The JW Governing Body Overrules Jesus' Command on How We Should Pray to God!
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I will never forget the night my son, at the time 18ish, had a last minute assignment and referred to Jehovah as his Father ….after the meeting he was called to the little back room and instructed that Jehovah was indeed NOT his Father but only Father to the 144K…this was so confusing to him & started him down a rabbit hole …of coarse we his parents assured our son that the elder was mistaken and that without question Jehovah is our Father …we asked if Jehovah is not our Father then who is? Anyway, thinking back; this was perhaps the first real shake to the brain wash….I cannot believe we allowed ourselves to be subjected to such cruelty for 32 years and that we subjected our children to such all their young lives! I pray for forgiveness and I pray that our Father and His Son Jesus help me forgive them as well 🙏
I remember a well liked elder who used to address JEHOVAH as father during his prayers, it was a bit excessive maybe but he got counseled for it and he basically told them to shove it
@Island Girl - I left the organization in 2006,i remember brothers referring to Jehovah as 'father' in prayers at times. Your comment make me think back and question things. Can you elaborate more on whether things have changed since the time I left? Is it actually frowned upon to refer to Jehovah as our father today? If so, things have gotten much worse in that organization that I realized.
I was called to the back room for stopping to have breakfast at a local restaurant just before going out on field service. The brother in charge who accused me had also eaten. Strange! I fail to see the sin involved.
@@radrook7584 you must've not prayed before eating
@@radrook7584 had you already met with the group, or was it before you even got to the hall? That to me would make a difference. As far as the brother also having eaten - same day, situation, or what?
20 years ago we sang, "O who's like our FATHER Jehovah?"
Now it's, "O who's like our Heavenly Commander and His Generals?" Now I understand why there are so many empty seats at assemblies, etc. Christ's brothers and sisters smell a rat.
You are a.blessing from Jehovah and Jesus
Sadly JW Watchtower has Destroyed so many Lives and opportunities
@Todd,
I agree with you.
No truer words, smfh
Yet we have a brief window of opportunity to have the greatest opportunity that none of those who are following them will ever be given! Right now you are all being called to be part of Messiah's Family! 4.8.2024
It has also prevented people from dedicating their lives to certain evil activities.
@@radrook7584
Your comment is pathetic.
And unsympathetic simultaneously.
I'm just recently out but faded for months before that. The GB had me feeling so little about myself over the years, never being good enough to deserve anything from Jehovah. Talks like this instill the confidence that Jehovah loves me personally. I don't need the GB
Even in the NWT, Jesus in prayer never referred to his Father by any proper name. Always as "Father". He set the example for how we should pray.
NWT is a Fake Bible.
Jesus said hallowed be thy name, so he recognized his father had a name.
@@billyd5317 in Hebrew it mean "to make holy or sacred, to sanctify or consecrate, to venerate".
Jesus never said the word/name jehova or Yahweh. Jah-Bull-On is a demon. JHVH is another entity/demon.
A God who kills, is not The God. See the Greek scriptures for proof.
@@MrPoohman1981 I know what hallowed means, I was just stating god, according to scripture has a name. And it isn't Jesus.
You’ve got it spot on again Eric, probably the last 2 years I’ve been praying not as robot or a Jew standing on street corners for everyone to see!!! “Figuratively speaking”,
doing it private speaking as if I’m speaking to a father that I love and also to Jesus, it’s a time I asked for forgiveness spill my problems and thank for everything I have and the hope he’s eventually going to bring, at no point I’m formal and I pretty much know he’s happier that way because it’s all from my heart.
I’m no perfect Christian I have many sins but I have faith and love for our Heavenly Father and absolute trust and loyalty to Jesus our lord and I hope that I can be the best I can in time. Keep this amazing work up Eric it’s very uplifting 💪
Al Hezza, thank you so very much.
Many thanks once again brother. You are truly one of the faithful slave providing food at the proper time. Keep strong and may our Heavenly Father continue to bless you.
You are italian?
@@mystermaster7389 No pimo JW using alias name. I do love Italian though, it's lovely to sing in that language ( I go to lessons - when I get the chance). Would love to find the time to learn the language properly.
Excellent! Very well done, I am still amazed how smooth the scriptures flow and come together so harmoniously and beautifully when considered without trying to prove our preconceived beliefs that we, or, I should speak for myself, THAT I so foolishly, and naively took for solid facts due to blindly misplaced trust in men and a man made organization. Being raised in the " truth ", by parents who were also, the devastating emotions that came with the realization that the beliefs that my parents had instilled in me from birth, and that they continued to inculcate in me from their own sincere, dedicated beliefs, teachings that I would aggressively defend, even though I have been disfellowshiped for over 20yrs, so far, the only "healing salve" that had any positive help with those feelings, is the understanding of these scriptures and the feeling of internal peace and contentment that Actual Bible truths, give, and that I was craving for , without even realizing it. Thank you again so much.
Thanks Brother Wilson you're a blessing may the Father keep blessing the work that you do in the name you do in Jesus' name. ExJW elder from Zambia, Africa.
Thank you, dear Erich for your excellent presentation and thank you to the team. It is a pleasure to listen to the lectures, based on the Bible. Thank you for your effort and greetings from Germany
My judicial committee is this coming Sunday, pray for me!
Tell them to go jump in the lake. You only take discipline from jehovah and Jesus. Don't go. They cannot do anything to you. I recently left the org and told them to leave me alone and to not contact me. They are evil false prophets and the wolves the bible talks about, that Paul talks about, that crept in the org. Be strong.
"When we pray to Jehovah, we should avoid being overly familiar." I was taken back by the organizations view that we shouldn't be overly familiar with God. Actually, I was stupefied by it. How can we feel close to Him if we aren't allowed to be "overly familiar" with Him? How do we share our problems with a stranger? I can understand respect and reverence but how do we feel deep love for God if we have to keep our distance? And where does it say this in the Bible? It says, 'Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you." It sounds rather familiar to me. How do we do draw close if we have a shield of unfamiliarity between us? It doesn't make sense. As usual, you made some excellent points, Eric.
So maybe that's why they calling almighty God by his name (true or not) all the time with no respect like he is some colleague.
@@DarkoPolo84 It sounds to me that it's designed to make JWs more reliant on the Governing Body than God. In other words, they are the middleman, the liaison to God. Only they have the right to be "Overly familiar" with God. So now we have a situation where Jesus has been cast off to the side to a degree, and now we aren't supposed to be "overly familiar" with God. What's left?
I’ve seen in some videos of how the elders pray. It sounds empty, without reverence, respect. It’s like the North American culture of addressing one by their first name no matter the seniority, rank. They repeat the name Jehovah as if he’s their drinking buddy. As Jesus taught, when we pray. Address him as our father. These peoples feelings are dead. They have no honor for their own parents
@@DarkoPolo84 I would never repeatedly call my father in law and other men by their first name that frequently in that way
It is possible to draw close to God, while showing a respectfull familiarity in prayer, a salutary fear for His Holy Majesty, not to displease Him; and at the same time, see Him as a loving and caring heavenly Father. In fact, the apostle James says : '' Draw near to God and He will draw near to you '' ( James 4: 8 ). This verse clearly shows that He will come close to us, and therefore, we should not see Him as a stranger, for it is His will that we draw close to Him, and that He draws close to us.
Another BEST video!
That was excellent and more clear than anything I ever learned about this subject at the Kingdom Hall.
Not hard to beat the Kingdom Hall teaching level though. Not taking anything away from
These great videos. 😎😇
Also. Brother you are one of my favorite Bible sleuths. I know you do the same thing we all do, trawling the internet for thoughts and content, but you do some really good work in your thought processes regarding Watchtower literature. Again, we don't always agree, but we are indeed brothers, I think, in that we wish to follow God wholeheartedly. We won't always be right, neither one of us, but we will strive to get to the end, and God willing, be rewarded as faithful.
I think I know who one faithful and discrete servant is. It is you. Thank you for being a good brother.
That's very kind. I'm one of many who are trying to feed others with truth, but we all need each other "to sharpen the iron."
Being a former JW, I appreciate what you mean by saying that and from that perspective, I agree! However, I believe 'the faithful and discreet slave' was just a guy doing a good job, and not a 'type' to adorn one's job description in religious life. Which means we have to go back to that scripture, read it in it's context, and learn the real meaning of it all.
The Watchtower spends many months to slowly introduce the following teachings to their recruits: you are not a child of God, you do not belong to Christ, do not have his spirit and he is not your mediator. The kingdom of God is closed and the New Testament was not written to you. The one hope at Ephesians 4:4-6 was a limited time offer. But if you identify the Governing Body as the sole ‘channel’ between God and mankind, make a personal dedication, get baptized in symbol of said dedication and spend your life living up to said dedication, you can be Gods ‘friend’ and be spared from Gods wrath and spend another 1000 years working out your salvation.
And my favourite part “if you think the preaching work is over, just wait until we get to the new system.. all the resurrected ones will need bible studies” and so it continues. Always going beyond what is written. But if you ask a single member if the organization ever went beyond? No.
GB isn't the mediator!!!!! Messiah is.
Wow! That Organization has REALLY gone off the deep end...and is heading straight to crush depth.
Hi, Eric. Thank you for another video, and for a wonderful explanation of what our relationship with our heavenly Father should be. The example of Jesus in this regard perfectly illustrates his close, informal relationship with the Father, and of course, we also want to develop such a relationship with the Father that I wish each of us to have.
Well said!
Does this mean we don't develop a relationship with the Son? the Spirit?
I love this clear explanation Brother Eric 🌹thank You
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi Eric, Thank you for making things clear and for doing what you do for us. Thank you ! Brother!!!! 🙏🙋♂️🙂
Another outstanding video! You make my day Meleti Vivlon I just love the way you "Rightly divide the Word"... You really should set up a Website, honesty.
I have. One which predates my CZcams channel. Check out beroeans.net.
as someone who used to be a jw for most of my life, there was a lot of things that i didnt realize, but came to light, thanks to Eric i know more than i used to know, i appreciate the videos very much.
What a beautiful video, drawing us closer to our own Father, just as our Brother Jesus Christ taught us, in His "Our Father" prayer! An excellent point was also made at the end too; The "faithful and discreet slave" is not a man, group of men, special class of men, nor religious leaders, but just every Christian Child of God, who, moved by Holy Spirit, shares "food" with his fellow "slaves" and so each of us can play a role in providing spiritual nourishment at the proper time. Women are included in that "faithful slave" description as they prayed, prophesied, offered encouragement and support, etc. in the 1st century gatherings.
The question, "Who is the faithful slave?" is, by the way, very similar to another question, posed by the disciples in the same style, "Who is our neighbor?" Obviously "our neighbor" is not one special person or a group of people, but rather it is any person that can assist another, especially in their time of need or distress. The disdained Samaritan proved how a neighbor behaves toward his fellow man even of another nationality or race. Or Father's children are known by their love, not their shunning abilities.
Excellent Eric. Yes Abraham is the only friend and under the Abrahamic covenant and not under the mosaic law because it didn't exist for him.
Thank you for making that distinction, I was going to do so myself if no one else had done so. As another one of our brothers mentioned the friendship with Abraham was by means of the covenant made on Mount Moriah. The Law Covenant was not entered into until some 400 years later.
Yes, that error slipped by me and my proof reader. Oops!
Thank you Eric
Excellent clarification. Thank you Eric.
Yes, I felt that when reading the bible none of it applied to me only the morals and principles..
Very well done. We were told we could pour our heart out in prayer about anything. Then we r told we must plan and prepare our prayer. We should not plan or prepare a public meeting prayer, it should be spontanious and from the heart. We should think about the meeting before hand and our prayers should reflect this. which is it. My father or friends were always ready to laugh and joke and play and learn with. If my public prayers reflected any of that i would have been chastised. Thank you Eric.
Jesus said that anyone that obey him and does the will of God, becomes his brothers, if they are brothers of Jesus they are sons of God
The Bible is very clear, but those evil slave (GB ) wants the witnesses to believe that they can become friends of God if they serve the GB.
I am really glad that are many other people that are revealing the lies coming out from the WT organization.
Keep up the good work,
I want to thank you and to all the ones that are making the real truth shine
Great Job 👍Eric
Great job Eric ,very clear and understandable,looking forward to more videos THXS.
Good presentation.
Well done.
It's great you gave the pimo brother the credit for the scripture you presented. It so good seeing how everyone has a different way of seeing things. 👏
Despite my earlier comment, I really appreciate your video 🙂
We used to preach the Lord’s Prayer on the ministry
Satan must be smiling. Some today demand that we obey them as we would our father. They even call the human organization that they own, "MOTHER"! Jesus said that Satan was the FATHER of the religious leaders. I agree with Jesus. I love my ABBA, Father in heaven. I can talk to Him and He answers me with love, tender kindness, assurance and encouragement thru my Brother, Jesus Christ.
Absolutely Right(eous)! Thank you so much.
GOD is, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It's simple don't complicate it, just believe it. Worship GOD the way Jesus told us to.
1 + 1 + 1 = 1. It's simple. Don't complicate it. Just believe. 🤣
Been there. Done that. Bought the Watchtower T-shirt.
@@BeroeanPickets Yeah Eric! You are trying to portray a deeply spiritual truth in secular terms. Then, make sense of Jesus feeding a multitude of 5000 people with 5 loafs of bread and 2 fish. Figure the math out and then let us know 👍
@@BeroeanPickets you are very knowledgeable and respectul. All of us admire you for that, just don’t start acting like the GB all prideful and thinking you have it all figured out. You got the surprise of your life when you woke up. Don’t underestimate the mysterious ways of God. Stay humble Eric. You will be of more use to God that way.
@@BeroeanPickets that is not so funny if the Bible says exactly that in 1John 5:7
@@karengastelum3357 For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are [i]in agreement. (1 John 5:7 BSB)
I don't believe in the trinity, and I thought I never struggled with the many beliefs of it,
Until I realized they have their own version of it.
🍒 (The Father & The Son & The Governing Body)
Never saw it that way before. Now I understand why I struggled with their teaching from literature compared to scripture
I told my granny about the teachings of the organization and how I felt about being part of the org. After I did, I felt a burden lifted off my chest and watching your channel for the past couple of months has given me to dig deeper and realize that Jesus of the watchtower is not Jesus of the bible and Jw can't see it.😕
Their primary focus is on Jehovah.
@@radrook7584 I believe gb want to be the primary focus, they make-up rules about their god to coincide their prestige.
Amazing work! Thank you so much for all you do. I’ve been studying the Bible with a JW and things just didn’t make sense. Like 1914, Governing Body, 144,000, Their publications etc.. Initially I thought I just wasn’t applying myself enough but no matter how much I read and studying along with prayer for guidance, their teachings do not make sense.
My pleasure. I'm just happy I can help.
I'm so glzd you noticed that. I'd been born in, so I accepted everything they said. I woke up 5 years ago. Glad you escaped.
Thank you Eric that was a wonderful presentation and made perfectly clear. I look forward to your words of wisdom. Thank you my brother in Christ. PS I'm still looking for someone who doesn't belong to false religion to baptize me in the proper manner, thanks again
Awesome Eric 😀
Thanks! 😁
...And he Will be called Wonderful counselor , Mighty God , everlasting Father , Prince of Peace . Isaiah 9:6
You Nailed IT..
Since Hebrew language does not have identity names like "grandfather,etc". They referred to genealogical fathers as "father". Adam is considered our father as Eve was considered, "mother of all living. Jesus became our father as one whom adopted or paid price for Adam's children giving them life. Jehovah will always be heavenly father due to the fact that life comes from the father. Even Jesus addressed Jehovah as father, and rightly so.
Jesus is "a mighty god", but he is not the Almighty God.
Also this verse speaks of the Son, so the Son cannot be called God the Father, even the rules of the Trinity states this. The only way this verse can support Jesus being God Almighty, is if you support Modalism (which Trinitarians consider "heresy").
Angels, spirits and even the judges and kings of Israel throughout the Bible were called "mighty gods". The ancient word "god" in scripture did not mean what it means today.
Jesus is the everlasting "Adamic father", not God the Father. This is why Jesus is called "the last Adam", because Adam is our human forefather, our "human father", but Jesus has replaced Adam as our "fleshly father" of the new creation, but the scriptures say he is our brother when it comes to our worship of God Almighty, as we, including both Adam and Jesus, are all children of the Father God Almighty, YHWH.
“…for us there is but *one God* , the *Father* , from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus [the] Anointed, through whom all things came and through whom we exist”. - 1 Corinthians 8:6
“When Jesus had spoken these things, he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, ‘ *Father* , the hour has arrived… Now this is eternal life, that they may know *You* , the *only true God* , and Jesus [the] Anointed whom You have sent‘”. - John 17:1, 3
"Jesus said to her: ‘...‘I am ascending to my *Father and your Father* and to *my God* and *your God* .’” - John 20:17
Nailed it!
@@ProselyteofYah , sounds very Unitarian?
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Brother Pickets is having a real crisis of conscience. As a former JW, I can see how this brother in Christ is fighting against the TRIUNE NATURE OF GOD. Brother Pickets, don't worry! Jesus will, one day, reveal to you the HOLY TRINITY OF GOD.
Galatians 4:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 👉🏾To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
God intended to redeem all that were under the law to become sons of God .
How many people were under the law ? Not 144k .
The Law is for the Israelites only. The Law wasn't given to everyone. Deuteronomy 28 Moses speaks to the Israelites.
Thks for these explanations which I appreciate. Please are there any bible students group who get together to study that I can join? Thks for reply.
Currently, we meet online at various times during the week. Here's a link to the meeting schedule: beroeans.net/events/
I also want to know please
fantastic presentation thanks
Thanks for this Eric
My pleasure!
Please look up the video Jesus warned of hell 42 times please
Please use Biblehub.com to compare other Bible versions so as not to be misled by translator bias.
Some people don't play the lottery because they know the odds of winning is so slim. Playing the get to know God lottery probably just as slim . The reason I love my dad was because I could see him talk to him directly and look in to his eyes I could physically hug him. I didn't have to search for him in a complicated book that could be manipulated by anyone. The real problem with life is the pass the buck game and the fear guilt game. You do the right thing because of fear or guilt , you do right thing because you agree with the principal. If you don't have close relationship with whoever it will be shabby. And for it to be strong it needs to over lap .The strongest in the relationship should compensate for the weaker.
The evidence of history is that even if people see God they won't believe. They saw undeniable evidence of God's hand in Jesus, yet they killed him. They saw Moses split the Red Sea, but with a few weeks, they built the Golden Calf. If you look at faith in God as some sort of lottery to be won, you will never understand the reason why he requires us to put faith in the unseen.
@@BeroeanPickets very good answer. I like it.
I hope you will have a debate on the topic of Trinity in the near future. You versus James White, for example. It would be very interesting.
What about all of the Christian martres who have died after apostles? There must be millions of those
I always understood that the fatherhood that God had with the anointed was in relation to their becoming his heavenly children. His fatherhood towards me, and the others who were not of the 144000, which they I referred to as the other sheep and The Great Crowd, I understood was based on God being our creator.
Sure
Eric , been watching your video's today . Does accepting some of your'e interpretations and not all make me an apostate in your mind ?
Jesus called his disciples his friends.
John 15: 12-17
Jesus said to his disciples:
“This is my commandment: love one another as I love you.
No one has greater love than this,
to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
You are my friends if you do what I command you.
I no longer call you slaves,
because a slave does not know what his master is doing.
I have called you friends,
because I have told you everything I have heard from my Father.
It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you
and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain,
so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you.
This I command you: love one another.”
The concept of the trinity means three seperate persons in unity as one. Not one God split three ways. That is my understanding although I think it is beyond our understanding to fully grasp it.
Jesus is God.
even so sister susan they are two separate persons.in acts 7: 55 ,56 Stephen saw two persons ,Jesús standing by the right hand of God. in all of Paul letters, starting Romans he always starts his letters by recognizing two persons God and Christ and finally, in the book of revelation two persons are mentioned consistently ,God and the lamb (Christ),example rev.21:22-24 rev.22: 1-3
here is also another point sister susan, our father Adam sinning was influence by satan ,which results in our presents condition,sin and death.so we have lost our eternal father Adam , which he would have been if he had chosen life by obeying .so there was need for a second Adam or eternal father, Christ became such by obedience, satan would like us to believe that Jesús was God almighty,it would soften his defeat by Jesús, he could always say ," it was almighty God who had to defeat me ,not a perfect man, Jesus ."
Yes but not the only true God.
A brother in my hall got talked to in the back room for saying Heavenly Father in the opening prayer At midweek meeting. I think he said it like 3-4 times but still, why would they make a issue of it?
He was just following Jesus example
Fascinating! I've counted them using the name "Jehovah" up to 12 times in a single prayer.
Can you then please explain the difference between the great crowd and the 144,000 spoken of in revelation, and also the other sheep that Jesus spoke of that were not of this flock, and the two resurrections spoken of at the end of revelations. I mean this with an open mind and would love to hear your understanding.
WT takes away ones intimacy with God.
Thanks br.Eric.
Good Point. "Our heavenly mother sara the free women, jerusalem above has "numerous children" not just 144000.
Governing body and their followers/children, The mirror image of jews of jesus day pictures hagar and still under the slavery.
Eric, correction. Abraham (Genesis) came before Moses (Exodus) and was not under the Mosaic law. The Law Covenant was not established yet.
We in the CONGRATULATION know what we are DOING ! You are only INTERFERING with OUR AFFAIRS claiming to be DISTORTED ! Follow your LANE ❗
4.48 timeline Abraham was not under Mosaic law covenant because he was before Moses. Abraham was under Abrahamic covenant or promise. Slip of the tongue gets us all.
The Bible reveals in many places that the Son in his glory (John 17:5, Phil. 2:6) is God. Not the Father but equal in power to him. (John 1:1, John 20:28) Yet the Bible says there's only one God. I don't think we will ever fully understand that even in eternity to come. I enjoy your videos. I think they mean more to a JW coming from a former elder in the Organization.
I will be releasing more videos in the Trinity series analyzing those verses you reference (and others) to show they don't mean what many interpret them to mean.
Please pardon me. I thought Jesus Christ warned against hell fire
Man can adapt the Bible to suit any narrative they want.
The book of Revelation warn against that.
Jesus said we can be "destroyed" in Gehenna, he didn't say we would be alive and burned forever. Gehenna was the Hebrew word for "rubbish dump", Hell is a later word borrowed from Greek religion which replaced the original word.
Revelation speaks in symbols, and it also says "death" and the "grave" will be thrown into Gehenna, which means death will be destroyed, not suffer. Also consider that death is a metaphysical construct, not a literal object that can be thrown into a literal lake of fire, meaning the fire is also metaphorical
According to Isaiah, the everlasting fire maintains a person's condition as "bones and ash", and prevents "flesh growing back" onto them, which is poetic for everlasting death, as bones without flesh cannot have life, also reflecting Adam's punishment in Genesis; "to dust you return".
This is also why the early Catholic church used to ban cremation, as they believed it would prevent a person from being resurrected on Jesus' return, on the basis of these scriptures.
What about the video Jesus warned about hell by the DTBM CZcams channel? Like Matthew chapter 3 ( John the Baptist) Matthew chapter 5:22 - 29 Jesus warning ⚠️ about hell
@@alphonsofrett2757 I already answered.
Jesus's warnings are speaking of everlasting death, not suffering. Jesus never once uses the word "ever lasting suffering" when he warns about Gehenna/Hell.
It's important to recognise that, and be familiar with historical Jewish culture and theology.
Fire of hell in ancient Hebrew, in those scriptures you mention, means "burning pit of rubbish" where dead bodies were thrown, and it was used to symbolise turning to ash and never coming back. That's all it means.
Shunning is a form of abuse would you sign a petition to stop disfellowshiping?
The evil slave said the master was delaying (1918, 1918, 1925, 1974, 3 generations) and began to beat his fellow slaves... with wicked shunning.
Abraham was not under the Mosaic law. Abraham lived before the Mosaic law came into existence
Hi Eric, they also teach that "most of the 144K verses are not literal ", let me explain, it says 12 k from 12 tribes , JWs say thats not literal, also says Kings and priests which if taken literally they are only male, no women allowed , again JWs say that bit is not literal to, the only bit they want us to believe is literal is the full number 144 k , ignore the 12 k from each 12 tribes and ignore where it might literally imply "144k Israelite males" . Basically they are cherry picking which bits are literal and which bits are not ! Thats how I first became aware that their teaching of the 144 k was probably flawed and imaginative or even manipulated for their own criteria. Personally I have no explanation for the 144 K , but I'm sure its not about an elite mostly wealthy group lording over us and acting as mediator from the worlds richest country.. Our sole mediator to Jehovah is the Lord Jesus Christ , no Roman catholic saints or no JW Saints required, Just Jesus
Sorry Derick, Abraham was not under the Mosaic covenant he wasnt around at that time,
It's Eric (no "D" and no "k") but we can all make mistakes as I did in not catching the error. You are correct. Abraham was not under the Mosaic covenant, which gave him even less of a reason to address God as his father.
Another great video, brother Eric. I know it wasnt the point of the video, but you called Abraham hebrew and said he was under the covenant of the mosaic law. Considering Abraham is an ancestor of Moses, is that actually correct to say?
Isaiah 9 calls Jesus “Eternal Father”. Nothing is impossible with God. There is one God only, not many. That’s the most basic of Christian teaching and is throughout the bible.
Jesus redeemed us from our human father Adam back into to fold from being alienated from our heavenly father Jehovah. As one whom adopts.Just as Eve was named; mother of All living. Adam is mankind's father. Remembering Hebrew language has one word "father" reference to all generations prior. Example how Jews refer Abraham as "our father Abraham." Definition of father means life giver.
Perfectly said and simply.
How protected are those that live by the bible and didn't take the V and heard the words of John 8.44
"Didn't take the V"?
@@BeroeanPickets No. "for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. " Sorcery (Greek Pharmakia) english Pharmacy . ALL THE NATIONS WERE DECEIVED
@@BeroeanPickets The mrna sorcery
@@kingjeep1541 "The mrna sorcery"?
@@BeroeanPickets Sorcery (Greek Pharmakia) english Pharmacy "for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. " Sorcery (Greek Pharmakia) english Pharmacy . ALL THE NATIONS WERE DECEIVED
Strongs Concordance
◄ 5331. pharmakeia ►
Strong's Concordance
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Usage: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") - properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pharmakeuó (to administer drugs)
Definition
the use of medicine, drugs or spells
NASB Translation
sorceries (1), sorcery (2).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5331: φαρμακεία
φαρμακεία (WH κια, so T (except in Galatians 5:20; cf. the Proleg., p. 88); see Iota), φαρμακείας, ἡ (φαρμακεύω);
a. the use or the administering of drugs (Xenophon, mem. 4, 2, 17).
b. poisoning (Plato, Polybius, others): Revelation 9:21 (here WH text Tr marginal reading φαρμακῶν; many interpretations refer the passage to the next entry).
c. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it: Galatians 5:20 (where see Lightfoot) (Wis. 12:4 Wis. 18:13; for כְּשָׁפִים, Isaiah 47:9; for לָטִים, Exodus 7:22; Exodus 8:18; for לְהָטִים, Exodus 7:11); tropically, of the deceptions and seductions of idolatry, Revelation 18:23.
STRONGS NT 5331: φάρμακον [φάρμακον, φαρμάκου, τό, from Homer down, a drug; an enchantment: Tr marginal reading WH text in Revelation 9:21 (R. V. sorceries), for φαρμακεία, which see (in b.).]
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
sorcery, witchcraft.
From pharmakeus; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively) -- sorcery, witchcraft.
see GREEK pharmakeus
Forms and Transliterations
φαρμακεία φαρμακείᾳ φαρμακείαις φαρμακειων φαρμακια φαρμακία φαρμακίᾳ pharmakeia pharmakeía pharmakeíāi
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Englishman's Concordance
Galatians 5:20 N-NFS
GRK: εἰδωλολατρία φαρμακεία ἔχθραι ἔρις
NAS: idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife,
KJV: Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred,
INT: idolatry sorcery enmities strife
Revelation 18:23 N-DFS
GRK: ἐν τῇ φαρμακείᾳ σου ἐπλανήθησαν
NAS: were deceived by your sorcery.
KJV: by thy sorceries were all
INT: by the sorcery of you were misled
Strong's Greek 5331
2 Occurrences
φαρμακεία - 2 Occ
Jesus gives us the model prayer! our Father is how it begins....... cmon Jesus tells us to call him Father
put it this way when ever did we call are earthly father by his name! I called mine dad out of respect 🙏 how much more respect for my Heavenly Father
Abraham was under the Abrahamic Covenant…❤😊
A few other alert viewers have said this. Eric said, "Opps!"
Wow 😮
Amen. The Almighty God the Father is the head of Jesus meaning that Jesus is subjected to his Father his superior.
1 Corinthians 11:3 ; John 12:49;
1 Timothy 2:5; 1 Corinthians 15:28; Acts 17:31; 3:20-23;
Romans 5:19, etc. Because of Jesus we are now God’s children. Thanks Eric. I never listened to them and I always approached my abba to set me free from those false teachings, because the sacrifice of Jesus my only owner is real to me Jude 4 . Amen 🙏🏼
I suggest the book "The Forgotten Trinity" by James White
@Hillary, why do you suggest that book?
Excellent video and rebuttal to JW false teachings and their other nonsense. Peace
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You messed up, Abraham was not under the mosaic law, he cane before the mosaic law
maybe some teach that but the understanding is closer to 3 governing body members as one GB
So, Hagar = Law, and Sarah = Grace...? / And if you count through history from Pentecost to present day - if only a literal 144,000 go to heaven, that would mean THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of anointed Christians fell off God's approved 'wagon' before they died so that there is even one left on earth today...or the 144,000 number was filled quickly way back when, and ALL the anointed Christians after that are mentally ill and bleep outta luck. If they INSIST it's still a literal number, then you can be SURE [per their own words] that the gov. body are indeed all mentally ill.
That was great reasoning against the 144,000 being a literal number. When you think about it, the belief that only 144,000 are anointed Christians has led on to the horrible jw version of armageddon. Why do I say that? Well, Rutherford introduced the other sheep doctrine when he recognised that the literal 144,000 number must surely have been filled by his time, yet, still they hadn't been taken to heaven. Why? So he reinvented the other sheep to mean a non anointed class that must yet be gathered or harvested by the anointed. What naturally follows the harvest according to Jesus? The chaff or weeds are burned...ie. armageddon. Also the goats go off into destruction, ie. Armageddon. Isn't it the case that jws used to teach only one "armageddon" at the end of the 1000 year reign and they taught that the separating and harvest took place during the 1000 year reign, not before? Now they have a pre-armageddon armageddon. Or a pre-end "end". If you count the flood in Noahs day that would make it three. Sorry...I hope I haven't been too confusing. Lol. Of course, please correct me if I'm off.
The GB are NOT 144k. They are Gentiles first. Only the Israelites rule in kingdom. Revelation7:5 - 15.
They are not mediators either. The Messiah is the mediator.
Be on the watch. These men are apostate
I haven't heard a JW open prayer with, 'Hey daddy-o...' That's irreverent. The org is showing it's true 'control freak / apostate' colors.
@4.58,
Abraham under the mosaic law covenant?
Oops! My bad.
John 1:1,14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father ), full of grace and truth."
It's difficult for those who was indoctrinated as JW to understand who Jesus is but we need to. God took the Spirit of His Word and send Him to be born as human and save us from sin and death. Jesus shares God's titles First and the Last, Alpha and Omega and others. JW fail to understand fully the role of Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and do not confess Him as such in order to be saved: Rom 10:9: "because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".
Jesus is still Lord to non-trinitarians, but that does not mean he has to then be God. There is a difference. That's why Hebrews and Psalms both say "the LORD said to my Lord" (the accurate translation being "YHWH said to my Lord"), as this indicates "two different Lords". God is the LORD, whilst Jesus is the "one Lord" (aka one king) who is not God, but serves under the LORD/YHWH.
"…for us there is but one God , the Father , from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus [the] Anointed, through whom all things came and through whom we exist”. - 1 Corinthians 8:6
“When Jesus had spoken these things, he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, ‘ Father , the hour has arrived… Now this is eternal life, that they may know You , the only true God , and Jesus [the] Anointed whom You have sent‘”. - John 17:1, 3
"Jesus said to her: ‘...‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God .’” - John 20:17
If you do actual research into the historical texts and the grammatic rules of ancient Greek, the translation of "a god/divine person" in John 1:1 is perfectly acceptable, and separates the Son from the Father perfectly. However, the translation of "Word was God" results in Modalism, "that the Son is the Father" (which the Trinity rejects), and it also isn't grammatically correct as it's;
"Tontheon was with logos and logos was theos"...
Which is a very similar use of grammar Paul used in Corinthians to separate Satan as the "god of this world" from God almighty in the same passage; "HoTheos of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of [the] Anointed, who is the image of TouTheou“.
Note the variables of the theos, theon and theou, this is a Greek grammar rule used to separate beings from one another to avoid confusion for the native reader. This is what Paul did with Satan and God Almighty, who are both "called God" in the same passage, and it's the same grammatic practice John does in John 1:1 to separate the Word and God Almighty.
Also, to give benefit of the doubt... even IF the text said the "Word is God" (which isn't grammatically possible anyway), that still doesn't mean Jesus is God as the Word, but it means Jesus is the "spoken agent" of God, the proximal representative of God, so Jesus 'is God' not in a literal sense, but in a representational sense. People who represent others in the Bible are often given that person's name or title in that role (it's all over the OT and NT). It's so important to be familiar with ancient Jewish theology and language in this respect.
Non-trinitarians are not exclusive to JWs and ex-JWs, it's not JW teaching, it's an ancient teaching of many historical Christians going back to the 1st century and beyond (if you read historical Christian texts). JWs just happened to pick it up along with several other groups at the time of the Restoration movement.
I have done unbiased research and study philosophically, historically and textually of the Trinity and various other Christologies (such as Modalism, Unitarianism, etc) and have argued fairly both for and against the idea of Jesus being God Almighty. I even learned Catholic theology and gained a 100% understanding of the metaphysical construct of the Trinity and the meanings of the three-fold consubstantial divine simplicity and oneness of substance.... but based on my studies, I found it all to be a false teaching.
You can read my articles on my site if genuinely interested (link on my channel page). Of course, I don't judge people who believe in the Trinity, it's their choice to believe what the correct interpretation of scripture is, we all answer to Jesus our judge individually at the end of the day. However, I must strongly attest, sticking to non-trinitarianism, has nothing to do with being "stuck in indoctrination", such a remark is quite offensive, ignorant and dismissive of the actual authentic arguments that can be attested against the Trinity.
Using the phrase "it's a JW teaching so it's wrong" is baseless, and if anything 'that' is the real symptom of not being able to let go of indoctrination, black and white thinking.
I could not have said it better, and in fact, could not even have said it as well. Thank you so much Proselytiser of Jah.
@@ProselyteofYah Yes, I agree with Eric, well said, Proselytiser of Yah! I also find that trinitarians cannot think originally, cannot reason from the scriptures without reading from a script. It is wholly unimaginative to follow a theology which has no logical basis. The best they can often do, it seems, is to engage in ad hominem attacks.
What about children with regard to going to heaven?
God doesn't tell us. There are many logistical questions concerning our salvation that leave our head spinning if we try to work them out ourselves, but our Father has not revealed these things to us. He wants us to have faith in him and trust that he has it all well in hand.
There are more children because we are all children if we have faith in Jesus but there s only 144,000, the number you can find in the OT too but no ones talks about it. 😌
There are fathers, then there are fathers. My husbands father was an overly strict disciplinarian who left my husband with very low self esteem . He really had no affection for his father. He feared him more than anything even though he did respect him . It's easy to see why some people would find difficulty accepting that Jesus' father , whom, we are told, Jesus emulated perfectly, is the same as Jehovah, the God of the Hebrews/Jews. When you read about the Hebrew God it is really hard to feel closeness, affection or familial love for him. He is more like the kind of father that "exasperates his children"..one that you have to walk on eggshells around because you never know what kind of a mood he's in and who you can't predict because what he says and how he acts seems illogical and doesn't make sense (from a strategic or human standpoint..lol) But if you can feel familial closeness to someone like that, well, all power to you! I would call it an abusive relationship myself.
But it was the Hebrew God, Yahweh, who sent his Son, Yeshua (Jesus) to die for us. It was the Hebrew God who put up with the stubborn, rebellious, and faithless Israelites for 1,600 years before finally eradicating the nation. And it is Jesus who will destroy the wicked. Read the account of the 7 congregations in Revelation as evidence. Yahweh is kind to those who are motivated by true love, but he does not tolerate hatred toward one's fellow human.
JW’s deny the deity of Christ. Jesus was God in the flesh. He says I and my father are one. Jesus is not an angel. Jesus is not Michael. Jesus is God in the flesh. Emmanuel means “God with us”
BANG ON SUSAN...JUST THINK THAT OUR CREATOR CAME AS A MAN TO SAVE HIS CREATION AND THEY DENIED HIM AND PUT HIM TO DEATH..JESUS SPOKE AND TAUGHT WHAT HIS HEAVENLY FATHER TOLD HIM TO SAY. SO AS A MAN JESUS WAS THE SON..BUT AS THE ASSENDED SAVIOR Isaiah 9.versus 6. His Name is WONDERFUL COUNSELLER, THE MIGHTY GOD. THE EVERLASTING FATHER..PRINCE OF PEACE...HMMM
So no listening at all to counterarguments, just mindlessly repeating swallowed dogma. If God with us is his name, it refers to someone else than himself.
@Susan A,
You seem very dogmatic.
You need to accept that many people have a different view to yours.
I for example,
don't agree with your statement,
'Jesus was God in the flesh.'
And I'm not a Jehovahs Witness.
@@billyroland2758 I like strong opinions, without them there can never be an open discussion. But it seems the dogmatic ones don't really have any opinions.
What do you mean by "God in the flesh" Susan A? Something similar to the angel that lead the israelites in the desert, he was carrying God's name?
The angels have both an attitude of deep respect and are overly familiar. In 1 Kings 21, Jehovah was sitting on his throne and looked to the left and right as he conferred with the angels, and asked them who wanted to fool Ahab. One of the spirits came forward and said, "I will" and Jehovah even asked him how, what is your game plan so to speak. The angels don't know God as a distant king. Maybe they were laughing because we know Jehovah invented laughed in both humans and animals.
The scriptures say to pray without let up....What are you going to be praying about without let up if you are not overly familiar? What child asks for an egg and a father gives him as serpent? A child wouldn't as an intimidating distant father for an egg at all. Showing to view Jehovah as a father saying how much more will God give those give holy spirit to those asking. I had an old cassette tape that was Dan Sidekicks talk called Don't Lose Heart. He said not to give "sweetie sweetie prayers" ....He used the scripture in 2 Kings 13:18 to say just that, get overly familiar. Elisha was told to shoot the arrows on the ground and he stopped after three and Jehovah said you should have shot them 5 or 6 times and but you gave up. Sidlik said when you pray tell God how you REALLY feel, beat the walls, tell him what you feel like on the inside, be real with God and he will be real with you.
Once I told a "sister" of a prayer that I know Jehovah answered that was different than WT. She said why would Jehovah tell you and not the "faithful and discreet slave" and 8 million. I said to myself afterward, why would God give them the answer to my prayer? Maybe it wasn't their prayer. :)
Jeremiah 33:3
It sounds like the GB destroyed life’s
NOT SOUNDS, THEY DO.
If 144000 literal then surely 24 elders before throne is literal? And not representing all of annointed
That's hilarous. Maybe that will be Watchtower's new New Light. They will go on a talent hunt to find 24 elders for those positions before the throne. They will take their pictures and put them online, right along with the photo of the latest graduating Gilead class. Also, those 24 elders will be made legally responsible for everything Watchtower does, while the GB will continue to make and enforce the organizational rules. The names and contact information of the 24 elders will be distributed to every prosecuting attorney so those attorneys will know where to send the subpoenas.
The commandments where given well after Abraham passed on