Prosecutors make closing argument at James Crumbley's manslaughter trial
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2024
- Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald offered the prosecution's closing statement to the jury at the trial of James Crumbley, the father of the Oxford High School shooter. Here's the entire closing statement.
Not sure if the Crumbley parents were in denial but if JC felt his son had "no issues" why did he race home to look for the gun instead of going to the school to see if his kid was ok🤔🤔
Their whole time apparently as parents was a denial
Really good question! Thank you.
Exactly cause he new the Worm was the Shooter
He called Jennifer and asked her where she put it and the ammo.
That is what got her convicted..jury said that the evidence showed that she was the last one in possession of it and failed to secure it..not James, Jennifer..only 1 can b the last one in possession of it..
Time served.
Exactly .. no matter what he found at the home .. go to the school and find your child!! He wanted to cover his tracks ..
Parents bought him a gun, wouldn’t buy him healthcare. What were they afraid Ethan would tell a therapist??
Good point
School didn’t know James just bought his son a gun. He didn’t share that important piece of information
As per the emails sent from teachers to counselor prior to the incident, counselor and teachers knew he was going to a gun range and looking at bullets. The counselor could have addressed the concerns in the emails at the meeting. Instead, the counselor disregarded the information from those previous emails.
@@riac5388 EXACTLY doesn't exonerate JC, adds school admin and counselor and dean equally accountable, and they should be prosecuted too.
@@giveadoggyabone1Go after everyone including the video games the kid watched and the gun salesman.
@@giveadoggyabone1 agreed
This makes me mad the school knew twice and didn’t tell the parents anything
Guilty as charged...
You are a nutbag
Excellent closing.
Of course both parents are guilty. When a parent purchases a weapon for a minor's use, they are responsible for that weapon. So you better make sure the weapon it locked secure and unloaded
when not in use; and aware of where it is at all times. There's a reason a minor can't buy a weapon. Buyer beware.
AND, pay attention to your kid. If your kid isn't doing anything outside the home, i.e., sports, music, theatre, and on and on, and doesn't have a friend group, and getting in trouble in school, maybe as parents, you should talk to him. Find out what's happening in his life. Instead of following the request from the school for him to get immediate help, they did not. And let's not forget the pleas for help and drawings. Mommy and daddy were too busy dinking around with other people and not parenting.
@@juliegaines2729 and the fact he wouldn’t wash nor groom his hair, it was greasy and uncut, he had 13 cavities as he would not wash his teeth, he rarely showered nor bathed and his room was deplorable with fecal matter from household pets accumulated on all the surfaces. That’s red flags IMO for low self esteem and severe depression.
No one seems to be able to agree on gun control but if they start holding parents accountable there might be less of these cases
As a Canadian, it is absolutely bizarre to me that instead of creating stricter gun laws, the choice is now to charge parents. At first I was really confused and disagreed, but the more this case has unfolded I agree with your statement.
Surprise he doesn’t take a guilty plea
Guilty wow such awful parents
There's a lot of Parents that are like these Parents 😢
If this guy Crumbley thinks there's a chance in hell of him getting released he's really delusional! Not gonna happen James!
Guilty
No....talk about the defendants role, not all the other parts. We all know about the adults...
The kids' trauma is paramount and who provided that weapon is paramount, the person who laughed off his child's cry for help is paramount. 😢
We need to hold parents accountable for providing deadly weapons to kids. Hide them car keys too…
Already ? It just started this week ?! 🤨
He knew about the drawing . Why didn’t he take his kid home and why did he hide?
There is ZERO percent chance they aren't going to convict him when another jury already convicted the mother. They re both going down.
The jury convicted the mother because they did not follow the law as they were instructed by the judge. They went by feelings and the same stupidity that you are going by on here. Things that are not supposed to be admissible in court. I am an actual lawyer and Jennifer Crumbley can and should appeal. She should have her trial declared a mistrial. There are far too many elements of that in her trial.
I thought the same thing; if they convicted Jennifer, then he stands no chance. There’s a much more compelling case for his guilt rather than hers.
@@CharlotteFerrariBretonFirst off I highly doubt you're a lawyer because last time I checked no lawyer has to prove they're a lawyer. Also last time I checked the jury consists of your peers and not a bunch ofpeople who went to law school and therefore have nothing else to go but their feelings and how the evidence is presented to them. The Crumbley's were my neighbors and Ethan worked at the 51 diner with me as my dishwasher before covid hit. Everyone in town knows the Crumbleys were pill poppin alcoholics that cheated on each other and only stayed married and lived with each other for the the tax cuts and benefits of being married. If anything the Crumbleys are damn lucky the jury didn't consist of Oxford locals or they would never even have a chance of the benefit of the doubt because we all what kind of people they are. You need to go back to law school and study up on a real user name? Who the hell is named Ferrari ???
@@CharlotteFerrariBreton 'the same stupidity that you are going by on here.'??? Stupidity? Look at yourself in the mirror, "I am an actual lawyer " my behind. Lawyers, "actual" or not, don't speak that way. The laws in this country let the jury decide. And we go by that.
@RhinoXeroz That is just your opinion and your opinion doesn't matter. Not to me not to anybody. I don't know who you are, I don't care. I don't have to prove anything to you. I do know the law and probably much better than you do whether you like it or not. It doesn't matter to me.
My son had behavior issues, since 7yrs old, which I tried find him proper care but kids are manipulators to con the doctors they are ok. So they refused to diagnose him other than he’s lazy.
I didn’t agree; later high school got into drugs which combine with mental illness made it worst.
We paid a lot money for treatment but still no cure.
But parents know if their kid isn’t all not normal but ignore it. Or don’t want spend on cost and embarrassment as a parent.
But buying him a gun isn’t a video game.
Thank you for sharing
I'll betcha now, because of this horrific incident, that Parents start stepping up..at least the ones who care...and actually love their kiddos...that at least is some sort of consolation...maybe lives will now be saved.
@@JlynnjoneskiAre you high?
At least maybe think a little b4 buying a gun for their minor, sadly prob not tho. @@Jlynnjoneski
My heart breaks for the victims and one victim is the son of these horrid, selfish parents. Ignoring a child in desperate need of help is abuse. Some people think the father is "less guilty" than the mother. I call BS.
No job would keep me from taking my child after a meeting like that. I'd explaine its a family emergency. This people don't deserve to be called parents. They took better care of their horse's!
Their son didn't stand a chance. So many adults failed this child . They all have blood on their hands.
Its about time adults are being held accountable for their lack of action .
Heart breaking situation for all.
good closing. those drawings and writings on the math paper they saw THAT DAY are damning!!
Why do you all have to own these guns…..it is a sickness in yur society when you all need to own so many guns, show them off, yet you are all afraid to open your doors. Makes me sad
That’s very short sighted. Guns for many reasons, and responsibly and within reason.
Eyeglasses of reality
Agreed.
Because its our right as American citizens to protect ourselves. Criminals will always have guns you must live in a fantasy land.
Some people shouldn’t own firearms just like some people shouldn’t have children. But to answer your question some lawful, responsible, sane, sober and moral people may choose to own firearms so they can defend themselves or protect others from threats. Sorta like why do people own fire extinguishers or first aid kits, no?
They also let the kid use the Oujie board.
closing statements just okay. i like that she let the sequence of events kind of speak for themselves, but i think her own speaking left something to be desired.
It wasn’t very fluid …kinda choppy!
It was a bad closing, IMO. The defendant focused on the actual law. Prosecutor didn't justify why he's guilty very well, IMO.
These parents were sleepwalking thru life.
Goodness gracious
The judge is one odd lady looks so annoyed to be there
Why is he wearing headphone, sorry for the stupid question, could it be because of a hearing problem.
I was wondering too. I watched the Moms entire trial but I haven’t watched this one.
The first five minutes of the prosecution closing arguments were terribly confusing. I’m honestly afraid it’s going to confuse the jury to the point of not being able to convict him.
"King Jeremy the wicked, ruled his world" vibe all over this trial.
Prosecutor looks like she had a hard night and it was exactly that, choppy. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off.
Despite him being a Trumper (inherently dangerous), I hope he does get off. How can you convict Ethan as an adult but also trial the parents with the requirement of Ethan being a kid?
Guilty😊
So, do we start charging all parents. Daniel Riley was just convicted of a reckless accident that cost the legs of a young lady.
He was driving his mom’s car without a license.
Should his mom be charged for doing nothing to stop her son from driving her car?
Maybe they should look into that
His mother actually is listed in the suit.
🤦♀️
Yes she should be sued also if a minor, but jury would decide if parent neglect was involved.
In the savage squandering of taxpayer funds, this guy should've cut a deal. The prosecution spun a yarn so fantastical it'd make Grimm blush, all while a jury, brimming with the knowledge of the case, clamored to sit at the head of the firing squad, eager to hurl the inaugural stone.
I have no idea what you said, but I like it.
where's the yarn? they pretty dispassionately just named the sequence of events. was any of what they said a lie?
Oh wow
😂 cool story bro
Dad may not come off as inherently disinterested in his kid as the mother, but at the end of the day, he knew something was off. The "wtf" text to the wife after the school meeting says a lot. I think his head was a little buried in the sand. But remember, the kid asked dad for help, and got swatted away. Dad was the one who called 911 when the pieces finally clicked together about the school shooting down the road. Let's see what the jury thinks....will they cut him a break, and should they?
Either way his life is over. Because of a manipulative brat, which went to school hungover and that's why James said suck it up. Ethan had plenty of opportunities to ask people for help., his Aunt, numerous adults at school, he could of called his doctor. But he decided to go to school mad, doesn't excuse buying a 15yr old a gun.
She makes a lot of good points
Maybe they would have taken him if they knew about the other two times the school didn’t tell them
About
The school doesn’t raise kids. The parents knew. If they didn’t that almost as bad
Guilty ,yes but should he be punished . No . loads of kids have guns , it`s the American way of life , loads of funny u tube clips of kids firing guns badly ,some as young as 6 !!!!!! with parents shouting . "it`s their right`s !!!! im sorry .You can not have your cake and eat it .
What? When is it the law for a minor to have access to a gun?
So if your child ask for help with his mental depression and hearing voices, you would go out and buy him a gun!??? Did they think he would use it on himself??? I have to question the parents action.
@@carriewittbrodt5072 This is AMERICA , Everyone has mental depression and hearing voices. Ive just been talking to a 42 year old vegan green haired penguin from Lowa who want to go back too the north pole !!! lol I ask you what is normal over their ?
I think the defense did a good job. The prosecutor not such a good job. I actually have doubts.
Agreed.
Are you dumb? The prosecutor said basically the same exact thing that she did in Jennifer's trial and look what happened to her. James bought the gun and even worse after he found out there was an active shooter at the same high school he just left from about his son drawing pistures of killing people he drove home to look for the gun instead of going straightto the school like all the other pearents who were worried about their kids. Jennifer was thelast adult seen with the gun and that was a big factor in her being found guilty. James is in the same boat if not worse because he was supposed to be the one that locked it up and hid the key.
Lol wow so ur with ur kids always rt horses yep should of made h go thats called true hands on work so what phone does ur kid have do u know a password do u check every night since im sure u pay for even if no in ur house check ur kids and ur common sense
What jibberish is this?
What happened that day is about the children. However, the trial is about the law. The prosecutor didn't prove the law was broken. Her closing argument is it took 10 minutes to call 9-11 AFTER the shooting occurred? That's fast AF! IDK that I would have even considered calling 911 since the only reason I would have been aware of the shooting is because it's active, so the police already know. The prosecutor acting like shock isn't a real thing is what's wrong with the US legal system. This is a dangerous case, and the prosecutor did a horrible job in closing. Rest in peace to the deceased. It was terrible, but that doesn't mean others are criminally liable. What's next, prosecuting the teacher that gave them 48 hours for therapy? If the kid wanted therapy so bad, why didn't he wait 48 hours since it was guaranteed then? Why prosecute Ethan as an adult and simultaneously conveniently use his actual age as a child to convict the parents? This is abhorrent. Ethan had terrible parents as parents. They are Trumpers, so they are generally incredibly dumb also. That doesn't make them criminals.
I'm not sure why they're not holding the school accountable they were all in the same exact meeting it's so crazy to me that parents can be held accountable for a mentally ill child's actions The kid clearly wasn't displaying significant behaviors throughout school years of teachers knowing him for 20 plus years and parents always don't want to think the worst this is just a sad scenario all the way around but I also think the school needs to be accountable
They will be held accountable via civil lawsuits.
They called him in for a parent meeting and asked parents to take him home. I think that's why they get more off the hook. They did everything possible like looking for signs etc. They didn't LIVE with him like the parents cmon
The kid was only 15 so the teachers couldn't have known Ethan for 20 plus years. I think you're mistaken in the teachers having 20 plus yrs experience. Just saying.
I guess you and I watched different trials…
The school didn’t know the kid had access to a gun, nor is it their responsibility to safeguard weapons that exist in every single student’s home. The school did not provide the gun to the child either.
But in the end it was Ethan and not the parents sad
The parents bought the gun, no gun, no killing. Lack of Responsibility has consequences. 4 life's in this case.
When all else fails blame the woman
Only if the shoe fits as in this case.
James crumbly wasn’t the only one who made mistakes that day everybody messed up everybody’s failed EAthan
Prayers to the families who lost loved one’s and the people who have to testify again. I can’t imagine being in a situation like that. End gun violence
She’s only working on sympathy and political gain see how long it takes her to be in today show this time
And? IT IS ABOUT SYMPATHY AND POLITICS DUMBO
Is it a Coincidence the NRA funds the magets? So ur saying if ur kid was murdered it would be abt what? Not sympathy? And that's what's wrong with repubics folks🤪
And?? IT IS ABT SYMPATHY AND POLITICS DUMBO! THE NRA FUNDS THE MAGETS AND REPUBICS.
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
@@juliepollard592It should actually be about law and accountability for the deceased. The shooter admitted guilt and was convicted as an adult. The law for the parents was not proven to be violated, IMO. Regardless, yes, I agree to your sarcasm.
My uncle had a gun in a huge safe .my cousins knew how to clean it and use it .they broke into it and of course the younger son put it to his head .his two brothers scream at Stevie there could be one in the camber.they had to see there brother shoot himself .so even with the safe and lock kids get into them .i don’t think the parents should be charge
In ur case parents locked up AND it was their son that died that's punishment enough. Totally different situation
I am so terribly sorry for your family’s loss. Heartbreaking.
Defense did a great job
Prosecutor is disgusting
It was so long