It is not needed to hear the judge. The trial is to provide evidence to the Jury. The Jury needs to hear the witnesses at all times, they only need to hear the judge when she gives jury instructions.
And the Prosecutor starts off too quiet, too. What's wrong with these folks? SPEAK UP. It's not JUST for the jury's sake, but also the defendant's hearing-loss - HE has some rights.
The Judge doesn't care if you can hear her or not. All that matters is that the people in the courtroom can. If you can't hear her, turn your hearing aid up.
Its for the stenographer. Courts have to keep an actual log of every word uttered in a court session. Someone is typing out every spoken word and if they cant hear it really messes things up
So it would be acceptable if she were older? Many have lost limbs at very young ages due to many reasons. Sadly her nephew killed and hurt many. Her lost limb is the least . those that no longer have their family members would not care if a leg was missing. They would be happy they were alive
@@hellokittyx0xoI’m so sorry for what your mom has gone through, I’m sorry she had to testify. She seems like such a strong woman. I’m glad you live far away from these people-I hope your mom knows that she is not to blame. 🤍
The walls of the courtroom are like paper. During Jennifer's trial, we could hear voices through the walls. The judge is speaking low into the microphone. The witness is pulling back and not projecting her voice to the mic.
There was a comment about “She’s still not married, I wonder why…” or something like that. Before commenting on her weight, it’s best to listen to the fact she lost a leg in a car accident. That is also why she had trouble getting up to the stand. The comment is gone now, so hopefully they deleted it once they heard that.
Thank for saying something, I'm not sure what is going on in our world but ppl seem to be getting meaner , evil , vial they have zero compassion or sympathy!!
@@GC2024_may I please tell you why ppl are being unkind etc today… these are the end times Jesus spoke about how ppl would behave. Expect it to get way worse before He returns
actually I found her .answers to be better for the Prosecution . AND where did they sleep in that house ? Nephew had t three bedrooms and she states everything was fine , Hate to say it but THAT is .as near to perjury as one could get ........,
They never asked her what her relationship was like with her nephew !? Was he happy,sad, indifferent? Did he engage in conversation?? How was her relationship with the Mom?? Did they hang out? Did her brother seem happy? Was Eathen happy,glad to see the family or did he stay to himself They stayed with them in their house for about a week! After a week with my brother, I'd know if something was up!! One night and I'd know,bet!
She statement live between Florida and northeast and shes only oldest siblings in James side....also her childern are over 18 yrs old so seem not help in this case more likely distance others
@@j.y.3604I think you are vastly overestimating him. The reality is his parents were selfish drunks pursuing their own interests and affairs. They'd been leaving him home alone to bar hop since he was 6 years old. They showed up for the parent teacher meetings and took family vacations for appearances, but dragged him into their fights and left drugs and alcohol out in their messy house. He had little to no supervision so he didn't have to hide anything. His fantasies were written out in a notebook he just left in his backpack and his texts and animal torture videos were right on his phone because he knew his parents weren't paying attention. It's not hard to not be a homicidal manaic for a week. They were together for a funeral so any odd behavior would have likely been shrugged off and attributed to grief. I highly doubt his aunt who claimed she and his dad were close and talked every month but actually only spoke a handful of times would offer up any of the things that she may have noticed and she knows were really red flags. I don't think anyone was paying close attention to him, especially if they have a large family. His aunt absolutely knew he had a miserable home life though. Notice how she said if she had noticed something wrong she would have taken him away? Not told his parents, not make sure he got help, but take him away.
ethan was 15 and knew right from wrong. he was hurting but decided to hurt everyone expect himself, not even his so called bad parents? ethan was given the chance to stop shooting once that assistant principal approached him yet he continued. he’s evil
Just using a family member who didn't notice shooter was disturbed to back up their defense that father didn't know. Not uncommon. But not very helpful since she didn't see him much.
Karen Crumbley has a beautiful smile. She has nothing to do with the case, she lives in another state, but she’s the only witness the defense called. I wish her many blessings. 🙏🌷😊
The court has set up a Go Fund Me so that it can buy two microphones, one for the witness stand to another for the judge. So far, they’ve raised $22.43, but they’ll need three times that before the sale at Best Buy ends. 😂
Thanks. I needed to read your comment. i'm having a very difficult time with this trial, but I'm forcing myself to watch parts...(brings on prayer time for victims families...🛐🙏🙏🙏🙏). As a single mother who raised a beautiful son with many challenges growing up, school etc, (he's 31 now🙏) i was blessed with a good job (25 yrs FIG) w/ excellent benefits including CIGNA which my baby had once I knew, (my body PG) and Cigna it was. My heart hurts with a different type of pain for the (all) parents of this type of crime. God forgive me but I'm of the mindset the kid went after the wrong (ALL INNOCENT) people (kids). I'm zero college educated butt thanks to God my boy (or me) have never been into guns & had my boy at any age, or at 15, shown any interest in guns then i would've realized he was out of his f____&g mind. Love your kids people. Teach them about treating all others, each other with 'fairness across the board'. Lady Justice will prevail. 💔💔💔💔💜💜💜💜🙏🙏🙏🙏....🧑🦳
Of course he didn’t tell her of anything disturbing happening with EC, he didn’t care about what his kid was going thru so why would he think anyone else would? 🙄
I think the defence is trying to make the point that there were no red flags concerning Ethan within his family, so his parents couldn't have known what he was going to do.
The defense is trying to humanize James by associating him with his sweet, soft-spoken sister. It’s a lame attempt, but the defense was in a difficult position to try to humanize their extremely difficult and unlikeable client.
The last question she answered from the prosecutors about “when James went and got the gun out and put it back was the whole family there” and she answered “yes”. That’s letting everyone know that Ethan might of known where the gun was stored. Because he was there when his father pulled it out of his bedroom.
James told the police that his son didn't know where he kept the gun. Plus the bullets was in a different hiding spot but the sister just told that everyone was in the bedroom when he showed her the 22 caliber.
I would not expect an aunt who lives far away to know their nephew very well, or to be his confidante about personal emotional problems. Why would she know anything? It's the parents who SHOULD know, and who DID know Ethan was seriously troubled. The sister doesn't see any problem with kids using guns under adult supervision. That is, of course, assuming the adults are RESPONSIBLE gun owners who keep their ow guns and ammunition locked so that kids don't have access to the weapons. That did not happen in this case.
The evidence presented at the trial actually showed that he was a normal kid, as far as anyone knew. He had no disciplinary issues at school. Nobody at school had serious concerns or recommended mental health treatment prior to that day. Nobody read the kid's journal. The kid told his friend he spoke to his parents about wanting help BUT he never testified to that under oath - whereas his mother testified under oath that it never happened and he never mentioned it. He appeared like an average teenager at home. All teens are moody, or depressed after their dog dies and their best friend moves away. All the kids there like going hunting and shooting - the school has late start Wednesdays for that reason. Sounds like the evidence proves the parents could have reasonably been unaware of his struggles or plans prior to that day. Once they were asked to enroll him in therapy within 48 hours, they immediately agreed to do so.
@ThatRedhed Wow !!! And this is cool- we saw something totally different!!! This family is disjointed, and delusional! She was a pointless witness that barely talks to her brother and would have no clue about her nephew the shooter . For me her testimony was damaging-the family is not close her words are close to lies
@@ThatRedhed Sorry, no normal kids I know torture animals, nor do they keep bird heads in a jar. I also don't know any boys who demanded a gun for himself. Seems too preoccupied with guns.
We have a serious problem in this country. We have the gun manufacturers, the NRA, the gun lobbies, maga republicans, and just the weird people who seem to be motivated exclusively through this Americana gun bs. It really made me concerned for the mother's trial as if you replace the gun in this case with alcohol, everyone would agree the parents were culpable if their child killed 4 in a DUI if they gave him alcohol, bought it for him with his own money because he was not legally allowed to yet, ignored his mental health issues, and allowed easy access to a vehicle. But with it being gun related, so many were making comments about how the parents were "innocent". It's a relief she was found guilty, but it shouldn't have been. It's the bare minimum. Those kids will never come back and their friends and families will never be the same. All because of how this country has been indoctrinated into gun culture and how we ignore every possible mental health red flag until it's too late. Then it's obligatory "thoughts and prayers" platitudes and nothing changes.
Well the OWNER of a gun has the responsibility of it and the accessibility of it to people, not the government. Owners shoule be held liable. Why blame government laws instead of common sense by the owner??? Time to be intelligent responsible people if you want to own a gun, it's on you. @nonfungiblemushroom
@@nonfungiblemushroomwhat redneck looks at Wayne La Pierre and thinks “stud, I’m going to listen to him about guns!” And every time there was a shooting ole Wayne ran away to a bunker to hide from more gun violence. That was the NRA’s hero, leader, and spokesman. A man without a single hair out of place he is polished so well wearing exclusive clothing perfectly tailored. All the while we are dying. Four kids this time. Guns. Guns are the problem and ignorant people who follow without thinking.
She clearly has never been there for her bro or her nephew I mean they barely talked! I think she damaged his defense- it shows how disjointed the family is
I “think” she was trying to lay down a precedent that she was upset at the time and that might affect her memory or perception of things *edit for spelling
_Why Dont They Use The Shooter's Name:_ It's because shooters envy and seek the notoriety and fame previous shooters got. Now, we don't say their names because that prevents their name from being as widely known and takes away from them "getting credit for" their efforts.
@@audreyrayne5764 there are obligations in life you do for your family-even under the worst circumstances-with or* without a subpoena, that’s what I’m referring to……
The evidence presented at the trial actually showed that he was a normal kid, as far as anyone knew. He had no disciplinary issues at school. Nobody at school had serious concerns or recommended mental health treatment prior to that day. Nobody read the kid's journal. The kid told his friend he spoke to his parents about wanting help BUT he never testified to that under oath - whereas his mother testified under oath that it never happened and he never mentioned it. He appeared like an average teenager at home. All teens are moody, or depressed after their dog dies and their best friend moves away. All the kids there like going hunting and shooting - the school has late start Wednesdays for that reason. Sounds like the evidence proves the parents could have reasonably been unaware of his struggles or plans prior to that day. Once they were asked to enroll him in therapy within 48 hours, they immediately agreed to do so.
@@ThatRedhed They knew he had problems and once they heard about the school shooting they immediately thought it was their son. The dad even went home to look for the gun. Most parents would be concerned about their child safety not worried that their child is the killer.
What trial were you watching ! I’m not gonna say “I am a teacher and so I know ..” all I’m sayin is that when I was a teenager I never wanted to kill anyone !!! Normal ??? Not at all!!!!! The parents bred his abnormalities by ignoring his cries for help! Justice for the actual normal kids that were murdered ! Lock him up!
@@elizabethantoine9652 absolutely zero parents on earth believe their kid would shoot a place up lmao. Show me a parent who believes that. The dad is an idiot for not securing the gun, but if you're looking for someone to truly hold accountable, why not Ethan crumbley himself? He knew exactly what he was doing
James Crumbley is a monster his sister did nothing wrong and she's certainly not the one on trial and was called to testify. She is a victim too in this horrible situation.
There is a lot of emotional comraderie at a family gathering as a result of a death. Not a place where Ethan would have wanted to steal the show by expressing his own difficulties. Not a conclusive area of examination by defense. How about did you ever take your nephew aside and ask him if he was Ok?
Mostly likely by this point in his life, he realized his parents weren't gonna give a flip anyway so why bother bringing up the voices again. Learned helplessness.
r9171 it's at least confirmed he asked his parents for help, and even stated he heard voices and saw demons. His mother laughed at him. His dad "game him some pills and told him to man up."
@hellokittyx0xo I don't see anyone trying to be smart about your mom. Just making observations and assuming. No one is trying to be hurtful here, at least...
If she knew Ethan had mental problems and they were not being addressed she definitely would have got him and got him the help he needed and begged for.So don't say she wouldn't have wanted him around her kids
@@ThatRedhed Stop saying he is normal. Do you have kids like him? What kind of people think no one should ever be held responsible when there is loss of life? 🤨
@@whatdidyousay2162This is my mother, we have been getting hate for no reason since this happened. We don’t even live near them and we are also distuant that all this happened. We have gotten many death threats because of all this
I will bet that Ethans parents would not have done anything to help their son even if she had pointed out issues. They were too self involved to see or care about his issues
Well when you get called to school are informed of concerns and only give 12 min of your time then leave the kid there .. Agreed you don't care. You don't want to deal with it.
There's no evidence they didn't love their child, and everyone knows this trial isn't giving a complete picture of their relationship with their son. The evidence presented at the trial actually showed that he was a normal kid, as far as anyone knew. He had no disciplinary issues at school. Nobody at school had serious concerns or recommended mental health treatment prior to that day. Nobody read the kid's journal. The kid told his friend he spoke to his parents about wanting help BUT he never testified to that under oath - whereas his mother testified under oath that it never happened and he never mentioned it. He appeared like an average teenager at home. All teens are moody, or depressed after their dog dies and their best friend moves away. All the kids there like going hunting and shooting - the school has late start Wednesdays for that reason. Sounds like the evidence proves the parents could have reasonably been unaware of his struggles or plans prior to that day. Once they were asked to enroll him in therapy within 48 hours, they immediately agreed to do so.
@@eileenmcdonald1599Wow! If the meeting took 15 minutes to discuss the issue at hand, parents aren't at fault for not staying longer. Parents were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours and what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!" They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him from the school that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child is fine remaining at school & that he needs to begin therapy within 48 hours, and parents concur, which part were they in the wrong for? When school staff who spend 8 hours with the child daily have no difficulties with the child and have observed zero mental health issues, but feel he is suffering from typical Depression as many teens do when their best friend moves away, the parents also have no reason to have safety concerns.
All the perfect parents come out to criticize the Crumblys that relied on the trained experts to tell them if this is just growing pains or something more serious.
They work in a school, how many hours do you think they spent with him? They also rely on the parents to be resourceful and give them insight of what is going on in their home. How can they do their job in 45 minutes, with no knowledge. Don't you think the parents should of told them about his Christmas present, maybe tell them how he likes to kills animals, birds, and keeps a birds head in a jar. Do you think you would of assumed all those things if you weren't told? The professionals can only go by what they know.
I love how she’s presenting. Not asking for any sympathy for herself. Very matter of fact about the trauma she’s been through. Grandkids! Wow. Amazingly young appearance. Brava.
I think that is a glaring misrepresentation of the millions of gun owners who take ownership extremely seriously. Let’s not make assumptions about all gun owners based on one family.
I agree at this point after Mrs Crumbley being found guilty they have to throw all of the “Hail Marys” they can. I have to say his lawyer is a heck of a lot better than her attorney.
She may not of seen or heard anything concerning because she has been normalized with her Brothers behavior so guns sitting out or the apathy with their child they had may not be apparent of awareness for her. Some have grown up thinking loaded guns on a counter or easily accessible is completely normal as they have seen it everyday growing up. There in no doubt The parents armed their kid, were indifferent too his mental state and problems and then dissolved their important roles of being Responsible Parents. Responsible is the Key word here. Responsibly is solely on the parents when you arm a child so yes even though Mr Crumbly didnt pull the trigger he is responsible for the actions that allowed his son access too his weaponry. Parents of kids under 17 who they are raising are legally responsible for the actions of their children. We were always taught this. But in this case these parents want a free pass because they feel by their standards which were minimal that the gun crime their son committed isnt their responsibility. They compiled their Lack of Responsibility by hiding out and dodging from Police rather than helping. Sadly this kid had no real and caring help at home other wise they would had spent the money on mental care rather than arming him. In the end the parents bought the weapons and the parents set the whole chain of events in motion. They didnt pull the trigger but their lack of quality parenting did buy the weapon,the ammunition and allowed easy access too the Deadly weapon. There actions and in actions set this whole chain in motion. Responsibility!
When school staff who spend 8 hours with the child daily have no difficulties with the child and have observed zero mental health issues, but feel he is suffering from typical Depression as many teens do when their best friend moves away, the parents also have no reason to have safety concerns.
It's because she was way more helpful to the prosecution's case, honestly. It will be interesting to see if after trial we ever find out who he was threatening so often on jail phone calls that he had his privileges suspended.
Oh and funny how there have been three other mass “shootin” lately but we either don’t hear about it or they aren’t going after the parents… hmm funny how that works.
Sending you love Karen. Im so sorry you and your family are going through this. Ignore these losers on here. They seem to forget that James is your brother and you were there to be supportive. Its dehumanizing to call Ethan "nephew" Hes a human being and his name is Ethan and his life matters too. Take care of yourself ❤
Asking his sister if SHE saw anything concerning is useless…. Both parents saw the drawings the boy drew the morning of the shooting, and for them to just go home and ignore it, knowing they had just purchased him a handgun proves their guilt in these murders. Why they wouldnt immediately pull their son from school to get him help, is beyond what any reasonable parent would do. Why they wouldnt search his book bag, locker and gym bag is being derilect knowing they had just purchased him a weapon. Both parents are fully responsible for these shootings.
I just think the whole thing is heartbreaking. I cannot judge the parents from my sitting room watching utube. Compassion for everyone in this harrowing case.
Her facial expression changed when they went over how often she talked to her brother. She didn’t have a relationship with her brother or nephew. Maybe in hindsight she should have had a relationship with them. Maybe her nephew could have gone to her for help…
What is the point of this witness? Just because she is related means nothing. She did not reside in the house with her brother, nor was she around for the shooting. Wow! The ignorance of the defense team is astounding.
Well that sums p the problem. Just because she didn’t see it or notice it doesn’t mean there wasn’t anything to notice. Her mom just died. Not a lot of extra bandwidth at those times
The sister seems like a nice person I feel bad for her that she lost a leg! terrible! I hope James was always a good brother to her! But he really lacks in good parenting skills and making good decisions for his child! makes you wonder what type of upbringing James had!
obviously because they’re not going to glaringly glorify those who commit shootings and they’re not going to allow or make them notoriously known…that’s a concept broadly utilized now a days. The perpetrators want to be known and go down in history as the worst this or that and the courts, news, and ppl in general are just not going to give these criminals that gratification!!!!
The irony of the judge asking the witness to speak up when most of the time you can barely hear the judge
Judge Mumbledorf
It is not needed to hear the judge. The trial is to provide evidence to the Jury. The Jury needs to hear the witnesses at all times, they only need to hear the judge when she gives jury instructions.
And the Prosecutor starts off too quiet, too. What's wrong with these folks? SPEAK UP. It's not JUST for the jury's sake, but also the defendant's hearing-loss - HE has some rights.
The Judge doesn't care if you can hear her or not. All that matters is that the people in the courtroom can. If you can't hear her, turn your hearing aid up.
Its for the stenographer. Courts have to keep an actual log of every word uttered in a court session. Someone is typing out every spoken word and if they cant hear it really messes things up
She looks so young.
How tragic she lost her leg.
Great smile.
My mom has been through a lot
So it would be acceptable if she were older? Many have lost limbs at very young ages due to many reasons. Sadly her nephew killed and hurt many. Her lost limb is the least . those that no longer have their family members would not care if a leg was missing. They would be happy they were alive
Yes. I'm older and if you are too then you really should know better. You want to demonise her for anothers actions? Behave yourself!
@@hellokittyx0xoI’m so sorry for what your mom has gone through, I’m sorry she had to testify. She seems like such a strong woman. I’m glad you live far away from these people-I hope your mom knows that she is not to blame. 🤍
She seems to have a very pleasant personality and a great attitude. I agree, nice smile as well.
Why doesn't someone tell the judge to speak up
She doesn’t need to speak up
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Only you want to hear. That's not important
Judge says keep your voice up and proceeds to whisper 😂
Judge Mumbledorf
Judge is horrible
The walls of the courtroom are like paper. During Jennifer's trial, we could hear voices through the walls. The judge is speaking low into the microphone. The witness is pulling back and not projecting her voice to the mic.
So annoying
Exactly,smh
Don’t mistreat her, she did nothing except be born in the wrong family.
She also had nothing useful to say.
@@lr8607that’s not her fault, she didn’t have a choice on testifying
What evidence do you have that she did not have a choice?@@heathercschafer
@@lr8607Really dude? Smh
I'm not a dude.
Really.@@Ktown413
Worst defense team ever. The first line begins with uncomfortable cringe.
I think Jennifer's lawyer was much worse
@@Momof10DB😮we 😮 7:49 years years years ago😢
the worst ever??? did you forget about the lawyer for mom Jennifer
upward battle since the mom was already convicted
@@Momof10DB”Bandaids don’t fix bullet holes.”
Says a lot that he had no one to take the stand but a sister who apparently has no real relationship with him.
Poor Lady. She should have never been brought into it.
There was a comment about “She’s still not married, I wonder why…” or something like that. Before commenting on her weight, it’s best to listen to the fact she lost a leg in a car accident. That is also why she had trouble getting up to the stand. The comment is gone now, so hopefully they deleted it once they heard that.
Agree, kindness is rare in our world today
Thank for saying something, I'm not sure what is going on in our world but ppl seem to be getting meaner , evil , vial they have zero compassion or sympathy!!
This is my mother. We have done nothing to get this hate, we literally live across the country from them.
@@GC2024_may I please tell you why ppl are being unkind etc today… these are the end times Jesus spoke about how ppl would behave. Expect it to get way worse before He returns
Also if this was my family issue to deal with, I’d be so stressed that I’m SURE I’d gain weight. Yeah thanks for taking up for her. That’s crazy.
She should not have been called as a witness, she’s an innocent lady that offers nothing for either side, I felt bad for her.
This was an absolutely pointless witness.
Just your opinion. Others of more importance feel differently
actually I found her .answers to be better for the Prosecution . AND where did they sleep in that house ? Nephew had t three bedrooms and she states everything was fine , Hate to say it but THAT is .as near to perjury as one could get ........,
@@a-jheney102 I thought he had two bedrooms?
@explosivedump...I completely agree.
@@eileenmcdonald1599nah she did nothing to help her brother and actually made it worse
They never asked her what her relationship was like with her nephew !? Was he happy,sad, indifferent? Did he engage in conversation?? How was her relationship with the Mom?? Did they hang out? Did her brother seem happy? Was Eathen happy,glad to see the family or did he stay to himself They stayed with them in their house for about a week! After a week with my brother, I'd know if something was up!! One night and I'd know,bet!
Didn't listen did you
She statement live between Florida and northeast and shes only oldest siblings in James side....also her childern are over 18 yrs old so seem not help in this case more likely distance others
@@j.y.3604I think you are vastly overestimating him. The reality is his parents were selfish drunks pursuing their own interests and affairs. They'd been leaving him home alone to bar hop since he was 6 years old. They showed up for the parent teacher meetings and took family vacations for appearances, but dragged him into their fights and left drugs and alcohol out in their messy house. He had little to no supervision so he didn't have to hide anything. His fantasies were written out in a notebook he just left in his backpack and his texts and animal torture videos were right on his phone because he knew his parents weren't paying attention.
It's not hard to not be a homicidal manaic for a week. They were together for a funeral so any odd behavior would have likely been shrugged off and attributed to grief. I highly doubt his aunt who claimed she and his dad were close and talked every month but actually only spoke a handful of times would offer up any of the things that she may have noticed and she knows were really red flags. I don't think anyone was paying close attention to him, especially if they have a large family. His aunt absolutely knew he had a miserable home life though. Notice how she said if she had noticed something wrong she would have taken him away? Not told his parents, not make sure he got help, but take him away.
Sad,but true, she didn't help the case
That would have been a question for Ethan's trial - this is his father's trial.
Blah Blah Blah. I know of four kids who will never get to go to another family cookout because of james crumbley and his inability to parent, Sad
Amen sister.
ethan was 15 and knew right from wrong. he was hurting but decided to hurt everyone expect himself, not even his so called bad parents? ethan was given the chance to stop shooting once that assistant principal approached him yet he continued. he’s evil
Have you ever tried to report a mental family member?
I can tell you NOONE listens!
Excellent summary!
@@7thswansong152 so you buy a gun instead?
I don’t understand the point of the sister’s testimony.
It’s called “grasping at straws” because this is the best the defense can do with the crappy case they were dealt.
Just using a family member who didn't notice shooter was disturbed to back up their defense that father didn't know. Not uncommon. But not very helpful since she didn't see him much.
Karen Crumbley has a beautiful smile. She has nothing to do with the case, she lives in another state, but she’s the only witness the defense called. I wish her many blessings. 🙏🌷😊
The court has set up a Go Fund Me so that it can buy two microphones, one for the witness stand to another for the judge. So far, they’ve raised $22.43, but they’ll need three times that before the sale at Best Buy ends. 😂
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Thanks. I needed to read your comment. i'm having a very difficult time with this trial, but I'm forcing myself to watch parts...(brings on prayer time for victims families...🛐🙏🙏🙏🙏).
As a single mother who raised a beautiful son with many challenges growing up, school etc, (he's 31 now🙏) i was blessed with a good job (25 yrs FIG) w/ excellent benefits including CIGNA which my baby had once I knew, (my body PG) and Cigna it was.
My heart hurts with a different type of pain for the (all) parents of this type of crime. God forgive me but I'm of the mindset the kid went after the wrong (ALL INNOCENT) people (kids). I'm zero college educated butt thanks to God my boy (or me) have never been into guns & had my boy at any age, or at 15, shown any interest in guns then i would've realized he was out of his f____&g mind.
Love your kids people. Teach them about treating all others, each other with 'fairness across the board'.
Lady Justice will prevail.
💔💔💔💔💜💜💜💜🙏🙏🙏🙏....🧑🦳
Sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher
Of course he didn’t tell her of anything disturbing happening with EC, he didn’t care about what his kid was going thru so why would he think anyone else would? 🙄
Only witness for defense. Really? Wisely, JC did not testify.
What is the point of her as a witness?
I think the defence is trying to make the point that there were no red flags concerning Ethan within his family, so his parents couldn't have known what he was going to do.
That she didn’t witness any behavioral problems exhibited by Ethan in 2021 that caused her concern. *basically, what abi said above. 😬
Not very bright are you
For me and I hope for the jury/ it just proves that the family lives in denial
The defense is trying to humanize James by associating him with his sweet, soft-spoken sister. It’s a lame attempt, but the defense was in a difficult position to try to humanize their extremely difficult and unlikeable client.
The last question she answered from the prosecutors about “when James went and got the gun out and put it back was the whole family there” and she answered “yes”. That’s letting everyone know that Ethan might of known where the gun was stored. Because he was there when his father pulled it out of his bedroom.
Ethan knew exactly where it was and knew the combination. If was even locked
This judge has been soft spoken throughout this entire hearing , I’m disappointed in this judge
James told the police that his son didn't know where he kept the gun. Plus the bullets was in a different hiding spot but the sister just told that everyone was in the bedroom when he showed her the 22 caliber.
I would not expect an aunt who lives far away to know their nephew very well, or to be his confidante about personal emotional problems. Why would she know anything? It's the parents who SHOULD know, and who DID know Ethan was seriously troubled. The sister doesn't see any problem with kids using guns under adult supervision. That is, of course, assuming the adults are RESPONSIBLE gun owners who keep their ow guns and ammunition locked so that kids don't have access to the weapons. That did not happen in this case.
Children should never have guns. Especially when parents lie on the paperwork to purchase.
The evidence presented at the trial actually showed that he was a normal kid, as far as anyone knew. He had no disciplinary issues at school. Nobody at school had serious concerns or recommended mental health treatment prior to that day. Nobody read the kid's journal. The kid told his friend he spoke to his parents about wanting help BUT he never testified to that under oath - whereas his mother testified under oath that it never happened and he never mentioned it. He appeared like an average teenager at home. All teens are moody, or depressed after their dog dies and their best friend moves away. All the kids there like going hunting and shooting - the school has late start Wednesdays for that reason.
Sounds like the evidence proves the parents could have reasonably been unaware of his struggles or plans prior to that day. Once they were asked to enroll him in therapy within 48 hours, they immediately agreed to do so.
@ThatRedhed
Wow !!! And this is cool- we saw something totally different!!! This family is disjointed, and delusional! She was a pointless witness that barely talks to her brother and would have no clue about her nephew the shooter . For me her testimony was damaging-the family is not close her words are close to lies
@@ThatRedhed
Sorry, no normal kids I know torture animals, nor do they keep bird heads in a jar.
I also don't know any boys who demanded a gun for himself. Seems too preoccupied with guns.
@@ThatRedhed
This is second time I've seen your comments and agree with your sense of impartiality
It is sleazy for counsel to lead the witness and then correct herself thereby giving the witness the answer she wants.
He must be sweating bullets at this point, look at all those water bottles he's drinkin!
What is it with Americans and guns. More than a dozen in that house just negligently arranged
We have a serious problem in this country. We have the gun manufacturers, the NRA, the gun lobbies, maga republicans, and just the weird people who seem to be motivated exclusively through this Americana gun bs. It really made me concerned for the mother's trial as if you replace the gun in this case with alcohol, everyone would agree the parents were culpable if their child killed 4 in a DUI if they gave him alcohol, bought it for him with his own money because he was not legally allowed to yet, ignored his mental health issues, and allowed easy access to a vehicle. But with it being gun related, so many were making comments about how the parents were "innocent". It's a relief she was found guilty, but it shouldn't have been. It's the bare minimum. Those kids will never come back and their friends and families will never be the same. All because of how this country has been indoctrinated into gun culture and how we ignore every possible mental health red flag until it's too late. Then it's obligatory "thoughts and prayers" platitudes and nothing changes.
Don’t you be wondering about what Americans are doing
Well the OWNER of a gun has the responsibility of it and the accessibility of it to people, not the government. Owners shoule be held liable. Why blame government laws instead of common sense by the owner??? Time to be intelligent responsible people if you want to own a gun, it's on you. @nonfungiblemushroom
@@nonfungiblemushroom Great points.
@@nonfungiblemushroomwhat redneck looks at Wayne La Pierre and thinks “stud, I’m going to listen to him about guns!” And every time there was a shooting ole Wayne ran away to a bunker to hide from more gun violence.
That was the NRA’s hero, leader, and spokesman. A man without a single hair out of place he is polished so well wearing exclusive clothing perfectly tailored.
All the while we are dying. Four kids this time. Guns. Guns are the problem and ignorant people who follow without thinking.
What was the point of that poor woman being there it wasn't like she had alot of contact with her brother
She clearly has never been there for her bro or her nephew I mean they barely talked! I think she damaged his defense- it shows how disjointed the family is
What the hell do those questions have to do with anything.
"Tell me about yourself"
"I guess your mom dying was disturbing to you".
I “think” she was trying to lay down a precedent that she was upset at the time and that might affect her memory or perception of things
*edit for spelling
precedent, not president @@ickess
@@IceSkater8491 yeah, I was using speech to text and that must be what Siri picked up. I have a bad habit of not proofreading.
they are establishing a baseline of credibility. very few people understand how court works.
Really rich for the judge to ask her to keep her voice up lol
Why would ask if a witness is nervous!???
Why not
@@eileenmcdonald1599 because it’s THEIR witness! Defense attorneys want her to HELP them 😂😂
Was it on Seinfeld episode that had the "low talker"? This judge has an indoor voice
She is definitely a low talker. And it resulted in Jerry having to wear the puffy shirt.😂
It was a close talker...
Close talker
_Why Dont They Use The Shooter's Name:_ It's because shooters envy and seek the notoriety and fame previous shooters got. Now, we don't say their names because that prevents their name from being as widely known and takes away from them "getting credit for" their efforts.
Good reply. And true. Thank you.
This poor girl. How horrible that her brother couldn’t bother parenting her nephew and then she’s called to testify on his behalf? 💔
She didn't have to testify. She wasn't subpoenaed by anyone to be there, it was voluntary for the defense.
@@audreyrayne5764 there are obligations in life you do for your family-even under the worst circumstances-with or* without a subpoena, that’s what I’m referring to……
The fact that James and his family is from Jacksonville, FL explains everything 😂
Florida Man. Woohoo
Why is James wearing an earpiece like he's a defendant at the Nuremberg trial?
Hearing loss?
He has bad hearing.
He has bad hearing, his sister has one leg
@@raggedyann4372 The sister part was very unnecessary. You mocking her now or what?
That lawyer voice is so. Shrill. Go through your brain !😮.
Go away
Geez I would change my last name by this point.
I hope they find him guilty of all charges the same way his wife was convicted of all charges.
The evidence presented at the trial actually showed that he was a normal kid, as far as anyone knew. He had no disciplinary issues at school. Nobody at school had serious concerns or recommended mental health treatment prior to that day. Nobody read the kid's journal. The kid told his friend he spoke to his parents about wanting help BUT he never testified to that under oath - whereas his mother testified under oath that it never happened and he never mentioned it. He appeared like an average teenager at home. All teens are moody, or depressed after their dog dies and their best friend moves away. All the kids there like going hunting and shooting - the school has late start Wednesdays for that reason.
Sounds like the evidence proves the parents could have reasonably been unaware of his struggles or plans prior to that day. Once they were asked to enroll him in therapy within 48 hours, they immediately agreed to do so.
Do you not think Ethan crumbley is responsible for the shooting? He was 15, and he knew right from wrong, and knew that what he was doing was illegal.
@@ThatRedhed They knew he had problems and once they heard about the school shooting they immediately thought it was their son. The dad even went home to look for the gun. Most parents would be concerned about their child safety not worried that their child is the killer.
What trial were you watching ! I’m not gonna say “I am a teacher and so I know ..” all I’m sayin is that when I was a teenager I never wanted to kill anyone !!! Normal ??? Not at all!!!!! The parents bred his abnormalities by ignoring his cries for help! Justice for the actual normal kids that were murdered ! Lock him up!
@@elizabethantoine9652 absolutely zero parents on earth believe their kid would shoot a place up lmao. Show me a parent who believes that. The dad is an idiot for not securing the gun, but if you're looking for someone to truly hold accountable, why not Ethan crumbley himself? He knew exactly what he was doing
James Crumbley is a monster his sister did nothing wrong and she's certainly not the one on trial and was called to testify. She is a victim too in this horrible situation.
Sister basically just said her Brother failed
Bingo
Another jury will just make an example out of this family. The school new more, but of course they have immunity.
Unfortunately the judge DOES NOT keep her voice audible ?
It’s SO annoying and unprofessional.
There is a lot of emotional comraderie at a family gathering as a result of a death. Not a place where Ethan would have wanted to steal the show by expressing his own difficulties. Not a conclusive area of examination by defense. How about did you ever take your nephew aside and ask him if he was Ok?
Mostly likely by this point in his life, he realized his parents weren't gonna give a flip anyway so why bother bringing up the voices again. Learned helplessness.
Did Ethan ever ask the family for help.
@kathleenarmour9171 if you consider his mom and dad family, then yes.
r9171 it's at least confirmed he asked his parents for help, and even stated he heard voices and saw demons. His mother laughed at him. His dad "game him some pills and told him to man up."
@@kathleenarmour9171Really late to the party.
Wow - she looks young for such older children.
She's from Jacksonville. Folks start young down there.
My mother is a great person, don’t be smart .
@@hellokittyx0xo your poor mom. Glad she has you for support. She’s honest and beautiful. So sorry for your family stress.
@hellokittyx0xo I don't see anyone trying to be smart about your mom. Just making observations and assuming. No one is trying to be hurtful here, at least...
I hope you guys are taking good care of MOM.
She looks good and has a lot of good years left.
She seems like such a sweet, lovely individual. What a tragedy for this to unfold in her family and have to carry that burden.
Guessing the aunt wouldn’t want Ethan around her kids anyways
Why? Everyone saw him as a normal kid.
Oh stop the aunt barely saw the kid and talked to her brother twice a year ! GTFOH
If she knew Ethan had mental problems and they were not being addressed she definitely would have got him and got him the help he needed and begged for.So don't say she wouldn't have wanted him around her kids
@@ThatRedhed
Stop saying he is normal.
Do you have kids like him?
What kind of people think no one should ever be held responsible when there is loss of life? 🤨
The most useless witness in history..wth!?! Even SS tried to present a defense.
I don’t think this helped him
That judges voice gives me the creeps. So whispering
Grow up
I feel bad for her
I feel bad for the victims of her nauseating family.
You can pick your friends, not your family..not her fault.
I wonder if she'll stop by and visit her delightful nephew in his new abode.@@whatdidyousay2162
@@whatdidyousay2162This is my mother, we have been getting hate for no reason since this happened. We don’t even live near them and we are also distuant that all this happened. We have gotten many death threats because of all this
She seems very kind
I will bet that Ethans parents would not have done anything to help their son even if she had pointed out issues. They were too self involved to see or care about his issues
Well when you get called to school are informed of concerns and only give 12 min of your time then leave the kid there .. Agreed you don't care. You don't want to deal with it.
There's no evidence they didn't love their child, and everyone knows this trial isn't giving a complete picture of their relationship with their son.
The evidence presented at the trial actually showed that he was a normal kid, as far as anyone knew. He had no disciplinary issues at school. Nobody at school had serious concerns or recommended mental health treatment prior to that day. Nobody read the kid's journal. The kid told his friend he spoke to his parents about wanting help BUT he never testified to that under oath - whereas his mother testified under oath that it never happened and he never mentioned it. He appeared like an average teenager at home. All teens are moody, or depressed after their dog dies and their best friend moves away. All the kids there like going hunting and shooting - the school has late start Wednesdays for that reason.
Sounds like the evidence proves the parents could have reasonably been unaware of his struggles or plans prior to that day. Once they were asked to enroll him in therapy within 48 hours, they immediately agreed to do so.
@@eileenmcdonald1599Wow! If the meeting took 15 minutes to discuss the issue at hand, parents aren't at fault for not staying longer.
Parents were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours and what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!" They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him from the school that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child is fine remaining at school & that he needs to begin therapy within 48 hours, and parents concur, which part were they in the wrong for?
When school staff who spend 8 hours with the child daily have no difficulties with the child and have observed zero mental health issues, but feel he is suffering from typical Depression as many teens do when their best friend moves away, the parents also have no reason to have safety concerns.
Her testimony is just a waste of time. What she says is not relevant to anything that is going on.
Glad they spent time confirming the fact that the son of one’s brother is a nephew.
Oh she lost a leg...2021 James mother passed away
James lawyer is so loud an it’s Annoying
Grow up
@@eileenmcdonald1599 your mom did what?
She knew nothing, they weren't close, she brought nothing for James
I feel bad for the sister. She evidently grew up in a family where talking maybe once a month is a "close relationship" with her brother.
All the perfect parents come out to criticize the Crumblys that relied on the trained experts to tell them if this is just growing pains or something more serious.
They work in a school, how many hours do you think they spent with him? They also rely on the parents to be resourceful and give them insight of what is going on in their home. How can they do their job in 45 minutes, with no knowledge. Don't you think the parents should of told them about his Christmas present, maybe tell them how he likes to kills animals, birds, and keeps a birds head in a jar. Do you think you would of assumed all those things if you weren't told? The professionals can only go by what they know.
I love how she’s presenting. Not asking for any sympathy for herself. Very matter of fact about the trauma she’s been through. Grandkids! Wow. Amazingly young appearance. Brava.
Do they often slow down the speed of the video? If I don't speed it up it's super slow.
Ridiculous defense sister didn’t live close to brother. How would she know anything about their family unless they shared information with her.
Wow Sister has 4 kids and is a gramma and she lost a leg!
And why is this wow? Many have children. Many have lost limbs and many are grandparents.
It is amazing to me that so many Americans look at guns like they are toys and should be handled by children. That mentality is frightening.
I am an American and this scares me too
I don't know. Anyone who thinks guns are toys OR that they should be handled by kids
@@birdiedog5these comments are filled with people talking about how it’s ’dumb’ to lock up guns at home in the event they need them. Dont be foolish.
I think that is a glaring misrepresentation of the millions of gun owners who take ownership extremely seriously. Let’s not make assumptions about all gun owners based on one family.
@@PilatesbyGina damn did the shoe fit? If that’s not you and you are a responsible gun owner, why are you so defensive?
Absolutely pointless.
Right! More damaging!!! Shows how the family barely know each other
I agree at this point after Mrs Crumbley being found guilty they have to throw all of the “Hail Marys” they can. I have to say his lawyer is a heck of a lot better than her attorney.
"Are you nervous?" seems like a weird first question to ask your own witness. Or really to ask at any point.
She may not of seen or heard anything concerning because she has been normalized with her Brothers behavior so guns sitting out or the apathy with their child they had may not be apparent of awareness for her. Some have grown up thinking loaded guns on a counter or easily accessible is completely normal as they have seen it everyday growing up. There in no doubt The parents armed their kid, were indifferent too his mental state and problems and then dissolved their important roles of being Responsible Parents. Responsible is the Key word here. Responsibly is solely on the parents when you arm a child so yes even though Mr Crumbly didnt pull the trigger he is responsible for the actions that allowed his son access too his weaponry. Parents of kids under 17 who they are raising are legally responsible for the actions of their children. We were always taught this. But in this case these parents want a free pass because they feel by their standards which were minimal that the gun crime their son committed isnt their responsibility. They compiled their Lack of Responsibility by hiding out and dodging from Police rather than helping. Sadly this kid had no real and caring help at home other wise they would had spent the money on mental care rather than arming him. In the end the parents bought the weapons and the parents set the whole chain of events in motion. They didnt pull the trigger but their lack of quality parenting did buy the weapon,the ammunition and allowed easy access too the Deadly weapon. There actions and in actions set this whole chain in motion. Responsibility!
When school staff who spend 8 hours with the child daily have no difficulties with the child and have observed zero mental health issues, but feel he is suffering from typical Depression as many teens do when their best friend moves away, the parents also have no reason to have safety concerns.
Weird how he just glares at his sister.
He is just weird period
It's because she was way more helpful to the prosecution's case, honestly. It will be interesting to see if after trial we ever find out who he was threatening so often on jail phone calls that he had his privileges suspended.
@7:53...Can someone tell me why the sister couldn't answer the question?
Denial and fantasyland, it must be great living in those both.
Lol... Bringing her to the stand was a horrible idea. She helped the prosecution's case more
Doesn’t sound like auntie had any time for her brother or her nephew. So why is she there?
Oh and funny how there have been three other mass “shootin” lately but we either don’t hear about it or they aren’t going after the parents… hmm funny how that works.
Who's on trial here, this isn't a social luncheon. This is a major trial. 😮
"Absolutely not" Means she lying .
Soooi true! Y’all sayin you did not notice anything “concerning “ proves the prosecutor’s case; you don’t pay attention!!!!
It's ironic having the Judge ask her to speak up.
Wow..what an incredible lady.
James intensity is concerning
Nope
Confirmation bias.
especially when they started talking about losing his phone privileges.
Sending you love Karen. Im so sorry you and your family are going through this. Ignore these losers on here. They seem to forget that James is your brother and you were there to be supportive. Its dehumanizing to call Ethan "nephew" Hes a human being and his name is Ethan and his life matters too. Take care of yourself ❤
How the prosecutor referred to the son/nephew as the shooter.
Judge said they are not to use his name in the trial, same rule applied in Jennifer's trial.
look how hes staring at her; witness intimidation.
So glad this is over tired of hearing it
Smart prosecution
Why is he wearing headphones?
HE CANT HEAR !!!!!
I think they should leave her alone it’s very hard for her because of the tragedy And when it was family it’s hard to testify against them .
Asking his sister if SHE saw anything concerning is useless…. Both parents saw the drawings the boy drew the morning of the shooting, and for them to just go home and ignore it, knowing they had just purchased him a handgun proves their guilt in these murders. Why they wouldnt immediately pull their son from school to get him help, is beyond what any reasonable parent would do. Why they wouldnt search his book bag, locker and gym bag is being derilect knowing they had just purchased him a weapon. Both parents are fully responsible for these shootings.
Surprised that she was allowed to testify after she was spending so much time in chats following the trial live.
She never really knew what was going on.
I just think the whole thing is heartbreaking. I cannot judge the parents from my sitting room watching utube. Compassion for everyone in this harrowing case.
First question already a problem
What is the reasoning the court gave for not using the shooter's name? I have never seen this before in our state.
The Prosecutor Karen McDonald filed a motion for his name not to be used to stop Notoriety and put focus on victims.
Thanks. @@3beanmachine126
To prevent copy cats from envying the shooter's fame - a name isn't as well-known if everyone avoids using it.
@@3beanmachine126especially after what he wrote in his journal about how he wanted everyone to know him and what he did.
Her facial expression changed when they went over how often she talked to her brother. She didn’t have a relationship with her brother or nephew. Maybe in hindsight she should have had a relationship with them. Maybe her nephew could have gone to her for help…
Did she ask her do she know him,SMH, he going to jail
Funny how the judge keeps asking people to speak up and she’s literally the only one who mumbles far away from the mic.
What is the point of this witness? Just because she is related means nothing. She did not reside in the house with her brother, nor was she around for the shooting. Wow! The ignorance of the defense team is astounding.
Well that sums p the problem. Just because she didn’t see it or notice it doesn’t mean there wasn’t anything to notice. Her mom just died. Not a lot of extra bandwidth at those times
The prosecutor is wrong she hasn't done anything.
The sister seems like a nice person I feel bad for her that she lost a leg! terrible! I hope James was always a good brother to her! But he really lacks in good parenting skills and making good decisions for his child! makes you wonder what type of upbringing James had!
Why are they not using Ethan's name in the courtroom??
obviously because they’re not going to glaringly glorify those who commit shootings and they’re not going to allow or make them notoriously known…that’s a concept broadly utilized now a days. The perpetrators want to be known and go down in history as the worst this or that and the courts, news, and ppl in general are just not going to give these criminals that gratification!!!!
I think it's because the Judge ordered his name not to be used
@@karawilhouski6445 I really don't see how saying Ethan glorifies anything but ok
I believe it has to do with his being a minor and his having appealed his case.
If you had paid attention the prosecuting attorney wanted people to focus on the victims
Michigan is creepy for doing this to parents.
This is his only witness????