Defense makes closing argument at James Crumbley's manslaughter trial
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- Defense attorney Mariell Lehman offered the defense's closing statement to the jury at the trial of James Crumbley, the father of the Oxford High School shooter. Here's the entire closing statement.
Even if he is somehow found not guilty- this case and his wife case will hopefully give parents in the US that ONE EXTRA THOUGHT to secure their guns and better parent their kids. These people have had their lives exposed, texts and messages read and heard- all of their dirty laundry aired. That alone should give people motivation to do better as it relates to guns in the home and teen mental health.
Oh pulleeeease, like MAGA listens to ANYTHING! No, at least it means more irresponsible, deplorable MAGA parents will be held accountable for their gross negligence.
Absolutely👍
Good closing arguments. Small courtroom but she made her points and was not limited with her body movement. She definitely gave the Defendant his right to good and competent counsel.
Remember, this is involuntary manslaughter. The gun should have been secured. When parents were at the school, they should have searched his backpack. They didn't even tell the school he was gifted a gun 3 days prior, which they bought.
Very accurate summary of the case
That's incorrect. The gvn WAS secured correctly! There were NO requirements for gvn storage @ that time!
He had every right to purchase a gvn for his son - and most parents in Michigan do so. The school had "Late Start Wednesdays" because all the kids went out hunting every Wednesday morning!
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
It doesn’t matter how he stored the gun. His son committed a crime and was charged as an adult.
Leave the parents out of it when the killer is an adult.
@@Bob-en9sw except the parents were negligent and enabled the crimes. Hence the charges.
That’s pretty standard stuff whenever someone enables another person to commit a crime like this - they get charged too. Your ignorance is astounding.
And there’s a difference between being charged as an adult and being an actual adult. HUGE difference.
@@ThatRedhedd he had NO right to purchase a handgun for his son at that age.
the parents were so clearly negligent not just as parents but in terms of gun safety. It’s absolutely wild you’re here defending them after such a heinous crime and the subsequent trials showed just how badly they neglected his mental health and did the worst thing possible - bought a gun for him (and falsified forms in the process) because federal law prohibits anyone under 18 possessing a handgun unless parents are present at his age.
They should be thankful they weren’t also brought up on federal charges. 18 U.S.C. § 922 (x) (2)
Course she try’s to blame it on the school 🙄 the gun was not secured correctly and he should not have purchased a gun for his son guilty sorry!
That's incorrect. The gvn WAS secured correctly! There were NO requirements for gvn storage @ that time!
He had every right to purchase a gvn for his son - and most parents in Michigan do so. The school had "Late Start Wednesdays" because all the kids went out hunting every Wednesday morning!
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
I beg to differ you can be just as vicious with a gun as you can with a pencil or anything else and how do you eat that burger from Burger King or Wendy's from the person that's going out and hunting the animal and giving it to the fast food chain getting slaughtered every day there's kids that are in Iraq 12 years old that enough machine guns killing people in defending their territory I'm not saying that every single thing that the parents were right on and they could have done things a little bit better my uncle was stabbed in the seventies by a guy that he went to school with him and his buddy left for dead and it was a guy that my uncle and my uncle's body went to school with did his parents know the guy that stabbed my uncles that he's going to go out and take a knife and get upset and stabbed two people probably not should they be on trial probably not the reason why they did this here is for publicity and they want to make a big case out of it we got drive-by shootings that happened every day in the hard ghettos and they barely make the news there's no law that says they can't buy a gun for your son your daughter people been hunting and doing this stuff for years even younger than him they don't know what he's thinking of what he's going throughyou could be just as vicious with a number two pencils as you can a gun
@@ThatRedheddand you're right all the people that are saying that he should have had the gun locked up in this way or that way think about this if he would have went and got a gun from somebody else and he was drawing pictures of shooting people and killing people because they found pictures of him shooting people and killing people in their parents didn't have them talk to a psychologist or whoever does that mean that they should be put on trial because they could have prevented? This type of situation they sell video games where there is prostitutes shooting killing robbing stealing and you let your four or five year old kid play it but that's okay I would think that's more of a threat is there anything because it's teaching them from a young age that this is the lifestyle that they should portray especially if they don't know no better but they don't go after them because they're multitrillion-dollar Giants😊
They said he would be able to hear the son getting the gun ready, but yet has to wear a hearing aid??? Huh🤦♀️
You have no idea how expensive hearing aids are health insurance rarely covers much if any cost.
This is a manipulation tactic ... like the other case where the defendant acted like she didn't understand English and needed an interpreter the whole trial.
This defense is def doing a better job than the mother’s.
My autistic son who was relentlessly bullied was talking about suicide at school with a friend who was feeling suicidal. He was trying to help the friend by telling the friend he had been suicidal the previous year and got treatment and that his friend could get help too. My son’s school was told about that conversation and IMMEDIATELY called me and told me he couldn’t come back until he had been evaluated at the hospital. THAT is how you handle that stuff. Not that “it’s not urgent” BS.
Your son admitted to PRIOR (stated to be resolved) suicidality, and the school's response was to remove him from his friends until a formal evaluation is completed? Sounds like poor timing to me. Taking someone away from their possible routine/ comfort zone is also risky. In the case of Ethan, it was an active/ current danger. I agree the school was the last chance (other than Ethan himself) to make an immediate impact. However, prior issues should not be handled with expulsion.
Totally different circumstances.
The school had no way to make a parent take their kid if they refused. The parents said they would have to leave him at home alone and go back to work, which was not true. The school thought Ethan shouldn't be left alone.
@@maryjackson1194Not true. If there was true concern, they could have called EMS for an emergent evacuation.
@@maryjackson1194 all school ave the ability to not allow a child back at the school until a doctor signs off that they are not a danger to themselves or others. Just like all schools say a child cannot come back to school unless they have ent had a fever in 24 hrs. It’s called rules.
He should have informed the school of the firearm and didn’t and then made a panicked call as the shooting was happening. He knew and could’ve prevented this horrific act.
He knew what? He didn't know his son had accessed the gvn. He didn't know his son had a gvn that day at school. He only checked to see if the gvn was where he left it _AFTER_ he was told there was an active shooter @ the school. OF COURSE HE WAS PANICKED after that! 🙄
It's YOUR opinion because of HINDSIGHT that he should have informed the school about the gvn. It wasn't required for any parent to inform the school when they purchased a gvn for their kid. Nobody did that. It didn't occur to James to do so because NOBODY (not even the school psychologist) had any clue that the child was homicidal or would take the gvn without permission.
You're just taking all your hindsight and blaming the parents for not having the benefit of hindsight!
@@ThatRedhedd- He was drawing guns and people bleeding the day of the shooting. The parents were aware of this. Due diligence and common sense would say that action was needed. Taking him out of school, informing the school that he had free and unchecked access to a gun that looked like the one he drew … they chose to continue to ignore him.
Didn’t his son tell the counselor he went to shooting range with his mom? If so, school should have checked backpack before the parents even arrived for the meeting!
@@sarataylor9192 So his son drew a few pictures of a gun and some blood....a few pictures and his parents are suppose to think their son was gonna shoot up the school??? Thats like saying just because your daughter was drawing pictures of a pregnant girl that she wants to go get pregnant! Why would you think that your son would shoot up the school when he had no history of mental health issues and seem fine to the school personal and his parents?? Not even the school personal thought it could have been him!
@@jodi2462there were so many obvious red flags. You must have not watched either trial. These two parents have set the bar for the insane amount of eff ups you need to pile on one after the other to allow this to happen. 5 years in prison should let them both reflect on what awful awful parents they are and how their reckless negligence caused mass merder.
This is the “he didn’t know” defense. James DID know that he didn’t tell the school about buying his son a gun four days prior. He DID know of his son’s proficiency with a firearm. I think it should have been phrased “He didn’t care”. He and the Mrs attempting to flee tells me that they didn’t care for their son, but only for themselves. They are all three guilty.
PLUS the principal, dean, and counselor, all gross negligence!
You have no idea what he knew and didnt know!
@@giveadoggyabone1yes! All the above !! Put them on trial too
How can you say JC didn’t know he was having a hard time! The texts are there. I need help. He says suck it up and take some pills
to mom...
@@latanyaharris-gooden427
She's better than the wife's attorney, but that's not saying much! 😅
And people commit suicide when no one knows how depressed they are.
That's what the school was worried about -- because they didn't know about the gun, they didn't know his only friend was away in a mental health facility, and they didn't know about his messages to his parents asking for help.
@@maryjackson1194 the school knew he went to the shooting range and they had guns.
But they DO KNOW that a gun in the home means an 80% chance someone in the home will be harmed, killed, maimed, disfigured MORE than any intruder!
@@kirbykirbalicious448 you are able to rent guns at shooting range to use while you are there
@@kirbykirbalicious448you are allowed to rent guns at a shooting range to use while you are there. But still I would have assumed they owned some as well
Her closing is far better than Jennifer’s lawyer. Still, guilty.
James is guilty for the same reason his wife is guilty. They have equal parental responsibilities and they both failed to live up to them. They equally failed to help Ethan and protect him from himself. That's both of their jobs. He doesn't get to assume Jennifer was taking care of everything. He's still just as much a parent as she is.
If he's found innocent, then Jennifer has to be too.
Jennifer was found guilty so by that logic he’s guilty lol. But yes you are right, they are BOTH equally responsible!
Well now both are guilty. Hope they get it now. Other parents who did right by the way they raised their children, ended up having to bury their children who were given loving attention, unlike these 2 irresponsible ones who cast the responsibility on everyone else. Ethan at least owned his actions and they could learn something from him.
Not knowing what your child is up to secondary to your neglect of your child is not a defense.
JC knew his son was hearing voices, was not sleeping, was left alone all the time starting when he was very young and begging neighbors for help, asking for help from his parents but being laughed at or told to "suck it up." The coup de gras: was that his wife was afraid their son would "do something dumb." He knew/knows all this.
I'll be 30 in June, no kids or husband, because I'm living my life first. But this case, and the tragedy brought about by the shooters' parents' neglect, and lack of giving a fig about the child THEY brought into the world, has brought out maternal instincts I didn't know I had. So desperate was the shooter, that he wrote and drew and looked up bullets IN SCHOOL where his activities would be seen, trying to get help from SOMEBODY. He got nothing, story of this kid's life. He knows his parents will get a vet for a horse, while he gets jack from daddy and mommy dearest. Oh, sorry. They gave him a bottle of whiskey to drown his sorrows and drink himself to sleep at 15 years old.
There's no help for JC's son now, nor for Madison, Hanna, Tate, and Justin, all of Blessed Memory. All that's left is for the jury to find the POS sitting at the defense table GUILTY for the four deaths, and for the judge to sentence the POS to the max sentence the law allows times 4, those sentences to be served consecutively. Please God, may it be so.
Yes!!! 💯
LOL!...NONE of that was evidence in this trial!...And you have NO IDEA what he knew! Please dont have children because clearly you wouldnt be able to handle it!
Good lawyer, BUT sorry -- both parents are guilty.
That's incorrect. The gvn WAS secured correctly! There were NO requirements for gvn storage @ that time!
He had every right to purchase a gvn for his son - and most parents in Michigan do so. The school had "Late Start Wednesdays" because all the kids went out hunting every Wednesday morning!
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
@@ThatRedheddhow did you manage to get almost all of the facts about what happened prior to and during that day wrong? What have you been watching?
@@invisobill2125fox news 😂
@@ThatRedhedd awww your boys going to prison, sorry 🙃
Such a devastating shooting that could have been circumvented by both parents AND also the school district.This may end up as being a LANDMARK DECISION that will be studied for decades on what to do, what not to do and alternative scenarios that may/ may nor prevent such senseless loss of life. God Help Us.
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
@@ThatRedhedd Such a zealous and repetitive defense of this couple. You are clearly a family member or friend. And your effort to make him seem not guilty will most likely be in vain, as it was for Jennifer.
Much better than Shannon smith.
not a very high bar (pun unintended)
I can see why this atty left her joint practice with Shannon Smith
@@horvathsogranfume658 👏👏👏👏
James's attorney is offering a more credible defense. If he's not found guilty, Jennifer is really going to regret the helicopter mom defense her lawyer was blathering on about throughout her trial.
Night and day. Unprepared, whiney and unprofessional to dad’s that was able to name evidence numbers, names… closing was good but I thought she would do better as she did so much better presenting her case. Guilty. And horrible parents.
Didn’t Ethan tell the counselor and Assistant Principal that he had gone to the shooting range w/ his parents? If so, school knew before parents even got there- why didn’t they check his backpack?
You can borrow guns at the range it doesn’t mean you where there with your own
@@lioy3825 Exactly my thoughts. Saying he went to a shooting range doesn't make it ok to say open your backpack. Now the parent who had no idea where the gun was should have asked if he had that gun in his backpack. They knew they couldn't find it. They were all about lying by omission and failing to disclose information. Does anyone think that if they said he was psychotic, not sleeping and begging for help from them, the school would say to leave him in school? This child was an inconvenience for them. He was neglected and 4 children lost their lives and don't forget about other injured people.
It really sucks that one person's lack of parenting can cause four families so much pain. 😢😢 It was James responsibility to know!!!!
Isn’t it the parents job to know if your child is depressed, anxious or even just feeling off?? It is not enough to say Ethan didn’t tell the school and he didn’t tell his father specifically that morning, parents have to plug in and be present in their kids lives period
Miss defense attorney, if James knew nothing about his son, that's exactly why he's negligent.
That's a straw man argument. Nobody said James knew nothing about his son.
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
The trial should have delved deeper into shooter's psychology regarding animal abuse.
It's been said their son was distraught by the death of their dog yet on the other hand he was known for animal cruelty by torturing birds.
What really happened to their dog?
Could the shooter have perpetrated abuse and cruelty on their dog resulting in its death?
Shooter "depressed" about dog's death while having no qualms about torturing birds?
People committing animal abuse and cruelty has a link to human abuse and cruelty.
The prosecution should have questioned the parents about their son's deviant behavior towards animals.
It seemed to me that the defender was trying to say that James was home when his son was handling the gun, suggesting that he was supervised. Now she's saying that he didn't know that he was handling them unsupervised?
Kids draw guns and bullets ? Really ? Not normal in my community
This is so sad. Those poor children gone. Those parents .. 🙏🏿
If they had simply said ‘we brought him a gun for the firing range’ the whole outcome would of been different, how many parents in meetings with the school about concerns over mental health share no information at all? Most would yet these 2 were more concerned about their own lives than Ethan’s and it cost 4 kids their lives. Guilty
The lawyer for Jennifer Crumbley was not a good lawyer but this lady is very good.
Guilty as charged !
The gun should have been locked up properly, not just hidden. Kids can find Xmas presents, so finding the gun would have been easy.
This lawyer is so much better than the lawyer his wife had. It’s too bad she’s already been convicted. I’m just wondering how those jurors can possibly ignore that information.
What would Marielle say?
It shouldn’t matter. It’s not evidence.
Plus who cares? 😅
She is good but these parents were neglectful
His argument was since he was such a neglectful parent and knew nothing about his son he should be Innocent. 😢
Failed argument >>>straight to GUILTY VERDICT!
james is gonna be gone for awhile
At least she's not SHOUTING at the jury the way she did the witnesses...
Great defense.
He’s still guilty.
I wonder if James would be found guilty if he was first on the trial. I am asking myself if the conviction of his wife which had a quite bad defense impacted the judgement.
Good job defense
There was no defense.
Would u feel that way if your child was one of the victims?? Unlikely.
@@marcathens2951 No, they wouldn't care unless it was an egg in a petri dish.
@@Greeneggsandham123 ...clearly you just missed it!
@@marcathens2951 it has nothing to do with that! Can you not follow simple instructions from the Judge...emotions are not to play a part in a juries decision!....The defense attorney did an awesome job!!
James knew his son was the shooter ! James SAID that the shooter may be my SON. BULSHT
That's incorrect. He didn't know his son had accessed the gvn. He didn't know his son had a gvn at school. He only checked to see if the gvn was where he left it _AFTER_ he was told there was an active shooter @ the school. OF COURSE HE WAS PANICKED after that! 🙄
It's YOUR opinion because of HINDSIGHT that he should have informed the school about the gvn. It wasn't required for any parent to inform the school when they purchased a gvn for their kid. Nobody did that. It didn't occur to James to do so because NOBODY (not even the school psychologist) had any clue that the child was homicidal or would take the gvn without permission.
You're just taking all your hindsight and blaming the parents for not having the benefit of hindsight!
Sooo if EC was begging for help (and i believe he has been for quite a while) He had his opportunity to speak get the help offered at the meeting. I think EC was begging for anything at all from the parents but was neglected.
I miss living in Michigan where the Meijer store is called "The Meijer".
James did know his son has had potential to have a mental health break due to hallucinations & hurting animals- there video of james crumbly hearing his son say I did it then james says i love u several times & his son was speaking almost in a wisper so as far as im concerned james can hear just fine
He’s not fully deaf stupid he has LOSS OF HEARING in ONE ear
Agreed - because of how the gun was taken, they wanted to act like he wouldn't hear his son sneak off with it. Pure manipulation 101 ... when the parents whisper while placed in the police car, he hears fine. Most people hard of hearing tend to speak loud. He's looking for excuses at every turn. Such BS.
Basically her entire defense was about "if they had proof that JC knew {insert something here}". That is a dogshit defense. That's not what this case is about.
If the parents knew what their son was planning, they would've been charged with voluntary manslaughter. They weren't. They were charged with involuntary manslaughter.
She is giving a good speech against charges that were not brought. I didn't watch the pros closing, but I hope they pointed it out and the judge's jury instructions are clear on it
James didn’t know about son, he knew he son was troubled seems he did know.
Judge is freaking out … odd
Hope he gets found guilty but, she has a good argument.
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
@@ThatRedhedd I don't need to have the case explained to me as I live right outside the outskirts of the Oxford community which this has devastated. I know the facts about this case like many Oxford residents do, I only expressed my opinion regarding her closing argument but, thank you for all your knowledgeable insight ~enjoy your day
@@fayeart5277 Agreed! It's ridiculous to copy/paste the same response to everyone on the thread as though they are clueless. We heard the trial. They are not mental health professionals and they failed their son which resulted in children losing their lives. I wonder if this writer lost a child the remarks would be the same. It was the parent's job to inform the school. This child was an inconvenience for these 2 parents. This defense sealed his fate. Ethan needed to be evaluated. James Crumbley was also found guilty and for the children who lost their lives, justice was served.
These parents were disconnected and not approachable for Ethan . BULSHT closing arguments
Prosecuting parents is a very slippery slope.
Also, they charged his son as an adult. Not a juvenile. Either the young man is an adult or not.
If he is then leave his parents out of it.
It'd just wrong to prosecute children as adults. There needs to be a law change.
@@giveadoggyabone1
He was described as being "more mature" than other 15 year olds.
Tried as an adult because of the nature of the planned crime.
Doesn't matter that he was 15 at the time. His parents were liable for their sub-adult child.
Maybe this will make children think twice about committing a gun crime if their parents could possibly be sent to prison.
Unless a kid really hates his parents and would want their parents in jail.
@@maryshkamiceli8388Are you high?
@@giveadoggyabone1Agreed. However, it's also wrong to prosecute parents for the actions of the child.
I think Attorney Lehman oversold it. She keeps going off on how no one else was worried. That's because they didn't know the son had a gun, had lost his friend, was isolated, and had asked his parents for help. The school didn't know that the parents were off with their hobbies while he was alone at home.
Excellent closing by Defense attorney.
Wow, the tiger went tiger...what a surprise. And the tiger used it's claws, another surprise. It's all surprising stuff.
do you think if ethan had killed himself the parents would have been charged? or would they consider them grieving parents and feel it wouldn't be viable guilty verdicts to charge them?
I think they would still consider charging them if the same evidence existed that does now. Their neglect of him falls under child abuse laws because they are neglecting his basic needs and grossly neglecting them at that. That is still a crime. They probably wouldn’t face a manslaughter charge but probably most definitely felony child abuse (neglect) charges resulting in the death of a child which would probably carry more prison time than they could be looking at now. I mean it’s a good question . I am a mandated reporter and have a background in law/criminal justice so that’s just where my opinion is coming from.
Great point
Very good closing!
Yes, very good closing to seal the guilty verdict. Bravo!
Excuse me but he told his son to “suck it up”! Not sure he cared! Sadly!
No, actually, that wasn't in evidence.
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
@@ThatRedhedd yes it was in evidence! In his text messages!
They should have took him home and checked his backpack and not went home to check for the gun! school should be held responsible too those parents have lost their kids forever if they felt they were innocent why did they run and leave their son with a public defender another parent fail! Why buy him a GUN and take him shooting then Not lock the gun up safely!
Can we talk about this Lawyer compare to Jennifer’s 😂
😄
Much more professional and compelling in her arguments than Jennifer’s mouthpiece. At least this attorney can hold her head high once he’s convicted, knowing she put forth all the best arguments that could be presented.
Wow but not ONE of these teenagers parents gets charged in Detroit lmao😂 pathetic
For what?
This lawyers child wasn’t in danger like Tate and the other 3
Correct. Not sure of the point.
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
This is a slippery slope! Has there ever been a case where a kid, who is driving the family car, goes out, drinks and kills someone in an accident? Do they hold the parents responsible? I've never heard of it. But.......if you are going to hold people responsible, can't you also level charges at the people who dealt with Ethan Crombley at the school? The person who, after being asked if the parents should take Ethan home for the day, told them that he could stay. Should he be culpable for the crimes of the boy?
How about the Laken Riley case? Should ICE, or the Biden administration be culpable for the crimes of Laken Riley's suspected killer, since he was captured illegally entering the United States but then released into the population? Where does it end? We are already living in a world of cancel culture, where people are judged for perceived wrongs and have their entire lives turned upside down, based upon word of mouth. Apparently we are also living in the age of the witch hunt where people want revenge towards everyone connected with people who are accused of crimes. It seems like we are living in a Twilight Zone episode these days.
Finally, why can't they mention Ethan Crombley's name?? Why does he have to be referred to as the son of the accused, or the "killer"? We're all adults in the courtroom aren't we??
What about the bartenders who continue to sell drunk people alcohol, are they not liable? How about the parent who knows the child is drunk/drugged up but fails to secure the car keys, allows the child to take the car and someone is killed. Do they have no responsibility? Parents need to wake up. If you get a depressed teen a gun and don't secure it, a killing might likely occur. The person did not have the full details about the gun or the direction may have been different. Needless to say, I don't need a school official to tell me to get the child help. I would have made it my business to pull the child out of school. These parents didn't want to be bothered. Father does Door Dash and the child could have been with him. Mother said she could have had him there. The lame excuses are a bit much.
In my opinion the mom is more liable than james
James bought and owned the gun. It was his responsibility.
I think there is blame to have all around. I don't think the school vetted the situation well enough. I think they should have done more. I think the mom was too busy with her own life to worry about her son. She was very neglectful. I think the dad did a better job, but still not enough. If they are going to charge the parents, they need to charge the school employees too. They should have called CPS to help Ethan. The parents were not going to help him. The school has a responsibility too.
They had money for guns and buletts but not healthcare. The c ch ode to get to the gun was 00000 are you kidding me I know parents are too busy to care and a little of them are stupid, but really. Guilty. Lock him up with his wife. They should have gotten him health care prayers for the family’s who lost loved one’s. End gun violence
Good try defense,......... guilty!
That's not a fair judgement. The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
The school had 15 minutes of the child's history, the parents paid that child absolutely NO ATTENTION & that is why they are negligent. Have you watched the entire trial? How can you not hold them accountable, he had no friends, but yet they buy him a gun. If they knew better, they'd do better!
She lied, the gun was not hidden. If it was, four innocent kids would be alive today. All he had to do was hide the gun and lock the gun. He never opened the package for the lock. Its still sealed in the package it came in. GUILTY!!!!
Not Guilty. The gvn WAS secured correctly! There were NO requirements for gvn storage @ that time!
He had every right to purchase a gvn for his son - and most parents in Michigan do so. The school had "Late Start Wednesdays" because all the kids went out hunting every Wednesday morning!
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
Umm..really? Educate yourself before you comment. Apparently you didn't watch the previous case against his wife. I did... The gun wasn't hidden AND it wasn't locked. How can you not know this? Learn the fact BEFORE you comment!!! Don't be stupid!!
@@SteveV2023 it was not a law to lock up firearms at the time of the shooting. They just passed that law.
@kirbykirbalicious448 the law? Are you being serious? They bought a gun for their son with obvious mental issues, kept it unsecured, and since it's not "the law" to lock it up, you think that's ok? Really? There's a thing called BEING RESPONSIBLE and being SMART, something you know nothing about.
@@ThatRedhedd GUILTY - the jury has confirmed the verdict. Innocent children lost their lives. Have some empathy. Their lives are just as important as this dysfunctional family's. It's about being a responsible parent more than what he had a right to do. Those children who were killed had rights too.
Dad’s attorney was much stronger than Mom’s. Still don’t think either parent should be in jail.
well thank goodness jennifers jurors have more common sense than you 👍
weren't they the same?
Agreed!
@@michladd24 no, they had different attorneys
Nope, I still hate listening to the defense attorney, her voice is way to harsh. Bottom line, he's the one who purchased the gun. Parents are responsible for their childrens actions, up until they are 18 and then you're off the hook. BUY A GUN FOR YOUR KID THEN YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE . Guilty
So if the kid used a knife purchased by his own money, charge the parents?
It wasn't a big house, and they left their teenaged son home alone for long periods of time. OF COURSE his son knew where the gun was stored.
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
Buying the gun for him not locking the gun up and the not telling the school about his son has used a gun such as the one he drew at home. Neglect prior to that day for his son's mental health!
@@LYVwithLYN The school knew Ethan used a gun. The counselor literally admitted to that. The ATF agent expressed there is no law requiring a gun to be "locked up." Multiple people from the school with more training than you didn't see any sign of danger.
I agree, Ethan was abused by his parents. The decision and execution of his actions that day were still all on Ethan. The fact Ethan was asking for the gun for days shows the parents were trying to do something nice for him not thinking it would be used for redrum.
Weak closing argument. In fact, some of her points even help support the prosecution. For example, about buying the gun.. she states he doesn't converse with his son in the gun store, & that if the gun store person knew he was buying it for someone else (especially a TEENAGER) , they would have NEVER sold it to him. Exactly. Him buying it for his son & not appropriately securing it & locking it up is enough to convict him as guilty. And just because a child has no behavioral issues in school, does NOT mean they are doing fine. Many are quiet & hold everything inside...& if I saw that math paper & his drawings & what he wrote, I would NOT need any counselor or school official to suggest concern about it. I would be extremely concerned on my own and taken him straight to ANY place to seek psychiatric counsel at that moment. They are not necessarily guilty of him shooting anyone, but most definitely 100% GUILTY of not PREVENTING this from occuring. He should not have been bought that gun to begin with, but even so, not having it in a gun safe is irresponsible on the parents part & now 4 innocent children are gone. So sad for those families & friends of those that were fatally shot & killed.
EC said nothing in gun store because I'm sure he was told not too prior to going in.
Someone who wants to do something will get what they need to do such Can't Balme others for there mental health issues unless it is proven that those who have such issues everyone ignored. Which is what happened. Why did many of kids know what was gonna go down but they adults did not. Kinda crazy Adults also knew by am also why they called there kids in absent for the day. Messed up anyway ya look at it
Just curious: how many other parents went home and checked to see if their guns were still at home? I've never heard of that being a thing at any other school shootings.
They had a meeting 2 hours before the shooting. They saw his drawing, two hours before the shooting. All the other parents that own guns did not have a meeting two hours before the shooting.
She told some lies.
Great lawyer. I still think he’s guilty though.
Hmmmmm. The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
James sure made plenty of mistakes and he should have know something was of with his son. BBut I think the mother is the evil one and she was to for her son, was busy with her lover and going away with the lover and was forever busy with the horses. She spent most of her time away from home. A bad bad mom.
That's a very confident-sounding judgement while you don't know these people.
Nobody testified that Jennifer was a "bad mom." Nobody testified that she was evil, or never home. She didn't go away with "her lover." She _occasionally _ went away for work - and he met her. Moms are allowed to have hobbies...allowed to own horses, FYI! "Ooooh...she had horses, what a bad mom!" Seriously?
You're not a psychologist, and only have a limited, curated set of information about the family, as opposed to a complete picture of the family's interactions. You're assuming more than you're capable of knowing. That's unfair, and you probably wouldn't like people who don't know you making those statements about your character. Whether or not you have respect for those parents, that manner of speaking isn't a practice anyone should engage in.
The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?
Detroit news every day kid got unsecured weapon and it unalived but them parents are not charged it’s a joke how you charge these parents but let the inner city get away with it😂 it’s sad how many people are all on this but the Detroit; 4 year old left a lone gets a hold of it and is gone but that’s ok the parents clearly just set it on the dresser but no charges smh
Wow. That defense attorney isn’t very good. It seems like even she doesn’t believe what she’s saying.
Glad the jury didn't buy her BS. GULITY as charged on all counts. RIP beautiful children.
James, is guilty, of not putting a lock, a secured lock, not with 000, entry code! And keeping it! Put away! Is James guilty, of neglect, and not taking care of his son? Yes! But, James didnt kill those people! His son, did! What good , is it, to lock the dad up? Its not going to bring those people back! Should the school , be held accountable? Yes! Especially, the counselor! He should of searched his son's bag! And none of this, would of happened! The mother, wow! She is a terrible Mother! She should get 7-10 years! , james should get 5 years supervised probation! So, he can at least, be present in the kids life, regardless how grim, that will be! And james shouldnt be able to purchase or own a gun! Case closed!
He did not know he had to protect others from his son?!
Whew 😂
She made the dad seem like a stranger, dumb, and deaf. I call bull.
Good job but cut your hair shorter.
This defense lawyer put on a heck of a defense.
Uare in lala land
If he got an “fair” jury he might have an chances. He actually had an good lawyer, and she brought up very good points in her closing arguments. The key word is an fair jury though, like the law and his lawyer said if you have any reasonable doubt you can’t vote guilty. Because the media wants you to say guilty from day one doesn’t change the law. I feel like they had stronger case against the mother. He “might” walk if the jury if is “fair”. But let’s me honest he would have an hard time to find an fair jury any where in this country. The school counselor also should be charged, he should said something way before he did!
Merielle Lehman is a hottie! My goodness! 😍🥰
I fart rainbows 🌈 do you believe it can happen ? BULLSHT
innocent!!
If he was innocent he wouldn't be at trial. It's GUILTY or NOT GUILTY and the verdict today 3/14 made it clear that he is GUILTY! He is nasty, self-centered and a manipulator. He can't hear .... REALLY! except when whispering with his wife in the back of a police care. He's FOS. Justice for those innocent children ...
I said it before and I said it again I think that they could have done a little bit better job if they knew their son had problems with hiding the weapon but you got to remember to you can't say what somebody else is going to do you know my parents didn't know when I was a kid that I was going to do certain things and get in trouble or act out on certain ways My grandmother used to say it best you got the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other and what side you going to choose and that's really the real what it comes down to here I've been around guns my whole life and started shooting a rifle at about 7-8 years old my father my uncle used to go out hunting taught us how to skin fish catch fish and things like that deer raccoon in different animals to survive that's what people did years ago before there was meat markets or anything else and then the government gets involved and everybody got to have licenses and all this stuff because they're not making a profit from it hunting and fishing licenses you never needed no hunting or fishing licensebut the fact of the matter is in the point of view is that I've been around guns me and my siblings my whole life and I've never hurt nobody and they've never hurt nobody with them so what does that mean that means that not only do we have a lot of respect because it's a gun and it could kill you yourself by looking at it the wrong way or holding it the wrong way or playing a game with your brother or sister but also I would like to note that if I went out and did something with one of the guns that my parents owned for hunting or whatever else did my parents specifically know I was going to do that no they don't know what you're going to do and I don't know what they're going to do this wasn't premeditated I don't know how any jury could ever convict him or his wife because they didn't put a special type of lock on their gun safe it was still in a safe whether it had a special code to the safe or not and even that said there is no law that discriminated or takes away that you can't teach your kids how to use a weapon or to go out into the wilderness and hunt I very highly doubt that stuff that their son said they're things that he is said probably brushed it off and figure this is their son he is a loving son and he would never do such a thing that's the way I feel I don't believe in my heart deliberately that they give him a gun and bought it specifically for him to go in and just shoot people at his school their son shot four people we hear more about this casethen we do the drive-by shootings that happened in occur every day in the ghettos where babies are shot in the head tore up from a drive-by shooting in half the time they don't even find The Killers that's the sad part rest in peace to all the children that died here and the lights were lost and condolences to the families I am truly sorry but we're hearing about this case more than we hear about the cases that happen every single day in the ghettos if this happened in Detroit you'd probably never even hear about it not in the outskirts of Detroit but actual Detroit them kids down there Robin and stealing and shooting themselves every day that's like an everyday thing and that stuff's been going on since the seventies probably even before that but since it's in a town where it's all mostly Caucasian descent it makes headlines but I personally don't think that the parents should be on trial for something that their son done
G-U-I-L-T-Y!
Unfair judgement. The school psychologist & the child's teachers didn't have any concerns about his mental health prior to that day. He didn't exhibit psychosis, violence, defiance, disrespect, poor hygiene, or anti-social behaviors.
The day concerns for depression & potential self-harm arose, the parents BOTH went to meet with school staff. They were specifically told to get him in therapy within 48 hours - & what did they say? "YES! We'll do that!"
They discussed with school staff whether or not they should remove him that instant, and the school counselor said, "No, he can stay!" When parents are told by the _Professionals_ that their child's fine to stay @ school & that he needs to start therapy within 48 hours (and parents concur) which part were they wrong for?