Jehovah's Witnesses Crazy "Overlapping Generation" Teaching
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- In 1984, Jehovahs Witnesses claimed that those alive in 1914 "will never die" since they were the generation that Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24:34. Since their 1914 prophecy has failed, here is Governing Body member David Splane trying to claim that when Jesus said "this generation" he really meant TWO overlapping generations.
This is why they didn’t want us to go to college - if you are preaching to the minimally educated, they will get to a point in the explanation where they just decide that its complexity reveals its truth.
There's an easier way to understand this: We've been wrong all along and rather than admit it, we'll keep digging our holes deeper
This cult destroyed my family.
Don’t listen to the devil.
Sadly, there is no support for the 1914 teaching found anywhere in the Bible. It is going beyond what is written and a man-made doctrine.
For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against Kingdom. That seems reasonable. The food the quakes, etc... Affects more people than ever has. What would you say that script means.
@@s.d.s.4674 That has not happened yet. All eyes see Jesus when he comes.
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What Eric Wilson videos on the subject you'll learn a lot.
@@s.d.s.4674 can you explain the difference between contemporaries and generation I’ll do it for you contemporary as a person who is born in the same time, basically my grandmother was alive while my daughter, who is four years old right now is a live show because they were born in the same time before the other died. They are considered contemporaries, but in the Bible, it doesn’t say contemporaries it says generation, and a generation is my grandmothers generation and people around her age. Then my mothers generation people around her age then my generation people around my age in my daughters generation people around her age a contemporary can be up to 45 generations when the Bible says generation singular got generations plural, so how is it that individuals who did not see the sign in 1914 on now governing body members
@@s.d.s.4674that when Jesus was speaking to his APOSTLES THEY the apostles will witness these things which happened in 70 AD.1914 is something they predicted after the 3rd attempt so nothing special. Just wait another 20 years and maybe you will get it
That's right mate, there was no such things as war, famine or earthquakes before 1914!.
They never said those things didn't exist before 1914 their point is those things became worse unlike any time in human history which proves these are the last days.
@@arresttedrosadhanom741 Let's begin that WW1 wasn't the war with most casualties up to then. . The war was around the globe but not with most casualties. Bubonic plague alone killed 2x more people than WW1.
Let's go further and let's talk about the average income of global population: Was there any time in history when obesity would be such a problem ? Life expectancy would be around 75 years old? Working 5 days a week ? Traveling for holidays? Eating meat any time they want? Was there any time in history for someone to be judged with crimes against humanity? Paying people not to work due to pestilence? Easily available medications? Taking shower every day? Massive outcry about slavery and pedophilia?
Honestly, tell me, is there any historical period of time you would prefer to live your whole life instead of living in the last days ? Maybe you would like to be an average village person during Babylonian, Assyrian, Dark Ages, Victorian time ? Or maybe you would love to be American Indian or African during colonial time ?
@@MrVeryfrost You talk as if i am defending them. That's a question you should ask them since i actually agree with the points you're making. I am just explaining what their beliefs are.
@@arresttedrosadhanom741 don't back down. You make perfect sense. You may not be trying to defend them... But your statement kinda says you agree with them. Logic.
@Arrest Tedros Adhanom but there's less wars, less famine and same amount of earthquakes
The JW bosses are ice-cold. Some how impressive how they glue everything together. This guy is not stupid! Just another heartless false prophet.
It's a matter of time untill they dismiss this and replace it with another nonsensical teaching when this teaching is proven false under the "new light" excuse.
It's mad how deluded people can be.
Really ?
Hahahaha, oh men am in stitches from
Laughter
Can’t wait for the 3rd generation overlap
What a load of boloney
7 is a perfect number, so maybe make it 7 generations ...
But on a more serious note: from his explanation we can draw conclusion the second generation must be annointed at the latest in 1992 in order to overlap with first generation. I assume annointed person is at least 18 years old and such person can live approx 80 years. That means we need to add 62 to 1992 and we arrive with year 2054. So the end should be no later than 2054, based on his logic.
Couldn't have said it better myself 😂
Don't count on it !!!
The planet is being trashed bang on time as foretold ( Revelation 11 : 18) !
Next up, Jehovah's wrath !
@@Stan_144 That gives them plenty of time to conjure up a new explanation.
@@georgiospartou5082
And what are you doing up in here? If I may ask , if the elders find out you are toast , finito ..
I loved the part when David Splane exclaimed his iconic catchphrase “it’s ‘splain’n time”
then splaned all over the place
What the actual fuck!?! A generation is not your contemporary most sociologists determine its years between parents and birth of their child(Ren) is one generation 🙄 Funny...next time my mom says I should be respect my spiritual heritage as a 3rd generation JW I will say oh no I'm still first generation cause I was alive with my grandparents times and that means we are contemporaries cause our generations overlap ...see it makes no sense! And since they're playing with semantics how about Jesus said THIS generation to his disciples at that time and not THAT generation which would be more appropriate if he was referencing some future folks from 1914
What a bunch of crap! They want other people to examine their religion but they won't examine their own. I know because my father is an elder and he won't even look at or listen to anything that contradicts his beliefs. Hypocrisy!
Frantz saw the sign and his nephew discovered the crap!
If you read what Jesus really said you will see he never said a word about 1914. He was talking about the temple in Jerusalem being destroyed. He was talking to his contemporaries. The temple was destroyed in the year 70.
The end of the Jewish system of things and the age of temple and sacrifice came to the end with the temple destroyed in the year 70. Jesus is the temple and sacrifice now.
10:25 - I hope J-Dubs remember these words when the Governing Body changes the Overlapping Generation teaching.
They wont. The cult will manipulate them. If this was changed back in the 50s they would have lost many but they change when the older ones die off and there is no one to remember the old bull shit of the end coming in 1914,1916,1918,1925,1951,1975
Not enough time, as the Earth is being trashed bang on time ( Revelation 11 : 18)
Next up, Jehovah's wrath !!
@@georgiospartou5082 - If Jehovah existed, your works may have some weight.
The timeline graph is priceless!
Thank you!!!!! Lmbo!! 😂 😂 😂
Every time I watch this "explanation" I get more confused! Could it possibly be, brother Splane, that the truth about the word, "generation" is exactly what all J.W.'s up to November 1995 understood to be true! And that means your current, convoluted "new light" is total B.S.! In a few years' time it is going to be SO interesting to hear your "even newer light" to explain the passing of the 1914 overlapping generation!
Yes brother Franz finished his earthly course in 1992 and went straight to hell
💀💀
Burst hell wide open, shot down in flames. Screaming in terror, writhing in pain.
Only Yahweh knows the time of the end - period. What the hell happened in 1975..? Bohemian Rhapsody came out! Praise Yahweh!
Watchtower said Jesus probably know now (albeit he did not know when the Bible was written.)
Oh... And how do you say Yahweh in English?
What about now? What is your opinion of world conditions now? Or do you live under a rock?
Link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation
Definition of a generation- A generation is "all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively." It can also be described as, "the average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, during which children are born and grow up, become adults, and begin to have children of their own".
So if that means 20-30 years it should have come no later than 1944
This is laughable!! I’ve seen this broadcast a few times now, and it’s still a load of BS!
Any crap that those 7 clowns come up with, the jdumbs will believe!! Pathetic!!
You Are correct. It writen in the beginning og Matthew ( 1 chapter), what a generation is.....
The Watchtower will keep changing their interpretation and explanation until the end finally does come. That could be 1000 years. Then the Watchtower will say, “see, we were right!”
This is just so easy to see through. He says ones like Franz saw the sign of Jesus presence in 1914 and understood it's significance. How can that be when they weren't looking for it then? At that time they believed Jesus presence had begun in 1874. It wasn't until the late 1920's that the date for the beginning of Jesus presence was moved up to 1914. Interesting too how he leaves out Matthew 1:17 for determining the length of a generation. If you do the math from that verse I believe you get an average generation length of about 43 years which seems far more reasonable than the 100+ years of overlapping nonesense.
Great point! They most certainly were not looking for it then. They thought they were going to heaven but then flip flopped the doctrine. Can't believe this cult survived after so much bs prophecies to reach 8 million members! Still small compared to others but still a lot for the amount of coo coo in the doctrine
All those generations in Matt 1.17 are gone so why would he use that? They are all before Jesus and Jesus did not reference them in his statement.
Answer?
@@queue555 For reference. There's something that helps have an idea of how long a generation lasts, but they decided to use their own expectations.
Even if they didn’t know 1914 was the invisible presence back at the time, they still witnessed the events of war breaking out and persecution.
So they saw the signs of the last days.
It doesn’t matter whether they only realised the date in the late 1920s.
That’s not really what he means.
@@cultfiction3865 how deluded do you have to be? What is so special about world war 1 with respect to the Bible? That was over 100 years ago now and you’re still talking about the ‘last days’ like an abject fool.
I don’t believe in any religions but it’s hilarious that you don’t pay attention to what the Bible actually says. For no good reason at all, you buy from that cult that the ‘2nd coming’ of Jesus was invisible and no one noticed it in the entire world. Then years later leaders of a cult said they noticed this invisible event occur over 10 years prior. Just decided not to write about it when it happened. Minor event after all.
Naive and deluded to the max. Gobbling up literal drivel from cult leaders
Wtf. So baisicly they have given themselves till 2060 for the end to take place
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Matthew 1:17- So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.
Matthew 1:1-16 gives the genealogy of Christ starting with Abraham. Count them up. Each time a son was born, a new generation began. Right from the Bible, from the same book even that Watchtower uses for their ‘this generation’ 1914 nonsense.
Kevin Helms bingo
David next time you talk do not forget to put your brain back on
Matthew 24:36
Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father
So why try and predict it! 🤦♀️🙄
It's not a prediction of either a day or hour but a TIME FRAME !!
Interestingly, the trashing of the planet is happening NOW, as foretold in Revelation 11 : 18. Next up, Jehovah's wrath !!
We would be wise not to ignore the overwhelming evidence highlighted by Jehovah's Organisation instead of trying to undermine it !
This liar shall not survive .....
Those annointed years from now? I thought Armaggeddon was coming?! Are we deep in the time of the end or not? Shall I unpack my survival kit?
AWESOME - praise Yahweh!
I am addicted to new light. Thankyou for splaning it. I'm not sure this new light will last me though. I won't live till the next generational splanation is forthcoming.
The GB have been reading fron Ace of base chapter 1 v 2 :
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up
To get into the light where you belong
But where do you belong.
The Bible does not say anything about a group, “ first group 2nd group! If so please give me a biblical scripture where is says a group.
Jesus said, " I have other sheep who are not of this flock and the 2 must become one."
Also the Bible has numerous examples of organization. Jehovah's purpose is that the whole human race become united in worship
Just skip to the last 15 seconds and you will have learned everything you need to know.
Oh great more false prophecies. 😂😂😂😂
a poor ex-splane-ation
Joseph Rutherford was basically the main one writing the books and literature in 1919. He was the one calling the shots. If his work was so wonderful, then why doesn't the WT ORG display any of it at their website? Why have they completely discarded it as "old light"? Jesus would never have approved of Rutherford's so called "spiritual food." How many JW have even read any of his writings? Very few for it's hard to find now. But this is an important study if one wants to really get down to the truth and the fact that Jesus would have never assigned him and other "anointed" members of the WT Org the assignment to "feed the sheep.." in 1919 and the Governing Body today KNOW IT! They are banking that most JW will never do this kind of investigation and research. The GB are hiding behind a lie. (Notice how these guys are ignoring Rutherford who was the one serving as president and doing most of the writing until 1942. So why are they mostly concentrating on Fred Franz during those years? It's because Rutherfords writings, so called "spiritual food" embarrasses them.
Without exaggeration I can honestly say that so much stupid stuff has been published by Russel, Rutherford, Knorr etc. These people are heartless people. This guy has no conscience and is just another "perl on a long string".
A cult that starts with a "pastor" that is devoted to pyramidology and continues with a lawyer that builds a luxury villa for himself.
Remember as a young kind sometimes listening to tapes with a screaming F.W.F. What an arrogant person so full of him self. So now this prove false prophet is now a part of a "new light". "Overlapping generation"? Come on ! People that continue as JW are either stupid, to old (to late) or/and afraid of the consequence of leaving JW.
Great done !
@1:59. No. Go to a dictionary to find out what the word “Generation” means.
So they were not part of the same generation because they didn't share a life time... So a set of twins are born. The first dies in childbirth, the second survives. They are not the same generation.
🤔. In Joseph’s case, him and his siblings were of the same father. They were one stock as you can say. They were not men grouped with other men who could be their great grand kids; all considered ☝🏿 generation. The GB did not think this through. Jesus would not give a convoluted definition of generation to fishermen like his disciples. It would confuse them.
What a complete load of crap.
if Jesus was serious about making important prophecies for our forewarning then surely he should have written them himself! surely!!
Amazingly, this actually does fulfill one Bible prophecy: that of the evil servant who says “my lord delays his coming” (Matthew 24:48-51). Who then is that foolish and evil servant?
It's an incredibly stupid teaching and since JWs accept this then they will accept anything from their Governing Body. As for the Governing Body, someone came up with this idea and they accepted it as doctrine, shame on them.
RiverDanube They even know its B.S. ( for the sake of argument) It's not even mentioned anymore if you noticed
When you are seeing these things then you know that summer is near (or, He is near, and, the kingdom of God is near,)
How near?
He said, "It is right at the doors!"
What doors?
See! I stand at the door and knock. Whoever hears my voice and let me in, I will eat with him and he with me."
The Lord's coming or the coming of his rule near to us is like the coming of summer with many signs so that people can perceive the change of season.
He also compared his presence as the presence of a thief which the sleeping or drunk people cannot realized.
Who come up with this overlapping nonsense? there are 8 of them right? so they must of all sat in a room and discussed this and pondered on some ideas to explain it to themselves lol, and 1 of them must of suggested "overlapping" i would love to of heard how that conversation went down lol ahhhhhh overlapping! thats it! lmfao come on
@@Maverick25ish That's exactly right. Only one person could have come up with it yet all the others agreed with the nonsense. Yet they won't explain how they ''reasoned'' on it and the JWs have to accept it or they will be rejected from the only ''true'' religion.
@@radiomanze1296 Neither it was mentioned in Bible teach book (revised), neither, I believe, it will be mentioned in new 2021 study book.
More false prophets
i was shown this as a witness and expected to understand it. lol. wow.
Used car salesmen dressed in suits
they just need to stop with the predictions because they are NOT good at it! They are NOT "annoited" Jesus did not come back and "choose" them. It is all lies.!
They should have stopped it when Jesus said in (Mark 13:32, Mathew 24:36)"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." emphasis on "no one" but "only the father".. Jesus not even the angels so how would the GB know? make it make sense!
I wish that i would still be alive when the "overlapping generations" will be proven false, & to hear the "new & improved new light."🎉🎉🎉🎉🙄
Daaavid!
You have some splainin to to
So if a baby was born 10 minutes after Joseph, and that baby wasn’t in Joseph’s generation because it hasn’t “lived” in his generation... are you saying that the baby isn’t alive until it’s actually born into the world?
Near at the door and 107 years have already passed?Carlatans
The key word here... "This" Question: who was Jesus talking to? The disciples. What was the question and subject being discussed? The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. Jesus said to the disciples "this generation" not some other generation, not some generation two thousand years later but "this generation" of the apostles day.
The fact is, the generation of 1914 passed away. Period! "Brother Franz" is known as an "apostate" when he wrote the book "Crisis of conscience" leaving this false cult. Where does it say in the Bible that the generation spoke about by Jesus would consist of groups of people at different times? It doesn't.
How does this make sense with the 2 new governing body members? I'm confused
They don’t have to be Group 2.
Hi, does anyone know when this was published.
'This generation' and 'all these things'. Can we make it more vague and completely open? Seriously, you could predict a new Star Trek movie on those words xD
Hahaha, 'when did all these things start to appear? In 1914" Wrong. Those started already before Jesus got born. Famines, earthquackes, wars are nothing new and have been there for the whole of known human history -_-'
Edit: Why are they constantly trying to predict the end anyway? Jesus clearly said it's not to be predicted. Don't they read the bible?
It seems to have been a great way for them to fleece people out of their money, since whenever you join up you’re expected to buy all their highly profitable literature-since it’s produced practically by slave labor-and not buying the literature just for yourself and your family but for those you preach to!
What a $$$$$$ grubbing cult!!
So heaven is filled with white men... HAHHAHAAHA You been hoodwinked, you been bamboozled... we didn't land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on us!
What makes you think beings in heaven have skin?
ContagiousPete lets be intellectually honest Pete, you know what i meant. In a world where black and brown people couldnt read to get the "truth", it just so happens that the 144000 is composed of white men and women. I guess God is as colorblind as the average whit American. I guess heaven is like America, 100% based on merit. In God's organization there is no racism huh HAHAHAHA!
what a joke.
Soooooo, do I give this thumbs up for the upload or thumbs down for the BS it contains?
Smooth talking at its best to keep those Jehovah's Witnesses indoctrinated for another generation. Oops I forgot is just around the corner lol
Wtf is this guy talking about
Where is the original source, from the Watchtower, of this broadcast?
Posted on Twitter
KDRogersMD
Think for yourself about what the word generation means.
Is a 30 year old man and his child the same generation?
What about the 30 year old man and his 60 year old parents?
What about with his 90 year old grandparents? Are these 4 different generations?
Note the speaker lumps all those folks alive at the same time into ONE generation.
The speaker is trying to change the meaning of the word generation.
Why?
Because if someone born in 1914 who lived until they were 102, then any baby born on the day they died, before they died...can be counted by this speaker as the same "generation". So with that use of the word then the cult can claim about 200 plus years after 1914 to allow for a new ...end of the world date.
If you post more videos please DO come to twitter and tell other XJWs because many really enjoy this sort of thing.
Maybe mr Splane would like to give his theories in public at schools and colleges? Splane has no qualifications what so ever. Absolute rubbish.
David Splane is bi-lingual... English and Bollocks!
Clear as mud!
This is man made.
Seems reasonable to me. Don't understand how they know who's anointed.
Splane is so gullible. Deuteronomy 18:20-22 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”
21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
Please tell me the JW’s aren’t buying this !! Geez 😳
Unfortunately they are.
Hook, line, and sinker baby...lol!
they did
Gulping it down shovelful after shovelful.
Look up the greek word used for generation the same word is used in methew 24 and mathew 1:17. It DOES NOT refer to a group of people but 1 man.
Is this site just another echo chamber for disgruntled Witnesses?
NO women, as usual.. shame he doesn't believe in Jehooboob enough, to wait for his hair to grow..
He makes no sense 😂
So the first group of Anointed died off and the end didn’t come, so they had to add “contemporaries” of the first group, which includes these 8 Governing Body members
🙄🤦♀️🤷♀️
Everything I’ve read from Jw.org about the generation/1914
Says nothing about “anointed ones”
It just speaks of the generation of regular people who were alive around 1914
🤦♀️🤷♀️
So when these GB members all die off and the end still doesn’t come, future JW’s will have to add a 3rd generation of “contemporaries” of anointed that lived at the same time
🤣🤦♀️🙄
Maroma tras maroma, y así llevan 140 años
Please help me here . What the f@@k is he talking about.
I still don’t get it.
Generation... Matthew 1
Em Mateus Capítulo 24 , Jesus profetizou que no tempo do fim, viriam .."falsos ungidos. ( FALSOS CRISTOS) ...FALSOS CRISTOS = FALSOS UNGIDOS, pois ungido significa Cristo. Mateus 24 : 4, 5. Sim, só falsos cristos mentem e dizem que não mentem.
Huh? Come again?
Only the anointed. BS.
once again how does someone become annoited?
You pee on thier feet!
@@sivaforutube 😆 🤣 😂 you are a fool
When we see the signs, we know that he is near!
How near?
Right at our doors!
Jesus said, I stand at the door and knock.
The Lord is talking about his presence today not Armageddon. First of all, Armageddon is not an event but a place where the kings of the earth will gather soon in preparation of the great war after the day or reign of the Lord.
AROUND THE CORNER. HA HA HA.
Somehow sounds correct.
The bible's generations is the one that saw the beginning of Jesus rain, so 1914 ish is about right. However, generation does mean contemporary meaning being alive at the time meaning alive in 1914ish.
How long can that generation potentially be, well 120 years at the most since this is the maximum age since the great flood, so 2034ish is about the latest time for armageddon to take place or 2039 if it means when the war in heaven ended - provided 1919 is correct.
We cannot know for sure when, but it won't be in 2040+ for sure but before then, still, some prophecies still needs to be fulfilled - like the fall of Babylon the great.
Or 110 years can be the maximum age of a contemporary group.
@@oweltingzon4470 It could, however since the bible say 120 as the maxsimum age and one can be a newborn and be part of the contemporary group then theoritically its 120 allthoung less will be more likely.
@@MO-hq4iz you could be right though...but all I could say is evidently with the crisis ongoing now we could be MUCH CLOSER to the GT (great tribulation) than we thought, so all the more now to keep spiritually awake!!! After all even Jesus hinted it will happen at a time when people least expect it!!...I have no doubts that we can expect an world upheaval soon in the near future!
@@MO-hq4iz maybe God would have 2 choices to pick:...either a 5 year wait or 10 years max wait after this coronavirus crisis subsides but I think 2039 year would be TOO FAR off as no governing body member will be around that long. Just my opinion.
@@oweltingzon4470 Yes, I said maximum, not minimum ;)
mt 1:17
To be fair, as a current JW: we should be more explicit when we differentiate "doctrine" from "theory."
"Doctrine" is in the Bible. There is only one God, humanity is mortal without his help (this, the "wages sin pays is death"... Not torment after death), but his plan has always been to restore what Adam lost in a physical resurrection of the dead and restoration of creation.
That's doctrine from the Bible.
This entire talk is human speculation about prophecy COULD apply, based on some human interpretation of how long certain prophecies seem to be, what events start those prophecies, and what events they point to. Does the "7 years" start at the destruction of the temple, or when the first slaves were taken, or when Josiah died and Israel was subjected (a range of 23 years)? And are these "7 times" to be interpreted as 360 days or 365 days?
Those variables are not specified in the Bible, so, while it's plausible they could point to 1914 and the start of the world wars... OR they could point to 1948 and Israel being restored (as a secular nation).
A "way this could make sense" may be potentially reasonable speculation to consider... But it is not "doctrine."
He's suggesting one of a few plausible starting points, one of many possible definitions for "a generation," and just throwing in the variable of people self-identifying as anointed, rather than just being "living contemporaries" even by his own definition.
And conflating "one potential speculation" with "therefore we know..." Distracts people from the important doctrine of following Jesus and looking forward to that kingdom (rather than being distracted by human minutia).
We need to be careful not to repeat the flaws of the Pharisees, who's personal authority lead to such an attachment to human traditions that it undermined their central intended function- to teach what they were told to teach.
I must disagree with you on a certain point. This is not a ‘possible’ definition of a generation. Try and find this bizarre made up idea anywhere else and you won’t find another example of it. Everyone knows what a generation means and it has been well understood for as long as we know. A generation is an indeterminate number of years but it has limited known and accepted definitions. You’re not of the same generation as your parents or grandparents just because you met each other during your life.
This is just another jw prophecy that failed and their nonsense lies about being chosen by the Bible god goes up in smoke with it. Exposed as another falsehood they peddle.
This is a core doctrine in the jw cult. It’s not minor. And the doctrine has been proven false. That generation is dead. Jesus did not make an invisible ‘2nd coming’ in 1914 and select watchtower corporation as his favorite religious organization. Bunch of silly lies from a controlling cult.
By the way - also consider the actual definition of ‘doctrine’. The 1914 and generation teachings are definitely jw doctrines. But you are of course correct that these doctrines are not in the Bible.
Whether you can celebrate certain holidays or birthdays is also not in the Bible. But these are well known jw doctrines. These aren’t preferences of your leaders but literally religious dogmas. Canon doctrines which jws must conform to. You mention concern about becoming like the Pharisees. I think that ship sailed long ago.
@@singed8853 I understand your perspective, but it seems a bit silly for you to insist to another group of people how dogmatically they believe things...
The whole generation idea is a plausible explanation of a plausible explanation. The fact that it has been explained many different ways by different people, and changed demonstrates that it's not some unquestionable dogmatic doctrine. Just a plausible explanation as to what Jesus could have been referring to in Luke 21.
Luke 21 is doctrine, sure. But spoken in parables that are still not yet clear. So, just like the apostles, of course people following those instructions get excited when they seem like it could be being fulfilled before our eyes. It might not be, but it could.
As for holidays... I can't think of a singular verse that addresses holidays specifically. But the entirety of the time between the covenant and the destruction of Jerusalem has been centered around God telling people "worship only me, have no other gods." And doing something spectacular for Israel, and them being faithful for a while, but eventually mixing their faith with neighbors. Adopting religious practices and making alters was what always lead Israel to stray from God and lose his protection until they returned. It's probably less than an inch of your Bible's thickness, but it's ~800 years of repeated mistakes and consequences.
Adopting outside religious customs and ceremonies and celebrations being part of that.
@@morielrorschach8090 appreciate the response. Here’s just what I’ll say about the holidays thing. I don’t see how celebrating Christmas or Easter is worshipping another god or idol. Those 2 holidays are actually supposed to be about Jesus and god for Christian’s. They don’t celebrate them to worship something else.
I also can’t see any plausible explanation for thanksgiving somehow involving idolatry. That was never even a religious holiday for anyone.
Honestly in my view I see the holiday thing as just another way of isolating jws from non jw ppl and creating an identity for the group to distinguish itself. It’s too big of a stretch in my view and is consistent with the birthday prohibition - which is similarly isolating and which has no reasonable basis in my view.
You had a second response to that I can read iny notifications, but not in the thread for some reason about a different interpretation of the word "generation."
Let's explore that. I think we all understand that language can be used in very different ways, but if we insist that what you consider to be the immediate simplist interpretation must be true or the prophecy is false.
Let's consider that. The words come from Jesus (in 3 of the gospels. Luke 21 and Matthew 24... I forget where in Mark at the moment.) He was speaking to his disciples who asked when these things would happen, and Jesus described a series of events, including wars and rumors of wars and a parable of a fig tree, etc. And Jesus said "this generation will be no means pass away until all this occurs."
Preterists interpret Jesus as speaking to the generation of people he was speaking to, and therefore being fulfilled by Vespasian destroying the temple ~70CE. Yet, Jesus did not return.
Because their interpretation of what Jesus said did not happen,
1- does that mean he was only talking about a building being torn down, and he's never returning? Or 2- does that make Jesus a false prophet? Or 3- does that mean the preterest interpretation is not the limit of what Jesus was referring to?
JWs DO doctrinally believe that the generation Jesus will do what he said. "Who, when, and what that is" is not yet clear... But the watchtower has posted some ideas.
The basic ideas are indeed still plausible, depending on how you view different variables. Even the EARLIEST interpretation is still technically possible as there ARE still people alive today born before 1914. Even without overlapping anything, that generation (those specific people) has not passed away yet. It's quite small, and frail. Personally I don't think that's what it's referring to.
Whatever it is, Jesus was right. Our job is to not simply ignore him, but try to keep a watch to understand what that truth is.