is look ahead and go fast.
What I hate more than anything is that things I am doing to stay safe and keep others on the road safe are seen as being irritating, causing a hold up or an inconvenience.
You know I recall a recent video of yours on tailgating and as you taught if the driver refuses to back off pull over and stop safely. I have to say only weeks ago I did exactly that myself. It was pitch black, the road was in the country, it was narrow, twisty, it was unfamiliar and try as I might to slow and let the idiot driving up my chuff go around, they would not. In the end I just found a safe place to pull over and indicate that I was going to stop. The van when speeding by into the darkness. I rarely have to do that but it was an option I always taught to any driver I trained.
Oh that cracked me up too much!
That maneuver I didn't expect... really it is quite brave to stop the road traffic just like that and expect people to react...
I think your remarks are spot on. Any driver with any planning skills would have seen the gap between you and the learner driver just before you past the lights. That gap was probably his safest option to merge left to catch the exit. His other actions do suggest that the driver was preoccupied with "learner = must overtake it first".
There is really no sensible argument to think that a learner driver will be slow. Any modern car can be driven in a slow or quick way. Maybe the learner driver wanted to keep a catch the following distance after the near stall. It only takes a bit heavier right foot to fix that..
Learner drivers can be a bit less fluent in their actions and decisions. But the BMW driver steals the show in that regard...
Amazing and not a pigeon in sight.
In my years of experience I am never surprised when BMW drivers occupy the fast lane as long as they can!
There is no such thing as the fast lane .
I drive buses and we have a similar situation, people often think they have to get past us as they think its better to risk a crash than be stuck behind a bus.
I never jumped red lights, they were too high off the ground to reach
And secondly, it would have ruined the suspension when it crashed back down on the road again
Just poor driving. He could have pulled into the space in front of you and made a safe left turn.
Terrible planning and still a dick move, but yes, they should have moved into the left lane far earlier and certainly not stopped in the middle of the road.
I think the driver was impatient to get in the correct lane early before and probably spotted the other learner in front and his speed. I see this a bit too much on the dual carriageway, people who quickly go from the inner most lane to the outer lane to get on the slip road off. It's dangerous as if they over judged the timing they might try pushing their way or even colliding with the bollard
@Redblade nah its poor driving, that BMW clearly had absolutely no prior plan to go to that car wash, and absolutely no spacial awareness, as someone who does tend to accelerate quick to beat the traffic, you have to plan ahead to work out if you've actually got space to overtake people otherwise you're an idiot
Love it 😂 recommend one on Nissan qashqai drivers
Near where my partner lives, there is a dual carriage way that has several slip roads coming onto it, and if you move over on the 3rd one to let people merge, sometimes you can not get back over to the left lane before the large multiple lane roundabout, and be in the correct lane for the motorway exit, on a couple of times I have been in one of the 4 other lanes because of this reason, and gave had to go round again, so I can get in the correct lane for my exit, it adds on 5 to 10 mins, but is better than having an accident.
I agree with this video for 100%. That being said, its really difficult to drive a car in my country solely for the fact that a good majority cars on the public road, are bmws: e39, e60, e36, e46 etc models ranging mid 90s upto mid 2000s. And these people just forget roadlaws and spacial awareness the moment they turn the ignition on. Had a few close calls myself too.
In answer to your three questions at 3:10- yes.
I used to be a taxi driver. I was taking a couple home one evening when a BMW pulled a particularly hair-brained overtake.
"A BMW driven by an idiot", I said, "how atypical." My passengers guffawed. I mean they really howled with laughter.
"It wasn't that funny", I thought, "perhaps I should take the edge off that comment." I said, "Still it's not fair to generalize- I'm sure that 98% of BMW drivers are just giving the rest a bad name." That got a laugh too and yes- I wasn't really trying that hard to take the edge off.
I'd've bet good money I was going to see a BMW parked in the driveway when I got them home but, as it happens, I was wrong- there were two!
Oh my....goodness AHAHAHAHAHA
Re: Increase your spacing as the traffic picks up.
This is something people just can't seem to do enough.
It's actually a comment I recall from an F1 driver some years ago. Their point was that even when you have the power to accelerate fast, you should not accelerate faster than the car in front of you. It was one of those differences between a good driver and a novice and something that is just as relevant on the race track as it is the normal roads.
Great video, excellent explanation of how ignorant people can cause danger.
I have a question Ashley. Near where I live there is a 3 way entrance mini roundabout. If 3 cars arrive at the same time who has right of way? There is a give way sign south to north and the other entrance is west? Love to know your thoughts.
Ashley, speaking as a lorry driver, we tend not to be driving in that sort of situation without paying attention. I always look further down the road than most car drivers, and with the higher driving position I can usually see situations like this develop before the cars in front of me.
Funnily enough, I was broken down in my lorry on Thursday in Sheffield on a dual carriageway. It caused quite bad queues on the A57, and when I got towed away we went back up the other side and saw a car with its front end caved in, guess what had happened? A BMW had gone up the back of another BMW. The wrecker driver and I had a good laugh at that!
"they think they've made it"
I was at the tyre fitters a couple of weeks back and the general manager, while indicating which bay to pull into added the words "It seems like everyone has a BMW these days". I was the only car there that wasn't a beemer and there was much laughing from both me & the fitters!
It's just keeping up with the Jones's. Surely not everyone can comfortably afford one the way the country is these days with crap wages and high rent/living costs. People probably have red letters arriving through the post every week and live on beans on toast but it's ok as long as they can show off with their Beemer/Audi etc. I hate pretentious people.
@@alisonwilliams4862
I know a guy at work who (almost) fits this description. The car is his only real asset and I seriously doubt he'll ever move move out of his parent's home.
And the look on his face when I said that if I ever got the "RS" upgraded Transit I would keep the mechanics but make it look like a normal van... Having the appearance of wealth is everything to some people.
''Driving is all about being a pessimist'' - That's a genuinely cool way to think about using the roads. I passed about 3 months ago and that statement holds a lot of weight haha
In my experience Audis are the most likely to be dangerous, followed by BMWs. Mercs and vws in my experience are usually pretty tame. Although taxis, especially toyota avensis taxis, are pretty dangerous too.
I've been practically pushed up a bypass by a BMW driver who decided that the max speed of 50 (which I was doing) wasnt fast enough for him, there are traffic lights at the end of this bypass and they were changing to red when I got to them which scared him, he then stalled when the lights turned green. I've had one lane hog on the dual carriageway and wouldn't let me overtake a slow moving van. I'm also still learning to drive so get this off other cars sometimes too 😞
Ashley & pupil and others in lane 2 did an amazing job to avoid an accident. In an ideal world what should happen now is the insurer of the BMW driver should immediately contact the driver and inform them their insurance premium will increase by £300 + a note on file (with the footage/evidence that's available to all insurers) about the incident and also offer, if not already fitted, the option of a black box to reduce the increase by 50%.
That action is about big ( profiteering ) business taking responsibility for their customers.
I completely disagree with the insurance part of your statement, however I do agree that there should be some sort of penalty for this, perhaps in a ideal world, the police could be sent the video and then send the BMW driver a fine for careless driving which is £100 fine and 3 points, then when they renew their insurance, their premium will go up anyway, however If you are caught again the penalties will become steeper until eventually your banned and possibly in prison....
@@reece3279 In an ideal world you'd see traffic police on our roads on a daily basis... as of now spotting a traffic cop is like trying to find an Irish Elk (no need to Google it..it was extinct about 6,000 years ago)
My reasoning for the insurers was two fold.
They know there's no (or very few) traffic police and they profiteer from everyday people therefore they should be made accountable. Other business's are held accountable (like PPI, betting etc)
It's not necessarily learner drivers they desperately want to get past. Too many drivers want to get past something they perceive as slow whether it's a learner, a bus or a HGV and will take stupid risks in wanting to save a few seconds out of their lives. It's not necessarily BMW drivers, or Audis! The worst offenders I seem to see, in the Highlands, on a daily basis are pickups, particularly Ford Rangers.
Same goes for a cyclist (I drive and cycle). The worse for being impatient are Range Rovers, BMWs and Audis. They will happily close pass rather than wait a few seconds for it to be clear. I went to Scotland recently, totally different driving in the highlands, so patient and respectful. I stayed away from the cities in Scotland so cannot comment on them, but elsewhere it was amazing.
Taxi drivers are worse than BMW drivers. Has to be the only thing worse
Now I'm waiting for the BMW taxi.
@@mattbradley2185 Jesus that's like something from a horror movie
I find delivery / van drivers to be bad. Always get them overtaking me when I stop at a temporary traffic light and going through a red light.
@@zaink7037 they're also terrible, however i think some delivery drivers are in a rush etc as i believe amazon warehouses for example won't hand the delivery to the driver if they miss their slot for pick up so i think that explains their behaviour
@@samanthamaria5183 that sadly may be the case. Some are self employed so make a living on the number of deliveries they make a day. I wish there was a way around this as it shouldn't be that they are driving like utter knobs just to make a living.
The BMW driver might well have thought there was an opportunity to pass the learner however when watching dashcam videos, it is surprising how many drivers think overtaking immediately before turning left is a good idea. Some are unbelievably stupid.
At least he had enough signal liquid.
You mean blinker fluid.
@@hasaniqbal5851 yeep u got it ;)
@@nicemihcos You mean indicator juice?
Wow. That was something I cool bad. The driver's behind him on right hand lane must have wondered what's going on. This is totally important for emergency stops on lessons
One day I was cycling to my uni lecture across a street that some piece of cartilage at the council thought would be ok to sandwich a cycle lane between a car park entrance lane and two one way lanes.
Anyway there was a 3 series BMW driving up this car park lane as I was levelled with him in the cycle land, when he realised he was in the wrong lane and just swerved right onto the cycle lane with me on it. I nearly ended up under a car that morning. If I die on a road it better not be by a beemer
This is a common problem with riding a scooter/moped. It is assumed that you will be slower than the rest of traffic and so you are more often ignored as a road user. I rode a 125cc scooter for a delivery company because I couldn't afford a bigger bike, now that I can and do ride a bigger bike I still find some drivers treating me like a moped but that might be the delivery box effect on the back.
Same in bin trucks ppl MUST get passed us at what ever cost
This is a PERFECT example of why people should create a gap to the car in front! Also, imagine if the BMW driver decided to actually make the left turn whilst say the blue car behind was doing a high speed lane switch back into lane 1! I see that a lot when people pull away where they rush to switch lanes and I also see people take massive chances with cheeky manoeuvres so wouldn't surprise me if the BMW driver decided to take the turn.. Imagine if the blue car was mid way into the lane switch and the BMW driver didn't spot it and made the turn.. oooooff naassty
Hi thanks for clip all car makes have drivers like this , have had this done before by lots of other makes . BMW was past the pnr and was just stupid but kudos to the Ford and maybe anyone else behind it . People in whatever they drive behave stupidly and very selfish and don’t like to get called on it . Very educational , liked the clip and these help all no matter what experience . 👍👑
The stats disagree with you though. A study by GoCompare Car Insurance has found that BMW drivers are the most likely to be convicted of an offence and cause a collision on the road. E.g. More than one in six BMW 4 series drivers (17.1%) have at least one conviction - more than double the average across all models (8.5%), while one in five (21.3%) BMW 4 series drivers have also made an at-fault claim. press.gocompare.com/news/bmw-drivers-named-most-dangerous-on-uk-roads
One thing that really gets on my last nerve are drivers who are possessive, arrogant and think they own the road. Especially drivers of larger, faster vehicles. Whether its pulling out on oncoming traffic, cutting in front of other drivers or refusing to let other drivers merge into or cross over into the same lane as them when the driver making the manoeuvre has every right to do so and is doing so safely. It increases risk to everyone on the road. It's not a competition, we all SHARE the road, none of us OWN it.
BMW gets owned by a learner driver, lol! Just as well the Ford behind kept its distance
Your conclusion, I completely agree with. Why? is what I want to know. I have spoken to people who drive many vehicles but the moment they drive a BMW they feel 'entitled' or feel that they should drive like they shouldn't have to indicate or wait. Ask them? Love to watch that video.....and see the comments.
I've thought about this for a while. Certain personality traits in people get drawn to BMW/Audi cars. These same traits also cause poor driving habits to become more common. It's a Venn diagram situation. Think about it, when was the last time you got over taken on a dangerous road by a Toyota or Dacia.
Like many, I've had a dozen cars or so over the years but have only ever owned a BMW once (recently got rid of it for a fiesta) and I hated being on the road in it.. Loved the car but the way I was treated on the road and the perceived behaviour of others towards me because I drove a BMW was so obvious. It made for uncomfortable situations when I had my wife and daughter in the car.. Since moving to a fiesta its like a night and day difference, I get thank yous from other drivers after giving them right if way/pulling out, people let me pull out on junctions far more then ever and just in general driving is enjoyable without the stigma associated with being seen in a BMW.
Credit to the driver of the Ford behind you for using his noggin. The rest, as you said, had to slam on the brakes quite harshly.
I'd never drive a BMW simply because of the stigma attached to them, and it's not without reason. I guess it's something to do with money?
Or narcissists who just can't bear to be seen in a normal car such as a Ford.
Lack of money. Ever been cut up by a 750iL?
Nor would I drive an Audi ether, they are even worse than bmw drivers
I think the drivers in the second lane may have been following like sheep, however it is a 40mph dual carriageway and it is completely unexpected for anyone to stop in the outside lane, so I would expect the sharper braking. It's not just BMW's it is any inconsiderate driver who does a maneuver like that, and that includes trucks too. I see this a lot on multiple entrance ways to motorway round abouts where they are in the wrong lane and either stop or do their best to cut the driver up who is behind them in another lane, or in one case beside me, even after I had tooted my horn, he continued moving in, forcing me to brake sharply - I felt sorry for the truck behind me. Keep up the good work - a good driver is a learning driver.
I was driving behind some BMW 1er today, and it was not 114i, but at least 135i. I was wondering for some time why he bought a powerful BMW if he drives slowly behind other traffic all the time.
But then we got to the corners, that guy lost his mind, he was immediately way ahead of me. Straights sure, because he had 120HP more, but also in corners it can handle up to 20km/h higher speed than my Astra. In the end I catched up to him, but that's not the point, I know it was about driving pleasure.
But still dangerous, during one corner even I got scared of the oncoming bus, and I was driving at least 20 km/h less.
Then after this 1,5 km of corners he drove completely normal again, not even 10km/h above the limit, not even one overtake, and indicators and all. This is actually very surprising for a BMW driver.
But 50k€ just to take some corners here and there faster, I rather have my 20k€ Astra.
And about that BMW indicating, he actually didn't, he first braked, then indicated, that's not proper indicating, it should be other way around. Almost the same as if he didn't indicate.
Robert you dont happen to be from sussex do you?
The BMW driver needed to get his car washed in a hurry.... Ashley needed to get his trousers washed in a hurry after witnessing this fine manoeuvre! 😂
I have a bimmer and I always use my indicators, otherwise the bloody lane keep assist intervenes and puts me back in lane.
Your right about some bmw drivers, and I tend to find its the lower spec financed bmws are worse, posher bmws dont seem to drive not quite as bad.
sneekeruk yep. There is a clear difference between the ones that are £299 per month and the ones with 6 cylinder engines in how the cars (and other road users) are treated
To be fair to the BMW driver, he does own the road. So, y'know...
That BMW driver had purchased the option extra - The indicators package
I wish I had a dash cam for what happened to me.
Now I only passed 6 months ago and I always give respect to learners as I live in an area that’s very popular for instructors but this Corsa in front of me decided she would follow a BMW down a bus lane just to undertake a learner car. You know what the funniest part was? It was only the instructor driving. So we pull away and I start to accelerate out to the speed limit and keeping a two second gap. Then what does she do? Tries to squeeze into not even a full car length gap without an indicator!! Then pulls the finger at me. Honestly it pains me to see what people do just to get by learners...
It was more of a lack of planning that led to the situation and I don't think that people overtaking learner drivers is something you should take so personally . People want to be able to keep their usual distance behind the cars in front of them, which is not a good thing to do behind a learner driver because they are more unpredictable and drive slower. And also it seems to me the best thing to do in that particular situation was to keep going, because evidently the BMW saw you and stopped, otherwise it would have continued with its turn if it hadn't seen you.
Helps road safety if entrances and exits are clearly signed to petrol stations, car washes etc especially on a main road it makes it more obvious to motorists to expect cars to be turning in or out.
I’m a new driver and I feel like every time I’m tailgated it’s a BMW, mercedes or audi
Maybe they're boring cars they want to get out of at the earliest opportunity...
yeh....German cars, thing is there's lots of German cars on the road, as such it's a higher percentage of those cars on the road. To my mind as you say bad planning.... but then I'm an Audi driver, great vid as always thank you.
Good student, and Good Ford driver behind you!
Wow Ashley's foresight and reactions and taking command BOOM #genius
I find it is usually drivers of the lower model range BMWs that are most likely to be tailgating and driving like an idiot. I've never been tailgated by a M3, but a 318 or 316 all the time.
Also I find grey/white/black BMWs are more likely to to be driven badly compared to other colours. Probably as they are company cars or hire purchases rather than owned by an individual who went to a BMW dealership to buy their car.
Rover200Power it’s funny how many many sweeping statements there are about BMWs and their drivers there are, but this has to be the most truthful one I have seen.
Vauxhall drivers are the worst, 99% of them can’t drive.
Get this on my bike too... must get in front MGIF attitude. Why didn't the Beemer just carry on and turn around further down the road?
This used to always be my view years ago but I believe BMWs are quite a common car now.
This should at least be a 60 mph road!
BMW driver just being a BMW driver. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Round my end its the bloody Golfs and Leons that mess about, also I've noticed that they are buying Toyota Yaris' as well.
Hah yes it's funny to me how when we're driving the ringroad the troublemakers are BMWs being crazy, and as soon as we leave the motorway into southern Manchester, we're suddenly inundated with GOLF GT drivers being assholes instead. The poor man's BMW apparently
Where I live it's very rural and the worst drivers by a country mile are women, usually young. They drive too fast on single track roads and have no concept of how to use reverse gear.
They also don't understand the basic principle that only half of the road you can see in front of you is your stopping space. Because if anything is coming the other way they also need room to stop.
CC Centurion I was doing a school run and was driving behind young sixth formers and they are so dangerous, no indicators, overcrowding the car, speeding
@@cccenturion4480 Also it depends on the speed of the approaching traffic. If they are going fast, you have to go even slower as your stopping distance is now less because theirs' is greater.
I'm inclined to think the BMW was just being a prxx and wanted past both you and the stalled learner (who seemed to have recovered nicely from the stall) and was that focused on passing you both that they forgot their destination was close. However that doesn't rule out the possibility of bad planning.
I find the BMW's position to be a poor choice assuming the driver knew the road and knew their destination was so close. It would have been better if the BMW was in your lane but perhaps it wasn't possible to pull over before the lights?
Regardless, stopping in the outer lane of a dual carriageway is dangerous. It's a common cause of pileups, along with not keeping proper stopping distances. People die because someone could not be bothered to carry on turn around at the next roundabout. All to get their car washed, hardly in a rush.
@@andrewnorris5415 that's true, if you miss your turn then the best thing you can do is carry on to the next exit and find another way to your destination. I remember being taught that when learning to drive, if you miss your exist then keep gong and take the next one or take a right turn if possible (and safe! Dual carriageways have gaps in the barriers for making right turns but it's very dangerous due to the speed of oncoming traffic).
I find it funny how people like to get past the learner.. I actually like to be behind them because I feel they are less likely to do stupid things.. and I know I can give them a nice gap because I still years later remember how much tailgaters knocked my confidence as a learner. Much rather be behind a learner than somebody like the nob in that BMW
Brilliant observation of potential danger Ashley. I've driven (and cycled) for 60 years having passed the IAM test for a second time couple of years ago. I have not considered BMW, Mercedes drivers any worse. There are simply bad drivers regardless of the cars they drive. Interestingly I have driven big old Jaguars and Rovers quite sedately for many years and I don't recall any notable displays of arrogance or superiority from German car drivers. Hmmm.
Poor planning on the BMW driver's part.
While I have noticed that a lot of prats on the road are BMW, Audi and Merc drivers, it's important not to stereotype. I heard of a guy who had been driving Volkswagens for 20 years, but then he switched to BMW and then got loads more abuse from other drivers, and thats the only reason I would never get a BMW, I'd prefer to avoid the aggro. I reckon is something to do with having a sportier car with great handling, you kinda get sucked into it and get cocky. That's why I reckon Ford fiestas are involved in more accidents than VW Polo's, because the former is known for sporty handling. That's just my theory.
Hey! We Merc drivers arent that bad!
How many Fiestas are on the road compared to Golfs though? Round here you'll find the young lads rallying souped up Golfs around.
Nightmare just want to clarify that I don’t think all BMW, Audi and Merc drivers are prats, but more often than not, the more inconsiderate drivers I’ve come across fell under those 3 makes. My apologies if I offended anyone.
Its sad that all drivers of those brands get painted with the same brush because of the idiots out there.
KahnuevsKrake Vauxhall drivers are the worst, not aggressive but can’t drive
The BMW in question could have moved into left hand lane between the 2 learner cars if they really wanted to but it’s about getting in front of learners first and then deciding to go left.
A fellow cyclist who trolls me once made himself a video where he stated the Audi and BMW driver debate is a total myth, and its our own prejudice and bias that forces us to see errors in their driving... I don't know about that, Honestly, I see so much awful driving by Audis and BMWs around West Yorkshire... they really do treat everyone else on the road with utter disregard.
1 series, Golf and A3 drivers seem to do the most aggressive dangerous driving (and things like in this clip). Peugeot drivers have no perception at junctions and small SUV drivers (Juke etc) have poor lane and awareness of whats around them issues.