Ashley's Analysis | An Unsighted Emerge Causes a Near Miss
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2019
- In this Analysis episode we see a car emerging out of a junction without seeing everything. The 2 cars involved were lucky not to collide!
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Ashley, I'm also an ADI. This is your BEST ever video. The explanation is superb but your editing is even better. The overlay of the white car turning and the black car hidden is exceptional.
I am just now getting to watch this, and I totally agree with you about the editing.
Absolutely.
I watched it twice.
Loved the editing at 3:30.
Approaching junctions like this I'm always ready to stop if I fail to make eye contact with the person about to emerge. This is my number one tip that has kept me safe many times when out on my bicycle. Drive/ride as if you haven't been seen!
As a (motor)biker, I've made eye contact and yet they still pull out. There's a name for it when you're looking at the thing you want to avoid, and then hit it anyway? My number one tip is to be surprised if they don't pull out, not when they do...meaning, assume the worst and be aware of your positioning.
Target fixation
But if the car at the junction can't see you, that means you can't see the car either.
How do you know there's a car there if you can't see it.
@@hyperion8008 .
Had that look you in the eye then pull out in front of you a few times. I always put it down to the driver assuming cyclists were very slow so they had plenty of time.
Pulling out blindly might as well drive with your eyes closed!
I think they may of also seen the car in the distance before Ashley turned, and figured he had enough time before the other car arrived.
Not realising that guy was speeding.
@BadDriversOf Georgia barely slowed down and had no intention of stopping even if they had to
I think the problem is that the driver does not think he is pulling out blindly. He falsely assumes that there is no traffic coming because none can be seen.
keith6400 did you not watch the video? He pulled out while Ashley’s vehicle was blocking his view
@@scottlaaa Yes that's is what I am saying, looks left no cars looks right sees no cars other than Ashley's and falsely assumes there are no cars. Did he think Ashley's car would be blocking any potential cars coming from that direction. Also a completely unsafe procedure. This guy has got to have some bizarre way of thinking it is safe. Would you emerge pulling out to turn right under these circumstances? Someone might have overtaken Ashley as he turned off left. We see what happened in the video I am mystified as to why the errant driver does what he does.
"But you lift the clutch and the....... that was close"
"Yeah"
It's so so simple. grey Corsa, check your exit is clear. Silver Seat, drive within the speed limit.
20 limits are stupid though and the limit has nothing to do with it. They weren't driving with due care for the turning vehicle (Ashley's pupil), being prepared for them to possibly stop and the need for them to then stop as well. Doing the 40 mph or whatever on approach to them isn't the issue, it's the fact they didn't reduce that when risk increased that meant it was a nearer miss than it needed to be. That road on that day was wide open and empty apart from Ashley, so 40 mph is perfectly safe, but the activity at the junction required more caution, so for that they should have slowed down.
Same with national limit roads and motorways. Where risk increases, you slow down, where it reduces, you can, and to some extent should, speed up. Where visibility allows you can drive at 100+ mph safely, but then you slow down when you want to overtake someone as the overtake increases risk, a reason why I think motorcyclist and cyclists should be restricted with how fast they can filter through traffic. The risk is very high so the difference in speed should be minimal, but not so close that riders would be level pegging with other vehicles for longer than necessary.
Mark Wright say that when a child gets killed because your going over 20mph
@@Litesnip2022 survival of the fittest mate.
@@Litesnip2022No way could you tell that the limit was broken. More road collisions are caused by inappropriate speed than breaking the limit. Motorists are more likely to be distracted while driving slow. That road looked quite capable to 30mph especially with very little traffic as in this video. The Ford was 100% at fault.
@@Litesnip2022 You didn't read past the first sentence. If a child is hit outside a school at the start or end of the school day then the driver is at fault for not driving with due care and attention. There's a high risk of hazards appearing suddenly so everyone should be driving slow. For the rest of the time, if the road is wide and clear of traffic etc then you could drive past there well in excess of 20 mph and no one will get hurt.
I've had a child run out in front of me while I was exceeding 20 mph and, you'll find this surprising, I was able to stop in time, because I was still driving with due care and attention (still possible above 20 mph you know), and I was stationary before they'd crossed the white line into my lane. People don't just drop dead because someone is driving above a number painted on a sign, which is how your comment could be interpreted.
If you can't think about it and see that driving is about observing and driving accordingly, be that seeing hazards and slowing down or seeing an empty road with excellent visibility and making progress, but instead think if you drive slow below the limit you can't hurt anyone, then you shouldn't have a licence.
When I'm being very progressive on national limit roads, I know I will be gaining on someone, so am much more prepared to brake than when I'm driving a tractor which doesn't go above 25 mph.
If you cant see the tarmac, assume there is something there. Its like “innocent until PROVEN guilty”. The increased use of “privacy” glass in the back of cars is making it harder to see through them (and with vans etc its impossible without x-ray specs) but looking through vehicles is becoming a lost art - even if its blocked by another vehicle, you can often see through the glass to whats behind. Spot on about the Seat going too fast as well Ashley. Both of them were lucky as ... Put some rain down and that would’ve been a different outcome.
Too right it could have been a different outcome if it was raining.
I live in rural Australia, and the number of people who overtake when they can't see the road around a bend with dense trees is astounding.... Same rule applies when overtaking at high speed on country roads - if you can't see the road, assume its not clear.
Its scary to watch from behind as they approach the bend on the wrong side of the road. Its even scarier when you're the one coming around the bend!
@@tin2001 that's how it is up here in the Highlands of Scotland. Day before yesterday I got lucky as a red van overtook oncoming traffic and only just missed me! This was on a corner with fairly tall stone walls. Why is it things like that happen when you don't have your camera with you?
Oh man tell me about privacy glass. Worse is the builders' vans etc parked right up to the limit and often over it.
It don't know why, but "that was close!" and "wowsers" had me laughing really hard
When cycling I get this exact same problem at junctions. But it can also be the pillar that blocks the driver's view of me. If no cars behind I try to move out on my cycle when going past junctions. It gives a lot more room to avoid any car pulling out that has not seen me. Also, I try to look at the driver to see if he has seen me or if his face is behind the pillar. Drivers need to be aware of the pillar blind spot. Often as we move and the car moves towards the junction - it keeps the cycle perfectly obscured. Well done Ash for highlighting that we need to be extra careful at junctions. They are danger spots, alongside overtaking.
After a near miss with a cyclist a year or so ago - me having checked the road twice, he being hidden both times in different places, I now STOP much more often before emerging. That's probably bad form, but safer. It was a really bad junction though. I was so freaked out I went on Google Streetview to figure out what happened.
High quality video, thank you. Particularly impressed with the fade over a concealed vehicle. Great teaching points.
Fantastic editing in this one. This type of hazard is extremely dangerous and sadly one of the more common causes of accidents for motorcyclists in particular.
Another good reason to keep a good distance behind a turning vehicle, to make sure you are visible to people waiting to pull out and have time to stop if they do. As you said the car was speeding, but also going to fast for the amount of road they could see to be clear in front of them even if the limit had been higher. Problem is some people take that as the other person's fault 100% and keep doing it. Lack of horn suggests they knew they were being silly.
Don't know about lack of horn. Probably due to being preoccupied with avoiding a collision.
Great video! A lot of work on the editing, love the change of angles to show where things went wrong
We have a dreadful crossroad near us, country lanes with two 60Mph roads bisecting, one being give way. The verge is always overgrown and on the give way road if you look to the left you can rarely see due to the vegetation. To the right the road bends and is a blind summit. Seen loads of accidents there, had one myself, when looking left, right, then left again for a car to come flying round. managed to stop, but just nicked the other cars bumper - other driver was local and at a guess driving too quickly, but it was my fault. On the other side, you can see down the main road, so I waited and saw one van coming towards me, it indicated left and started to maneuver, so I crossed the junction. Heard a terrific squeal behind me to see a smart car doing an emergency stop - it was hidden behind the van and too close so I couldn't see it coming up the road. Lesson learned, very careful more than the normal caution at that junction - I am surprised highways haven't put a 40Mph speed limit and yellow rumble strips to slow vehicles down, made the give way a stop and cut back all the vegetation. Good lesson in the video and it was nice to see the cars drive off with no stopping and being silly shouting at each other..
Excellent analysis of a more common occurance than people realise. I liked the fading out of the turning vehicle to expose the approaching car at 3.30. very good.
I have to agree with other comments. Well edited video to explain what happened from all parties involved. Also the comment concerning more vulnerable road users like bikes or motorbikes is absolutely correct, a good friend of mine who sadly passed away a few years ago when a elderly driver pulled out of a side road like this and his bike hit her car. He died at the scene. She admitted she pulled out and handed back her licence. She is a lovely lady and knew the family of the rider who passed away , it was a error / accident but led to so much heartache.
Fantastic editing and explanation, absolutely love these videos
Yet again what a fantastic learning point to take on board i am sure the Seat driver may have offered the Corsa driver some 'visual feedback' on their junction approach and emerge style after executing a perfect emergency stop!!
Another tip (aside from not speeding) to cars in the Seat's position is to position yourself closer to the centre of the road so that emerging vehicles have a better chance of seeing you earlier. Similar on blind bends; position closer to the nearside on right hand bends and closer to the offside on left hand bends. It maximises the time oncoming vehicles have to spot and react to you.
Distance from the exit of Haltine Close to the lamppost at junction with Warren Road = 230 m
Time taken to cover distance 16 seconds (I waited for them to straighten out on the main road before starting timing)
3600 / 16 = 225
225 x 230 = 51750 m = 51.75 km/h = 32 mph
Note that’s probably an under estimate of the final speed as they would haven been travelling slower after just pulling out.
That's an average also! Wowsers ;)
@@@ashley_neal: Indeed.
Actual time needed to cover 230 metres at 20 mph = 25.73 seconds
Even if my estimate of 16 seconds from the CZcams video is out by a little, it's not off by over 9 seconds!
And as you say an average - they are not going full speed when they pull out, so must be going faster at some point.
It works the other way too.
A couple of weeks ago I was at a junction attempting to egress (minor to major) when a car came speeding around and nearly hit me.
There was a commercial vehicle parked on the bend of the junction (common here in Kent) and neither I nor the incomming car could see around it. Fortunately I had positioned myself as if pulling out to the left, so I could see both ways and this left space for the incoming vehicle to brake-turn into.
Great video and superb editing!
I was taught something that is always in my mind. There are two possibilities - you can go when you can not see anybody coming or you can go when you can see nobody coming. !!!Always choose the second option!!!
But yeah Seat played himself into the situation too.
Great analysis episode this ash. To many people just arn't concentrating on their driving, even more so as we see here at junctions. a few years ago you had the visibility of being able to see through older cars when emerging out at a junction as most cars then had clear glass, look at nearly every new or modern car now its much bigger in size, Every other car now is a land rover or 4x4 & they have really blacked out privacy glass so its much more difficult to see whats behind a car turning..so many people are in a rush..calm down & slowly does it behind the wheel. again excellent talking point...
I never thought that would be a definition of "assume" at 1:59! 😂 I like that!
Maybe riding motorcycles for 15 years makes me more conscious of the damage I could do to someone with my car, but I find the examples in this clip are absolutely mind blowing. Engage your brain and open your fucking eyes!
Great editing. This could be a literal eye opener to some learners.
Great video once again!
Yet another great video, thankyou!
Almost covers, but not quite, a subject I requested a little while ago - cars "nosing-out" from a minor to a major road. On a few occasions I've been on a major road and come across a car that has already emerged from the left and stopped broadside in the major road, blocking my lane while they are trying to turn right.
Flip side of the coin: sometimes you have to nose out when turning right, because of all the illegally parked cars in the more major road; cars parked on double-yellow lines, cars parked *way* to close to the junction.
Thanks for this Ashley! I was turning left into a road today and noticed a jogger wasn’t checking to her right before crossing the road I was about to turn into, so I slowed down enough to stop and sure enough she didn’t notice me until she was 1/3 on the road and she got spooked and jumped and ran back the way she came!
Thanks to your channel I feel I’m more of a better driver, more considerate and more aware. You never stop learning after your test, the real learning begins then.
WOWSERS! :D Love it!
Great video Ashley. This one catches out filtering motorcycles all the time. Similar to where a 'Christian motorist' will flash another vehicle out of a junction without checking to see if a motorcyclist is filtering in his wing mirror first. Motorcyclists are taught about this now, but its the middle aged guys who buy a bike after years of not riding who get caught out through lack of experience.
That editing .. brilliant
*Excellent* editing!
Excellent editing.
If that was me on my tiny motorbike bike, I'd have been in trouble there. Great video, yet again.
The blind spot caused by window pillars is particularly insidious because you don't always realise it is there. If you can't see something your brain tends to regard it as not being there. My car has particularly thick angled pillars and I've had a couple of close shaves, so now have got into the habit of bobbing my head backwards and forwards and from side to side when emerging from a junction because cyclists, in particular, can easily vanish in the blind spot.
That Seat was doing at least twice the speed limit, but the Corsa definitely was at fault here. If I was the Seat, I would've slowed down a bit at this junction so that I could be more ready to stop if someone pulled out. Great advice!
This is why all 30 limits are becoming 20's simply because doing 40 is doing double the posted speed limit nothing to do with safety. If they enforced 30 instead of lowering it you'll see far less accidents
I can't argue with that. 20 mph speed limit should be enforce around schools and small residential streets. There will always be people who go well over it. If I'm being honest, I would've driven around 30 down this road, but I would've slowed to 20-25 for this side street.
@@Dominate955 If only the council would understand this bloody annoying driving down a wide ass road that used to be 30 to find out the limit has been lowered to 20 is plenty. Most of the time you get overtaken at 30 anyway by an Audi doing 50 then you catch them up 3 minutes down the road at the next set of lights anyway.
Great video, thanks! I hate turning right at T-junctions! If I can choose a route only turning left I will, lol.
Ollie B
Is your route always back to your start point.
@@Robert-cu9bm hah! No.. I mean that I don't mind to turn right, if I'm turning in to a side road or from a roundabout, but T-junctions, waiting and crossing both lanes I will try to avoid. Round here particularly there's one spot you could be there for ages, and it's a 50mph limit, bit dicey! So I use a side road and turn left where is easier ☺️
"When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me". My physics teacher used to say that back in the 70s. I still use it to this day!
Wowzas!! Ace video
That rooftop camera is awesome!
great editing
I think the lesson to take from this one is that old addage "expect the unexpected," or just simply "keep your wits about you," and all your bases covered.
Surely this isn't too much to ask. In fact it's the obligation of anyone who gets behind the wheel.
like your point about motorcyclists
I think the moral of the story should also be to stop driving on autopilot. Had the Corsa taken note of the fact that the junction was blind, he may have been more cautious when emerging and if the Seat had been more mindful of the speed limit, he may have been more obvious to the Corsa.
“That was close!”
“Yeh”
great reactions by the silver car
Loads of times I have been following cars, they turn of left or right, yet in my case, the car or cars waiting to turn across your path, know/see you are behind the turning car and pull directly into your path, because they cannot wait, luckily at one particular junction on way to work, I'm always prepared for it, as it is a regular occurrence.
A similar thing happened to me a few months back when a car wasn't blocking the driver's view of the junction! Someone appeared not to look, pulled out and I had to brake fairly hard - luckily I came to a stop about a couple of feet in front of him.
I had an incident today where a white Fiesta coming with it's left indicator on didn't actually turn where I assumed it would. I was in the junction of a cross roads which would have been on their right as they approached, and I assumed on this one occasion that they were turning into the road opposite me. This wasn't the case. I pulled out after a car that was 25-30 metres ahead and started to accelerate up to speed and when I looked in my mirrors once up to speed they were right behind me, still indicating, only by now they were gesticulating as well, as I assume I slowed them down briefly.
It's always that one time you assume the other car will do what it's indicating that they don't. I usually wait until they commit to turning before committing myself, but I got frustrated with missing a space in front of a Rover 2 cars ahead of them (they were going a lot slower than I first thought, but realised too late) and someone, still not quite sure who but I think it was the car behind me, blared their horn (don't know why) as the car in front of the Fiesta passed.
Just because a car indicates, you should NEVER pull out. When you indicate, it's not for the vehicle infront.... it's for the vehicles behind that you will be braking soon and anybody around you that you *MAY* turn.
@@bigkification Indicators are for everyone, front, side and rear, otherwise there wouldn't be any on the front or side of vehicles.
Also, correct use of your indicators is only using them when you are going to turn, change lanes, park or whatever and they should be used as early as possible but not so early that you cause confusion, (ie, indicating left for pulling over to park but starting to indicate before passing a junction on your left), when there is someone around who would benefit from an indication of where you're going. That could be a car behind you or it could be a pedestrian waiting to cross.
Of course you don't commit before being certain that they're committing to what they're indicating. Like I said, I only did it this one time because of frustration of missing the gap in front of the Rover, which was going slow enough for a good few cars to pull out.
Ashley @2.26 you could have moved at least another 6ft before you stopped.
Great reaction from that Seat driver
Poor anticipation though.
Stephen Blundell
Yeah he was going too quick
And the car that pulls out ALWAYS stops or goes really slow.
Panic response. Nobody naturally speeds up in response to danger. Takes special training to pull that off.
@@Asdayasman yes just a natural reaction I guess. Too busy looking at the car coming towards them to be able to think.
YorkshireD
You have to make a judgement call on which way the oncoming cast will go.
If they break right, you are accelerating into them.
Surely this demonstrates WHY there is generally the rule of give way to the right - because any collision would likely be a big lump of metal onto the rather thin driver's door!
@@Robert-cu9bm yeah that's fine if they stop after just pulling out a couple of feet, then the car has got a chance to swerve right. This car in the vid has seriously committed themselves and was in the middle of the rd when they slowed down. When you've committed yourself like that the best thing to do I guess would be to try and get out of the way sharpish. Whilst quietly saying... Shit,shit,shit,shit. 😆
"Pretty obviously the corsa emerged with seeing the car approaching" or rather as I see it. ""Pretty obviously the corsa emerged without looking for the car approaching". See all the time, for some reason people exiting junctions like that always look left last, when they really need to make sure its clear to their right as, as in your clip, that's where the immediate danger comes from.
Merci beaucoup, très utile videoclip.
Tu es plus que bienvenue :)
Nice reactions from the Seat. I'd imagine loads of incompetent people to panic and probably cause a crash.
I think it's people thinking "I can't see a car, therefore, there's no car". What people need to realize is that there is a major difference between "I can't see a car" and "I can see that there are no cars"
I always think as soon as you're above the limit you're at fault by default. Nevertheless I don't know what to Corsa driver was thinking though if you can't see what is coming why just assume you're good to go.
This is almost EXACTLY how I failed my first test. I (as the Corsa) emerged on to a main road where a speeding car was obscured by the one in front turning in. That was a lesson learned the hard way!
However, I now find myself being overly cautious when emerging, especially on fast moving roads with heavy traffic. Do you have any recommendations on how to handle this?
Cheers! As with many others, your videos helped me finally pass my test.
Someone in the comments said about if you can't see, don't go. I can't add anything more to that. Thanks, Ashley.
Another scenario I have had a few times is when you are turning towards a car that is giving way at an intersection where the driver of the other vehicle thinks you have left the scene. While still focusing on traffic coming from their left while turning right they will pull out and drive straight into you. A friendly beep to tell the other driver that I am still there has saved me everytime
Yes this happens a lot. Another reason why when waiting to turn right at a give way line your last look before moving forwards should be to the right!
It certainly does happen a lot. On my bike, I once had a woman drive out of a carpark straight into me.
I can only think that when approaching the road without stopping, she looked to her left and saw nothing coming, looked to her right, which would have been looking behind me and then continued to pull out without first looking in front of her.
Folks who 'ride the clutch' at junctions can be an issue as well. I was on my bike last week, riding along and I saw this car rocking backwards and forwards at a junction wanting to turn right. As I was approaching he was looking the other way and I had a bad feeling so I slowed right down, just has he moved forward over the junction markings just touching my front wheel. No harm done, but I thought I was fortunate.
Kudos to the silver seat for not slamming the horn before the brake pedal.
You're aware the horn is operated by a different limb than the foot brake, right?
@@tin2001 indeed, many drivers however don't, nor do they know what the purpose of the horn is.
Obviously doesn't have a dashcam, doesn't make good footage otherwise.
All the way through that video I was worrying about if that had happened to a motorbike. What people seem to do a lot of now is only look at the vehicle that is right in front of them rather than looking for what is following it.
What camera are you using at 2:25? Does it have a 360 degree FOV or are you able to rotate it remotely?
Insta 360 one 👍
WOWZERZ
At my place , there is a stop sign . So its compulsory to stop to ZERO before emerging . Well not many practice once they passed
This video made me feel scared! That was a really close call but luckily nothing too major happened. I approach junctions where I can't see in 1st gear and if I can't see I 'peep and creep'. I got my driving test next week and I am confident about it, but I feel slightly nervous? Anyone got any advice?
Another good reason to have a more sporty car. Breaks are amazing. So even if some douch pulls out you can stop easy.
Has happend a few time to me exactly like the corsa/seat scenario.
I have a dachcam and its full of idiots.
A few more seconds of waiting by the Corsa would have avoided the near miss. People are just so impatient nowadays. Poor driving by the Corsa driver who risked a bad accident and a huge headache with insurance and an increased premium all because he just couldn't wait a second or two more. 🤨
Agree.
But not entirely sure how this would have ended up in the case of an accident and Ashley's video being made available to both parties.
While I agree the emerging Corsa driver would normally be regarded as 100% at fault, from the video the approaching Seat driver can be shown to be doing at least 30mph in a 20 zone by my calculations.
I can see the Corsa's insurers arguing this was at least a contributory factor in any resulting accident. Of course the Seat's insurers are going to site the pulling out without looking side of things.
Please note that I am in no way attempting to say the Corsa driver was NOT reckless in pulling out without stopping and looking properly. Of course they were.
@@stuartmcconnachie Imagine no footage of this incident and the insurance look at the facts.....Corsa pulls out from a side road onto a main road where another car is coming along and a collision occurs. The Corsa driver would be at fault without question. A few seconds to wait for the turning vehicle to move and they would see the oncoming car but no they can't wait for two seconds so risk all the headache that would be the result of their impatience and stupidity.
On my push bike I came to a junction and the guy who lives next door flew our without even looking and knocked me down! In open junctions where you can see the lesson there is to ensure you make eye contact with the driver. If you don't expect stop or be taken out while cycling.
There need to be far more Stop lines in the world
That won't help, if people don't give way, they 'aint stoppin either. Put too many down and they become even less acknowledged, so reduce safety. What the world needs is more thought going on inside those skulls.
@@andyowens5494 Exactly correct. I live in Ireland and Stop signs are massively over used and as a result nobody complies with them. When I explain to my pupils that they must stop fully before edging forward to improve view I'm always conscious of being rear ended. Driver education. Stop signs are the bain of my life.
I had a close one today at a roundabout, I slowed right down because can't see clear view from right but it was clear to carry on to turn right, as I was doing this a car appeared from the right may have been a missile the speed it was doing certainly wasn't a safe speed for junction . Luckily I was not speeding and stopped in time .
Just wish people would have some patience when driving near junctions .
Loads of junctions exactly like this in the southside of Glasgow (funnily enough in an area popular with driving instructors). I think the quiet, relatively wide roads with just trees and houses totally throw off some people's perception of their speed. And some people just like to speed in such streets.
I sometimes think junctions like this should have lights.
Easy, don't pull out right in front of a car turning in left. The accident I saw involved the car behind the left turning car, overtaking and hitting the car pulling out, on the wrong side of the road, the overtaking manoeuvre hid him from the car turning out til the last moment.
Also don't be too ready to pull out to overtake the car turning off in front of you...
Even if the car wasn’t turning, the Corsa may not seen the Seat approaching given it was doing way beyond the 20mph speed limit and would have appeared from nowhere. If you look to your right, then left and road is clear you you have look again because of closing speed of that speeding vehicle. At least the road was straight. You wonder whether Seat owner drives that normally and relies on brakes/ABS to compensate for their really poor driving.
I've got a driving lesson next Saturday. I had an incident where someone didnt indicate at a roundabout misleading me into moving off as I thought he was going straight on
While I generally agree with a lot of your comments, for this one I think I’m going to have to disagree.
I’m not sure if the point of this was the blame the seat driver or not but it certainly looks that way.
Yes he was going above the speed limit most likely around 35+, which is a contributing factor, the car pulling out of the junction as you said assumed, in the eyes of the insurers, the car pulling out would be 100% at fault.
Speed is a killer and this situation wouldn’t have happened if the seat was doing the speed limit. But the other car pulling out, how many times has this happened to them? I’d bet a few, their lack of awareness is awful! They didn’t even attempt to get out of the way of danger once they saw the vehicle, intact they stayed in the path of it. I just think it was shoddy driving all round.
the white car drove considerable speeding. and the black car could not wait to see the intersection area properly.
jambomambo
He may of seen him in the distance and judge that it's a 20 zone so has lots of time, but in the time the car was hidden that distance had been decrease massively.
While i agree that you should always check very carefully that the road is clear drivers on the road you are attempting to join have a role to play as well. At certain jct you cant see around the corner without being half in the road and no matter how slowly you creep out its just not possible to see, especially with the design of modern cars with thick A pillars that are well forward and sweep into the roof line. If there is a car trying to emerge and all i can see is the bonnet and wheels then there is no way the driver can see me, even if they are doing their best to check for traffic. In these cases i very often let them out, or at the very least get ready to stop in a hurry. The same should apply here. If i cant see the jct i cant see that it is clear and so cannot be sure no one will throw themselves out. Again, its best to be ready to stop. Unfortunately i dont think everyone shares this approach and i am sure many accidents are caused as a result. Excess speed, as in this case, also will not help matters at all.
Whilst the car emerging is at fault and the driver of the Seat avoided an accident the speed of the Seat would really concern me as well as you have pointed out, had the Seat stuck to the speed limit there would have been a much greater distance between them and the Corsa.
and much less chance of a near miss or even a crash.
If you can't see you can't drive. That should be a rule for driving. Blind people don't drive for a reason so don't drive if you're effectively blind in that direction because there is a temporary obstacle
and that obstacle i.e. the car turning into the road does NOT shield you.
Nice idea, but have you ever come to a junction where you simply can't see much in one (or both!) directions due to a bend, crest, or similar? Creeping out helps where the obstruction is something like a parked vehicle, not so much when it's a blind bend.
I remember my driving Instructor giving me this tip when on a obstructed or stop junction. Wind your window down and listen for any traffic that might be coming (can't a cyclist use their bell when coming up to such junctions? Yeah it won't do much good but it's better than nothing).
The black car in the first clip is at fault for failing to drive with due car and attention and the silver car for speeding in a 20mph zone (was it 20mph you said in the clip?).
Yes, both drivers were at fault. Thankfully the Insurance companies didn't need to be involved.
As for your comment asking for the cyclists to sound their horn or bell, this is suggested in the highway code but I suspect would soon be frowned upon it everyone was doing it.
Section 66: www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/changes-and-answers/highway-code-for-cyclists
@@ScubaGirl68 true, but it's better than the possible alternative. Personally if I was a cyclist I'd use my bell when coming across junctions and if the general public doesn't like it then that's their problem. Since passing my test I've become more and more aware of just how vulnerable certain road users are and I'd sooner deal with an angry member of the public than be across the road wondering why my left leg is at my face.
(Sorry for the rather dark nature of my reply but that is how feel about it).
I am a driver and cyclist. A bell is going to do NOTHING to warn any car user.
@@bigkification an airhorn should be useful.
Of course people shouldn't rely on any noise device. It is perfectly legal for someone who is deaf to have a full driving license.
Nice if you have some front end damage that needs fixing, the car needs a good valet and you could do with a couple of grand for a holiday.
Similar thing happened near me a few days ago.
Except the silver car was instead a red car that was racing with another car (which drove away from the scene), and the learner driver was instead a parked car / junction with limited view.
Sadly the car that was racing didn't stop in time. Driver and passenger of the other car (same position as the Vauxhall in this clip) were hospitalised. Guy racing the car received minor injuries and no arrest despite police on the scene seeing CCTV footage of him racing. :/
Here's a Twitter thread on the incident: twitter.com/0x16161D/status/1170612779465760769
I haven't gotten around to uploading the pictures and videos onto here yet.
Ashley, you're welcome to use the CCTV footage and images in a video if you so wished. Not sure if it qualifies for an Ashley's Analysis video.
The Seat should’ve stuck to the 20mph limit, no doubt. I will say though that there are too many 20mph zones in my opinion. 30mph is fine for a residential area and 20mph zones should really only be needed if there is a school on the road.
Sometimes I pull out when one of the cars is turning because it can give a safe opportunity to pull out into heavy traffic. But I would never do so in a junction like this, where you can't see who is approaching from behind the turning vehicle, otherwise I would make an ass of u and me haha.
@4..58 when you ask ,what can we take from this video . I'd say There licence untill they learn to driver safely and by the rules .
The red toyota aygo driver has got himself a vauxhall corsa.
Which video is this referring to? I'm sure I remember it...
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More and more I keep seeing people are not emerging safely. They look to the left at the direction they want to travel in and if it’s clear they come out. Rather than looking to what is happening in the lane that they are going to emerge in first they just pull out.
Were both roads 20mph limits ?? Looks like they were .
Two sides to the story here. I thought it was solely the Corsa's fault but after seeing the speed of the Seat, it also had a part to play. The Corsa driver may well have had more time to pull out otherwise but it was still pretty poor observation on their part.
Hello ,very good video but this is missing a few vital points.It needs to be linked to the higher levels of the GOALS FOR DRIVER
EDUCATION.Levels 3 and 4 .The journey and the person.Are any of the drivers under the influence of drugs/Alcohol/Tiredness
Time pressures.Both of those drivers played a part in that incident.To simplistic just to talk about Observations.
The Seat driver for sure was breaking the speed limit, and that's inexcusable, but holy shit did they own it with that perfect stop. They might have been breaking the law, but they weren't exceeding their own skill.
Good job his car had ABS - could have been a different outcome if it hadn't.
@@phillwainewright4221 How lucky it was that his car wasn't made _literally over 15 years ago_ when ABS wasn't mandatory. /s
@@Asdayasman ABS isn't mandatory - you can still buy a new car without it. In some cases it's an optional extra.
To be fair, even though it looks like hes speeding (which im not saying hes not) it would definitely look like he is just because you were slowing and his speed stayed the same.
I would have waited until I could have seen before moving out because it's better to slow down traffic behind you then taking that risk
Not sure if this is the right word but "pedestrian walks", oh how i dislike'em so much. There are literally cars parked infront and behind them 1m away or on the sidewalk. If im driving 30km/h and i don't see the pedestrian in time that will be an accident and every time i see cars parked like i go slowly so to be able to see the people walking in and out.. and every time i go slow on those walks im stalling the road and people are getting angry at me. I just can't help it, but if my block is blocked like this junnction i tend to slow down until i pass it... and then i accelerate.
Great video. Six of one and half a dozen of another. 50/50, both drivers need a course of refresher lessons.
Both drivers are to blame in my opinion. The black Corsa should have stopped at the give way line and the Seat.....well, those blind bends are the reason for 20mph limits.
But those junctions are the reason I hate cars with poor visibility. I once rented a Toyota CHR for a holiday in Scotland and the rear visibility was so bad, I once had to rely on my passenger to see around it's massive blind spots when at a T-junction with a sharp angle and a blind corner due to a brick wall. Sure, it had proximity sensors and a parking camera, but it's not a substitute for good old fashioned visibility. While technology can be very helpful, It shouldn't be used as a crutch.
You say don’t assume but I always assume they’ll pull out on me and three times they have and I’ve had to brake even though they’ve seen me and pulled out when I’ve got close