Ashley's Analysis | 3 From Twitter
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I can answer Jeremy's first question "Who's going to kill me today?".....most likely yourself Jeremy.
I am so glad I read the comments first, as I was about to double up and say this.
It won't be long before Vine comes a cropper, I hope it isn't serious, but it will happen, he will be looking at a non event (Like the rubbish collection truck) and screaming about it, and clip the kerb, cycle into a parked car or hit a pedestrian. And it will all be someone else's fault never St Jeremy's.
There is a huge difference between someone making a mistake / misjudgement and seriously injuring someone. And deliberately putting yourself in danger and complaining. Interesting if any of these riders would put themselves in a boxing ring with a heavy weight and complain afterwards.
Nailed! 👍🏼
Jeremy Vine’s stock in trade is to put people with opposite views head to head or take a position so far away from the norm and to challenge others to contest it. He deliberately plays devil’s advocate. Unfortunately he seems to take this attitude and posturing out with him on the bike. Sooner or later he’s going to be out thought or out manoeuvred in either scenario.
Jeremy is a genuine shit stirrer. About everything. Unlike his brother Tim who is hilarious
I honestly can not believe that the cyclist in the first clip decided to proceed and ride next to that lorry. It's absolutely astonishing the levels people will go to just to try to give someone else a telling off.
I was always wary of passing a lorry on the left in my car, let alone on my bike. Especially on tight city roads.
Can’t believe what I’ve just seen. He was inches from death on three occasions there (one caused by the van) but all three could’ve easily been avoided by just hanging back a little bit.
I expect he found it exhilarating.
Looking for a CZcams upload. I’ve said it before. Does the guy on the bike not understand Self Preservation?
I would have slowed down already when I saw the van, I usually slow down at intersections, even if I can't see a danger. And I would never go alongside any large vehicle that have blind spots.
"I was only doing 20"
Yeah. Down a narrow gap between two rows of stationary traffic, in an area with pedestrian.
As a regular cyclist I support Ashley. He just wants us to be safe and for people to treat us safely. He has done a great deal promoting cyclist safety.
Agreed! All parties need to help each other stay safe on the road instead of acting like clans at war.
@@hikaru9624 Exactly.
As someone who only cycles in the warmer days of the year for a bit of fun and exercise, and mostly drives, I too support Ash's perspective.
As my old Dad used to say, you can have right of way all the way to the hospital.
I agree - daft to suppose that any particular group are innately better or safer users of the road than others. All should be defensive and Ashley’s analysis helps us all learn and develop.
I totally agree. If only more people would see that he is only trying to help.
He can't change everyone's mindset though.
He's definitely changed mine for sure, and likely others. Enough of a difference to save even a few lives is excellent.
I wholeheartedly commend Ash for his efforts.
- "Look at my bad driving experience that wasn't my fault"
- What could you have done to avoid it?
- "It wasn't my fault"
- i know, but what could you have done....
- BLOCK
Some people just want their pound of flesh😀 Spot-on analysis, as always.
I have these discussions with American commenters on, of all things, defensive driving video channels. It's as if it's a constitutional right to collide with other drivers if they make a mistake. Avoidance - which is taught on this channel - doesn't come into it.
@@PedroConejo1939 as an American commenter I'd love to be the exception to the rule. Will 100% agree it takes two to tango, and if there is something you could have done to avoid a crash, you should have done it.
@@OutsideSometimes I'm sure you are an exception to the rule, after all, you're watching this channel, which is generally a good indicator. I'm sometimes rather scathing of American drivers, not because they're all bad, but because there's a vocal element that deals with driving on the basis of whose fault is it rather than how could I have avoided that? Like in so many things, it's a polarised country in the rights/responsibility area. I have driven extensively in the US - in the South, Southwest and West Coast and Pacific Northwest, and found that driving was relaxed and largely trouble free. It's when I see the fatality rates and watch dashcam channels with some of their brainless comments that I cannot believe how people are unable to see the simple expedient of avoiding the collision in the first place. The UK has its fair share of that too.
The one thing I usually take from Ashley is; better to be safe than right.
Thats the art of defensive driving -- live to drive or ride another day.
Clip 1 - anyone with an ounce of sense would be slowing down and anticipating the second they saw that van to the left. This one was clearly in a world of their own and everyone else should accommodate them. If there was ever a case of someone asking to be run over.
Let's not kid ourselves, it's a horrible road. It's too narrow to support a cycle lane yet somehow there is one there. The bollards are useless as a means of segregation, as the truck demonstrates. Neither trucker or cyclist looks good in this situation. I know that I would not be attempting to pass that truck unless it was stationary. In fact, I'd probably be in primary position on this road and ignore the cycle lane.
Sadly some cyclist think they always have right of way
Even if the van was on the line, the possibility of something hidden emerging left is high.
@@mikenumpty9366 Sadly some motorists think exactly the same!
That 2nd clip felt more like a racer who wanted to keep his pace up, to me. Feeling like he's got the right to use the roadway as he pleases because there's a cycle lane and he's got a camera. Protected cycle lanes are important, but when they're badly made like this one they may cause a false sense of security or worse, superiority in some users.
I certainly would never have gone up alongside a truck of that size without a hard separation in road space.
In the Vine clip, he says his route is now clear. It wasn’t. There’s a car stuck out over it. If the van did stay on that course he would’ve been in the same boat as the guy in the first clip.
Jeremy Vine is always making a mountain out of a mole hill. If the van hadn't turned left he would have still put himself in danger because, undertaking the van with the car obstructing the cycle lane, he wouldn't have had room to safely pass between the two.
As an ex-cyclist (no longer due to health and location issues) here's my two penneth worth.
Too many cyclists in urban areas are looking for an argument, I've been there on both sides.
To all road users, stop this madness and slow down, it will save you a lot of heartache. We are all under pressure, especially those working, looking after our families, paying bills and ultimately under too much stress. This stress is your distraction, especially for vehicle users. For cyclists, please don't put your life at risk because you have right on your side. Right does not pay the bills or worse your funeral costs. Be Humble, Promote Happiness
Well, there is no way I would have gone alongside that lorry. That was so scary and the way it was moving into the cycle lane should make it very clear that you should hold back until it's safe to carry on. As for Jeremy Vine, we all know that he loves to make something out of nothing. I wouldn't have made a move to go down the inside of that van. Maybe I'm more careful than he is.
It is alleged that Jeremy Vine has another channel under a different name where he drives lorrys and is irritated at cyclists.
I agree about the position with the lorry. I never go up the inside of something that big, even if it's stopped I'll think twice about it. Simply hold back and stay safe.
@Zaranathax there's a sign on European trucks showing their blind spots, "angles mort", literally dead angles... we need something this direct on UK trucks.
I think Jeremy and the first cyclist are examples of people who concern themselves far too much with their own opinion of what other road users should be doing, instead of concentrating on what other road users ARE doing. They will only adjust their driving/riding to suit what they think other traffic should do, instead of what it is doing.
Both intended to squeeze though clearly dangerous gaps just because they decided those gaps shouldn't be dangerous if everyone else had followed the rules.
All kinds of obstacles and hazards hinder my progress on the roads. I don't consider whether the obstacle or hazard has a right to be there or not before I decide not to slam into it.
I think "more sensible" as well.
It's always amusing when grown men are using the block button to stop potential criticism. It says a lot about their personality.
They use the block button, and don't realise people can still watch their stuff, by just logging out of Twitter, or using a different browser that doesn't log in automatically with saved credentials, etc.
Got caught up with the twitter cyclists when snake pass was closed. They are militant. They feel if you don't support them, you're against them.
My favourite was running red lights. 'more cars run red lights than cyclists'. There's more cars on the road than cyclists. 'Well a car will do more damage than a cyclist'. Great logic, measuring damage as a reason to jump a light.
I now rarely go on twitter now.
@@DashCamSheffield A cyclist can cause major not by what they hit but by the evasive action they can cause other to take. Example swevering to avoid a cyclist running a red light and in doing so losing control and hitting another road user or pedestrian or slamming on causing the car behind to run into the back of them. Also cyclist can still kill pedestrians especially the lycra crew with the speeds they travel at. I drive a Bus in the city and one of the worst things I see them do is run red lights at pelican crossings by flying up the inside of the bus where they have no view of the crossing whatsoever and can come within inches of hitting pedestrians, on many occassions I have saved pedestrians in such a scenario from being hit by use of the horn the poor peds shit their pants but seeing the bike fly by soon look at me to thank me.
Agree totally, Ash is watching with tons of experience in road safety education and also with Hindsight. this turns any possible "criticism" into a massive learning opportunity. I would be truly honoured to get some of Ashley's thoughts on how I could improve
Grown up men never block anyone, It's those that never quite made it to manhood that do that.
The effort that drama queen Jeremy vine puts into his videos is amazing.
Imagine if he just rode correctly.
Typical journalist though to create situations or make situations worse.
vindicates my long standing opinion that Jeremy Vine deserves none of/is unqualified for the major shows he is allowed to present.
Probably some intern at the BBC or Channel 5 who got the job of doing it was trying too hard impress.
His riding was fine in the video there was no incident. He didn't have time to put himself in the dangerous position.
@@cornishalps9870 He knew exactly what he was doing, in my opinion. Looking for an opportunity for another of his silly videos.
If he put as much effort into riding safely as he does his videos, he wouldn't get any attention. That is really what he's looking for.
IMO Jeremy Vine is doing more harm than good in terms of road safety awareness, getting a reputation as a serial complainer. Honestly a really good analysis Thank you!. I Hope the cyclist in clip one watches this.
All Jeremy does is create a culture of us and them.
He is on record as saying that any driver who goes at one mile and hour over 30MPH shoud result in all four tyres blowing out.
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj Well that's hardly going to make things safer!
@@unsafevelocities5687 Quite, he is well known for making these absurd comments.
@@wrightwoodwork surely you meant us and him 🤪
IMHO the second clip is all about "I need content!! I want views!". As a cyclist I see this daily and I don't stress about it 🤷♂️ I keep my distance and enjoy the ride. The editing however is made to provoke, your observations were spot on! 👌
The text on the clip - My route to work is now safe and clear - is the biggest piece of self delusion I've heard from a road user in a long time. He's looking straight at a potential hazard and what does he choose to do? Move from the right to the left, into a very narrow cycle lane, to overtake a dodgy-looking van on the inside. Strewth, that Vine is short on the readies upstairs.
I agree re your comment on many of JVs films, which makes it harder to understand why Ashley keeps publicising them. The issues of cycling in London doesn't affect the 55 million of us not living in London, and certainly won't affect those living in Merseyside. I think Ashley is focussing on cycling matters (which won't help us drivers stay safe) purely for clickbait reasons, sadly.
3:46 The hit post could have easily fell across the cycle lane and tripped up the cyclist. Another good reason why you should adapt to the situation and, in this case, hold back.
That post, could have been the cyclist 🙏
I would have been holding back too here, but that HGV driver needs urgent retraining at best, or sacking at worst.
@@DavArc626 I doubt that the flexiposts are meant to be hit like that normally. The truck driver needed to slow down and possibly even negotiate with oncoming traffic to avoid hitting it.
@@unsafevelocities5687 ... ... but what was the cyclist doing there in the first place? I read somewhere, "You can re-train "wrong" but you can't re-train "stupid".
@@jimmyccam I also can't believe that as I would never cycle down the inside of a moving truck like they did, but the cyclist being there didn't cause the truck to run over the post.
I'm not sure about your saying there. To paraphrase the movie Jack Reacher, training makes people who aren't necessarily smart seem smart.
The last clip -
" I was only doing 20" - yeah, between two rows of stationary vehicles..
The cyclist in the first clip is almost suicidal in his refusal to slow down, just to gain a few seconds. Madness.
Spot on at 6:26 - as soon as I saw that text popup, I thought, "It isn't safe though, is it?" There's no way I'd ever try to push through that gap, even if the van had continued ahead.
Just because your lane is clear doesn't mean it's safe and you have defacto priority over everyone else in the situation to steam into potential hazards.
As both a driver and a cyclist: that bicycle gutter looks like a classic useless death trap and I would take the middle of the main lane instead. Doesn't seem to be much wider than the handlebars, and the main lane is pretty narrow too.
That last clip is well assessed - the absolute speed is not important, the speed compared to the time for responding is what matters.
I dont ride myself but everyone I know that does has said filtering, when done correctly and properly should be no more than 10mph of the speed of traffic you are filtering through but it also depends on the situation (please correct me if I am wrong so I can correct my friends). In this instance, as you say, speed was the issue.
Just becuase it says I can do 60mph down a single track winding country lane, I’m usually doing less than 20!
@Smiler Bob I'd say in standing traffic, walking pace is about as fast as you should be going. In crawling traffic, only marginally faster (unless its a motorway or the like, less chance of pedestrians, more space between lanes). Once general traffic speed picks up above a slow crawl, filtering shouldn't be happening. If cars are moving forward, they can also go sideways, and in queues, most folk ain't looking for motorbikes, they're looking for gaps in the faster moving lane.
@@mcdon2401 Thank you for the clarification 👍
Back in mists of time I worked for a logistics company. They put everyone, I mean everyone through defensive driving courses . All road users and a tailored drive around for those who did not drive. It really taught others about driving trucks , cars, cycles and being aware. I worked with them for 6 years they had zero accidents with trucks , company cars and one with a delivery van. The biggest take away I got was never assume what the other road user is going to do and drive your own vehicle not theirs.
So, did that training include methods of destroying cycling infrastructure, in a purely defensive manner?
Spot on!
Firstly, that van was probably waiting a very long time for a gap, so he crept forward hoping to slot in. Unfortunately for him, it is risky because the cyclist does have right of way. The cyclist is probably quite experienced in taking risks like this, especially in London.
Then on the lorry, what most people don’t realise is that while a lorry can fit in its lane (barely) under normal circumstances (like straight lines), but when there are bends in the road (or kerbing and bollards in this case) they do encroach. Cyclists should be aware of the and try to avoid being in these positions just like a normal driver would avoid being in the lorry’s blind spot.
One last tid bit of insight, a lorry weighs tons, momentum is far too great to slow down or even suddenly stop at the bollard and let the cyclist pass before encroaching. The lorries choices were: encroach 10 inches on the left, or mount the kerb and ram the bollard on the right.
it's funny. when I was leaving work for home, yesterday, I came upon a sign that was installed such that the only way I could have a view of traffic in the nearest lane was to pull forward until I was completely blocking pedestrians or cyclists who might have wanted to cross my path. to add to the irony, it was a pedestrian crossing sign.
Agreed, absolutely. Note though that there is explicitely no concept of 'right of way' in UK traffic law. There is a definition of 'priority' but it is also made clear that priority is to be given, not taken. If someone either chooses not to or cannot give it, it's best to just let them get on with it, especially if you are the one not wearing the big metal box.
The lorry driver was far from blameless. The onus is still on them to be able to stop, if they can't they're going too fast. Hazards like bends & bollards make that more applicable. The solid white line gave the cyclist priority in the cycle lane, even if they were unwise to take it
Second clip, I feel like Vine is now simply fuelling the flames on this perceived cyclist vs motorist war. And I feel like I'm probably going to get the stick for it when riding sensibly. There were several incidents that could have been 'events' on last night's ride, which I made non-events. Including one where I was overtaken on the leadup to a roundabout, and the motorist clearly didn't look far enough beyond me as they ended up pulling out in front of a right-turning car. I held back, kept out of it. Frankly, I want to enjoy my cycle without getting angry and... well, dying.
It's only a matter of time until Vine is looking at a "Culprit" to chastise them and is oblivious to the accident waiting to happen in front of him.
The way he cycles, he's going to be analysing from the back of an ambulance soon enough. There are plenty of bad drivers out there without hunting them down.
He was focusing 100% of his attention of the van, and 0% of his attention on the emerging vehicle that might not have seen him because of the van. There was a high chance that the emerging vehicle pulls out and hits the cyclist here.
@@Pattoe Good point. Classic SMIDSY but so easily anticipated.
Absolutely spot on analysis as always, I agree 100%. Those that block you rather than open a dialogue clearly know they are in the wrong.
I'm a middle-aged guy now but I cycled like those pictured here when I was way younger, but I've grown out of it, so in my opinion, what Ashley is doing is helping us all get experience sooner. To all those offended by Ashley's analysis, for yours and ours sake, take your heads out of your bottoms and start listening😉. Cheers everybody.
I really appreciate the balanced view of incidents that looks at what everyone can do better. Some people on youtube seem to be of the impression that because car drivers have a higher level of responsibility, that practically absolves other users of theirs.
I commented on one post recently about my experience of a one way system at a local hospital, where building work is going on to the left hand side, with a fence blocking the pavement off completely. I watched an adult and his two children walk from a perfectly safe pavement, over to the left hand side of the road, pass a crossing point and then continue to walk in the road for 50 or 60 yards. I had to slow to an almost complete stop behind them, which didn't bother me overly much, but the car behind me was getting agitated and flashing their lights. Eventually the pedestrians crossed back to an actual pavement.
When I mentioned it on a dashcam channel, someone commented that pedestrians are allowed to use any part of the roadway, however and whenever they like. That ignores the part of the HC which says they should use a pavement where available and walk facing traffic. Plus I don't think the authors of the HC intended it to be used to recommend that pedestrians just walk willy nilly wherever they feel like regardless of how unsafe it is. Generally the only time I'll walk in the road is where the pavements are obstructed, or its non existent such as in the countryside.
i just blocked a guy for making similar accusations against me. I mentioned a local school, where parents park on zig zags near a manned crossing, then drag their children across the road, instead of using the zebra crossing, and got a load of criticism about my driving, with the guy saying "It's legal to cross anywhere" and not accepting it's stupid to not use the crossing, especially when there's a lollipop lady manning it. I can only presume the people that make such observations are self entitled and, like you said, think they have no responsibility.
@engineeredlifeform might have been the same person, did they quote a highway code first?
Fun !
HWC Rule 18 says:
"Rule 18
At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous."
Same here. I frequently run on tight country roads. I don't wear headphones ever when running as I like to use all my senses and I regularly check behind me. If I am on a country road and there is a blind bend I might switch to the other side of the road to get a better view and for drivers coming in the opposite direction a better chance of seeing me. It does help that I run early in the morning. But there is one stretch considering it is wide enough for 4 cars but only a single carriageway with no central boundary where cars pass way too close. Out of my 30+ years of gaining a driving license I have cycled 10 of them so have been on both sides too. My philosophy is to arrive at my destination safely not via a hospital bed no matter what form of transport.
@@engineeredlifeform The highway code specifically states pedestrians should only cross over the zebra markings, NOT the zig zags, quoting legal reqts as ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5). It's a three-point endorsement and £100 fine for parking on the zig zags - and possibly a further three points and fine if they also go up on the pavement.
Perfect analysis Ashley. It's a shame Jeremy Vine doesn't take his own advice about 'being careful out there'. Thanks for doing what you do and highlighting the need for us all to work harder to keep each other safe, rather than going for shouty clickbait.
"I was only doing 20 or 21 could have been 23 but you should have seen me old woman!" Hope he checked she was ok.
There appears to be an absolute determination by JV to get injured. Being in the "right" doesn't keep you safe and there were so many risks being taken by JV. I would have held back from the white van because the driver seemed hesitant and his positioning on the road indicated to me he might turn left. JV was in the van's blind spot and the van driver may never have actually seen JV at all. Not signalling with a flashing orange light is not helpful I agree but there were other even more obvious signals on display imo.
I think there's an advantage to being a cyclist and driver. I tend to 'read the road' in the same way when on my bike or in my van or lorry. Ashley's video's has helped me enhance that ability too. I'm thinking that the first cyclist was in and out of the lorries blind spots which is highly dangerous, but seriously, what's the rush? no one got anywhere faster! No one ever really does! Has for Jermmy Vine? he's not safe on a bike at all! Nor is he improving road safety with his drama queen antics, he's just further perpetuating a war between different road user's. That sort of thing means that the rest of us suffer abuse when out on the roads. Nothing in either clips needed to be on social media, just complete non events. Or should have been!! Lets all just share the road safely People.
Great analyst Thank you.
Jeremy Vine is a hype-milking twat.
Perfect analysis of a perfect analysis.
I honestly don't understand why the tribal cyclists take issue with you. Personally I really appreciate the awareness and education that you bring in relation to vulnerable road users in general - and see you as one of the best advocates for cyclists' safety on the roads. Thanks Ash.
When I was young and stupid in the 1990s and 2000s and had some testosterone left I used to get into conflict on my daily cycle commute in London. Then I did an advanced driving course and my anticipation skills improved massively. My increasing maturity also helped me empathise with other road users. Suddenly I started to really enjoy my ride and can’t remember when I last argued with a driver. In fact I’m quite embarrassed remembering when I did. Hopefully Jeremy will grow up one day and place himself somewhere other than the centre of the universe.
"I was only going 20"
Could be a great epitaph
On the Vine clip, imagine that pedestrian was two steps ahead and waiting to cross, and the van stopped to let them cross (as per newest highway code suggestion).
Yep it could be argued that the van did not signal but how much time did he have to signal about 30 foot? If I'd been the Van driver I would of however stopped for the pedestrian.
If, like Jeremy Vine and certain other vloggers (cyclists and motorists), you go around looking for trouble, you will always find it!
Sadly far too prevalent with those who upload footage
Clip 1: Stay behind the lorry, give yourself space to be clear of the van coming out, stay behind the lorry. He'd get past the lorry at the next set of lights when it is going slowly or stopped anyway.
Clip 2: No vine didn't handle that well. Usually I'd prefer to say how I would have handled that situation but in this one it's really difficult. It's one of those where you feel your vulnerability acutely. Any course of action that was available has some problem with it. What is going on behind me would affect my decisions and I don't know what was behind in that clip.
Clip 3: in just about every clip on YT posted by a motorcyclist of something happening when they were filleting, they were going too fast.
Hi Ashley, another interesting video, and I totally agree about the poor cycling and driving shown in the clips. I think you have missed a really important point in both clips 1 & 2 - unsafe cycle infrastructure. Those painted cycle lanes often create more danger than they solve, as if you cycle in them then vehicles on the road are given the impression it is safe to pass giving less than 1.5m room is safe and acceptable, yet if you don't use the cycle lane then are often given grief from other road users. This is even worse on shared paths with many driveways crossing - the only safe place to cycle in that case is on the road, but unfortunately many car drivers do not agree.
Perhaps this reinforces the case for physically separate cycle infrastructure. Paint and even plastic bollards are clearly not sufficient.
I think, in clip 1 especially, the only way that could be safe is if the cycle lane was physically removed altogether, maybe to a different road. The road is too narrow for it to be safe for the lane, and I doubt the pavement has enough spare space to have an effective segregated lane. Putting the lane in has probably made that road more dangerous for all users.
@@mcdon2401 or vehicular traffic removed to a different road. Either way they need to be physically separate.
now, wearing my cyclist outfit, I will say that the first cyclist has massive balls. there's no way in hell I'd be where he is. NO WAY!
I was thinking he was a lunatic - also as a cyclist.
@@madisntit6547 You said it so I didn't have to. Besten Dank.
Soon to be pancake balls.
I cycle in London, and what this person did is how you die cycling in London. The drivers may have been wrong (the lorry driver seems to have no awareness of their surroundings), but what the cyclist did was reckless and put their own life in danger.
@@joshjgordon I couldn't agree more!
It is interesting to note in clip 2, everyone ignored the one road user who would have benefitted from a left signal by the van. The pedestrian approaching the junction. As the van did not signal left the pedestrian had priority, which the van driver took away from the pedestrian.
That ped would have priority across the junction whether the van had signalled or not, as per the HWC updates.
Also, quite interesting that it is a pavement level crossing across the entrance to a 20 mph traffic calmed zone, which did not have a signpost to warn left turners coming off the roundabout. And the ssawtooths on the hump are nearly worn away - needs repainting perhaps with elephants' feet adding, and reconsideration of the cycle lane / colour contrasts.
Good tight radius on the corner to slow turners down, and well placed but rather invisible bollards.
That junction also looks risky for Guide Dogs and Visually Impaired as the only indication is non-contrasting tactile paving.
It's kind of amusing that some people have blocked you on Twitter just because they don't want their shortcomings to be exposed. But, by uploading the content publicly, they're actually drawing attention to themselves and what they're trying to hide. The thing is, you don't even need a Twitter account to see it, it's all out there for anyone to view.
The common trend here is cycle lanes. I think it gives riders more of a my space feeling rather than a shared road experience.
Up north there are few of them and although maybe fewer commuters they are hated by cyclists. Mainly due to the road washing the rubbish into them and them not being in sensible places!
The size of these cycle lanes is appalling. There needs to be easily room for a large car to pass a cyclist with minimum passing distances (here in West Australia 1-1.5m depending on speed) for there to be separate lanes.
Having separate lanes indicates to road users that the road designers have assessed the dangers, and determined that there is room for two vehicles to travel side by side, but that's often not the case with bike lanes and there's nowhere near enough room.
Doesn't excuse these road users behaviour though.
The trouble is most of our roads in the uk were built (by that I mean the buildings either side) before the advent of motor vehicles.
Ashley is alawys willing to admit and show any errors of his own. Just like all excellent drivers. Unfortunately most people dont take criticism whatsoever and particularly from themselves. Those are the dangerous ones who never learn.
The Jeremy vine one is crazy. Whether there is a circle lane or not you do not undertake. Same can be said about the lorry incident.
Wow! CyclingMikey has lost a huge amount of my respect for blocking Ashley on Twitter. I really thought he was better than that despite not always agreeing with what he does. Given that he claims to do what he does in the name of road safety it's rather hypocritical to stick his fingers in his ears to another voice doing the same thing from a different perspective.
One thing I noticed on the Jeremy Vine clip is that as the van started the turn, Jeremy is completely in the Van's blind spot yet Jeremy seems completely unaware of this
today's head shaker clips ! Nice analyses....
clip #1 > mutual idiocy
clip #2 > not impressed with Vines' roadcraft & awareness and his social media vitue signalling, attention seeking behaviour. He deserves whatever happens to him if he rides with that attitude.
clip #3 > again mutual lack of awareness
The answer to Jeremy’s question is himself.
You give a fair analysis on either parties on the videos you post about.
A lot of people like to finger point but can't take criticism themselves,
As for that Jeremy Vine he seems to want an accident, if he's not careful he could have a life-changing injury.he likes to pull the dogs tail to get a reaction, when/if he gets bit he'll blame the dog.
Keep up with the informative videos!
That guy with the 5 year old is so petty, his son is probably wiser and more mature than he is.
I did notice a comment on your twitter from a friend of mine recently. I will say that he had a very serious collision with a car when he was waiting to turn right at a T-junction and a car came out of a T-junction and went over him smashing his pelvis. He required surgery at the side of the road from the London air ambulance and has endured a long road to recovery. I'm sure he would love to join you and me for a cycle ride in London. But then again I'm sure that all road users in Liverpool are not different to those in London. Really appreciate your analysis and 99% of the time I agree with you. As an insurance claim investigator I have learned a great deal from your site. As a person travelling by foot, bicycle, motorcycle and car I have learned to fix situations and not travel into them.
Greetings from Vancouver Canada. 3:05 am here but my body is still on UK time. Hope you are all doing well. Really means something to be seeing this from way over the other side of the world. 🇨🇦
Chilies grabbed 1st 2nd and 3rd today
Ah wicked 🙂 A place we have on our wishlist! Enjoy 👍🏻
I can't recall ever seeing that happen before! Quite creative!
Have a great day today in vancouver. Thought you would be acclimatised by now. Get some sleep 😴
I hope you have a wonderful time, Sugar. The magic of the World Wide Web, huh? 😀
As for that last clip. Always, always, always look BOTH ways (and always check), however safe you assume it is. Filtering vehicles, are often forgotten about. It builds a good habit and when you’re in a country with traffic driving on the other side you might look the wrong way but because you’ve trained yourself to look both ways you’ll check the correct way as well.
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@@noelward8047 tldr; ALWAYS look both ways when crossing the road.
@@oliverpolden I trust people so much, I look both ways stepping onto a pavement, never mind a road...
I have to say you have helped me so much, since I've been watching you, I for one think you do a great job. Keep up the great work
I find all of Ashley's Analysis videos to be fair, balanced and informative.
Regarding JV - forgetting everything else going on, is that situation covered by rule 268 (Do not overtake on the left) as it's clearly not congested?
Nobody is safe from Ashley's Analysis 💪
"Could you go any faster?"
"I'm a motorcyclist, it's my god given right to be able to filter at speed."
The first two videos in particular perfectly demonstrate why paint isn't real bicycle infrastructure, and we need safe *physically* separated cycle lanes/paths. Not defending the cyclist in the first video, but the reality is that the only people who will cycle in such a poorly designed bicycle gutter are people who have a very high risk tolerance so of course they're going to ride in a risky way.
I really shouldn't take such pleasure in seeing you 'take down' Jeremy Vine, but he opens himself up to it and you do it iso well. 🙂
It's everyone's responsibility to keep themselves and others safe but a lot just don't care until something happens. The last clip tho 🤣😂
I've been watching your videos for a while now and the one lesson that's dawned on me recently is that there's a great deal of emphasis by some drivers on their rights versus their responsibilities. Too many folks getting frustrated, angry (and by default, dangerous) because someone does something they're not supposed to do. I've been guilty of this for far too long and your videos are having the very necessary effect of reducing my frustration at clueless, selfish or just distracted road users who aren't or won't follow the rules of road. As someone else on here put... Better to be safe than right.
Thanks again for such calm and unbiased analysis, Ashley. Clip 1: Like most potentially dangerous scenarios on our roads (and those that develop into crashes), it usually takes both parties to be at fault for things to come to grief. In this instance, the cyclist seems to think that just because he has a cycle lane, he has every right to cycle into a dangerous situation and for everyone else to sort things out! He should definitely have slowed on approaching the van creeping out from the side road, and probably should have let it proceed before continuing. Later, having again caught up to the truck and the truck encroaching on the cycle way, the lorry driver should have known the cyclist was there and either continued if he/she could do so by staying out of any part of the cycleway but the cyclist also should have backed off and given the lorry space. It doesn’t matter who’s right or wrong, the cyclist is gambling with his life! As Ashley often says - make it a non issue.
Clip 2: It should be obvious by now that Jeremy Vine is out to make points - even at the cost of his own safety. The refuse truck approaching the roundabout was a non-issue. I agree with all points made by Ashley on the “body language” of the van but even if the van was going straight ahead and allowing the car to emerge from the side turning or not, it was suicidal to think that continuing on the near-side of the van was ok. I think Jeremy’s days could be numbered, either by a traffic crash or assault upon his person.
First clip: no in the world would I have undertaken that lorry - unless it came to a full stop.
Second clip: it's that Vine character, wasn't it? Nuff said.
Third clip: learner driver on the motorbike should not bomb through at 20, with all the cars standing still. He would not have been able to stop in time for ANYTHING, like an opening car door or crossing pedestrians.
Take care & stay safe 😉
It's one of my pet peeves, motorcyclists gunning down the centreline like that. It's not that I think they're getting ahead unfairly - it's that it's a bloody stupid and dangerous thing to do (as demonstrated in the clip).
I'm reminded of that joke about the motorcyclist who gets pulled over doing just that, and explains "but officer - on my licence it says 'tear along the dotted line'!" :)
For starters, JV is a DRAMA QUEEN of the highest. I remember him stating that swearing at recruits was harming them during basic training, like bullets would not on a battlefield, my point is he is known for exaggeration, drama out of nothing and this again proves the point.
There's one word that covers all of the traits you list. Journalist.
The overlay of Catherine Tate’s “Nan” also conveniently blocks the black car’s reaction to what just occurred
As I was watching that first video clip with the lorry, I thought "I wonder if this is Jeremy Vine". Absolutely suicidal riding. I didn't have to wait for long though!
Clip one. What did the yellow notice on the back of the trailer say?
Jeremy Vine was right about one thing, cycling with the attitude that someone will try to kill you today is not a bad way to think, (that's why I gave up cycling.) So long as you can think defensively and that cyclist wasn't thinking, just too pumped up with adrenaline and hell bent on making progress.
In clip 2 it looks like they put the picture overlay so you couldn't see a car emerging from the right - which Jeremy should have given way for.
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36 yrs ago had a similar bump with a pedestrian; not at a crossing point, dark, wet, and 25m after a busy right turn across traffic for me. Pedestrian didn’t look, I was still on a turn so limited in braking and evasion.
Pedestrian said to me, “You wanna look where you’re going” before shuffling off.
Live & learn, no one hurt, experiences like that & this one have made me more critical of My approach to near misses & collisions. It’s rare, on post event analysis, that I won’t find that I also contributed, & thus I Learn.
It seems a lot of cyclists have an "I move... for no man" attitude. As road users sometimes we just need to slow down and/or stop for hazards. In a car, you wouldn't go plowing through a lane at full speed with a car sticking out of a side street, or up the inside of a lorry on a narrow road, or up the back of someone who is stopped and ready to turn left. You hold back until it's safe.
The internet is full of motor vehicles doing all of those things, they often get featured on this channel. It just so much impatience for a few seconds.
As cyclists we must always be aware of danger points and learn from our mistakes. Not try to blame others or we will never learn. Junctions, HGVs, big roundabouts, cycling when tried/bonked, turning right, are all well known danger points to me. Do you have any danger points to add in the comments? We can all learn from each other. Always back off if a Lorry is behaving oddly. I was concerned one of the poles could have flown out and knocked the cyclist under the wheels of the lorry in an instant. That was high danger. Stop and get on the footpath. Not worth saving a few seconds because you are "in the right". Do you want, "he was in the right" written on your tombstone?
Bonking on a bike is not such a good idea! 🙂
@@hamshackleton I'd pay good money to see that!😁
@@hamshackleton haha, not sure if you know, it's a term used by cyclists for when the glycogen runs out. We need to keep eating regularly :P
Completely agree. The lorry driver was dangerous and had no awareness of their surroundings, but the cyclist was reckless and put their own life on the line. Undertaking unpredictable lorries is how you die cycling in London. In this case I would slow down until the lorry was away from the cycle lane or the barrier between us was more robust.
Wow, that first clip. What level of entitlement do you have to feel if you think you can take on an artic that you think is being driven badly IF YOU'RE ON A BIKE? I mean, holy cow. Every cyclist knows Paint doesn't Protect.
Jeremy Vine says he's never more than 60 m from a bad driver, but to be fair, he's never more than 60 µm from a bad cyclist.
Did I see that you're blocked by CyclingMikey?
Yep. Mikey is exactly the same
@@ashley_neal Shame on him. I fully endorse his attempts to reduce the number of idiots on the roads but no-one should be above being challenged.
@@PedroConejo1939 Have you tried to challenge Ashley? Good luck, his word is gospel remember
The cyclist in the first clip wasn't trying to admonish the drivers, I think they were trying to highlight just how insanely dangerous that cycle lane is.
Vine was admonishing the drivers, but actually should have directed his ire at the cycling infrastructure. As for the roundabout, Vine was wrong, bin lorry got there first, Vine shouldn't have barged on through.
@@matr1724 If I feel that any of the analysis is incorrect, I say so and have never had a problem, to be honest. Usually it's just a matter of degree anyway rather than being diametrically opposed. Reasonable people can usually achieve a meeting of minds and I've never found Ashley to be anything but reasonable. Sometimes, the way people respond depends very much on the tone of the challenge.
Why do some people wear their priority as plot armour? You can't get into an accident because you have the right of way?
Congratulations on your headstone it can read "But I had the right of way".
This goes for drivers as well as cyclists and pedestrians.
As for Jeremy Vine, fish eye lens you can't tell if they are an inch or mile away.
I also didn't see any brake lights either, that van might have an electrical fault the driver isn't aware of, they could have thought they indicated.
The van might not have used the flashing orange light, but they definitely did signal their intentions with their speed and position. Could spot that a mile off.
You will need to do alot more of your own cycling videos to show how it is done ,Ashley.
Perhaps he could get the help of some bike safety clubs or organisations to do a video with highlighting the risks in these clips too?
Hahaha they've really blocked you on Twitter... They clearly know that their riding could do with some improvement if they're blocking you lol
I can't imagine the cyclist in clip 1 will last long riding like that in south London. I used to cycle that route regularly and it's awful for drivers and pedestrians.
Another great analyse @ashlyneal. With regard to the first clip I would add that what cant be seen on the other side of the protruding van is of near equal danger to either the van or the HGV impeding the gap.
As for Jeremy Vine, had the van not turned left was he setting up passing the van on the nearside between the van and the car waiting to pull out from the left? Had he positioned himself appropriately it would been a non-event.
I'm in the Netherlands and cycling is an everyday thing for me, as it is for most people here. I don't think this channel is particularly anti-cycling. It just shows the reality of things as they are, and trying to keep everyone safe when it's the *infrastructure* that's anti-cycling. Honestly I'm shocked at some of the things done by both cars AND bikes in some of these videos. Squeezing through between the van and the truck seemed really crazy and I never would have done that. But I wouldn't have been afraid to pass the truck, until I saw it swerving into the bike lane and knocking over the poles. At that point I'd realise the driver's crazy and hold back.
I disagree that the cyclist made the situation unsafe by being on the left of the truck. The truck had an obstruction in their lane, should have been aware of the cyclist and stopped, rather than going into the bike lane. When you change lanes you always yield to traffic in the other lane, and a bike lane isn't any different.
No one does analysis of clips better than you Ashley
You are a 🌟.
Clip one. As a cyclist slow down. I think I'd leave the cycle lane and take primary behind the HGV while I passed the truck. Also, don't go barrelling up the inside while filtering. I learnt that lesson over 40 yrs ago cycling to school when I ended on someones bonnet (no damage done to rider or bike).
Clip two. Again don't blindly ride up the inside of what is clearly an indecisive vehicle - just get to work 30 seconds later.
Clip three. Ouch, I hope the lady is OK and the rider didn't leave her.
These videos prove one thing, better to hold back and concede the right of way, than have an accident. I’ve driven hgv for both ups, and Royal Mail, and this mantra is drilled into us, I also used to be a cpc instructor for manpower, and again hold back, wait ,observe, act was a big part of that.
Great analysis. The esteemed 'Pudsey Pedaller' is going to totally flip his lid at this video 😁
Clip 1 - insane
Clip 2 - spot on about learning the 'driver body language'. With enough practice you can see the future.
With my cyclist “hat” on I totally agree with Ashley’s analysis.
In clip one, I would assume that the lorry couldn’t see me and hold back accordingly.
Clip two, it’s Jeremy Vine, enough said!
In the situation in clip three, I wouldn’t feel safe riding between the two lanes of traffic, there are too many potential hazards, and would probably get off and walk down the pavement until I had reached a clear area to rejoin the road.
Dude your analysis was above average, that bollard was a good spot on the first clip. Good to see many organ donors being lined up for the future. One thing I have come to notice is that cyclists tend not to slow down, wow in my old SUV I slow down, stop and wait because I cannot afford to replace my car! Good vid.
I’ve been a keen cyclist for 64 years, and I do see lots of bad driving out there. But I look out for myself; I don’t go charging into situations that I can clearly see developing against me. All it takes normally, is to stop pedalling for a couple of seconds, and that allows the situation to become clearer - is that van about to turn left without signalling - is the lorry pinching the cycle lane. Sometimes cyclists are their own worst enemy.
The first clip stuns me. As a simple cyclist and truck driver. How can you be so stubborn and ignorant putting yourself into a position that can end your life before you can even react. I agree that the driver should've seen and reacted to the cyclist, but I know from experience how difficult busy city streets can be. You can't see everything because there is so much to pay attention to. Much thanks to those road planners too...
Spot on analysis. A much needed antidote to Jeremy Vine's ongoing crusade. His theatrics of course appeal to exactly the audience he wants to attract.
As someone who has driven coming on fifty years this is the channel I view for safety,revision and education update.
First clip, I would have slowed down and gone behind the van, though I'd have probably been annoyed about it. The lorry though is the one at fault in the following thing, they even wipe out a cycle lane wand.
Did anyone else notice the van driver failed to give way to a pedestrian waiting to cross the road into which they turned?
@6:24: *Even if* the van didn't turn left, *there's still not enough safe room to pass with the car nosed into the intersection*. I'm a dedicated cyclists, old-school I guess, I follow all applicable traffic rules...and my *sixth sense*...and my sixth-sense says I'd get killed cycling the way many of the 'gung-ho' cyclists do. Not only are the 'gung-hos' a danger to themselves, they're incredibly eager to cuss at motorists, but most of them are a hazard to other safer cyclists.
As a cyclist and driver I like Ashley's fair takes on these incidents and think Jeremy Vines videos don't do anything to help the situation.
That first one made me wince. To be fair to the truck driver, the road is really too narrow for that cycle lane to be there at all if the bollards are going to be in the middle there. The flexible bollards guarding it aren't going to stop an Artic. They'd barely stop a family hatchback, to be honest.
The cyclist seems to be one of those people who'll end up in A&E plaintively telling anyone who'll listen that it wasn't their fault and they had "right of way". Which might be true, won't shorten their hospital stay one femtosecond.
Jeremy just put up another shocker where he's wedged himself between a van and a motorbike, the van turns left and he was completely invisible to a cabbie that pulled out in front of the turning van, if he was riding appropriately he would have been behind the van and in a much safer position. I cycle to work every day, I don't own a car, I cycle defensively but confidently, taking lanes where appropriate, signalling clearly and in advance and making life easier for drivers where possible. For instance cycling home late last night from work at a roundabout a bus was approaching from my right (it's a national speed limit A road) followed by other vehicles (trucks and cars), I knew buses always have a queue behind them so I just waited for them all to pass as there were no cars waiting behind me at this time of night. The bus gave me a nice friendly flash, everyone was happy and I had a nice leisurely downhill without them all having to overtake. No drama. I make mistakes sometimes but I normally realise and try to learn from them.
I would love to ask Jeremy if, as the highway code demands a safe gap for cyclists of 1.5 metres, why on earth do you think its good idea to force yourself into a much narrower gap, from behind? ( You can ask exactly the same question of the first cyclist.) I know Jeremy like to think of himself as a road safety expert, but the reality is he is fast turning into just another driver bater. As for the last clip, it doesn't matter what you drive, ride or whatever. Your speed is principally governed by your ability to safely deal with anything you are likely to encounter. The cyclists total lack of situational awareness meant that he should basically get off and push.
That's a moped.
The analysis would be the same for anyone going too fast who could not stop in time, however.
Would be imo the drivers responsibility, with contributory negligence from the lady. I hope I can get back up that easily at that age.
The cyclist in that first clip surely had a death wish. The van which emerging across the cycling lane was visible from a long distance away. Yes, it's annoying to lose all that hard-won momentum when you don't have an engine to quickly restore it, but to squeeze through that very narrow gap at speed is insanely stupid. It's nearly as stupid to go down the inside of the hgv later given the narrowness of that road and the presence of the islands. In that case, the sensible thing would have been to back off and do any complaining, whether to the transport company, or the local council later.
I once had my own run-in with Jeremy Vine. In this case, he showed rather more concern over his own perceived rights than dealing with an obviously hazardous road situation. London roads are often somewhat chaotic, with lots of people trying to deal with often less than ideal road conditions. In this case, there was a vehicle that was part-emerging and a van just moved off. I would never have aimed to squeeze down the inside of that van. However, I would take issue with the road planners who painted that ridiculously narrow cycle lane. It is utterly pointless, and aven dangerous. In this case, it is much safer to allow cyclists to ride in the ordinary traffic lane rather than encouraging undertaking on a dangerously narrow cycle path on an approach to a junction and a roundabout. If 1.5 metres is required for safety when overtaking, then it seems to me that it's required for undertaking when traffic alongside is moving.
As for the motorcyclist, if you cannot stop in time for a pedestrian suddenly emerging from between stopped or parked traffic, you are travelling too fast. The pedestrian may have been unwise in not looking, even though the traffic was stopped, but she is not travelling at 20mph on a fairly heavy machine.