NEVER install these programs on your PC... EVER!!!
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2024
- We have talked about what software every PC should have... but today we are going to talk about what software you should NEVER install... EVER!
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You left out Windows11.
Ahh, I came here to make this comment too
This
You mean windows? Why specifically 11
Amen
You legend...
1:08 Norton
2:03 McAfee
4:17 NordVPN
7:53 Shopping extension
11:03 PC speed booster
15:51 Pre installed software
17:36 Other software included in free programs
18:30 Precautions in pirating software
Thanks for saving me 19 minutes lol
the comment i was looking for, thanks
You the MVP brother.
I'm actually surprised that Windows was not mentioned.
Just curious what's wrong with NordVPN? I use the ExpressVPN app is that bad too?
About 20 years ago, if that, a nurse friend of mine, who was recently disabled, put Norton Utilities on her new computer... the computer all but froze. It took FOREVER for just one web page to load, if at all; the same for all programs on her computer. She was in a wheelchair, was somewhat of a computer novice, and called me for help. I'd say it took me between 50 and 60 HOURS to get Norton-Not-So-Useful-Utilities off her computer. After that, wiping her hard drive and reinstalling her operation system and programs was a comparative "walk in the park." For years now, when asked about Norton, I say, "RUN!"
FOOTNOTE: getting rid of McAfee, some years later, cured many undiagnosable, and annoying, issues on my computer.
The original Norton Utilities, back on classic Mac, worked wonders. I really did love it, particularly the defragmenter. That was then... this crap is now.
I had to do this three seperate times, Norton was garbage.
About 35 years ago "Norton Commander" was the first way to get a "tree-view" of your drive and folder structure. This was in MS-DOS times. It was a hit. It was quickly acquired by Symantec and since then it did a lot of good stuff but after the late 90's made a nosedive I'd say.... You have the right of it, but it goes deeper is all I'm trying to say :)
I guess back then, the notion of removing the hard-drive and attaching it as a secondary/slave drive to another computer wasn't so known. Would have saved you some time.
By the way on modern windows (since at least 2006) there's something called a safe mode which boots without non-essential items, this will make sure Norton and other crap don't launch at startup so you can remove it.
I had a similar problem with Norton and couldn't uninstall it. When I asked Symantec how to get it off my PC the answer I got was "why would you want to?". Well, I got rid of it in the end and I never used it again.
The original Norton was great. It was only after Symantec took it over that it went downhill. Stay away from Symantec.
For two summers in a row while I was still in school, my full time job was to work for an IT department at a factory going through all the new PC's they were buying and deleting all the garbage software they had preinstalled. It was such a long process that even doing it full time, it took me 6 months.
Wouldnt it be much faster to just reinstall the OS?
@raffypasalo it would, or even have image ready. But then he would not have a full time job ;)😂
I remember early days of the internet we all worried about "Pop-Up Ads"......Now the whole internet is one big "Pop-Up Ad"
We wiped our cookies every day, defraged at least once a week, and the biggest virus was PC Stoned, or some variation. I used to swear that Pecker Norton wrote malware so he could sell antivirus.
The beloved defrag 😂 wow. Thank you for that trip down memory lane. This comment is pure GOLD!
I mean the only reason these don't work well anymore is browsers changing their defaults to block them... the majority won't touch a setting so yeah.
@@tetedur377 Your not defragging a solid state drive?
For sure, I said it out loud as he did haha, the good old days!
You all should 100% do a video where you load all of these and other programs onto a rig, test the hell out of it, and then remove them and test it again. Just for fun.
It’d be great to see a benchmark after installing each PC accelerator, and see the numbers go up and up (time elapsed of course).
A youtuber that goes by basicallyhomeless has a series where he just installs as many viruses he can on a pc to see what happens. Check him out if you're curious about this specific scenario.
That is NOT fun
However - you may have a warped sense of what fun is.
Go to a FUN ERAL -- Perhaps that will offer some sense
of excitement for you
And he should use his fixit voice when he shows the loaded up rig.
Then back to his normal voice for the clean rig.
DIS!
When a product is free, then you are the product...
Damn right
Not with Linux, GNU. But mostly, you're right.
@@9Lights tails os never fails hehe.... the feds of all countries hate it though! (heavily armored for privacy linux distro)
Not always true. There are programmers who build shit for utilitarian reasons. They love what they do, and give it away for free. Just look at the wide array of Linux builds.
Except F/OSS software.
I actually got both Norton and McAfee scam emails and even got followed up with an email saying that I was charged on a paypal account I didn't even have.
I always laugh at those 'charge to a service you don't use' ones.
Oh no, how terrible!
Incognito mode does NOT do anything to hide your information or data transferred from your ISP or any bad actors. Incognito mode is not more secure, it just doesn't store browser data locally. That's all it does.
This cannot be emphasized enough!!
@@Vermeulenisdenaam i mean chrome literally tells you that when you open an incognito tab, so the only way not to know that is if you just don't read.
@@atomicwaffle420 yes, I know... but the ability to read is one of the most overestimated talents for the average Joe internet visitor ;)
@@atomicwaffle420 I don't know what you said because I didn't read it but you're wrong.
@@atomicwaffle420to be fair though years of computer use have trained me to instinctively press the right button without reading pop ups and shit XD
Norton used to be awesome, but even Norton himself suggests not using it after he sold it. They turned it into a monster of a joke.
Same with McAfee. As Jay said, the history of that man is incredible. He made one of the first awesome malware tools then when he left, the new owners turned it into a moneygrab scam that ended up trusted by so many OEMs because of the money they paid and the history that it used to be good.
John McAfee himself made the most incredible video on how to uninstall it. I recommend looking it up. Yes, they really are actual hookers and I'm 100% sure that's not flour.
just like planet fitness
@@Cymru1987 they at least still function as they are supposed to. Get rid of the idiots and it's fine. Norton can't be fixed.
Their BIOS scans and pre-OS scanners are still very good and were the only thing to detect a Rootkit that I knew I had due to computers weird behavior but could not locate otherwise. Best is you run it from a USB drive instead of installing anything. Highly recommend that and run periodic scan every 3 to 6 months or so .
@@seditt5146 There are still significantly better programs out today than Norton. Like I said, it USED to be awesome, but not any longer.
I keep a Chromebook on the side that has never been logged in, I run it in guest mode only. If I'm shopping for something or want to research anything controversial I use that Chromebook to keep that activity from being reflected back at me on my primary computer. It's so annoying to buy underwear on Amazon and see nothing but underwear ads for weeks. 😀
Same
Just a few notes to make sure you understand.
Your traffic headers are visible by your ISP and your activity is still being tracked there.
Chrome books report home automatically with all your activity.
It only takes a few data points for tracking pixels to lock on. Ei: your ip address and the searches you made are enough to link you almost to the individual level.
Bulk data collection means even on your chrome book they still know it's you.
If you want true privacy, running a kali live distro connected through a VPN like mullvad or similar service that doesn't take or store any of your information is the way. Change your browser to display a different device type, browser type, etc each time you use it.
Who buys their underwear online? Sheesh...
Did you know that Adobe allows their software to be pirated? The cracks that work on Adobe are the same exact cracks that have been used since photoshop 7 or earlier. There's minor differences, but they are essentially the same.
I asked Adobe once at a job fair at my uni. I asked them because I knew they had really good student version pricing and I wanted to get in on that. Except here in Asia, for some reason, they don't... Their student version pricing required that the version you bought was the extended version of photoshop, which was regular price 1000 usd and discounted down to 700. Regular standard version of photoshop was 699.
In the US, I think student version was 299. But you had to buy through the uni and they could only get what was regionally available.
So I waited until I did a class back in Canada and bought in then with Production Premium cs5.5, which was an awesome deal. And then I upgraded to cs6 which was still cost effective.
And then they screwed everyone with CC and I vowed "not one penny more" goes into their greedy pockets.
And you had better believe I have lived up to that.
Fuck em.
I think up until CC 2018 Adobe allowed their software to be pirated. Not anymore, still there are pirated versions but they are not as clean as before. Also new features are cloud based, so pirating the main software does not allow use those features
@@AnjanaLK not even close to true. The methods are almost exactly the same and haven't changed.
Also interesting is that there are some versions you can download directly from Adobe for free now. Older versions. Been a while since I checked on this, but the point is that Adobe knows they need pirating to remain industry dominant.
I got a tablet a while back and I got infinite painter for literally two dollars. It's feature rich and can do almost everything I do on a regular basis with Ps. Layer masks, adjustment layers, clipping layers... Loads.
It doesn't handle big batches like bridge and lr, but it's very powerful.
I ditched lr mobile and Ps mobile years ago.
But for big projects, I stick with my bread and butter that I have been using for 20+ years.
@@eschelar Microsoft allowed pirating as well. If everyone has Windows on their home computers then industries will want the same software because most people are familiar with it. Microsoft make their money on government/business licenses.
@@fredflintstone8569 yup. 100%. With windows 10 they even had provisions for people who had pirated earlier versions that they could upgrade for free for several months. You could literally set up a system with pirated win7 and get a legitimate copy of win10.
I didn't do that myself because it made the wrong version and I'm a win10 ltsb/ltsc guy, but I know people that did it.
Adobe got really "lucky" by putting in tons of work and being one of the earliest and best when it came to photo editing - Photoshop has always been their golden goose and no other photo editing program can even come close to it, sadly. Why haven't the competition caught up? Pushed out of the market? Hindered by patents and copyright?
Norton and McAfee have been crap for over 20 years. Back then, I was a computer tech and the amount of effort that it took to clean up the mess they left (god help you if it crashed during install) was insane. Calling them resource hogs is an understatement.
Yup totally agree. However in most, but not all cases the Mcafee and Norton removal tools usually do a pretty good job cleaning them off when the uninstaller fails.
I had to reinstall windows XP for a guy after he put 98 Norton on it. Don't use I told him. 2 hrs later. It doesn't work. I booted in safe mode. He had reinstalled Norton. I said "you're on your own" He took it to a shop and paid £100.
@@markenetube My worst one was this guy who bought Norton at Walmart, installed it on his Windows ME, and it crashed during install. So he tried it again. Crash. Finally brought it to my shop, and this was before they put out their tools. It took me hours to clean it out of the registry, it wrote itself to an ungodly number of places. I installed a different AV for him, told him to see if he could get a refund. McAfee was just a major resource hog.
@@markenetube
To be fair back in the XP days there was no built in security so it was typical to install a third party solution. But yes even back then Norton and Mcafees security suites could mess up an XP machine at the drop of a hat. Back then I always told my customers to stay away the suites and stick with most basic versions of these programs.
so what is a good virusscanner ? Is window security enough ?
My gf's mom had so many "bars" from installed applications in her browser that the actual window was half the size lol.
There was a meme of that sort of thing.
I can understand this...
@@noneyabizz8337 if you uninstall all the applications then you
I’ve seen this, yahoo bar…
I used to work in the Fry's service center repairing computers and we always had competitions on who got the computer with the most malware, spyware, viruses, and took bars installed
Working in Computer Sales, One of the most interesting things i found with Norton was that, i ran another antivirus while Norton was on the PC as well. It got a hit saying that there was a virus hidden in Norton. This made sense as a heap of customers were getting virus on their computers once the Norton subscription had run out. Some hadn't even been on the internet and the virus popped up from nowhere.
A competitor doing that makes a lot of sense, I'd say.
@@Educated2Extinction AV software is intrusive, all of them should flag each other. So, it does make sense.
my grandfather was held hostage on his computer because of norton they made him pay a ransom to get his login back.
Some virus-scan told windows is harmful.
@@PexiTheBuilder Can't say that's entirely wrong.
First thing that I uninstall when I buy a new Dell is McAffee... thank you for vindicating this! 🙂
I don't even click links in emails I do trust. Financial places I go directly to them and log in, just in case.
Bank's just shouldn't use links in their messaging, and traint user's that their messages don't have links
Yep, I do the same.
I got sent an email from CaixaBank saying my data had been lost and I had to create another password, and I was like "hold on, I don't even have a CaixaBank account, these morons tried to scam me"
Truth. Don't use links, use URLs and history. Heck, even your bookmarks are somewhat safer than links.
This is the way.
My Mum just bought a $1400 laptop, then got talked into paying for norton and office.
The first thing I did was uninstall Norton, then she told me she paid for it...
I told her next time don't buy a computer without me.
Some of my friends, relatives and co-workers ask me for advice when it comes to PC and IT in general. Some of them diregard my advice and then come to me for help. I do help them of course. By their choice they learn the lesson the hard way and next time they do listen to me and do what I say. If not, I refuse to help them anymore.
windows defender is good enough than paid any anti virus
@@indrahaseo exactly my idea, I havent ever used extra antivirus or boosters or whatever, I clean installed my laptop because I couldnt uninstall any of them
@@jurgenmeriste6794 yes indeed, I understand how you feel that cannot uninstall of them completely but no choice to format everything and reinstall windows
@@jurgenmeriste6794 Yes indeed, I understand how you feel because of that program or booster
Thanks for this. I've been a PC tech since 1996, and clients NEVER EVER listen to me about avoiding spurious websites. And then they call me when their PC is toast. Oh well, their ignorance keeps me in business.
The 1st Comps I was ever let loose on, were Apple IIe's & Apple II's running BASIC on a monochrome screen. This was between 89-91 when I was in Elementary School. The Thang I member doin the most was, yupp U guessed it,
"The Oregon Trail."
I feel lucky, my Mom is paranoid enough to not click _any_ link in an email, without asking me to check it first.
Same with my mom.
The good old hey-son-antivirus
@@PerticaJrthe most reliable 😂
Same. 😂 I think I’ve drilled that into my parents’ head well enough that they always have me check things if they’re not sure if they should click something.
Same
I'm so glad you discussed Norton and McAfee. I've told people to stay away from those for 20 years.
So what should people use then?
@@Triforcebro nothing. Windows Defender is good enough
@@Triforcebro If you really want to add another layer to the system already built into Windows, then all I can say is "Do your research." All I can tell is that the last third party anti-virus program I used was "eset" - but I haven't used it in many years, so I can't vouch for how it operates today.
@@steveg1961 Eset and Malwarebytes is pretty good
@@Triforcebro Linux MInt :)
6:22 - I just want to thank you for actually being one of the extremely few large CZcamsrs to point this out. A company losing your data and lying about it is not a company you should be trusting.
Fantastic video overall and I agree with every single tip in this video (Surprisingly - I didn't expect to o_O)
Are you talking about the March 2018 breach disclosed in October 2019 where a hacker was able to obtain information only related to the data center server they accessed, but not any user credentials or histories? Or is there another one that I'm not aware of. Because this one was kind of a nothingburger, since they got 0 usable information.
@@greenad1993 "the March 2018 breach disclosed in October 2019" - If that in itself is not enough to make you stay a mile away from a security company - I don't know what will....
@@Reelix First, I'd like to invite you to let me know if you think it is within the realm of possibility that they were not immediately aware of a non-critical system of a third party vendor being remotely accessed. I already know the answer, but it seems you do not. Next, I'd like to invite you you let me know if you were aware that companies do not publicly disclose incidents like this without consulting with their legal team, in addition to any regulatory entities, who will be the ones giving the OK as to when it is appropriate to disclose information, usually after an investigation. Lastly, I would like to invite you to let me know if it is within the realm of possibility you know less about this situation from a professional and legal perspective than you think you do.
The FIRST general rule to avoid any scams (apart from never click on a link within an email) is, if you receive an email that says ANYTHING about being charged at all then call your credit card company and check your purchases THERE. Do not call any numbers they give you. Call the number on your statements. Basically, when checking, stick to things you know are reputable / real.
Or you could just use your common sense and never put any of your financial details online anywhere ever.
protip: whenever you receive a new PC prebuilt or not. Wipe the drive completely and reinstall. We've seen instances of machines shipping with malware on them from the get go. Be careful out there.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Windows
@@karmatraining this isnt even a windows tip, genuinely just start doing this.
Takes care of bloatware, takes care of any malware that might have shipped (assuming it's not one of those weird USB configuring ones), just gives you a clean system in general. The one caveat is that it won't take care of anything in the firmware. If you're buying a cheap Chinese microcomputer, be very careful as what happens in the UEFI is anyone's guess.
@@karmatraininglol windows being shit is my entire business so it's love and hate for me
I do not over clock but use msi afterburner to control the fans on my msi 4080. The msi center program just does not seem to have a connection to the fans but does a fine job controlling the fan lighting. So I'm kinda forced to run 2 msi programs....
This is freaky, I work at Mattress Firm, and I literally talked to a lady about an email that she got from "Norton" saying they were charging her $500 for her subscription. I told her DON'T CALL THAT NUMBER! And then I watch this video...
Do you work at one of those weird Mattress Firms that is inexplicably directly across the street from another Mattress Firm?
@ZeusTheIrritable Not anymore, but I did once. The reason for that happening was because Mattress Firm bought a lot of other mattress retailers, but the lease on that store was for a set number of years. As a company, we are slowly fixing that problem.
@@jandecoleman1 Damn. I was hoping to hear that there was genuinely that much demand for mattresses in certain places that it necessitated multiple stores in one location. Or, that it was a front for some huge drug cartel.
@@ZeusTheIrritable Hiding the money under the mattress 🤣
I love how your comment was at the top of the list for me, and we have the same profile picture XD
Bloatware is precisely why I built my own PC. I get to have full control over what's in and what goes on my system at all times. The only real exception is when Windows re-installs stuff I don't actually need, but I can always remove 'em one way or another, whether it's using an uninstaller or just deleting it through powershell
So true I used to remove Norton from peoples computers 20 years ago because it slowed them down back then nothing has changed except i no long volenteer to clean up peoples PC'S after they have downloaded loads of crap they swear is good for their PC. Fixing my Parents computers was also a thankless stressful task, I really feel what you are saying Lol. Great Advice and A breath of fresh air.
"YOU ARE A PROGRAMMER. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS SH**." absolutely sent me 🤣 people are so funny
Yeah. People should start going beyond a simple “programmer” classification in colloquial terms. It’s just too broad. I’ve had friends who are spectacular engineers in very specific programming areas wondering if a vpn connection would lower their latency to a server.
The most hilarious ones are the "RAM defragmenters" They do nothing but fill up the rest of the RAM by allocating every single bit left and then just dump it all at once. Like if that's doing anything meaningful.
@@somebodysomeone23 Yes, everybody has their own strong suits and weaknesses. I dont think the problem is with the term though, there are plenty of people who call themselves mechanics, and could fix a really obscure problem in your Truck but may not know a damn about a motorbike or how a bicycle gear works.
@@somebodysomeone23 Hmm, tbh that's a legit question, and the answer is yes, it will lower the latency to a server if the routing is pretty bad to begin with.
@@SviatoslavDamaschin nope
For the VPN discussion. ISPs won't block VPN connections in general because that would create huge issues as most businesses use VPNs on some level including for people who work remotely. They might block specific VPN providers, but any halfway decent provider would be able to change the systems that are blocked creating a headache for any ISP blocking them. Also incognito mode doesn't stop anyone from sniffing network traffic, only a tunnel of some kind like a VPN will. It is easy to setup your own VPN for use like when traveling or on public WiFi and there are plenty of guides for that either a VPN to your home network, or to something like AWS or linode or any other hosting provider, that type of setup can be cheap or free and at least protect you on public WiFi networks.
I agree with this, I adamantly despise how vpn adverts advertise as being more secure. Which is complete bs and not how vpn works. A government can force a vpn to hand over its data so I am trusting the provider as well as my isp to handle my data securely.
If I really wanted to use a vpn setting up my own vpn is a lot better either using cloud or to a home network as then I am in control of the data and access to it and it's less likely to be targeted
@@pgpython yes, on some level you have to trust a provider somewhere, VPN provider, ISP, cloud provider, hosting provider, or other. Somewhere along the way someone will see the traffic. It is all about who in the path you trust with that information. While there are many shady VPN providers, ISPs in the US at least have been known to be absolutely horrible about selling the data for all of their customers, injecting their own ads into websites and providing data to any law enforcement or government request without requiring a warrant or court order. From what I have seen even marginal VPN services are typically better than that, but there are good ones that don't do any of those things, but you have to research to find them.
They try, especially wireless internet providers, work always has issues with T-Mobile and their shenanigans
Also T-Mobile only supports IPv6 for hot spot on most personal accounts, may be regional, so can't connect to our VPN, and work won't roll out IPv6 for a couple more years
@@z0phi3l most mobile networks due to the nature of mobile connections use IPv6 and/or carrier grade NAT, both will interfere with VPN connections if the VPN was not setup to account for that. It is not specifically trying to block VPNs, it is just technology that is needed for the mobile networks to work properly and VPNs not being updated to account for that technology. Most VPNs work fine with that, just older setups might run into issues.
Yeah, I guess people mistake being blocked by websites when using VPN as being blocked by their ISPs. Because what usually will happen when you use a VPN from such a "provider" that also a lot malicious actors will use that VPN and you will have the same IPs and just be blocked by servers, because it's very common to immediately block IPs for at least 24h from which a potential attack was detected. When I look in my blocklist log of my server it's 90% blocked IPs because of attacks by either Tor exit nodes or one of the bigger VPN providers. And of course everyone using those with no harmful intent will be blocked too.
Love the way you ended this. I have tons more Respect due to your analogy.. Keep Rockin it.
Fun Fact: You can set up your own vpn through AWS or pretty much any virtual server in pretty much any country on the planet. Safer and much harder for anyone to detect that it's a VPN since it's only you or people you let use it.
My dad is not that old and despite having moved on, he worked with computers a lot when he was younger. Back when we only had a family computer we had to share, you would not believe how hard I fought with him because he kept installing three different anti virus and then complained the pc was slow
😭💀
Pain. Once had mcaffee installed on my old laptop and it was so hard to get rid off completly with windows 7
@@ToxicMothBoi😂😂😂 Windows! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did you notice, the antivirus programs often identify the other anti virus programs viruses that have been isolated, as active viruses. That was the day I discovered Norton Antivirus program was useless junkware.
John McAfee had almost nothing to do with the Anti-Virus-Suite since 1994, after he stepped down in the company and esp. in 1997, when he sold the company.
And in the later years, he used to tell people not to install it.
It's still terrible.
He was actually an interesting guy, who might have been "offed". Although he was nuts.
I used mcafee webadvisor toolbar in the 2000s and it was okay but lots of false negatives like flash games sites came up as dangerous. Haha remember toolbars 😂😊
And in the later years he said he was embarrassed by the products carrying his own name.
I have an internet base "Free" phone number that I use to call those email scam numbers, unfortunately there are just a few scam centers and most of them hang up on me now before I can get 3 or 4 words out.
You're right with your perspective in this video, that's refreshing to find.
I've known Norton and McCafee were terrible for years now, it is so refreshing seeing someone here talking about it. They are both insane. ty
BonziBuddy not mentioned, we're so back BonziBros
Rest in piss. Forever miss.
I understand there is a current version of Bonzai Buddy, but it's ineffective on today's Windows versions.
Man I remember that tutorial by Ramzi on how to pirate Bonzi Buddy. That’s how I got it back in the day.
Back to monke
@@Dave01Rhodes Ah yes. Ramzi lol. "Let's download some ware-ez". You just reminded me of Kevin Rose from those videos. I wonder what he's up to nowadays.
I remember around 2010 I had a new laptop and read that the camera could be turned on without the owner's knowledge.
I removed the program, it was re-installed, I removed it again, etc. That was shocking and a revelation of how constantly users were even then being data collected and spied on.
I had already covered the lens but I wanted it off my computer. I also stuck silly putty over the microphone to mute it.
Put a piece of tape over the camera.
@@jeddiajones4570 That was the same advice a politician said ages ago. My camera lights up with a green light when on but I still point it to the ceiling when not in use.
You can disable it in the BIOS. Disable Intel ME (Intel "safety" features LOL), too if you can while at it. And then put a tape over it and the mic for just in case. ;)
I just bought a laptop with no camera.
@@denisgraham2484 Some people get the laptops from work and have to use them. You can't change anything on them. The black electricians tape and silly putty are probably your best bet in those cases. You can take them off and clean it up relatively easily, and reapply just as easily. Even if you're fired, they can't say you damaged the equipment because of how easily it is to remove it. A hair dryer will ensure the tape and tackiness come off clean.
I love his internal frustration just talking, the temple rubbing. So relatable. Also Revo uninstaller is kinda neat.
I'm so glad you made this video. I was debating whether I should download RAM or not, and now I know it's safe or you would have mentioned it 😊
"the best way to not have to worry about wrapping your Jimmy is knowing where you're putting it is clean."
Sage advice, Jay.
put that on a t-shirt lol
It was a bit specific.
"Don't stick it in if you know it's a sin!"
After 2 ex wives you can NEVER be sure where you put it IS clean!
It's the truth. I had a nice lady from a place that we won't say gives massages say "Hey, I like you. Next time if you want to skip the protection." That was an instant nope! I like my life like my PC. I only play what I want how I want. The slightly safe sometimes crazy way.
i was one of those people who installed four free antiviruses at once. i don't remember what they were, but Avast was one of them. i thought it would give my machine a boost and give me four layers of protection. i learned the hard way why i couldn't play video games above 16 frames.
Avast is the name Jay was looking for when he said the program started with an "A".
Thank You for Your Help with all Things Desktop, Jay.
I've done my time using almost everything you mentioned, lol (except the shopping extensions).
VPN's never worked for me because the internet here is trash, and the speed drop while connected made it unusable. I've seen the trail of little data packets left behind when you 'uninstall' some of these programs, and the cost of them just spiralled out of control. Thankfully, i believe I've learned from my mistakes.
Man! So glad to see somebody calling out all of this garbage! A shop I contract repair work for deals with this on a daily basis, and people will actually push back thinking that we're giving them bad advice about these junk programs. It's a real pain some days.
Send them this video.
Heh a long time ago (23 years) I worked in Phone Tech support for Gateway Computers, and this was even then a constant issue to the point we had a canned response "WE DON'T PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, YOU INSTALL IT AT YOUR OWN RISK" if certain software was found on a customers PC they would be asked to uninstall it, if they refused it ended our support and we could close the call.
LOL! This video has several instances of misinformation, half truths, and even some flat out lying.
My own Norton story - about 12 year ago I went to work in an accountants office as a junior accountant, I was given a computer with Norton installed on it, which was so old and slow that after typing several words I had to stop for a few seconds and let the computer catch up. I talked to my boss about this and he agreed to buy new computers for the entire office as they were all getting a little long in the tooth. Preparing for the new machines I backed up everything before deleting and reformatting the hard drives to make sure nothing would be recoverable.
Norton was one of the first things I deleted and the performance increased to such a degree that if it were not present when I first started I probably would never of complained. I did not tell the boss about it at the time because those new computers were really needed. When the new computers arrived I also told him not to use Norton and he ended up shelling out for a proper anti virus program as well.
I purchased Norton for security. All it did for me was was turn on Microsoft security and use it to run a security scan. It is a rip off.
what anti virus would you recommend? just for home use
@@enochroot9438Windows Defender is all most people need.
@@enochroot9438 I have been using Trend Micro for a few years now. It works pretty well for me but I haven't done any comparisons in a while so you will want to find someone a bit more knowledgeable.
@@enochroot9438Windows Defender and commonsense is usually sufficient. If you want a third-party solution, Kaspersky is currently highly rated in the detection stats.
The best VPN is build in to Opera. For free is enabled US region. And US region is more than enough for all the information you want to get.
For example - In Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia is restricted to check what is going on in Russia. VPN in Opera with US region removes these restrictions.
The hp preinstalled antivirus bloatware quarantined Microsoft edge. Not only that, the control panel for it wasn’t installed correctly, so it was a huge pain to fix it.
Agree with everything apart from the VPN advice. Here in the UK if you travel to anywhere in Europe they are almost mandatory if you want to continue watching your streaming services. A VPN and an adblocker are the two things I would always have.
Yeah, if they're encrypting your data that doesn't mean they have access to it. Especially if the encryption is happening on your machine. He also said for public WiFi "stay in incognito mode" but that literally does nothing to hide your data.
Yep agreed. It’s one thing to not recommend a specific company like NordVPN, but to propose that VPN providers are boogeymen out to steal your data is ridiculous.
He wasn't against VPN's in and of themselves, just that some of them are basically doing what you're trying to get around and you're paying for them to do it in some cases, hence his advice to do some proper research on them.
I agree VPN is a tool you need. But there are very big differences between the different VPN´s.
The best i found is Proton VPN that don't have access to your personal data and everything is transparent so the actual VPN code is published for everyone to look at.
So no filthy things are in their code. Highly recommended.
@@pwnograffik Part of the VPN is issue is a lot of them are actually owned by the same few companies, and depending on which report you believe roughly 1/3 to 1/2 of the VPNs on the market currently tie back to State-affiliated Chinese company ownership.
Not saying those products are being used by the providing companies for extensive data capture, but there have been a lot of creditable reports strongly suggesting it's a more common issue than may be openly discussed.
So an easy rule to remember is from the Richard Serra quote, "If something is free, you're the product"
Boom!
"Arasaka would like to know your location" ...
The Stupendium - data stream
Goddamit now I have that earworm again
Unless it's open source. Then you're a beta tester.
@@LastofAvari Oh, that's beautiful!
Not if you crack that program
THANK YOU FOR THIS. MADE THER MISTAKEUSING AVAST TO ORGANIZE AND CLEAN OUT MY PC AND IT BROKE EVERYTHING SO I HAD TO USE REVO TO GET RID OF IT AND RESET EVERYTHING TO BRING IT TO WORKING CONDITION
My Spousal Unit works in IT and the first thing he does on any of our new computers or any of our friends and family is to take of Norton and Macafee.
Talk about Bloatware? Adobe. Expensive and crappy customer service. But as a photographer, it's got what I need.
I did find a good Adobe acrobat alternative called PDF Gear. I haven't had any issues with it.
Thank you for a great video.
Thanks for this. My dad's no longer around to advise me. Until he was 84 he was still building his own computers. He hated pretty much everything that came along after DOS (sort of joking here) He was so frustrated with all the extraneous stuff that was built into or added on to computers. I, as his 72 year old daughter am extremely careful and have my computers built to specifications I choose. And I don't use Google!
You are commenting on a CZcams video and you have a user name. Surprise! You are using Google! I guess you didn't know Google bought CZcams ages ago!
@@jazzcatt😂
@@jazzcattLMAOOOOO
Google is so ubiquitous, I don't think anyone can get away from using it in one form or another if they're on the internet often. And if you can, more power to you!
@@jazzcatt I try not to use Google, but Google won't allow it.
Have you noticed the decline of CZcams since Google bought it - I'm slowly drifting to other platforms.
Their search engine is nothing of the sort - it's like the old phone books, and only those who have paid (and have the right kind of politics) will be included.
Gmail is acceptable.
Maps is probably the best feature it offers.
Great video - Thanks
Microsoft Onedrive. I use this. Tip: remove it from your list of software to run at start up. When you want to sync your data to the cloud run it. Then exit again. It will then not be running in the background using up resources.
Agree 100%
I'd even suggest logging in via website rather than installing OneDrive. Great storage option and a lot of space for free for most people storing pics or docs
And you can automate it with rclone ... I use rclone + a crontab to backup my project every night in the middle of the night. It supports quite a few cloud providers (I'm using mega, but you could also use box, dropbox, gdrive, onedrive, aws, etc).
Need to run a LIVE CD distro of Linux to navigate the the protected folder where the OneDrive installer lives (Windows\WinSxS). Only way to truly remove it is deleting the installer to begin with. Same with all the WinApps. Delete all the crap during a Win install and the bloat/spyware won't be there to begin with. Especially that Cortana c^!*.
Takes a few extra min to sort the seeds, but then you won't be pulling any weeds.
Memory booster. It doubled the 6 MB of RAM using active compression with the 'fuel' gauge that indicated how much more memory do you have. In actuality it didn't do a single thing of any kind except show you the dashboard showing that it's working.
Man, your dad is my dad. 99% accurate description (minus the programmer part). Just looking at his main pc's desktop with shortcuts to all kinds of installed crapware programs makes me cry. 😆
I absolutely feel your pain about optimizers. Doesn't matter how often I ask him not to, my dad will occasionally install those "PC cleaner and optimizer" on his laptop. He'll also install three of them side by side, and then ask me why his system is running slow. Fun fact - one of them once wiped a bunch of his documents.
Great joke. Yes, regular Windows users just install random crap regularly. Many of them don't even realise when they install them. When I ask "what's this for?" it's usually "I don't know..."
Maybe...he's trying to drive you *crazy!*
@@user-lf3kr1nq2d "but it came for free on this software magazine cd" 🙄
Yup. Norton and McAfee are the epitome of "you die the hero or you live long enough to become the villain." That's my secret, Cap...I *am* the virus.
Time for revenge for taking away the keys to the car when you were a teen because you might do something stupid. 😆
It's really great that big CZcamsrs are speaking the truth. I'm a developer and when you see how much damage bad virus scanners do to the economy in the form of lost productivity, I estimate the damage to be x times greater than that caused by viruses themselves. Backup systems and good hardware firewalls are much more efficient here.
Nord VPN must have pulled his funds 😂
Hardware firewall? I didn't know that was still a thing. Don't wifi routers do the same thing?
Speaking the truth? LMAO! There are several instances of misinformation, half truths, and even some flat out lies in this video.
Isnt Norton a creator of some the viruses??
@@MrStevemurI'm hoping this dev can give us examples of h/w firewalls.
Informative, ty.
When u mentioned HDD's, I did not feel old myself but my pc sure deed. Edit: great analogies.
Just wanted to drop a thank you for your videos and a hope all the best for you and yours, really apreciate you being honest about shit
I stayed to the very end and was NOT disappointed. Great video!
Oh, remember my struggles uninstalling Norton many years ago. I am pretty tech savvy, but that almost bested me!
That one and McAfee antivirus. Those programs are like cancer on a pc. They put files everywhere that don't go away just because you uninstall the program.
You clearly never found out the single Norton uninstaller tool that has been around for absolutely years. Run it and it uninstalls all of the Norton software. Not very tech savvy after all are you ?....😅😅😅
Idk how many times I have tried to fix a client's computer, can't figure out why it's not working, and then see Norton is preventing me from doing something basic, like sharing a printer. And you can't uninstall it, because it belongs to the customer, and they probably wasted money on it.
RevoUninstaller will scan for loose files and delete it ALL.
I remember when it kept telling me, it could not delete stuff, because the process was still running, so i renamed random files, so the processes would crash, since i had no idea what task manager was or how to uninstall programs.
Yep I had to be done with Norton. Loved them 10 years ago but now they started slowing me down and pop ups.
Forgeting to include the link to the uninstaller video is a fumble Jay, ur lucky I'm gonna look for that video anyway ❤.
Great advice. Whenever I buy a new machine the first thing I do is wipe the hard drive and re-instal windows. Simple.
THIS. They've made it so easy to do a fresh install these days compared to back on 95/98, virtually anyone can do it.
and how do you reclaim the paid windows and office there? seriously asking
@@elesissieghart Machines that came with Windows pre-installed used to have stickers with the product key somewhere on them, or maybe somewhere in the rest of the packaging. You can usually use that. These days, the key is saved to a special place that won't be affected when you wipe the hard drive (ie the BIOS or UEFI), so when you reinstall it it finds that key and reuses it.
With Office, likewise they used to use stickers somewhere in the packaging, but nowadays it's tied to your Microsoft account. As long as you sign in with the same email, you'll still have access to your programs.
(CZcams refused to show this comment on my screen so if you're seeing two copies of the same comment, blame them. Sorry bout that.)
@@elesissieghartinstall openoffice. Just as good imo.
@@elesissieghart Try Linux Mint. A full working office suite is included for free. Since I did 12 years ago, I have not spent a dime on software since. I did donate to Linux for the software, but that was optional.
Very brave of Jay to do this. These guys will never sponsor him. Guess he has moral fiber and is not a shill. Thanks for giving us the honest truth Jay.
Nord used to sponsor him lol
Jay would never accept a sponsor from them anyways so no loss.
@@andyinfared Yep. And he dropped them as soon as their trust was lost. He did a complete talking head video on this if I remember correctly.
He is quite the hypocrite though talking about spyware while running windows and edge.
@@MegaLokopo Don't use any browser that uses Chromium if that's what your comment is going to be.
The data breach at Nord VPN was not her VPN itself but her customer records instead, No vpn data was comprimised.
To me the more worrying thing is that AG's mobile protection software couldn't work along side Nord because Nord required Google analytics to work. That means that Nord was actually taking at least some data meaning it's not private
I started on an DEC LSI-11 and an original IBM-PC DOS then Windows 3.1. Wrote dissertation on DOS Wordstar!
So true about Norton, constantly pestering to PURCHASE MORE MODULES.
The bloatware was so bad on my friends brand new laptop that it literally took 15 minutes to start, that is not an exaggeration. He wanted me to see if I could do anything and I didn't think it was bloatware but a problem with the computer itself. Well after doing a full backup image, then installing windows clean, it started like it was nuthin. I couldn't believe it, a mainstream PC store was selling a line of laptops with bloatware so bad it makes a brand new laptop start up for 15 minutes before you can do anything. This was in 2011.
Bloatware and single channel ram are normal laptop traits when you buy a new laptop these days
I'm willing to bet millions of dollars it didn't literally take 15 minutes to boot
@@Suyneej it could with a old enough drive that was slow enough it could seriously take 15 minutes to boot mech drive do slow down over time so it's possible that one could slow down enough to slow down windows boot so it took 15 minutes
@@Suyneej An HDD with a ton of bloatware installed? Yep, that's possible.
It's been like that for a while. I used to work for an outsourced call center that took calls for a well known warehouse retailer. I'd get customers who would call in the same day after buying thier pcs complaining about pop-ups and virus alerts. It was always bloatware. We just walked them through a factory reset. A lot of customers just returned them, though.
100% on Norton and McAfee. It can take several hours to fully get rid of them.. Or so you think they are gone.. lol
Just for a new Lenovo laptop from my employer, and it had McAfee pre-installed on it. We un-installed McAfee since that's not the anti-virus we use, and we STILL get McAfee pop-ups daily saying our protection is expired. It's the software that won't go away.
Gotta love the ending thought of this video 🤣🤣 Also remember being brought up from quite a long time ago to never EVER install Norton or McAfee, I think apart from anything else from what I heard they always seemed to have a ridiculous amount of bloatware.
These are the same recomendations I've been giving people for years.
Thank you, for verifying from a trusted source.
I've watched hundreds of your videos, never commented, but I'm a subscriber. i feel i have to comment today though. That's the best ending ever to any tech video i have ever seen..
I have actually told my customers similar stories.
Best ending to a video EVER! And lots of good info before it.
All good to hear I get so fed up with mc Afie's ads. I certanly dont how many umpteen times influencers have promoted apps like honey. I am so grateful for your sound and informed advice. Thank you Jay two cents
Adobe Acrobat Updater is practically a virus. There are so many software installers that by default will install Adobe Acrobat Reader and the updater. If you uninstall Acrobat, the updater is still running and puts it back. I've seen PCs with like 10 disabled acrobat updaters in the startup.
Adobe requires connection to up to 38 Web sites to run its own updater. Try running that through Cabs for a locked down firewall...
Yep - pretty much all pdf readers - just use your browser
can you explain that to more mate, I'm not well versed in that @@lightwoven5326
I have managed fine with Foxit for some time, at least when I need to make changes/edits/form-fill. It is free and I never see anything from it unless I open it. They even have an option to disable their ad banner in settings. xD
Yeah, I use the full version at work allot and because of this I have a "unlocked" version at home, an old one, and the amount of blocks in .host file and such needed to keep the updater or other away is a pain in the A.
You’re a true IT guy right there! I’m sure you can imagine how many PC’s I “fixed” that had most of all that crap you mentioned.
LMAO! The video has several instances of misinformation. half truths, and even some flat out lying.
@@needsmoreclipping you gonna provide examples? case its basic but its not wrong
@@kalackninja Yep. Very disappointed in this video. For example, saying that all shopping extensions are bad is a total lie. CamelCamelCamel is awesome as is Rakuten.
He also talks about using Incognito Mode on public Wi-Fi. Why...? Incognito Mode has nothing to do with the security of public Wi-Fi.
He's literally talking out of his rear for half of it. If he wanted to be helpful he would point out alternatives. For example, using Bitdefender's free version or just Microsoft Defender, instead of Norton.
@@kalackninja Sure. I can do that. Have my granddaughter today so I'll go through the video again later tonight, take notes, then post back.
@@needsmoreclipping replying so yt informs me if you actually do it
Norton Commander was great though, used that a lot during DOS times.
We got our first computer in 1982. It was a Commodore 64SX, the 35lb laptop with a 5" monitor.
"I don't like being tracked." Says the man with the Microsoft Copilot icon in the lower right corner of his screen. 😂
Copilot is an incredible AI tool, one of the best out there
@@DandyDandy No lol
Windows literally installs Copilot with an auto update, though. It's not like Windows users have any say on what MS bloats the operating system with.
Everytime there's an update, I Google for a way to disable whatever bloat "feature" they add. I bet most gamers would gain like 15-20 fps on average if Microsoft actually released a barebone version of Win 11.
@@DandyDandy and you what? shiling for microsoft?
Hey jay. I just wanted to say. I know this isn’t relevant to you or anyone here. But watching your videos have helped me tremendously with my mental health. Dealing with life and difficult things. I always find myself here watching your videos and it brings me comfort as a pc guy myself. I’m not the smartest with them but I do learn everyday. And I wanted to say thank you. Ik you don’t know me. But In this weird way your videos have helped save my life. Much love brother and keep it up
I get it. When I was struggling through PTS and couldn't relate to other people, video games with NPC companions helped me rebuild my social skills and my ability to care about something. They were a major therapeutic tool for me.
I hear you! Just keep plugging away at daily life, and keep learning! When you are at rock bottom, you can only go up. I'm not the smartest either, but I've been doing this stuff since 1990, and knowledge is your best friend. Just keep doing what you do. Other people will appreciate you.
Outstanding. If you ever want to go deep into learning and how these suckers run, I can help. I keep tech reference manuals as they are my sanity and helpers.
Give this guy more likes so Jay can see this.
My feelings exactly; it has also helped me.
3:41 - this depends. I have Proton setup on my home server through wireguard and it gives me nearly 90% of the rated speed of my ISP, which is much better than most of the devices get on WiFi. I pay for Proton for their email and they just happen to bundle VPN with that, which explains why I get good speeds. I torrent a boatload of stuff, so I definitely need it. Your mileage may vary.
Thank you for the great video. So which antivirus program is you favorite these days?
I’m impressed your Dad could actually run both Norton and McAffe. They used to not even run after the other was installed because of the mess they left in the registry!
PUP-ware really needs to be talked about today. Remarkable how much crap that used to come with an app and the uninstaller was even a junk PUP that would install other crap while you removed an app.
havent watched u since quarantine this was a nostalgic treat
I had a friend who use to work for Norton. He said they would work of virus protection in the day and make viruses when he is off work!
Oh man. I work in a computer repair shop and have identical advice for countless customers. Idk why I even watched the video.. may just to know that even one other person has some sense out there!
Unrelated, that send off was perfect. Keep doing what you do man!
you so smart omggg you work in a computer repair shop. That's like the hardest IT job out there am I right?
Thank god you and one other person has sense in this world!
Jokes aside, your comment reflects how little you think of other people while actually not being anything great yourself.
As a programmer, I'm getting paid more than you will ever get with your overhours, while I only have to write a few lines of code per day. "Thank god I have sense in this world unlike others"
@@randokaratajev2617 Christ, get a therapist dude.
What kind of PSU's does your shop use? A local place by me has been scamming people by using crappy 300 watt psus in their builds. The other components are actually fine, but the crappy psu guarantees failure or instability forcing people to pay for diagnostic and repair down the road. A relative used them and replacing the psu was the fix. It booted, but was unstable.
@@randokaratajev2617 Hahaha, why so heated?! Poor guy was just expressing his gratitude
@@_PatrickO We spec out all kinds, but Seasonic is probably the best on the market right now. The new MSi MAG PSUs look promising too, with a 10 year warranty.
What are you running in your PC for hardware?
Jay always says that a specific link will be included in the description box and guess what, it’s NEVER there. This happens EVERY TIME and I’ve been watching this channel for sometime now.
It is honestly driving me crazy, come on Jay!
@@jessicalawson1417 I don’t think it’s Jays fault here, I think it’s Phil, he does the editing and so he should be including them but then again as he’s forgotten then it’s Jays fault, he should remind him or have it written so that Phil remembers to include it.
PHHIILLLLLL WHEATON!
PHILLLLL!!!!
TBF on this one in particular he mentioned they crashed their site last time by doing this, I guess he didn't put 2 and 2 together in the moment and decided after the fact that maybe lets not do that again, or at least not this soon lol...
Paretologic's 'anti-virus' completely destroyed one of my Windows installations years ago and I eventually gave up trying to fix the damage it did.
love this im like your dad im always fighting with this laptop i have no idea what im doin lol i have prescribed to your channel knowing im in good hands with you ...thank you
It’s nice to hear you talking about online security. A lot of people done know about this and get scammed even smart people get scammed. My boyfriend actually works with people and teaches them how to be more secure online and he says a lot of the same things you did.
As a fellow computer nerd, give your boyfriend a high five or bro-fist for me. I do my best to educate people on the vulnerabilities and best practices when it comes to online safety, I feel it's extremely important for people to know in this day n age. Glad to know I'm not the only one looking out for those folks
Wow! I've been telling people not to use these software apps for years, and it's good to see supporting comments that will reach more audiences.
Same here dude. I worked in the tech sector for years & you would not believe the problems that arose from Norton, caffeine & bloatware.
People would get so pissed off with me because they seen Norton as a hugely successful antivirus. If it's huge, it must be good.
I once had the time to show someone how badly it wove itself through the registry & they were totally shocked.
It wouldn't surprise me if they installed rootkits with their AV suites.
Prebuilds were always a nightmare.
I had mcafree preinstalled on my pc when I bought it.
I had to relaunch my PC in safe mode to get rid of all it's files. Even task manager couldn't stop them from running despite EVERYTHING ELSE having been wiped from my pc.
Best ending to a video I've seen/heard in a long time!! Now, if I could just get Husband to stop clicking on every thing that pops up on his Chromebook, Mama would be a happy wife...
You were right! I run a very lean system in my production studio because audio and video programs are so resource-intensive. With Revo I got rid of a few old programs, rebooted, and my system is fast like new.
A Dave Ramsey shout out and THAT outro, in the same video. This is what I love about Jay.
on your comment about shopping extensions. i would say it is okay to use if you disable it during normal operations and only enable it when you want to make a purchase. i don't need to have my data tracked all the time, if i want to purchase something turning it on during the checkout process to see what discount it can give me, if any, is what i think an acceptable use case.
I likes when one drive was not included on everything.
I used to only put pictures in it back when i think that was the only and files.
Now it's stupid, i clicked dont sync and it moved my whole computer to the recycle bin.
All my files, games everything besides Windows stuff.
And it also took files out of folders and left the folders empty in the recycle bin.
I hate one drive lol