AMD 7000 Series Details! - If you aren't excited, you should be!
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- Here are all the juicy details on AMDs new 7000 series Processors!
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I found the boost cores exceeding 5ghz at such low wattage to be the most interesting thing. Glad AMD was able to maintain efficiency and not go back toward the bulldozer, space heater days.
Nah, Intel felt the Bulldozer method was PERFECT for the 12900K. 🤣👍
proof that the classic x86 compatible PC architecture still has life in it. We're not nearly to the point where we're stuck piling on the power to keep up. Nonmodular proprietary SOC systems can suck our collective, ahem, flashdrives.
Bulldozer was with the last CEO over 10 years ago. AMD has no reason to go back to that BS
Increasing TDP over intel designed tdp along consuming the same amount of power as raptor lake, i really doubt AMD is maintaining efficieny
@@ishiddddd4783 seems to be
Man when I built my first rig 10 years ago, you couldn't pay me to use AMD. Now it's a no brainer... Amazing to see such a turn around
I been with AMD since day one son;)
I went with Phenom II back in 2011 or so bc it looked like the best bang for the buck, unfortunately I had a terrible Nvidia graphics card so I couldn't fully utilize the system
I built an AMD rig about 10 years ago. I knew it wouldn't be as good as Intel but AMD was projected to go bankrupt so a few of us felt like we needed to make that sacrifice. Now I'm very pleased I did because AMD had just enough money to rise from the ashes and the CPU industry is fun again. They were very dark days when Intel stopped innovating due to a lack of competition.
Young whipper snappers in here :o) I go back about 22 years with pc. When AMD dropped the A64 they destroyed intel in gaming. Took intel a few years to finally come out with the Core 2 duo and caught back up. It has been back and forth for years as far as gaming goes. Whatever is king at time of build is what I go with lol. Currently sitting with a 5950 @ 4.6Ghz across all cores.
@@jbourgeois5092 Athlon 64 FX-60 get off my lawn
That's great that AMD has once again confirmed their intention of keeping a new AM5 Socket across different CPU generations and architectures! Bravo!
Only time I had a chance to use an AMD PC was way back in 2003... an Athlon XP with 256 MB of RAM
Should i buy a core i3 12100 or i5 12400 or should i wait for this is there any budget option????
@@amirhb7531 lol.intel sucks. Go for Ryzen 5 5600g.. a budget gaming APU. You don't even need a discrete GPU if you are on a tight budget, its integrated gpu is great.Just pair it with 3200mhz of ram.
Let's just hope the community won't have to "fight" on social media for the extended support
@@Test-yl6jp Why is AMD called Advanced Micro Devices? Because we got Adreno GPU in our phones...
3:50 The jump from 105W to 170W is not because of the 5.7 boost, it is because the 7900 and 7950 have two CCDs (Core Complex Die). The 7900 and the 7950 are pairings of the 7600 and 7700 respectively. The 7600 has 1x6 core die and the 7700 has 1x8 core die, the 7900 has 2x6 core dies and the 7950 has 2x8 core dies.
Your statement is massively correct and appreciated, I just saw the point now, including the cache correlation which is so perfect
He's comparing the 7950X to the previous generation 5950X. The 5950X also had 2 core dies and had a 105W TDP. Jay is probably right that the increase in clock speed is the reason.
Can anyone elaborate a little on the actual difference in "performance" of having your cores on a single or on dual Dies ? Thanks
@@anjayl Core to core latency. It matters in mt apps which threads, or partnering apps and libraries which, have to share data. If they all fit on the same CCX and the OS' CPU scheduler keeps them there the app won't be affected.
@@uncrunch398 Thanks, so, single die is better if I understand correctly ?
The thing I've liked about AMD the past few years is that while they're improving performance, in comparison to NVIDIA and Intel they're seeming to be putting more focus on still being more efficient. Seems like the other two are now just throwing efficiency out the window and going for raw power
AMDs goal of 50% perf per watt improvement every gen is a good one. So far they've been able to keep at it or better for RDNA2 and going off AMD info they've done it for RDNA3 as well.
SFFPCs are going to be AMD only builds by definition now.
It's silly what Nvidia and Intel are doing to stay relevant in the face of this incredible level of engineering.
I remember that only a few years ago (2015) AMD were selling chips like the FX-8500 and FX-6300 and people were telling jokes about their GPUs being great room heaters. Now the reverse is true. In a few years people will be on about AMD's "venerable Zen architecture" and Intel will be where it's at again. To be fair, I used to see tech reviewers comparing an FX-6300 to a core i5 processor costing 3 times as much and declaring the AMD was trash because it wasn't as good as the intel and people should just "spend the extra" (easy to say when you're comparing review samples that you don't have to pay for!).
So far with Ryzen 7000 I like the onboard graphics (i'm not going to call it a GPU!). But the fact that the lowest TDP is given as 105watt is a concern. Keep in mind nobody (other than AMD!) has taken a close look at these chips I consider that a huge unresolved issue - it'll keep them firmly outside of the corporate space if they draw that frequently. I suspect it's just poor marketing and the system will only draw that in a desperate hail-mary situation but whether the average CTO will be able to assimilate that or not is another matter.
@@Rapscallion2009 your worries are misplaced. Zen 4 will outperform a 12900k while power limited to 65 watts.
Intel and NVidia are like palpatine - unlimited powerrrrr
Let me begin by saying that I am a long time AMD fan. I hope Intel comes back with a counter punch soon, because a heated race benefits the entire community. That being said, it is nice to see what AMD has become under Dr. Su.
@@recession_guy6613 There ARE geekbench benchmarks floating around, and the 13900k beats the 7950x by a tiny TINY bit.
The PROBLEM is that the 13900k is apparently overclocked and drawing 350w+ for those benchmarks.
You can say that again, mate. Bc for couple gens, even intel high tier processors like i7's only had four cores. Meanwhile on today, the cheapest i3 12100 has already got four cores. I checked on userbenchmark the i3 12100 beat the 17 6700K.
@@recession_guy6613 ...so you agree that healthy competition between two companies benefits consumers?
@@darkred1686 he doesn't understand that we are consumer. This is how the consumer wins is by company competition
@@recession_guy6613 you seem to be the only fanboy here
I've been building PC's for the better part of my life. Die hard Intel. Until this last build, I went AMD I got a 5950X. I've never lost and Intel, I cannot complain about Intel. But I am excited to support growth no matter where it comes from, and I agree NVIDIA needs the competition Intel got.
That chip is wildly good. I'm a power user that builds a generation behind, tossed that in my x470 slapped a 200mm aio on the thing in an ITX case and I have an encoding powerhouse. Just need the 3080 to hit below actual msrp so I can ditch my 2060 Super...
As an Intel fan, I love this. Intel has been sitting stagnant for far too long, and hopefully this thrashing will be what it takes to get them working again.
THE EFFICIENCY ALONE is breathtakingly good! And that's BEFORE looking at the clock speeds.
👏🏻 GG AMD. That's all I have to say. Well done! 👏🏻
Honestly, it's best that both sides keep one-upping each other. It's what pushes for improvement that trickles down to be enjoyed by consumers. If either side gets ahead too much they're liable to get comfortable.
It's good when either side can get you excited for what they offer.
@@xlxOutlawxlx Exactly my point! I fully agree. 👍🏻
I like that take. For the last few years it seems Intel wants a chip it can point to and say "It's the fastest!" Does it take 900W to power the thing? WHO CARES? FASTEREST!!!
I'm okay with a 105W TPD CPU paired with a quiet, efficient GPU. I don't want a space heater that competes with my fridge for power and sounds like a window fan and I don't care how fast the damned thing is if burns the world down. Go AMD and hopefully Intel pulls their collective heads out of wherever they've been.
@American Legend fair, if you're looking ahead to 13th Gen. I'm just calling it as I see it regarding 12th Gen power:performance ratios.
The last time AMD did this, Intel struck back with the Core 2 Duo and doubled down on efficiency. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it again. I look forward to seeing both companies innovating and competing at their best. We all win when they do.
The Ryzen 7950X is showing just how fast AMD caught up to Intel with a very well designed and thought out solution. A 16c/32t CPU that boosts up to 5.7 GHz with the very optimized power usage is amazing. The 7950X is obviously a flagship workstation CPU that doesn't make sense for gaming purposes(the 7700X seems to be the sweet spot to me) but the same technology is used in the other 7-series Ryzens. Amazing feat by AMD.
tbf its all Consumer CPU's I have the 5950X and a buddy has a 5900X and we have the same 64GB ram and RTX 3080 but in multi core games i still get 10-14 fps more than him. So it does work for gaming. And i bought the 16 core so i can upgrade in 10 years again. I used my i7 4790K since 2020 when i bought my 5950X everyone told me the i7 4790K was overkill for gaming. I could upgrade to a 16 core cpu in 7 years time. They had to upgrade their cheaper i5's around 2017 already because it did not have threading so it simply would micro stutter in their games. So yeah. Flagships are just as good for gaming as for workflow.
If simply put i spend less money over the time from my i7 4790K to my 5950x than my buddies who bought a i5 4670 to a i7 8700k to a 5900x
I hope AMD can pull a Ryzen with their GPUS
I hope so but Nvidia isn't Intel....
What? AMD GPUs are great, I personally only go Nvidia but the 6950XT beats my 3090.
If their gpus provide similar performance to the 40 series nvidia cards but at a lower tdp I could see that happening
AMD GPUs with chiplets are coming before the end of the year.
@@Cloud971 Is that why AMD in 3 generations went from their flagship RX590 that could barely keep up with a 1060, to the 5700XT that got up to and beat 2070 speed, to now the 6900/6950XT trading punches with 90 Tier Nvidia GPU's. 🤔 I expect 7975XT to really hurt the 4090, especially once AMD masters Ray Tracing technology.
The thing AMD have been doing right since Zen 1 is to focus on efficiency first, then scale it up later as the underlining technology matures. It's a lesson both Intel and Nvidia thought they had much longer to wait until they needed to start to learn it.
Already we're seeing Nvidia GPUs in the same position Intel CPUs were a few years back.... they have the raw horsepower but they didn't really have the scalability behind it to take it much further without sweeping architectural changes, and so in order to keep appearances of staying ahead of AMDs offerings each generation they have to push their focus on raw horsepower harder and harder showing the cracks in terms of power consumption and iterative gains.
And lets be honest here, DLSS has saved Nvidia for a while now. What was meant to be a alternative Anti-Aliasing technology that was pretty flaky in results was quickly re-directed and re-marketed by Nvidia as a resolution scaling technology to obscure just how tight the performance gap between AMD and Nvidia now is, even in Real Time Ray Tracing usage.
Someone at Nvidia was clearly aware of what was happening and the position they would find themselves in across the next few generations due to the sheer time it would take to address the core architecture approach to their GPUs that they currently have adopted, and the decision to lean on software solutions as a crutch to try soften the blow was pretty smart.
But without a radical change in approach, it is only slowing the pace. Not changing the outcome
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So your point is thanks to TSMC they are competitve again.
@@SSC0815 Not how hardware architecture capability works.
@@Tiki832 True but prduction has big influence though.
It's great seeing AMD go from an overheating joke to an efficiency king.
I was super surprised at the 5.7ghz clocks, but so glad to see them finally show up on cpus. I felt like 3/4ghz was never going to improve after 12 years between them. I'm really stoked at how well these cpus are looking compared to last gen ...and I really want to get my hands on the proper 3D chip that'll come out, since the last one was just a prototype.
Just a simple production switch from globalfoundries to TSMC did this....
I remember in electronics class I had a guy talking about how 1Ghz CPUs were going to be a stretch for the silicone. Obviously a long time ago but fun to see how things just keep advancing,
AMD smashed that one out too back in the day.
think in my school days 5 GHz was the limit, now im looking forward to those 40GHz CPUs
@@gregkarch4673 lol
@@gregkarch4673 LOL!!! 😂😂👍👍
Yeah, i still remember my first pc's, an AMD x2 and a Pentium III (I think the Pentium being 600mhz, and the AMD was 1200(?).
I thought THOSE were fast (Was at the time, but still).
Fun times.
I decided to give AMD a second chance after my FX-8350 and went with them again, upgrading to a ryzen 5 3600. Glad I did, AMD customer for the foreseeable future! Excited for AM5!
Did the same. From a FX 8350, to a 5800x. Best decision I made at that time. Definitely will remain on Team Red, for the forseeable future !
im in the same boat as you pretty much but went from a 6300 to a 3700x. I'll be waiting 'till the 8000 series at a minimum because adopting a new platform is almost always ill advised, my concerns being in the memory speed department. you'd have to pay me to be a beta tester for a machine im expected to do work on for 5+ years.
Same path I've taken! I've been using AMD processors all my life, though. Good stuff. Even the FX-8350 still holds up, no matter what people say. It's still going strong on my wife/son PC.
@@ron200088 5800x is like that one underrated player in a nba team that actually plays a roll and does it well
Nah there overhyped by fan Boys Intel actually has the value and performance right now.
The race is back on, I should be good for a few years on my 5900X so I'm excited to see the back and forth between AMD and Intel.
I mean I would hope so, I'm still using a 1600AF.
Same with my 5900x. No reason to be burning more money
"AMD just Murdered Intel" That's a bold statement, Jay. No one can be sure until September 27, when impartial enthusiasts will do their own benchmarks.
let's see if it will recommended for Blender..
This guy
So, I've been back on a PC building kick since about Zen 2 launch and every time AMD knocks it out of the park, I'm kicking myself for not waiting. The constant progress and push they've been laying down since Zen 1 has been staggering.
Full disclosure; my first PC build was a AMD Athlon (Clawhammer, I think?) and it went for nearly 10 years of overclocking and bad case design before it croaked. I stayed with AMD as I couldn't afford Intel in the early 2010s. I'm not a AMD fan boy, as I have used and owed multiple Intel systems - But it seems like every time I come back to the PC building fold - AMD is there with exactly what I need at the exact right time.
RDNA1 was pretty rough though.
literally agree 100%. First build was also an athlon x4 845. Eventually ended up with intel for a bit bc it was a prebuilt. Then when i went to build another pc Ryzen had just came out and the price/performance was just unmatched. Not an amd fanboy either. I think Intel has the best ultimate performance and AMD has better efficiency all around. But for some reason when it comes to building a PC personally i feel like i wanna go with ryzen, they always have what i need at a better price in my opinion.
Entirely agreed. I’ve been with AMD since 2007, upgrading from an Intel Pentium 3. I upgrade to an AMD Phenom II X4 965, than in 2014, to an AMD FX-8350. Every upgrade, consisted in an immense performance leap for me, while not breaking the bank. I managed to save money and in November 2020 I basically built a new PC around a 5800X. My mind was blown yet again by the incredible performance of the new CPU and the new rig. So, if AMD continue on the same track, 3-4-5 years from now, depending on the workflow, I’ll build a new system, yet again, around an AMD cpu. The old FX-8350, is still kicking, doing it’s job, in the old PC, which I repurposed to an HTPC and gave it to my parents. It suits their needs 100%. So yeah, for me too, AMD, was there, exactly when I needed them to be, with what I needed, without the need to overspend, in regards to my financial possibilities at the given time, without having to make any sort of compromise . And no, I am not an AMD fanboy or a fanboy of any sorts. As a computer/laptop technician I have no favourites, I have to accomodate to my clients needs. But for me, AMD, in regards to CPU’s has been my daily driver for over 15 years. And I am not disappointed at all. To me it was and still is, the perfect balance, between price and performance and it entirely suits my needs.
My first build was the Athon 1ghz Thunderhawk. Yes, I'm old as dirt.
1st build was an Athlon X2
My first (and only, so far) AMD build was Phenom II X6 1055T back in 2011 because I wanted the cores for video encoding. Then an i7-4790K in 2016 because of the great single-threading performance for emulators. Windows 10 might run out of update support in June 2023, might as well go with AMD again when they get any driver/stability issues sorted out.
Not since I was younger pulling apart 386s and learning what it was to be a PC enthusiasts have I been sooooooo excited about the healthy state of the industry and level of engineering and leaps of performance each generation and the competition that's now driving it. And as always Jay you are apart of all of that. Keep that spark alive in others and look forward to the next video 🤓
Yeah, my first buld was a 486 and a few years later we had Celerons and Cyrix and Amd, I was sooooo hyped during that tume. But then things kind of slowed down. AMDs 1000 series brought the magic back for me, and AMD just kept delivering. This 7000 series is Looking SO DAMN GOOD!. My only issue is that Im not a 1st gen adopter, and theres plenty of new tech AMD has with the 7000 series. My biggest issue is the motherboard makers, I really feel like they are gonna drop the ball for AMD and blame will shift back and forth. I hope not.
My first build was a Sinclair ZX81! I am getting OLD! 😕
@@arthurmann578 I know the feeling. My first PC build was as 386 DX40. Where has all the time gone. These new Ryzen cpu's look amazing.
@@arthurmann578 My first PC was an IBM 5150 (pretty sure, not 100% on the model number). Ran DOS. I'm only 36, but my dad gave it to me as a gift. It was somewhat obsolete at the time I received it, but I had many lovely times playing Maniac Mansion, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Police Quest, etc.
@@arthurmann578 My first was a 1MHZ 6502 with 48k ram and 100k floppy in an Apple 2. Added a few extras and paid over $2000 US (over $7,700 today) in 1979, only hobby were the price has gone down.
I'm excited to see the overclock potential of these new chips considering they are boosting at such low wattages.
16:37 - Thank you for the Yamato reference! It was my favorite show to watch as a kid!
Damn it. If I didn't have that Asus Crosshair hero VIII motherboard still in the box, is definitely go for the that 7950X. 5.7ghz is monstrous, and the fact that it's doing 4.5Ghz all core STRAIGHT OUT THE GATE is already scary. And keeping it energy efficient is amazing too
Jay actually misread the slide. That's 4.5GHZ _base clock_ on the 7950x. GN Steve and Wendel said they saw the 7950x doing 5.1GHZ all core stock at a demo after the announcement.
@@mitlanderson 5.1ghz stock? Yikes
@@mitlanderson I think with a small oc on it, it may be at 6gHz. Then with ln2 maybe 7ghz?
@@KRGraphicsCG 5.1 is special now?
@@TheBURBAN111 for the kind of work I do, 5.1ghz stock is sweet
Gone are the days where Intel dominated the game for like, forever.
The rise of Ryzen is like an uppercut to Intel's jaw.
They been saying that since 2005
@American Legend idk man, raptor lake seems interesting, but the power consumption has me concerned.
Gamers planning to buy Nvidia's 4000 series cards might need to get a new power supplies, and depending on the power budget their working with, the build might not feasibly allow enough wattage to feed the Intel chips. But this is interesting let's wait and see what happens this Fall.
Intel never dominated forever..939 socket, amd San Diego, opterons, were killing pentium 4s
I'm just glad to see good completion for Intel to have to beat cause let's face it. when there's more competition, wanting to be the best product and be called the top dog of your industry, the biggest winners in that competition are the consumers. The consumers are the ones getting the better and larger group products to make the choice with. 😀 CONGRATS AMD THATS A HELL OF A CPU SERIES AT DROP... KUDOS
Dont get too ahead of yourself kiddo. We're still waiting for 13th gen. I think pricing will be the deciding factor just the same as it was 12th gen vs 5000 series. Its strange that AMD is good at budget GPU's but terrible when it comes to budget CPU's. 7600x is a BIG yikes. I have no doubt a 13400F (or whatever the i5 will be called) will mop the floor with the 7600x with sales/performance
For me personally i used to love intel, then swapped to Threadripper 1950x for work, and i will say i am super excited about this. Since well... Its good for us the consumers / companies that use their products. Since it just pushes the limits. Im excited!
I was on the Intel train for about 15 years now and I was always happy with it. What AMD now pulls out of the hat is amazing and I am considering to by an AMD setup next time. But with the graphics card I still would go for Nvidia
Yeah im still not convinced. AMD is destroying intel in the budget GPU market. But they're so out of touch with budget CPU's. 7600x seems like a ripoff and I have a feeling an i5 13400 or 13600k is going to demolish the R5.
@American Legend yea with copetition now we will get more inovation since now there is a fire to have them innovate now.
@@yeetus59 It is simply not possible. Intel's foundries are years behind TSMC (supported by hundreds of articles on this topic). Raptor Lake with its Monolithic Die is going to run hot and unstable even on budget cpu's at a level we have never seen. This is what happens when you don't innovate or take risks. It will be 5-10 years on AMD dominance before the tables turn and maybe AMD rest on their laurels.
Definitely exciting, and most certainly excited to get my hands on a AM5 setup. I have no reason to go so far for it as soon as it launches, maybe even waiting for the possibility of 8000 series before making that leap again. I have redone my built from a Intel quad core that showed its age, went AMD and saw so much love and performance out of it but I know it'll be matter of time but its too soon to call for an upgrade right now. However, the price point and performance I wasn't expecting to see at all, well affordable for sure but waiting for a tiny bit more down the road.
curious to know if they'll call it the 8000 or 9000 series, and if the next one will be 9000 or 11000.
I really don't understand why they didn't call this one the 7000 series after the previous one being 5000.
@@Daniel-dj7fh good question but much like Microsoft when it comes to Windows, there were probably series that isn't made public or meant for individual purchases for custom PCs or possibly desktops in mind. Better that I say the NEXT series of AM5 CPUs is when I'll make the leap forward from my 3800x I knew doing tiny little bits of upgrading won't be reasonable because of Efficiency and Performance Cores now being a thing for the next generation of CPUs.
So w/e it ends up being, I'm waiting on what comes after the 7000 series.
Exactly. I have zero issue waiting. I am loving my 3900 now with no issue. I’m take my time on the upgrade.
@@justhere2travel it's all personal but in your place I would switch to a 5900 instantly.
@@sgrulido I have one in my laptop. I think I’ll do out on Black Friday
I just got a really nice AM4 build done, but goodness I'm excited to see the data and figures from independent testing in the future, as I like the looks of where AM5 is going.
Welp, finally a reason to go over to Ryzen, I was an early 1000 series adopter and it was a headache with driver issues and instability. I've stuck to Intel since, I'm on a 11900k and I'm gonna go to whatever the highest end 7000 series is, well within reason. This is awesome
that back drop looks amazing your fancy pallet with lighting is awesome
I am an admitted AMD fanboy (not of the company, of the tech). That said, I am very excited to see what Intel does in response. Even 5 years+ later, they are struggling to catch up from their complacency, but they ARE moving forward. This kind of innovation is paramount, and I'm so happy to see it full throttle again.
I call this the Pentaverate of Bugs:
1)New CPU architecture
2)New DRAM standard
3)New Chipset
4)New PCIe standard
5)Possibly new GPU (Ada/RDNA3)
Good luck early adopters, you're going to need it. AMD or Intel.
@@Mr.Morden legitimately, I have a 12700K and a Z690 ASUS strix mobo, and while it was basically unusable for the first four months (for me) ASUS did release a BIOS update that essentially fixed ALL the DDR5 XMP stability issues. At this time, the new generation LGA1700 CPUs are great, and they are unbelievably fast compared to Zen3. I have both. Actually, I didn’t notice much difference Zen2 to Zen3, even though it supposedly was a big improvement. But Zen3 5900X to Intel 12700K was legitimately the biggest jump in general PC performance I’ve experienced yet. If AMD delivers in the way Jay seems to think they will, I dunno man, I find it hard to believe a 7600X is gonna beat a 12900K and believe it or not I’m actually more an AMD fan than Intel. I just don’t see how it can be, but maybe it is. If so, pc enthusiasts are in for a real treat with these new AMD processors and GPUs. If not, oh well, still excited for the new Radeon GPUs.
@@whaaaat_scoobs 7600x will probably out perform the 12900k in gaming and only with sam enabled.
@@Mr.Morden As a Linux user that is desperately needing to switch CPUs this may be one of my major fears but MS pluton has the potential to end the entirety of me booting into my distro. - Aiden
@@partnersincraft1889 I don't much about Pluton. They worked through the problems with TPM and Microsoft is very entangled with Linux now. I'd expect it to show up in the Linux kernel when they reach a release. It's just too bad nearly all distros are horrible at keeping up with new kernels.
LOVE the Space Battleship Yamato callout! The wave motion gun indeed.
Excellently explained + a Space Battleship Yamato reference? Love it.
This is all very exciting, but I really really want to see whats on the road map for the technology behind 3D Cache, because I have this sneaking feeling that it could be used for so much more than just extra cache. More specifically, to "fold" the current chip in a way that lets them double _everything_ without compromising on trace distance.
I got an i7-12700k in January and I’m happy about this announcement from AMD. Competition is good! Am I bummed that my CPU isn’t one of the top cpus anymore! NO! It’s still great, it’s more than enough for my needs, and it’ll last me a good few years more. Good on AMD, this is an exciting time to be a computer hardware enthusiast, I’ve not been this excited about cpus since PowerPC G3 and G4 vs pentium 1&2
I don't think there is any reason to complain about a 12700. It's a good CPU, and will last for years. Like you, I'm just happy there is some real competition between AMD and Intel because we get to look forward to better tech and better prices.
how is it not on of the top cpus?
@@C0mmanderX he’s talking about the next gen trumping the previous gen very soon.
This is the way. Over and over history shows that when companies have serious competition for their products, no matter who comes out ahead in any particular round it's the consumers who win.
@@dialNforNinja There is one exception when competition can be pretty bad. The consumer can lose pretty hard when there is a format war because they may be doomed to have bought into a dead standard.
They're pretty rare tho, the last one was the HD-DVD vs Blu Ray. Anyone that bought an HD-DVD player ended up with E waste since nothing came out in that format after 2008.
I've very excited to see how well the mobile parts do when they're released next year.
That power efficiency should work wonders.
I know right glad I'm not starting school still next year lol. might be getting amd laptop if they keep this up for sure
I'm excited to see AMD's mobile processors already revolutionizing the handheld PC gaming market with devices like the Steam Deck. As they get more powerful while still sipping power I think that market will explode.
I was amazed with the 4000/5000 series. Mobile processor was never AMD’s strong suit, yet here we are.
you're already seeing it with Apple's M1 chips. It's only going to get better
@@keokio7 Apple's new CPUs are interesting but their proprietary nature ensures that they must likely won't be used for mainstream handheld gaming. They'll stay relegated to Apple's niche market of creative professionals. I definitely don't see them being used for PC gaming systems.
I'm not convinced that ARM based CPUs are the future either. RISC-V is more likely to take that position imo.
So excited, looking forward to upgrade my AM4 to 5950x and preparing for this new gen for a main pc, not expecting their specs being totally accurate but damn that AM5 looks greatd
I just love listening to Jay while I'm working.. I get myself well prepared for the future easily. Thank you Mr. TwoCents. Lejund
This video made me extremely excited for AMD's 7000 series! One of the things that always bothered me about Intel's newer processors was the high increase in power and heat, what good is insane performance if it costs you a fortune to power and cool?
Excited ? Why ?
Do 5 more fps in 4K can justify a CPU at 600$ + X670 mb (around 400 to 500$) ?
1000$ (without the DDR5) just for 5 more fps ?
Hmmmmm ? …. I try to find a reason to change my 9900k but for now, Intel and AMD don’t make me want to change my current rig.
i hear you but watch any 5900x vs 12700/12900k comparison video. a lot less heat and wattage from the current intel cpus vs the amd. The 5900x runs extremely hot too. Their will most likely always be leap frogging between both brands with CPU releases that edge out over the other. So, the new Intel CPUs are coming out shortly after and will probably beat the AMD, do that leap frogging cycle. The real kicker is AMD has been really kicking some ass the last 5+ years and is no longer the "compromise" and a lot of it has to do with the CEO (of course) but another is getting the Massive contracts to make millions of GPUs for Sony/Microsofts Next Gen consoles. On top of all that, so many PC gamers are switching to their great Price to Performance CPUs, GPUs, and Hardware. That brings in a shit ton of profits for AMD, which in turn can allows AMD to allocate way more resources into research and development for future products and we are definitely seeing the effects of that.
And a fortune to build too … CPU + X670 motherboard for around 1000€ without the ram …
Actually, resellers are already listing AM5 motherboards and the price is … well …
Around 500€ to 600€ for a basic x670 mobo.
@@spleenpedersen5039 Well unfortunately not everyone has the money right now for the current top of the line parts. In a few years the older parts will be hella expensive and the price will have hopefully dropped on the new generation that's in the video.
@@spleenpedersen5039 a cpu’s life cycle will always be longer than a gpu, obv won’t be interested if you already have something nice and you only game on it.
I like to think that my attitude towards intel ever since I built my first pc. It had a AMD Athlon 1400+. Has helped AMD to this point, even though their dark days I still stuck by them.
It’s nice to see them back bigger than ever.
I built my current 5950x system in November of 2020 - and I'd waited six years to upgrade. I've already been prepping my wife that I feel a new build coming on this end of year... So yes Jay, I'm excited indeed for Zen 4.
Looking forward to that combination of power & efficiency hitting the laptop/SoC realm, especially when it's combined with RDNA3!
Love the new backdrop Jay, that "pallet" wallboard is working damn good.
Great work!
Oh yeah, I am excited about the new AMD architect, my next one will be an AMD build.
I’m thinking the same I have an i7-9700k and it’s starting to show it’s age lol
@@Sabre912 I'm in the same boat, been saving money for a couple of months and now these crazy CPU's dropped, so I'm going to wait for Intel's goofy stuff then upgrade, and it's looking like I'm upgrading to AMD.
@@ertgb_ yeah the last thing I need is to buy intel and then intel acts like DJ Khaled and says to me about a motherboard.. ANOTHER ONE! 🤣
@@Sabre912 Fr it's ridiculous
@@Sabre912 I got the i9 9900k and a 2080 super, they are still going strong so I guess I don't need to upgrade, to be honest, so maybe in a year or so at least I would like to upgrade and AMD is looking mighty fine.
I'm an Intel guy, loving my 12800hx, but this is the stuff I love to see. This is what spurns improvements across the industry. We want companies to be competing, not the consumer.
From a team red mate here. You have my respect comrade. We shall stand side by side against tech monopolies
I'm a who ever has the best performance for my needs guy.
@@Tylerdakoh What is this Braveheart?
@@MobileDecay lmao I was thinking LOTR, “never thought I’d die fighting beside an AMD fanboy” “what about a friend?” “Aye”
This just makes me wish I could afford my build....ain't going to for the next 20 years though with how life is going. AMD keep up the good work! Thanks Jay for covering this like always!
try to save 200 bucks a month. Be there in no time
These numbers are exciting, of course, and some of the user scores have been phenomenal. Not excited about it being LGA though, but I understand why it had to be done. Prices look good. Yeah, I'm always excited to build a new PC. But I still think I'd want to wait. Some of the better boards come out later in sockets cycle.
I'm holding off on AM5 for now. I'm excited to see the tech, but I'm not really fond of the idea of buying a whole new setup of bleeding edge material when I'm frankly paying top dollar to be a beta tester for the new tech.
I'm currently getting the parts together for a new PC, but I want to ensure that it is stable, and runs at a decent temperture, so for now I'm just going to do a AM4 build with DDR4 till I've seen all the inital bugs worked out as well as see what the temperature results are for the new stuff.
I hope that at least makes some level of sense.
Agree, this is tech for hardcore gamers and content creators. Most of PC users don't know how to make i5-12600 busy.
Same here . I just got into pc building and it so happens that the new generation of tech has come out , but I’m gonna stick with the am4. Especially since pricing has dropped and now is a good time to buy parts . I mean the 3090ti is only 1100 bucks right now and that’s where it should have been around to begin with. Just my opinion at least
It's not like your rig is going to be useless once AM5 goes live. Yes there will be a lot better stuff but your RIG is going to still be good. I'm still rocking a 1500x
I think of myself as a bargain hunter more than someone that needs the latest. I like finding good deals not necessarily the latest tech. There are incredibly noticeable diminishing returns for being at the cutting edge.
I'm still using a 4th gen intel i7 with ddr3 with a gtx 1060 and I can still play most games on ultra (30fps) and I ain't complaining yet. I'm planning to build a new one but if I'm starting new, I'd rather go for an AM5 or the new intel to future proof
Exciting stuff. I can't wait for the benchmarks, especially for the power draw they claim to have. Awesome
I must say for the most part I have been partial to team Intel. This news of speed and lower power usage compared to current Intel is wonderful. I imagine 13th gen still might not be able to keep up with AMD this coming round. I would be more than happy to go with an AMD build on my next one. Let's see what the next 6 months bring ;)
unlike intel amd has mother board longevity
the 13900K is beating the 7950X in leaked test. Granted, it's drawing 350W, but still out performing it.
@@Vyruis well yeah also while heating your home..pair that with a 350w 3080 lol not worth the cost to run...i mean if you throw enough power into something....
@@Vyruis be like say one man can run faster than the other while on drugs
Happy with my 12900k I use in my work machine ATM but I can definitely see a future upgrade where I'd grab a 7000 series AMD chip on an AM5 board. Super excited about RDNA3 also!
Interesting to see 7800x3D how much L2+L3 cache they have! Also AMD's CPU & GPU power efficiency is quite impressive and important!
If I see 128MB of total cache I'll be impressed, and if they somehow get 172MB, I'll be jumping, not believing, and if they are somehow using Alien technology and put 256MB, I might gauge my eye out.
Imagine that 20 years ago, having 256MB of RAM is considered as mainstream
@@Dominus_Potatus 1024kB of EMS has entered the chat.
THIS, I really want to see what they come up with for the X3D on AM5
@@Dominus_Potatus if AMD makes a dual CCD (7900x 7950x) with the extra cache expect there to be 192MB of L3
@@Dominus_Potatus That's a bit low for 2002, I built a new gaming PC a year later and it had 2 GB
I'm currently running a Ryzen 5 3600 on an Asrock Steel Legend B450 motherboard with 16gb of 3200 ddr 4 ram. Once the independant reviews come out from yourself and other techtubers, I'll then be making up my mind about what upgrade path to go and if the current info is on par, it'll be an easy choice for me. If I do go AMD again, which is what I'm leaning heavily towards, then I will most likely go with the 7900X and X670 mobo.
I have almost the same setup but with x570. I will almost definitely be upgrading, building a new pc actually. With performance gains like that it's so worth it.
I’m curious what all of you guys are doing that make you want to upgrade? What do you do that you’d notice any difference?
Honest question.
@@codycast well if 7000 is that much better than 5000 than it must be wayyy better than 3000, so it's a lot better value for us that are running 3000 or older
@@alloftheabove8522 I kow that all I would really need to do to get better performance would be to upgrade my B450 motherboard to an X570 so I get pcie 4.0, but if I go the extra mile and get an X670 motherboard, it'll mean pcie 5.0 perephials such as much faster nvme ssds and Ram. Also means I can then give my current pc(I still have my RTX 2060 and 650W bronze psu as spares) to my housemate to replace his aging Core 2 Duo 6600 system.
@@codycast the almost up to 1GHz increase of CPU speed,
that means more FPS in BIG open world games with high entry count,
PCIe5 cpu lane there should not be a problem running GPU on 8x and M.2 card by bifurcation, 2 chipset chip motherboards "should" mean not more need to choose between what slots you can use
I'm thrilled about the onboard iGPU with Zen 4 as well. It's been a long time coming.
Exciting stuff! Looking forward to pairing this with a new-gen ATI card.
Considering the efficiency it certainly seems like a very interesting line of CPU’s. I’m definitely waiting for two things, pricing and the competition before pulling the trigger on either intel 13th gen or AM5 but this seems like a very interesting road to be taking. Can’t wait for their GPU’s either!
I beleive prices were announced and they actually trended downwards
Was going to wait for a 4090 and 13900k personally which releases Oct 17th, but took the dive and got a Asus Tuf 3090TI OC edition card, Z690 Formula, 6200Mhz DDR5, i9 12900k.... Not a fan of AMD anymore and will never own one. :/
@@achaosg In other words a fanboy.
@@tstager1978 I just buy what's cheap and available,
@@achaosg what releases October 17th?
I really liked this video as it got me excited for the new chips. That said, I do want to wait for reviews and benchmarks before building a new pc with AM5.
I complained loudly about this already on GN, but basically those price hikes coupled with absence of the stock cooler considerably lowered my enthusiasm, just because AMD was so great on price. If you wanted best of the best a 12900k DDR5 was "fine" atm but the problem is, it always comes down to cost. I'd consider its value comparison to Intel since if 13th Gen costs around the same but performs at least as well, eh. Especially if Intel retakes the gaming crown via unlocked processors and AMD stays borderline unoverclockable on Ryzen.
For productivity though, yeah it'd be pretty exciting. I have no idea how more businesses haven't switched to Ryzen yet. AM5 is probably going to be pretty solid for starting a 10 year build.
I just bought an Nvidia RTX card to add to my desktop rig, but haven't installed yet. I have a Ryzen 5600G and it has held its own. I was on a tech support screen sharing session the other day and the tech support agent said I had fast machine after watching me re-install a patch. I am ready to make the leap to 7000 series when available with a nice compatible motherboard and see what shakes up with the RDNA graphics too. Thanks for filling us in Jay.....I just bought more shares of AMD too!
i recently built a pc with a 12900ks with a 3080ti but, im super excited for the amd launch, im gonna be doing an all amd build as soon as the new gpus drop really looking forward to the lower tdp it was a real task to tame the ks
I've been AMD leaning for 20+ years (K6-2 550mhz etc) but am always happy to see competition that benefits us all.
same here bro. Ahtlon, Phenom. I've always just went amd except once I got the i5 4690k it was beast! A couple weeks ago I just went from 2700x to 5900x. 7000 series I will upgrade to in 3 years.
@@EscapementWatch Last computer I had (busy life) was a Phenom 4. About to build something, was leaning toward 12700k/3070ti, but might have to wait for that 7950 to drop.
I would like to point out that many of the improvements are noted as "up to" . This is all still very impressive form AMD, but know that they are talking about a maximum difference and not an average.
I am team AMD, but I do not have bias for one thing. Believing their numbers. I have yet to see but a handful of CPUs actually clocking at their supplied speeds. Usually it's like 200mhz or more lower. If for some reason you can boost to the clock number in their marketing, it's unstable as fuck.
@@damdibidum With proper cooling and power every single CPU from both companies will reach their advertised spec and beyond. My 5600x clocks to 4840 and hits 70c max with a 360 aio from Lian Li.
@@damdibidum I have a Rev 2 5900x that seems to run way cooler then most reviews show and clocks at the expected boost speeds without an issue on a cheapy cooler I was using on a skylake Intel. My CPU scores higher then the default CPU-Z results for single and multi by a couple percent. I know 3k series had the issue you describe though. AMD did release updates to fix that issue but I was not a 3k user so can't comment on that. I am not OC'ing at all on my system.
@@Somethingaboutthat Glad to see you have anecdotal experience to say otherwise.
@@damdibidum the rev 2 5k’s seem to be pretty good from what I’ve seen. My brother has the 5700g and 5600g rev 2’s which run pretty low watts. Total system power usage while benchmarking on the 5600g was less then 70 watts. Idle was like 10 or less. Playing back videos was like less then 15. Straight from the wall.
I can't wait to make a AM5 build. I am 47 and just got into PC gaming. When getting a system for school and gaming. I was looking at future proofing. I knew amd was about to release the am5 socket, so I bought a prebuilt, wanting to wait to build an am5 system when they came available,. Now l am extremely excited for the possibilities of what is just around the corner!
Im so stoked hopefully i can get my hands on a 7900x. Im just hoping the mobo’s dont have the stupid usb disconnect issues I experienced with the x570 mobo’s
It's really nice to still see a push for performance with power efficiency, I had the feeling that we were at the point where they wouldn't even try efficiency anymore and just push the power consumption and leave it to the power supply and cooling manufacturers (and our electric bill) to deal with it.
I wish intel would do the same lol. Now that I'm upgrade my mobo and cpu I may go ryzen. I have a 10700k which i love, but 11th gen sucked, and 12th gen was just too hot for someone like me who prefers air cooling
@@dudeanderson2401 I think you have an error in your comment. Intel would do the same thing.
They just haven't been able to. Recently AMD has the better tech and Intel has been competing via brute force. Hopefully now that they seem to be getting their development process back on track they can change that.
With the kwh price here in Southern Sweden, €0.6 at the highest this summer. It's not economical to run a 200W+ tdp cpu.
@@Varangian_af_Scaniae If cost is what matters, then performance per watt is what is relevant not the maximum power draw.
Of course if you don't need what this CPU can do at its power limit you also don't need this CPU and are probably better off looking down the product stack.
@@88porpoise AMD is thinking a bit about the power consumption, which is great in this day and age. Our politicians are push green energy to insanity and the energy cost in Northern Europe is and will be high for the foreseeable future.
Both Intel and Nvidia seems like they don't care and if I have to choose between paying €20 or €50 per month per computer to run 24/7, I will choose AMD.
I've been AMD since Duron days , had 2 intel's before that failed on me.
It's always nice to see AMD do good things for the future .
Duron, haven't heared that name for decades, jeez.
AMD fan since 2000. I got the very first 1ghz processor. The AMD Athlon Thunderhawk. I also had to have the
Quantum fireball HDD & PC133...
Damn I feel old.
I do wish Hercules 3d Prophet cards were still on the go. They were terrific cards.
@@badgermacleod2037 that would be Thunderbird cpus, tho I do think you knew that :) I loved it when AMD switched to DDR when Intel was still trying to push RDRAM on everyone XD I do still have my Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 XT aka Kyro II chipset...love the card almost as much as I do my 3DFX 5500 PCI DVI version :D....but no, nowhere near my 3dfx card :D
@@pimcreemers6416 Voodoo5 with FSAA! Kyro with tile-based rendering! I miss those days... And I really miss 3D Audio competition, gaming with Aureal Vortex SQ2500...
@@pimcreemers6416 : Wow, you & Cici have been in the tech game a long time. The 3DFX VooDoo cards were once the very best graphics cards on the planet & I thought everyone forgot about the Kyro chips entirely. They were exciting times to watch everything was changing so fast in real time. I just remembered Abit motherboards you could overclock the nuts off those boards. I think it was a fun time for us even though the power of those systems wouldn't come close to modern systems, still fun times. I'm suprised anyone remembers this stuff.
Im looking forward to everyones test results when you guy get them in your hands ! :) loving my 5900x it does 5.2 single for me out of the box with my hero dark board :)
This was the best coverage/explanation of AMD 7000 out of all the channels that have covered it.
I was using Ryzen 5 1400 since 2017, recently I bought i7 12700 just 2 months ago and was impressed by the generational leap but now after hearing this announcement of AMD I am excited, although little bit sad too as AMD might highly likely surpass this performance with their lower end cpu but I am happy about the fact where AMD was and where it is now. Competition is good. Power to the consumers.
You should have stayed with AMD. Now you have a power hungry PC with less performance than AMD’s lowest tier 7000 series chip.
@@ARH0101 when I bought Intel, Ryzen's launch date was unknown and I needed a good processor at that time so I switched
I've been in and out of IT industry since the 286. With Intel, AMD and Cyrix leapfrogging each other on price, performance, overclocking and Best Bang per Buck, the early days were interesting times. I have been somewhat removed from the industry for the last 15 years. I've kept up a steady interest to kinda keep my head in the technology space as it were, but now its getting exciting again. Thanks for the clear roundup of what's happened recently with AMD bounding ahead again after being the underdog for the last what... 20 years?
I switched allegiance several times in the 386 / 486 days, even giving Cyrix a go. But Intel was still my goto for most of that time.
Thanks for the brief but informative review of current and future AMD products and how the compare with the increasingly complacent and possibly lazy Intel.
I'm looking to upgrade my current PC, more because its getting old now, not that its really wanting, but it is approaching 7 years old. AMD will definitely be getting a serious look.
Thanks Jay
Last few months Ive been thinking about upgrading my 9700k, but now I think Ill wait a bit for that sweet, sweet 7800x3d with the vcache.
Awesome video as always!
Really nice job on the background!!!!
I'm really looking forward to the 7000 3dv cache ones. Please let it be a big one too, my compile times could use a bit more speed. Something like a 7950x3D would be a dream!
YES PLEASE !! More Speed ! Did some 1 say 6 Gig ? 😎
I'm still going to stick with my AM4 Ryzen 7 5800X3D for now, I just put that system together a few months ago. As exciting as AM5 is, and these performance numbers back that up, it's still not cost effective to upgrade and rebuild half my system yet...
I am in the same boat.
Same… I’m a year into my build. I would need to see performance limitations for new games before I upgrade
got the 5950x for multi threaded stuff, its gonna hold me till zen5 at least...but exciting stuff on zen4
That's a good thing to do. Your build is fresh and gonna be good for a long time. I built my PC when the first Ryzen released and it's still the system I use today. R5 1600 with a 1060 6GB. It's not the best but up to now, it was perfect. But I do want to switch to 4K and be able to play at higher quality. I'm really hyped for these new AM5 CPU. Next PC is gonna be a monster.
I like to do this with any new pc ecosystem, wait till a new platform is around the corner, get the best hardware of the current one and keep it until the new platforms lifecycle is about to end and build a whole new pc with the best hardware again. I really don't like upgrading within the same platform, adopting early seems like wasted money to me
I'm impressed with what AMD is doing on the x86 and also what Apple is doing with their ARM chips!
Absolutely so excited to see AMD bring the fight to Intel the way it's has!
I am really looking forward to RDNA3, that's gonna be the real fight we need AMD to win against Nvidia. I've always had Intel systems up until 2018 and paired each system with a AMD/ATI Radeon GPU.
Would absolutely, hands down LOVE to go full AMD in the very near future!
I went full AMD back in 2020 with my gaming rig after getting tired of having issues with Intel-based systems so much. My rig hosts a Ryzen 7 3700X with Radeon RX 5500 XT GPU. It might be using "old parts" but for all the gaming I do, it's an absolute beast. A nice perk is that it's a comfortable $1,500 space heater for the colder seasons!
Full stats:
Motherboard: ASRock Steel Legend B450M
GPU: ASRock Challenger D Radeon RX 5500 XT
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 3200 4 X 8GB
Case: Fractal Design Focus G Mini black MicroATX mid tower
Performance uplift looks good, and the pricing I've heard thus far sounds pretty reasonable. Thinking it might be worth waiting until we see the x3d zen 4 stuff comes out though.
Great video! You asked why we wouldn’t be excited and I’m on the fence. I have a 3900x and this would be a huge boost in performance if I gamed at 1080p but I don’t. I game at 1440p or 4K and need to wait because not sure how much of a performance boost there will be at those resolutions. Until next gen gpus are launched and comparison videos of those with these new cpus vs the older models are up, not really much for me to get excited about. I get they want to show the big boost numbers so they create a bottleneck, but that just becomes marketing talk and not real world performance. Makes all those charts worthless to anyone not gaming at 1080p. Definitely appreciate the video and the information though and can’t wait to see your reviews on these.
Same sentiments here. My end goal is 4k 120hz OLED ray tracing. Any higher tier AM4 or Alder Lake should be up for the job with next gen graphics cards.
I'm in the same position with the same processor. Because this is a socket change (for good reason), upgrading the motherboard and RAM etc is going to be a considerable extra cost over just getting a new processor.
@@ClarkBark14 what display are you planning on using? The C2 or the ROG pg42uq? I’m stuck between the two displays
I have a 3900X and it is pretty fast. I can't imagine how fast the new ones are.
@@Duncan2201 Exactly! I would love to do a new build but I can’t justify buying pretty much an entire pc every 2-3 yrs. For me, makes more sense upgrading just the gpu and getting a much later version of this new socket. Let them iron out the issues and add more features.
I'll be really interested to see how well MSFS does on Zen 4, with these big single core improvements.
That's all I want to know. :)
Great video! I would be curious to see how it runs with MSFS 2020
Nice to see AMD doing so well. Would absolutely love it if they can give nvidia a good thrashing as well
7700 x looking like the one for me :) currently on a 3700x , going be an amazing upgrade when the time comes, but definitely giving it some time to mature a bit , if my eager mind allows me lol
patience is a virtue, and the economic situation needs to stabilise a bit ... more
Do you stream, i am thinking of getting between 8 and 12 core chips , heard live streaming is core heavy + gaming strenuous games.
I'm still on the 2700x but I think I can wait just a little more for the 7800x or however the 3d cache version will be called
@@fatgrandmaproduction lol but why would you guys even though
I'm on a 3700x specifically because I got a Wraith Prism and it was a cheaper platform with a future on AM4, and my board had the solid features I'd wanted (solely excepting 2nd USB 3). So I basically went this way specifically knowing it could get a very high end next gen CPU for pretty cheap when the time comes, as already 5950x dropped to like $500 USD, and it's probably going to be a lot cheaper by the time I even have use for it. I have zero actual need to upgrade anything in this PC, and am going to get a cheaper 5950x. If you're strictly a gamer, you also get the 5800X3D to drop in and you should be fine with that for the next five years at least before it starts showing real age.
@G T what res and which games? Because I really don't want to part with my blessed Wraith Prism cooler and have to shell out $100 for a decent looking Coolermaster air tower or $200 for an LCD AIO I'm not parting with my 3700x yet, which I've not even found use for it so 5950x to me is still more about fun factor and futureproofing the machine for video stuff. Also because it makes more sense for me to put that money on RDNA3 atm.
That depends on what you'll use them for. They'll be costly so the difference must be large to upgrade. In addition, the bios for new processors will need upgrading a lot the first year to take care of all crashes people have. Older systems may be more reliable.
The work on the Steam Deck's custom APU brought me back to noticing AMD and I'm due for a new main PC / gaming rig. Definitely looking to build it around the 7950X, love future proofing my gaming builds to last 5+ years. Now if only the AMD graphics cards could catch up to Nvidia as much as the CPU's have caught up to Intel.
Problem is Nvidia's actually making an effort to stay ahead. AMD may be comparable or exceed them in terms of raw power... but in just about every other way Nvidia has a pretty big lead. Intel made no effort and now that it bit them in the behind it's too late for them to catch up quickly. They were too stupid to realize that they couldn't rely on incremental upgrades forever. But Intel's decisions are weird anyhow like their half-assed attempt to try and enter the GPU market.
Future proofing in what way - do you upgrade, or do you just roll with it for 5 years?
My rig is, apart from a small GPU upgrade to a GTX960, 12years old (AMD Phenom II X6 1100T from 2010) and with some overclocking still beats my mid-range AMD laptop from 2017, with ofc much better GPU. Never had good enough of a reason to invest so much again to upgrade (until now with VR)
@@vocassen I haven't done incremental upgrades in a real long time. Most upgrades like a new CPU almost always requires a new motherboard because of how fast changes/improvements are being made. The new AMD CPU's are backwards compatible, so that's great for minor upgrades. I'm also at a point where a $3,000 new PC build isn't beyond my budget, which is nice.
I visited AMD’s facility in Boston back in 1989 - I was amazed by what I saw back then - knew they were going to be doing great things
They were failing at that time
Love AMD been a fan for a long long time in my mind AMD has always been ahead of intel. Used to be a Cyrex fan untill it went away I always like the underdog. Going to wait for the 7800X3D. Thanks for the rundown.
Exciting! Im still enjoying my ryzen 5900x, but I think i'd like the 7900x-3d-stack when those come out. I've stayed with AMD the whole way thru, when you choose the right parts they last, I only retired my AMD FX-9370 system last year to build the 5900x system lol, last old system still runs perfectly too. Its nice seeing AMD on top again, they've always had great products, but often bigger marketing budgets would eat away at their margins, finally more realize how good AMD actually is, i hope they keep up the competition and continue to innovate, its a win/win all around.
Am really enjoying Ryzen platform. Been AMD exclusive builder since K6. Some ups and downs in last 25 years but what a ride!
As exciting as all of this is, I'm waiting 1-2 gens for them to work out all the kinks with DDR5 and other new platform issues. I think I'll be ok with my 5800X3D for a while.
I am keeping my 5800X3D until AMD's 8000 series.
Hello follow AM4 holdout :) I have a 5900X and a 5800X that I want to hold on to for at least the next 3 years. I wonder what performance will be like by that time. It's awesome to see such gains again when things were so stale during the 2010's.
Totally understand, that’s a good reason!
I don't have amd I have intels i5 6600k which is 7 years old. I can't wait for the kinks to get sorted out, I'll have to be one of the testers with ddr5 🤣
@@ang3lxdust315 hello fellow old Intel holder, I'm still running games and rendering on my first gen i7-920, can't wait for them to iron that out 😂
Im really happy to see AMD coming back on top .
Really excited to see those CPUs hands on .
Hmm, comparing new AMD to old Intel, hardly a fair fight. Raptor Lake just around the corner so much fairer compare with that.
@@markroberts7093 and the battle begin
@@markroberts7093 And the fanboy level is going to be on another level
@@markroberts7093 I think Raptor Lake will be 5-10% faster. But at a cost of 40-50% more power draw. Then AMD will slap them with the V-Cache variants. I hope Intel doe something special. Because they will cost more to run. 350w... 😳
@@markroberts7093 Yeah, but when ADL launched, hardly anyone was saying the same thing in reverse, even though Zen 3 came out when Intel was only on 10th gen. Then 11th gen happened, and then 12th gen, and it was very hard to find a comment where people were not saying things like "Intel ADL destroys Zen 3"...with nary a drop of context to be seen.
When RPL comes out, Zen 4 vs RPL will be a very close fight, with AMD having the distinct advantage of smaller die size, better power efficiency, and a platform that is for sure going to be longer lived that the 2 generations and dead end that will be RPL.
I wish they were even more closely matched, because that is good for regular people when it is... But the only thing that will be closely matched in the performance, with all that other aforementioned stuff going to AMD.
Was glad to hop on the red team for my last PC build. Went with AMD 5000 series and I was not disappointed. Glad to see AMD is keeping the market competitive and hopefully forces intel to make their prices more reasonable as they lose market share.
My question is will they do something with the 3d cache, or is it being to difficult for now for mainstream cpus besides one offs
I really hope AMD has tested the new AM5 platform thoroughly so no nasty bugs will arise when it goes on sale worldwide. I really would love to give AMD zen4 a try since my current build (i7 3770k and 8 gb or ddr3 ram) is definetely showing its age so I really need a new PC build. But from what I've seen/read from am4 many bugs were present and some are still not completely fixed (like the weird usb dropouts - some say never got it, some say it's fixed while some say it's just as bad as ever). I just hope it doesn't happen something like that and it goes "pretty" smooth (I do expect some bugs to happen, that's just inevitable with all new techs).
I had experience many bugs with AM4, and the most annoying one single big error due to me buying incompatible ram. That being said intel 12th gen has many issues as well.
u do know that a free Obama phone has more performanse then that O_O
how tf are people still using 4 core intel pc.. jesus bro even the public shit library has better pc lol the hell man holy crap i cant imagine dude
i couldnt even use my i7 8700k for more then a year it felt so slow how the fyck u even using it is it even usable
also ive used ryzen 1600 `1600 af 1700 1700x 2600 2700x 3600 and 5800x and ive never once had any bug or glitch with amd
on the other hand ive had countless glitches with in tell 7th gen 8th gen 9th gen 10th gen had problems 11th gen was basicly unusable and 12th gen never even booted up for me ram ddr5 issues
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude Jesus Christ is Lord
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude Surpisingly it is very usable still, as long as you don't expect it to run as fast as a last gen CPU :) I'm still playing on it (finished God of War a couple of weeks ago for example and it ran pretty fine). I can't wait for the new build tho because I know no matter what I'll get (intel or amd) it's going to be a insane upgrade.
I'm so glad AMD is doing well and taking the lead. I switched from Intel for my 5900x and I've been so happy with the shift. I've always disliked the business practices of Intel and waited until tech increased so I could leave them for good. I went from a 7700k to 5900x and if I had it my way, I'd never buy from Intel again.
Intel did AMD dirty and has blatantly done shady stuff all the way back to the 90's. I'm not saying AMD are a bunch of angels themselves but they were definitely the under dogs trying to get their bone. Well they got it and now they're the big dawg. I hope the Radeon side of things kick off too and I can kick Nvidia to the curb.
I agree with you 10000%. Great video!
ryzen X800x is normally binned single chiplet this time around those binned chiplets are going to the ryzen 7950x so theres not a loss in gaming for productivity at the top core count!
I honestly just wanna know more about pcie 5.0, ddr5 and what hardware will be compatible with the cpu communicating directly with the gpu tech, whether it will be proprietary or if it will just work
The efficiency of these new CPUs is completely insane. I'm hoping to make an ITX with an AM5 system seeing how powerful these new CPUs are.
I don't know yet, the IHS on the CPU is kinda cut out. At least from the pictures, let's see how that plays out in the thermals.
@@jasonforsyth5015 The chance of that small cosmetic change affecting heat is slim to none. Obviously no one knows for sure until they're out but I'd bet its negligible at best.
In all honesty, this makes me excited for the future intel chips (perhaps, the 1400 series or so). To see these two companies trying to on-up each other only helps the consumer no matter if you're AMD or Intel biased.
In a world where most people either see red, green or blue, it's not a bad thing to be colourblind 😜
That beeing said: i am performance and effeciency biased. I'd love to see Intel keep up.
But i fear: when they keep this architecture thing with P- and E-cores, the 14000 series will not be any better than Raptor Lake, and that already has to pack heat...💩
LOL, that does not look like a one-up. In the Game of One-upmanship, I think thats at least 2-3 UpManShip.😁
as an amd fanboy since the amdx2 66 its refreshing to see them come back around to be on top.
Heck, I'm still running an i7-5820 oc'd to 4350mhz all core (will do 4500 all core, but trying to prolong life). ...still does more than I need.
Jay I always get good dad vibes from you and your channel. Keep doing what is right and don't lose who you are. People like linus don't realize that
Thing I like about Jay is he really is able to see it like the average consumer or gamer. I think that Linus and Steve get too wrapped up in that shiny new tech geek type mentality, best displayed by Linus' "old PoS system held together by dust" and then sticking a GTX 1070 into it, like that's way better than a ton of people watching these channels last year. There's good reason to watch those guys too but I find Jay most accessible to new builders usually, mainly because he's most deeply in tune with that "I got a GTX 760 in my tower, it's not much but it's mine" type of mindset. lol he just made a Starcraft reference nobody under like 30 is going to get too. Jay and Anthony are indeed chill.
I can't wait to see Intel launch a 250w tdp chip just to match the 7950x.
the 13900k es hits 250w under full load... 7950x has a 170w tdp and a 230w ppt... meaning actual power consumption will be close to intels...
@@TheBURBAN111 except no. They said the headroom is there for OC. It gets to 5.7 within the quoted TDP.
250W vs 230W, not much of a difference.
@@thomastyler5058 yeah on one or two cores alleged... I really don't think it will hold 5.7ghz across all cores on a workload lmao unless you oc.
@@thomastyler5058 if the 13900k outperforms the 7950x then I don't care if AMD is 5% more efficient, I care about which one is faster
Using a 5950x as my first AMD CPU since a couple months after its release. Was a little nervous about switching to AMD because I don't/can't buy a new PC very often (was a whole new PC) but now I'm not nervous anymore.
built my intel pc late last year so not looking *quite* yet, but if AMD keeps improving this much I might switch to them by the time zen5 is coming out