Brooklyn Bethel Letter Reply Regarding Overlapping Generations Question Jehovah's Witnesses Doctrine

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  • We wrote to Brooklyn Bethel the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses as we were sincerely trying to find scriptural backing for the overlapping generations Watchtower of January 2014, watch this to find out what they provided!

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  • @janedow9782
    @janedow9782 Před 6 lety +32

    When I stopped going to meetings, I felt better and better. Many days I go to bed early, at times I do some Bible study, I never feel guilty. I feel closer to God than I ever did before. The organization is a substitute for what I was looking for, once you have the real deal, you no longer need a substitute. Thank you for your great videos. Peace

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety

      aaa 'This Generation Will not pass away' Matt 24:34 Which Generation was Jesus speaking of? (one minute 34 seconds)
      czcams.com/video/PhD7Du6jzPc/video.html
      ,

  • @EfrainRiveraJunior
    @EfrainRiveraJunior Před 3 lety +15

    The “Overlapping Generations” teaching was what woke me up.

    • @johnryan1798
      @johnryan1798 Před 3 lety

      Which generation did Xi Jinping have in mind when he told his 200 million Chinese troops to prepare to invade the United States at any moment?
      Which generation is going through a 'pandemic' right now that's going to lead to a world wide lockdown in which businesses will never recover and the Great Reset begins?

    • @EfrainRiveraJunior
      @EfrainRiveraJunior Před 3 lety +4

      @@johnryan1798 - Uh, what?

    • @johnryan1798
      @johnryan1798 Před 3 lety +1

      @@EfrainRiveraJunior Never mind, go back to bed. I thought you might be one of those people who claim to be 'awake' from the 'truth', now that you left.

    • @EfrainRiveraJunior
      @EfrainRiveraJunior Před 3 lety +2

      @@johnryan1798 - I actually am awake, not from "the truth," but from the J-Dub Cult. Good night.

    • @johnryan1798
      @johnryan1798 Před 3 lety +1

      @@EfrainRiveraJunior Good for you! Then you know the truth what's about to take place soon with the *new* economy that's going to replace this when the second world wide lockdown begins, right? It's called the Great Reset. You probably already know that. Do you know what's going to be used as 'currency' instead of money? Yup, just waiting on 5G to be fully up and running!
      Get use to hearing the phrase 'You will own nothing, and you will be happy'.
      This 'pandemic' is just the first phase.
      And just when you thought things were going to get back to normal!

  • @DWAtwood
    @DWAtwood Před 9 lety +38

    Watchtower strategy - keep them baffled with vagueness until they just give up & stop asking.

    • @MrGetonyourbike
      @MrGetonyourbike Před 9 lety +5

      +D.W. Atwood exactly tell you what mate they got degrees in it

    • @ronniegrady4626
      @ronniegrady4626 Před 8 lety +3

      +D.W. Atwood. That is exactly what they are doing. I have been trying to learn Watchtower doctrine. For the purpose of confrontation at the door with witnesses. But trying to have a discussion of scripture, their scripture!! Is like your father telling you to do 2 things at the same time, Your just going What! Are you insane? My latest was trying to read through the story of the encounter with GOD at the burning bush. It was absolutely the biggest joke I have ever seen.
      It is positively clear, that this Watchtower organization PURPOSELY, and with INTENT to remove what the text says and say something else.

    • @julianjarquin3859
      @julianjarquin3859 Před 5 lety

      There is no people of god, never has been and never will. It is all ASTROTHEOLOGY, especially Egyptian via Hinduism. The Greeks wrote the Bible, there was so called christianity was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before so called jesus(SEUZ). Why does the Bible jump from Malachi to Matthew and there is no reference of the Greek Empire there?
      So called Israel is Egyptian 100%, and it means ISIS amunRA (amen after praying) and EL or Saturn elohim thus so called jewish go to the temple on Saturday.
      So called Solomon is SOL or SUN in Latin and OM from OHM or Omega or chanting OHM in Hinduism and ON as in the Egyptian city ON meaning electrical power, SUN POWER, electron in our body etc thus you turn the light on.
      Jacob called the place where he saw God PENIAL as in the PENIAL GLAND or the 3rd eye in Egyptian self knowledge of men.
      Russell was a mason from the York masonic side thus they chose NEW YORK as the headquarter. Russell studied Egyptian Mythology and he understood all of it.
      There is no religion, no so called people of god. It is a hidden code you must search or research.

    • @ritamcdonald3013
      @ritamcdonald3013 Před 4 lety +1

      D.W. Atwood I say stop all free labour and donations I no door to door without only bible teachings , reject their books and magazines without donations they don’t get 1000 fir scotch or 20 thousand dollars for a Rolex No more tailored suits and steak dinners. It’s time for charity they have billions of dollars and there are hungry widows and children they should be helping , god and jesus will take care of their sorry asses

    • @enyawrebbuj9458
      @enyawrebbuj9458 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ronniegrady4626 have you ever read Raymond Franz's book titled "In search of christian freedom" or listened to Brigitte of AZ on CZcams......very interesting dialogues between her and current witnesses. Jwfacts.com is also brilliant.

  • @enyawrebbuj9458
    @enyawrebbuj9458 Před 3 lety +16

    As an ex elder and Special Pioneer I too was greatly troubled by this new teaching/understanding as you were. My mum always said to go to the" head and not the tail" and ask them .....IF they don't know the answer how will the rank and file fare any better. So thanks for sharing your well expressed letter and the Societies response....very damning indeed. You got me sub'd! Thanks for posting!!!!!

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety +1

      aaa 'This Generation Will not pass away' Matt 24:34 Which Generation was Jesus speaking of? (one minute 34 seconds)
      czcams.com/video/PhD7Du6jzPc/video.html
      ,

    • @heatherjohnson3002
      @heatherjohnson3002 Před 2 lety

      Jehovah witnesses change doctrine to fit their own lies.

    • @hektorlinko
      @hektorlinko Před 2 lety +1

      So I'm now 48 and I left when I was 17 in the 90's. So please tell me if I'm not crazy..I was raised a jw and to this very day I'm not a jw. I live my own life, have a family, had an extreme wild life as I'm a metal head, punk, goth industrial music person, etc. Long story short I still hold the good things that the witness held like manners, respect etc. however I feel like the jw never left me. It's like I still have a piece of the jw's still in my mind and body to this very day as it has never left. Every so often I still feel guilt and other such crazy religious feelings. I know it sounds insane but I feel like the way Marines always say...."there are no ex marines as once you retire the marines always stay with you." So I feel like that as in the witness always stays with you even though you left. Sorry the for the long rant. I still take the good values of jw life with me...not the bible or religious or jehovah stuff. I hope I'm not crazy for thinking this.

    • @user-vo4wc2jz8g
      @user-vo4wc2jz8g Před rokem

      ​​@@hektorlinko not crazy at all 😃 I'm in the same position and i feel like you should feel free to take good ideas and behaviours from absolutely anywhere you find them. You have the added benefit to reject the stuff you don't like 🥳 But do try to let the guilt go my friend, life is to be lived

  • @writegillian
    @writegillian Před 8 lety +6

    I thank your family sincerely for sharing this news. It is earth shattering for me even as a NonJW. May God bless you and yours. The Holy Spirit of truth, the real truth is ever present. Awesome!

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety

      aaa 'This Generation Will not pass away' Matt 24:34 Which Generation was Jesus speaking of? (one minute 34 seconds)
      czcams.com/video/PhD7Du6jzPc/video.html
      ,

  • @libradocastro6348
    @libradocastro6348 Před 3 lety +4

    Overlapping lies is how l percib those things . With a fresh mind this morning . Thanks Jesus

  • @chinchilla415
    @chinchilla415 Před 3 měsíci +1

    If I would introduce anyone to an overlapping work shift, or overlapping lunch break, they'd look at me like I had three heads.

  • @dmcarden
    @dmcarden Před 8 lety +42

    When this doctrine came out, that's when I stopped attending for good..its sad really..so many people, including myself used to believe the end was close... now with my father at 84 passing last year, reality really sank in. They may be sincere, at least I believe the rank and file are, but its sad how they keep putting new carrots out in front of the flock to keep them going..but I think in the next few years, more and more will just fade away like I did.. there's only so much you can logically force yourself to believe before it becomes ludicrous

    • @ReachingOut
      @ReachingOut  Před 8 lety +6

      Well said, the WT required us to suspend all logical thinking!

    • @LadiesnGentlman
      @LadiesnGentlman Před 8 lety +5

      I pray you have not lost your faith in God or His Word, Yeshua.
      False prophets (Deu 18:20-22) destroy the flock (Jer 23:1; 2 Pet 2:1-3). This is why the church in America is so weak today. It has been destroyed by those who separated themselves (Jude 19), going out from the congregation (1 John 2:18-19) proving they were never really of us. These be they who go beyond the scripture (Rev 22:18,19) binding the conscience of men, shutting them out of the Kingdom (Matt 23:13), neither enter in for themselves.
      They pull down the authority of the Word of God (Ex 23:21; Psalm 138:2; Matt 28:18; John 20:28), dragging His Name through the mud (Ex 20:7; Matt 28:19), degrading and discrediting the authority of God's Word, Satan's attack plan of old (Gen 3:1).
      They pull down the authority of the Word of God (Dan 7:14), and exalt their own (Isa 14:12-15). One of the many, false, 'anointed' servants who have come after Christ (Matt 24:4,5). Like the Pope, or Muhammad, or Joseph Smith, so like the WT.
      Yet, God's Word is perfect, Holy, True, and never changing; the same yesterday, today, and forever; that which was, and is, and is to come.
      What He was He is, and what He is He will be, forever (Mal 3:6; Heb 1:10-12).
      Don't leave Him, He was, is, and will forever be, Faithful and True. The promise is to them who overcome. Press into Him, earnestly desire, HIM. Not a man, not an organization, Him, and Him alone. If so, He will give you the desires of your heart (Ps 37:4).
      I rest on one word, 'And the Lord whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His temple' (Mal 3:1).
      Even so, come, Lord Jesus (Rev 22:20).

    • @thetruthrover
      @thetruthrover Před 8 lety +4

      Whether the end is close or not shouldn't really be a factor. Hell, Jesus made it sound as if the end were coming within one generation of his lifetime. Remember, in essence, Jesus said the same thing 'Judge' Rutherford said: "There are some of you standing here today who will not taste death at all, until first they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with great glory...." Nearly every member of every Christian denomination has been expecting the END to come during his/her lifetime.

    • @dmcarden
      @dmcarden Před 8 lety

      thetruthrover
      True

    • @elizabeths4371
      @elizabeths4371 Před 8 lety +1

      Jesus was speaking of the end of the Mosaic system of things.
      When the Romans laid siege to the city of Jerusalem and finally overthrew it in A.D. 70, the temple was burnt to the ground, the Jews were killed and /or dispersed, and the High Priesthood, the Sanhedrim and the sacrificial service were all abolished.
      JESUS' prediction came TRUE within the lifetime of those Jews whom He was specifically addressing while He was alive on earth.
      God came to His chosen people with Judgement because of they refused to believe in His Son whom HE'd sent to save them.

  • @MarcCora
    @MarcCora Před 8 lety +32

    A great video. We are so glad you are all free as a family. Its only when we all looked behind the curtain of the Wizard of Oz did we see and then realise what a scam the whole thing really is. Thank you so much for sharing this most revealing of replies from the men who claim to be Gods Spokesman on earth. We are sure this will help many as they watch on.

    • @edmundboateng7324
      @edmundboateng7324 Před 5 lety +1

      Marc Cora
      yes it's a scam,a LIE, a con ,jail,wrong, not REAL, waste of time, vacuum, CRAP, trap, detestable,ugly, fantasy, deppresor, etc ETC that's what ORG IS.ANGELA FROM KENYA IN IRELAND

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety

      aaa 'This Generation Will not pass away' Matt 24:34 Which Generation was Jesus speaking of? (one minute 34 seconds)
      czcams.com/video/PhD7Du6jzPc/video.html
      ,

    • @KristinaUSA-x5n
      @KristinaUSA-x5n Před 2 lety

      Ironically Otis Lloyd Turner was my grandfather and great grandfather's name and was the director of the 1918 Wizard of Oz director and connected to Jesuit Freemasons and Mormons and Catholics and Turner Broadcasting Company and Warner Brothers and Time Warner and The Turner Diaries is what influenced the David Koresh Branch Davidians cult and Timothy McVeigh Oklahoma City bomber and Atlanta Olympics bomber. They covered up abusing me and made it to where I did not get my inheritance and was libeled for reporting abuse.

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety

      @@KristinaUSA-x5n The Future of White supremacy (1 minute 5 seconds) czcams.com/video/gykujXt8mqc/video.html

  • @sundance8862
    @sundance8862 Před 8 lety +26

    Thank you for sharing this. What you received here is a standard Customer Service reply to a complaint. You, as a "customer" of the "Truth" product**, have been following the manufacturer's directions and have gotten NO RESULT after years of applying. It is also obvious that since you now know that the "truth" product does not, and CANNOT deliver the results that it promises, there really is nothing else that they can say that they haven't already said.
    **"Your results may vary. Here, please accept a coupon for a new tube of our outstanding "truth" ointment. Guaranteed to work within ONE GENERATION.

    • @cindyarnold7322
      @cindyarnold7322 Před 5 lety +2

      Sundance88 I love the way you explain their "explanation"! The more I watch the more I learn.

    • @lancemilliken9078
      @lancemilliken9078 Před 5 lety +1

      Sundance88 no money back guarantee?

  • @modig2000
    @modig2000 Před 5 lety +5

    The overlapping, overlapped, overlappined, overlappings, of the overlappinesses, (Please, use discernment the reader).

  • @exposingthewolves8711
    @exposingthewolves8711 Před 7 lety +4

    Great upload. I did the same thing and wrote to Brooklyn regarding the organisations membership of the United Nations to be told they were only members so they could utilise the UN library !!!!

    • @joanjohnson5973
      @joanjohnson5973 Před 3 měsíci

      That is untrue. Everyone can utilize that library, in person or on line. Back then you could not Google anything, boy have times changed. Besides if it was true that that was the only reason, why not tell all of us rank and file??

  • @BP-zq6xf
    @BP-zq6xf Před 4 lety +6

    i can see your real happiness of finally finding out something so you could stop your meetings...it is just so obvious by your facial expressions that you were desiring this moment of finding something on them.. I would have just left...no need to 'look" for something. I can see why some us look at them as a cult...cause of people like you...peace and welcome back to this world enjoy it..it is so much fun like I said you should have been enjoying it long ago.

  • @pastorbarronjeremiah5852
    @pastorbarronjeremiah5852 Před 8 lety +6

    Interesting, I passed Calc 4 (A+) , Linear Algebra(A+), Differential Equations(A+) and all the Advanced Chemistry and Biology Classes for a degree in Science. Am I just a stupid person who does not see what they see what they see, like the "Emperor's New Clothes?" I watched a video with my Seven year old, "The Emperor's New Clothes" and he kept asking "Dad, how come all the people during the Parade don't catch his nudity before the kid does?"

  • @bretherenlee1404
    @bretherenlee1404 Před 5 lety +4

    Matt24:4-5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Annointed,’ and will deceive many.

  • @danalan9559
    @danalan9559 Před 5 lety +6

    Wow ! Thanks so so much. So uplifting that U and others are fully aware of the deterioration of so called " accurate knowledge " presented by the WTBTS . I'm studying My way out 👍

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety

      aaa 'This Generation Will not pass away' Matt 24:34 Which Generation was Jesus speaking of? (one minute 34 seconds)
      czcams.com/video/PhD7Du6jzPc/video.html
      ,

  • @guillermovilla9517
    @guillermovilla9517 Před 8 lety +24

    The generation/1914 teaching is a complete disaster. I told my wife, who still goes to the meetings, that I would have more respect for them if they said they didn't know what it meant, instead of this continual change in "understanding". They look foolish every time "Jehovah" shines "light" on their bullshit. It's like they have to prove they have god's spirit if they have an explanation for every scripture. I stopped going to the KH in September of 2014.

    • @adobemastr
      @adobemastr Před 8 lety +2

      +GuillermoVilla Your day of freedom from the WTBTS prison occurred in Sept. of 2014. You are a blessed man; many never break free.

    • @johnfreeman8445
      @johnfreeman8445 Před 8 lety +3

      im in the same position .im fading and stopping doing any thing but still take wife who is keen jw to meetings at weekends .she does not understand the generation either .i dont know any in the k h who want to even talk about it even the elders.! its become obvious that they make it up as they go along . As somone said" what do you think of it so far? " answer " RUBBISH".

    • @cruzdeleon1888
      @cruzdeleon1888 Před 5 lety +1

      GuillermoVilla correct. A clear example is the arrogance of Geoffrey Jackson at the Royal Commission in Australia interview. Its the same know it all-vaguely not all support it- crap that comes out of their 'human' heads Not the bible

    • @Sportliveonline
      @Sportliveonline Před 3 lety +1

      the Jehovah`s Witnesses have Not been round Doors for 8 months Now and not for in the for seeable future ~~~~niether have they meet in Kingdom Halls ~~~and No one is being disfellowshipped as far as i know because they do not meet up in big groups ~~unless you are making card board cut outs ~~~~they are another Internet Religion ~~but go on its all about arguing on a screen which anyone can turn off or delete~~~~bye bye fear and control ~~

    • @guillermovilla9517
      @guillermovilla9517 Před 3 lety +1

      @@adobemastr I came back here because someone left a reply and saw the other comments. My wife and kids left the Witnesses 2 years after I did. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @castle1144
    @castle1144 Před 9 lety +17

    Thanks for your video, it's interesting that more people are questioning the changes made by the watchtower and not being blinded by the lies. Their letter proves their total inability to prove what they are expecting people to swallow without question. Look forward to more videos and interested in your story and wether there were other things that started to wake you up.

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety

      aaa 'This Generation Will not pass away' Matt 24:34 Which Generation was Jesus speaking of? (one minute 34 seconds)
      czcams.com/video/PhD7Du6jzPc/video.html
      ,

  • @DavidTaylor-ki2ir
    @DavidTaylor-ki2ir Před 6 lety +3

    That’s an extraordinarily well-written letter to the Society. Kudos.

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety

      aaa 'This Generation Will not pass away' Matt 24:34 Which Generation was Jesus speaking of? (one minute 34 seconds)
      czcams.com/video/PhD7Du6jzPc/video.html
      ,

  • @lovelyjvjoan
    @lovelyjvjoan Před 8 lety +3

    I am from Lapulapu City, Cebu, Philippines. I was born in a family that are Jehovah's Witnesses. I am also a Witness. My husband retired early from military service in 2013 to join me in my faith. My two sons and my husband got baptized in 2014. It is our goal to serve the One True God as Jehovah's Witnesses. I took up PSS last October 19-24, 2015.
    Last December, i came out into open about some of my queries. I am too afraid to ask because i know it is risky. My questions are as follows:
    1.) Why can't we follow closely the examples set by our Lord Jesus Christ and his apostles in addressing to our Heavenly Father? In fact, Jeremiah 3:19 NWT says: "I also thought that you would call me, ‘My Father!’ ". They never address the Almighty God in such a way that we, Jehovah's Witnesses, frequently do. One of my Bible Studies who attended the meeting for the first time commented: "I like the prayer but i just wonder why in your publications, casual conversations, and here in the Kingdom Hall, you often used to address our Heavenly Father simply as "Jehovah" alone." He was stumbled and refused to continue his study.
    2.) Are we not responsible for others who showed interest in the Bible but got stumbled because of our tradition in addressing the Almighty? Yes, i was convinced that being Jehovah God's friends, we are authorized to call Him that way as the prophets did, who existed before Christ, BUT I am afraid of what the Bible said at 1 Cor. 8:9, 11, 12 NWT: "But keep watching that your right to choose (authority) does not somehow become a stumbling block to those who are weak.11 So by your knowledge the man who is weak is being ruined, your brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you are sinning against Christ.
    3.)How does the organization apply the words of our Lord at Acts 1:7 when our Lord instructed to his apostles: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction" and yet there were time prophesies made by our organization like for example about 1914, 1925, and 1975? When those time prophesies failed, who, then, were accountable to the Almighty, or should we say to the Christ, for those who got stumbled and left this organization? I am afraid to say that they were those whom we know and called as "faithful and discreet slaves" who fed them and who are now feeding us "new light". I was shocked upon realizing these things that i cannot control my tears in my supplications for forgiveness for all my negative thoughts about them because we deeply respect and commend them for everything they’ve done for us.
    4.) In our book entitled God's Kingdom Rules (kr-CV) pp:102 i saw the pictures of the last Christmas celebration in 1926 and the Cross and Crown which was used until 1931. So, my question is: What was the basis of claiming in 1919, that this organization became the God's Spirit-directed organization?
    5.) If the light is getting brighter and brighter,
    a.) can you explain what does our 2012 calendar mean when it said "the gathering of the humans with earthly hope began after Christ came into Kingdom power in 1914"?
    b.) can you explain what the Watchtower Study Edition, March 15, 2015, foretold?
    Learn From the Illustration of the Talents
    Par 11.) Jesus said: “After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled accounts with them.” (Matthew 25:19) The Master, Jesus, will do this toward the end of the great tribulation.
    Par. 13.) Just before the great tribulation, God will give his final approval to the hardworking anointed ones who are still on earth at that time. This is their final sealing. (Revelation 7:1-3)
    Question: If final sealing has been done before the great tribulation, how come that there’s still ‘settling of accounts’ toward the end of the great tribulation?
    I do believe that the True God is not of confusion.
    According to Insights of the Holy Scriptures, ANTICHRIST means "denial of any or all of the Scriptural teachings concerning Christ".
    When i asked some of the elders in our congregation about these things, they told me that if i wont stop questioning the organization which means questioning our God, which is bad, then i will be disfellowshipped.
    I can see now that the structure is just the same as those of the Pharisees cited at John 16:2,3 NWT Men will expel you from the synagogue. In fact, the hour is coming when everyone who kills you will think he has offered a sacred service to God. But they will do these things because they have not come to know either the Father or me.
    I cannot anymore see God's love in this organization nor the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ guiding this organization.
    Me and my family are so sad because we are now afraid that we will lose all our friends and relatives who are Jehovah's Witnesses (my uncle is an Assembly Overseer but cannot also answer our questions). We do not have outsider friends aside from our Bible Studies because we kept ourselves busy in group witnessing, cart witnessing, handling Bible Studies, family worship, attending midweek and week-end meetings, and personal Bible study. I feel pity for my family and feel responsible for the situation.
    I feel like i am spiritually hungry while the organization keeps on claiming that we are in a spiritual paradise. I seek for more spiritual food but then they would like to disfellowship me (for apostacy?) and perhaps all of us in the family which includes my husband and two sons.
    We are supplicating that the Holy Spirit of our Heavenly Father thru our Lord Jesus Christ will guide us towards His true congregation.

    • @elliesambrook5929
      @elliesambrook5929 Před rokem

      You need to read a real bible without anything else

    • @user-vo4wc2jz8g
      @user-vo4wc2jz8g Před rokem

      I would just say one thing... real truth stands up to any amount of scrutiny.
      If an organisation is forbidding you to read certain things, unless its their own website or literature, why is that?

  • @tanyadepoalo9085
    @tanyadepoalo9085 Před 6 lety +3

    Thank you for sharing. Wow...they provided ZERO scriptural references in their response back to you. Unreal! I've been researching things the last few months and have decided to stop going to meetings as well. I don't believe any longer that this is God's chosen organization. I'm believing more and more that...we all have a personal relationship w God and we have the freedom to approach him and come to accurate understandings through our one on one connection with him. We are all important...not just JWs!

    • @ReachingOut
      @ReachingOut  Před 6 lety +1

      Tanya Depoalo really pleased to hear you're stopping going to meetings - best decision we ever made!!

  • @leejohnson6328
    @leejohnson6328 Před 3 lety +2

    you did your job on this particular subject no one should be making any doctrine there should scriptures that prove it and the letter shows clearly they have zero

  • @IamNemoN01
    @IamNemoN01 Před 5 lety +4

    Don’t you love how the Watchtower Society refers us to the Watchtower as proof of what the Watchtower says?
    But this is the very same (annoying frustrating and foolish) CIRCULAR REASONING Witnesses apply whenever they explain “scriptural” doctrines that can’t be explained with scripture. And of course if you don’t understand, that’s your fault, and you need to pray for understanding - and reread [the Watchtower] until it makes sense.

  • @LivingNow
    @LivingNow Před 8 lety +6

    It feels good when we have the confirmation and proof that we've made the right decision to leave, doesn't it?

    • @nicosyiallouris1103
      @nicosyiallouris1103 Před 3 lety +2

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    • @nicosyiallouris1103
      @nicosyiallouris1103 Před 3 lety +1

      🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

  • @JW714
    @JW714 Před 8 lety +14

    Hello ex bro and sisters after 36 years,5 yrs free

  • @jeneb52
    @jeneb52 Před 6 lety +3

    Maybe it's their round about way of saying that they don't know either! Good video, and happy you are out.

  • @artmannify
    @artmannify Před 7 lety +10

    Thank you thank you THANK YOU for this! especially the conclusion makes me happy!
    Or..
    "To those of 1914: have you not yet learned to OBEY and NOT question the Governing Body!? Do you not know that "if the Watchtower says the sky is green.. then the sky is green!??"
    Please people: question the watchtower! Please question their LOVE for you!! Are they treating you with love and respect???

  • @junieb.9302
    @junieb.9302 Před 6 lety +3

    When I googled the definition of the word generation it said "people who live in relatively the same time period". So even though Joseph had some older brothers and some younger ones who outlived him, they still lived in relatively the SAME time period. Not only that, but the Insight book under generation says people who are born about the same time in the very first sentence. It does go on to say that Jesus' use of generation in Matthew: "he was also using the word “generation” with reference to humans whose lives would in some way be associated with the foretold events during his presence". There is NOTHING about overlapping life spans in their own publication!!! It's totally new... I don't see how "new light" = changing the definition of words. Ugh.

  • @marcoselosegui9792
    @marcoselosegui9792 Před 8 lety +2

    Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten."
    1984

  • @stigb56
    @stigb56 Před 5 lety +1

    Exactly how long a generation is explain i Matthew 1 1- 17 , really easy to understand !

  • @sean2val
    @sean2val Před 9 lety +10

    great channel thank you helps with clearing my head of watchtower lies because i still keep thinking i am doing something wrong by not believing there teachings any more , its scary sometimes feel like you are losing it, but you make it very clear thx so much

    • @leejohnson6328
      @leejohnson6328 Před 2 lety

      aaa 'This Generation Will not pass away' Matt 24:34 Which Generation was Jesus speaking of? (one minute 34 seconds)
      czcams.com/video/PhD7Du6jzPc/video.html
      ,

  • @thetruthrover
    @thetruthrover Před 8 lety +1

    In other words, even Watchtower's presumptuousness, and reproachful predictions will not stop God from doing what he said he would. There's a Watchtower article which actually tries to pat itself on the back for continually 'crying wolf' by claiming that it is far better to have a watchman who is overly sensitive, than one who fails to give warning. The problem with this reasoning, is that the first or second 'false alarm' would probably get most watchmen fired. Indeed, Deuteronomy 18:10 DEMANDS it.

  • @dougobrien4877
    @dougobrien4877 Před 3 lety +1

    The word “overlapping” only appears one time in the NWT translation when describing Goliath’s armor. 1Samuel 17:5

  • @jlebrech
    @jlebrech Před 9 lety +22

    you were too clever for the hive

  • @lesliethomas7234
    @lesliethomas7234 Před 3 lety +2

    You were so nice and cute about the greatest con game executed by WT, it was as though you blunted the evil dagger.

  • @davidwalsh5526
    @davidwalsh5526 Před 6 měsíci

    At least you got a reply, belated as it was, sad to say it wasn't helpful. I wrote to London Bethel in early 90's about CSA but did not receive any such reply, although there had been police involvement. I left that organisation in 2005 it was the best way forward. Most of the JW's I know are lovely people but they are somehow blinded by the promise of everlasting life on a paradise earth. We will see. Thank you for your video. David Walsh.

  • @jeffreycanning3187
    @jeffreycanning3187 Před 6 lety +1

    In the mid seventies our overseer said “The end is that close the watchtower is now talking in ‘months’ not ‘years’. I was also told those who ‘saw’ 1914 and understood its significance would have to be at least late teens. That means they would have had to be born around 1896 or thereabouts. And in 1975 there would only be a few alive... So even back then 1914 to me seemed like a dud and I was told also that the whole world would be preached to before the end and that there were about 50 Jws in China. So how could the end be ‘months’ away yet millions of Chinese never even heard of the Christian God.
    It’s all bullshit, always was, always will be.

  • @simplifiedlife8607
    @simplifiedlife8607 Před rokem

    I think it was in 1935 when they said the choosing of the anointed was complete. Hence, there never should have been 2 groups of anointed to overlap.

  • @rogersmith9086
    @rogersmith9086 Před 5 lety +2

    What I want to know is did you get a refund.

  • @jasontempleton2445
    @jasontempleton2445 Před 5 lety +2

    Five months? Really shows there dedication to truth, doesn't it? Oh and evidently means we're about to make up something that sounds good.

  • @WOOCKS
    @WOOCKS Před 8 lety +2

    Thank you so much

  • @pjabassettgray
    @pjabassettgray Před 6 lety +1

    Thank you, good insight

  • @billyroland2758
    @billyroland2758 Před rokem

    God bless you and your family. 🙂

  • @nelsonnjikelani4844
    @nelsonnjikelani4844 Před 4 lety +2

    Your question wasn't answered

  • @ZoyaPetrovnaMamina
    @ZoyaPetrovnaMamina Před rokem

    That’s a wonderful example of how they replying. I just wish I can see text of this letter, English is not my first language, but the fact that none of the scripture was provided- say it all.

  • @casgrafx1347
    @casgrafx1347 Před 6 lety +6

    They're a bunch of scam artists

  • @alphonsofrett2757
    @alphonsofrett2757 Před 5 lety +1

    Hello how are you I hope you are very well. Kim and Mikey sent me to your channel

  • @joelflynn790
    @joelflynn790 Před 6 lety +2

    its amazing, they change one word phrase & it completely changes the belief system of the entire community of JW'S. what really makes me angry is that i, like everyone else was/are/am waiting to the generation to die off so we finally have the great trib...now they are essentially saying 1992 or just before, an anointed person may be born, so that means another generation, lol! im waiting for them to tell us a new understanding any day.

  • @PrimeN-dw2ug
    @PrimeN-dw2ug Před 5 lety +1

    I was told. Do not question Jehovah's anointed ones. Pray to Jehovah, he'll give you the understanding. I questioned the same topic. In my case, I kept on asking questions. The answers that I received weren't satisfying. Little to no scriptures were given, just believe what you are told.

    • @ElectricEarth
      @ElectricEarth Před 5 lety

      I am one of Jehovah's anointed ones and i welcome you to question what i teach. In fact, if you can refute my message i will delete my channel and all my work. I am the one Jesus foretold would "restore all things" (Matt. 17:11). I am the messenger of Malachi 3:1-4 and 4:5,6. You can see some of that restoration work on my channel. Be sure to read _every_ comment i posted under my videos to get the full picture. My message will "refine the sons of Levi" once and for all lest Jehovah smite the whole earth, including his own people (4:6).

  • @martyavalon
    @martyavalon Před 8 lety

    I had concerns about this also, but then I remember that it is he that endures to the end is the one that will be saved, They call these things new truths and everyone gets excited again, The generation that saw the beginning of the signs were thought to be Brother Franz who died in 1994 but during the time he lived or to put it another way his generation others were born and witnessed the signs and became anointed, these were known as contemporaries and the youngest I know of is 51 years old who professes to be of the anointed, so according to scripture he will pass through to the Great Tribulation and fulfil bible prophesy by being part of the living anointed to witness the conclusion of the system of things.

  • @observerlink4124
    @observerlink4124 Před 8 lety +3

    I don't know how they can make scripture proven sense out of this.

    • @cosmosgato
      @cosmosgato Před 8 lety +1

      +Observer Link _how they can make scripture proven sense out of this._
      ______
      They can't and they don't.
      But the dullards in the hall simply swallow whatever crap is placed on their plates.

    • @observerlink4124
      @observerlink4124 Před 8 lety +2

      cosmosgato - It's a sad thing to say, but I think your view is correct for the majority of the 'faithful' brothers and sisters. And to make this even more egregious, they're praised for simply swallowing this without question.

  • @bretherenlee1404
    @bretherenlee1404 Před 5 lety +1

    proverbs 30:6 daniel 4:22 O king, you are that tree! this destroys the Watchtower 1914 doctrine

  • @jeffe6338
    @jeffe6338 Před 8 lety +4

    At 7:58 they said.
    "Jehovah is in full control," unfortunately that statement sums up the organizations utter blindness in understanding bible prophecy.
    They doggedly refuse to accept that Jesus Christ is in FULL CONTROL.
    Our Father gave Him "All Authority " Matthew 28:18.
    "Everything has been given into His hands." John3:35
    The organization/governing body refuses to honour the Son in the same way we honour the Father.John 5:23.
    The following verse uttered by our Lord Jesus best describes the plight of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
    John14:23 says.......
    Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."
    I implore all Jws to read carefully Jesus words,you MUST honour Him as you do the Father,it is obedience to that command which is devoid at kingdom halls.
    The evidence of this is the confusing and ever changing doctrines that are being devised by men who refuse to look to Christ who is holding the seven spirits in HIS hand.Revelation 3:1
    It is He that is directing His church on earth,not 7 men in Brooklyn.

  • @gaetanodetorrice5555
    @gaetanodetorrice5555 Před 5 měsíci

    I'm going to read that to my kids as a bedtime story❤😂👍

  • @WitnessForJesus
    @WitnessForJesus Před 6 lety +2

    Great video 👍

  • @dllivery7
    @dllivery7 Před rokem

    Wonderful !!!

  • @deksper
    @deksper Před 8 lety +1

    +Reaching Out "wasn't that worth waiting for (cringe)"? LOL

  • @OriginalJoseyWales
    @OriginalJoseyWales Před 8 lety +2

    So what exactly did Jesus mean by the generation would not pass? Anyone know?

    • @jeffe6338
      @jeffe6338 Před 8 lety +3

      if you read carefully matthew24-1-33 you will see that many of the numerous signs Jesus gave regarding "this generation"are indeed here and thus fulfilled,equally you can also list signs that have NOT yet taken place,they are still future.
      If they are still future,then that would mean the generation that Jesus is speaking about is fluid, at this point in history.It is NOT until every sign that Jesus gave becomes apparent in a single generation then those ones of that time would know.
      Jesus says this in mattew24:34
      34Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
      NOT ALL THINGS HAVE HAPPENED as yet,so it is impossible to define"that generation" at this time.Rather than trying to determine the generation,which the Jw's have done to their own demise.We should rather listen to what Paul tells us to do while we are waiting for Him.
      1 Thessalonians 5:2
      "for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night."
      We need to be awake,ready and on the watch!

    • @OriginalJoseyWales
      @OriginalJoseyWales Před 8 lety

      Jeffrey E That's a good, well thought out answer. Thank you.

    • @jeffe6338
      @jeffe6338 Před 8 lety

      +OriginalJoseyWales ......your more than welcome.

    • @OriginalJoseyWales
      @OriginalJoseyWales Před 8 lety

      Jeffrey E you're :)

    • @jeffe6338
      @jeffe6338 Před 8 lety

      +OriginalJoseyWales ....thanks lol

  • @user-uq1ex1cg3y
    @user-uq1ex1cg3y Před 6 lety

    I looked it up a couple of days ago. Right now there are 53 people alive on the earth who were alive in 1914. That's assuming that none of them died since I looked it up.

  • @jobeach9082
    @jobeach9082 Před 2 lety

    There is people still alive that was born before 1914 and still remember it

  • @ritamcdonald3013
    @ritamcdonald3013 Před 4 lety

    The first chapter of Mathew has generations that were born and sued with a total of these men mentioned, nothing overlapping there

  • @aphiwemagaya3279
    @aphiwemagaya3279 Před 4 lety +1

    Watchtower is just hell,you won't get what you want either than them forcing you with what they want you to believe

  • @tito9694
    @tito9694 Před 5 lety +1

    Why aren't u active anymore? Ur channel is cool

  • @observerlink4124
    @observerlink4124 Před 8 lety +6

    Hmmm, could it be that they just sat on your letter and then dispensed a 'boiler-plate' reply letter? Now, they wouldn't do that, would they?

  • @gaetanodetorrice5555
    @gaetanodetorrice5555 Před 5 měsíci

    It took them a generation to get a response from your letter😂😂😂.

  • @brooklynspeaks5716
    @brooklynspeaks5716 Před 7 lety

    What's the problem? I understood the answer; we have to wait on Jehovah and that' the point. Thank Jehovah the end is near.

    • @doubledaggy
      @doubledaggy Před 7 lety

      BrooklynSpeaks if we really just have to wait why put timescales in the forms of overlapping generations? Why try and put a time frame on it if a time frame is actually irrelevant? So many times previously they have done this and it has not come to pass.

  • @timothywhite9591
    @timothywhite9591 Před 8 lety

    DORO! Death or Obedience! ... I believe he's Scottish. :)
    Interesting letter reply. Thanks for sharing sis.

  • @paultrue4408
    @paultrue4408 Před 9 lety

    Can anyone please tell me if Jesus Christ is a true God or a false god ?

  • @ellielarkin1
    @ellielarkin1 Před 4 lety

    Very good. Explain the overlapping generation using Just the bible. Can't be done

  • @darlenesmith1432
    @darlenesmith1432 Před 9 lety +4

    Great video! glad you guys are out of the cult! BLESSINGS

  • @MoreWaveLessParticle
    @MoreWaveLessParticle Před 7 lety +4

    Always so happy to hear when someone leaves that controlling and untruthful organization. 🙂

  • @originalsue8323
    @originalsue8323 Před 5 lety

    I am a born-again evangelist and i was talking to God "please show me 2 lost people that i can invite to church, next day, i encounter 2 jw and invite them to my church. The look they had in their faces said " how dare you" and they were asking if my church beleive in the trinity in oder to make fun of me,i said yes 1rst jhn 6,54, and some other place in Math ,baptized them in the name of the father,the son,and the Holy spirit,they were mad and pass me their bibles to show where those verses are,i told them their bibles has been altered,they said that i am liying, i said,i challenge them to go make comparisons with the 300years old king James version and they will see,they walk away real angry,.I earled at them,jhn 3,16,GOD so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever believe in him shouldn't perish but have everlasting life, not jw only,it's whosoever whosoever. God has a sense of humor,i thought that God was going to give me 2 different LOST SOULS.

  • @laurentpoex
    @laurentpoex Před 5 lety

    Merci pour ce partage. Sans chercher à polémiquer, il est toujours intéressant d'écrire et de prendre connaissance des informations renvoyées par le Bethel. Je retiens l'élément principal : si l'on utilise SEULEMENT une bible (comme les témoins de Jéhovah le proposent au début du porte à porte), leurs théories s'effondrent ! Ils n'arrivent à justifier leur idées qu'à travers leur propres publications. Ce qui n'est pas recevable.

  • @anneroberts6287
    @anneroberts6287 Před 4 lety +1

    I just happened upon your posting. If you would like to know where WT got this gobbledegook, see ExJW Smurf Girl's analysis of a few weeks ago.

  • @sallypeterson3171
    @sallypeterson3171 Před 9 lety +4

    Great video! Good job! Keep up the good work! We all need to expose the lies of the Watchtower, so the slaves can be set free! Glad you are out sweetie! May the Lord bless you and be with you.

    • @buddy9220
      @buddy9220 Před 8 lety +2

      +Sally Peterson "
      AGREE"

  • @johnnylavery5512
    @johnnylavery5512 Před 5 lety

    Where's the scriptural backing for this "new light?"

  • @juan58102
    @juan58102 Před 8 lety

    I will make the research by myself....

  • @adamheckathorn5319
    @adamheckathorn5319 Před 8 lety +1

    Wow I really expected they would do a little better than that. Thanks for sharing!

  • @vera747
    @vera747 Před 6 lety +1

    Babbling brooks I call them.

  • @ritamcdonald3013
    @ritamcdonald3013 Před 4 lety

    Many things caused this for me, so many but the overlapping one had me laughing, I thought it was a joke and how dare the g b say we should trust them as we do God and Jesus, I will follow Jesus only for he died for us and he is the truth the way and the life not those money hungry lying g b men that keep trying to put Jesus down and elevate themselves I’ve read the bi me missi g a few books, but I know Jesus told us warned us about these types , stay with Jesus ..see you in paradise

  • @bobbypaluga4346
    @bobbypaluga4346 Před 8 lety

    How can anyone take the dozen or so verses out of the New Testament that foretold the return of Jesus and miss the point that Jesus is speaking of those he was speaking to? He chastises them, he exhorts them to pray, not be found in a state of drunkenness etc making it crystal clear his words were directed to the generation standing in front of him. “So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
    ‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:31-32, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Yes, I understand the implications of Christ telling these specific people that he would return, but he did not. Regardless of being unfulfilled that is the correct understanding. "Overlapping Generations" that's crazy talk.

  • @tonygraves7367
    @tonygraves7367 Před 7 lety +5

    I feel like screaming!!! Such nonsense from the GB. I was a witness for nearly 30 years age 10-40 and I feel cheated.

    • @BiteYerBumHard
      @BiteYerBumHard Před 6 lety

      31 years here until I was disfellowshipped and joined the dark side.

    • @cruzdeleon1888
      @cruzdeleon1888 Před 5 lety +1

      Tony Graves but think about it you are better off. I mean who are these people and I do mean it in every sense POPLE to have this Pope-like status of controlling Every aspect of our god given free will and worse change and manipulate the bible to their selfish interests so to keep Blind followers

    • @nicosyiallouris1103
      @nicosyiallouris1103 Před 3 lety +1

      Me too we been Con!!!!

  • @itsjustme6315
    @itsjustme6315 Před 2 lety

    There's absolutely no explaining that rubush! ! Thanks for this video, I remembered very clearly thinking, are they seriously sticking with that explanation!!??!! As usual, they can not make it make sense! Not to critical thinking people anyway!

  • @suzannep
    @suzannep Před rokem

    Hmm, "scripture references please" -sends references to watchtower articles- OHHH now I get it, the Bible has been replaced with the Watchtower now, that makes sense since obeying Jehovah or God has been replaced with "obey the governing body". The new light is obey watchtower as the word of god and the governing body as god.

  • @55Herbie1
    @55Herbie1 Před 9 lety +3

    It's very sad and disturbing that for well over a century they have put such emphasis on dates.
    However, what could make the situation even worst is if the great tribulation should unfold in ways completely unexpected for JW's. At that time one can't help but wonder: will they continue to stay loyal to an organization or will they stay loyal to God and his son? That may well be a test that many will have to face. One can only hope that their love for God will survive whatever downfall the Watchtower may experience in the future.

  • @SuperJbarrera
    @SuperJbarrera Před 5 lety

    That’s why they don’t celebrate birthdays because of the wishes too

  • @robmullin1128
    @robmullin1128 Před 9 lety +5

    MUHAAAAAAAA LOVED THIS!!!!

  • @ronniegrady4626
    @ronniegrady4626 Před 8 lety +4

    If the Watchtower is GOD's organization, How do you prove that. ?????

  • @rpbandz3533
    @rpbandz3533 Před 8 lety +2

    Great video lady!! Very uplifting... you did your research and it paid off lol you made them look silly

  • @michaelashworth4391
    @michaelashworth4391 Před 9 lety +3

    So! The Sense it Makes is Indeed the Sense it Makes!
    I Guess we're All Waiting on Jehovah Now? Ex-Witnesses and the Other 20 Million or so that Attend the Memorial, Year On Year, Although only Around 8 Million of them feel the need to turn in Monthly Field-Service Reports to the Watchtower Service Dept.
    Presumably the Other 12 Million or So Are Happy to Serve their God Knowing That their Service is Freely Given Hoping that their Reward might well be of Greater Value.

    • @vitor1678
      @vitor1678 Před 7 lety

      Michael Ashworth Explain you comment, please. What is the freely given service?

  • @fredonions2523
    @fredonions2523 Před 8 lety +2

    What are the names of all those at the top of the leadership of this cult, and what is it's command/ leadership structure, ty. Is there anyone secretly in control above these men? I believe there very well could be.

  • @MG007.
    @MG007. Před 2 lety +2

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    " His Presence"
    Not
    "His Coming"
    So according to The Watchtower, The Kingdom is fully established and the Christ returned invisibly, yet the entire world is still a hot mess.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @ogama843
    @ogama843 Před 9 lety

    Awesome! Wish you had a better microphone for audio. Get one! Because I look forward to more of your videos!

  • @janedope2303
    @janedope2303 Před 6 lety

    So they gave ZERO scripture???

  • @ewankerr3011
    @ewankerr3011 Před 5 lety

    For over 1900 years, Christians have been trying to work this out. Many of the most famous names in the history of Christianity had a go and got it wrong. Perhaps that shows Christianity is wrong. But what about the other main teachings of the Jehovahs?They say God is unitarain , not trinitarian. They say that the soul is just the living, breathing person and not immortal; they say that hell is not a place of eternal punishment , but just the Grave. Have you abandoned all of these heresies too ?

  • @doubledaggy
    @doubledaggy Před 4 lety

    OK so last night I wrote a fairly lengthy reply to a JW (Daro Weilburg, check out his ramblings on his CZcams channel) who commented on this video a few months ago saying basically we were liars and apostate and to go to his channel (comments disabled BTW) to find out the truth about the generation meaning. His video response was basically saying anyone who leaves are and I quote "morons" and then he encourages all the morons to come back to the organisation. Unsurprisingly he deleted his comment and thus my comment as well. These ultra holy witnesses who respond to videos they are told by watchtower not to view are as fake and hypocritical as the ones they "warn" about. I'm fairly certain that if the GB saw his videos they wouldn't approve of the tactics and language he is using to try and encourage those who have left to rejoin the organisation. It's "brothers" like him who give the organisation a bad name, amongst the miriad of other things they do.

  • @jonathanhankins8356
    @jonathanhankins8356 Před 8 lety +2

    "We understand" "he evidently meant" (random belief meant to sow false hope and generate donations) The organization has done this soooooooo many times. I started to be suspicious back when I was in my early teens, and asked my dad (an elder) why our kingdom hall didn't have a full library of watchtower volumes? My uncle was the congregation PO, and I felt sure that we needed to place an order with the society to fix our shortage...... of course they told me that we no longer use watchtowers from before the mid '60's because of all the "new light".
    Also, for anyone that cares, the reasoning book still states the old generation doctrine in plain English on page 200. I wonder if they will phase out the book?

  • @bopzippity830
    @bopzippity830 Před 9 lety +4

    My face through this whole reply letter reading was this 😐...
    That's such a bullcrap answer. Love how they are so vague....

  • @gordankosak3672
    @gordankosak3672 Před 5 lety

    . . .i kaj si stim dokazala . . .

  • @christiansparlock-freedom2660

    Great vid. Thank you for personally exposing the CRAZY cult beliefs of the JWs.