Former co-worker of Oxford shooter's mother takes stand at her manslaughter trial
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- čas přidán 29. 01. 2024
- Amanda Holland, a former co-worker of the mother of the Oxford High School shooter, took the stand at the mother's trial on Tuesday, Jan. 30. Here is her testimony. Please note: The beginning of her testimony was cut off due to camera issues.
Locked her child out of the house??? Despicable.
This is a good example of why you should keep co-workers at a distance
Her attorney makes my blood boil. 🤦🏻♀️
She sounds like she's still in school learning how to be a lawyer!
It’s the same lawyer that defended Larry nassar
Her attorney is perfect for her. The lawyer is as good an attorney as she is a mother.
😂
Good thing you THINK your so above her! Bet your not!
@@June-tb4vi I bet 89.9 % of the population is. I can't think of a time I was out looking for sex partners on adult friend finder when I should have been working with my depressed child.
Well said Shoe Chica
@@June-tb4viyou're*
She has to be one of the worst Defense Attorneys I’ve ever seen!
I don’t know amber herd’s attorney was pretty useless too
This so called mother deliberately locked her own son out of the house in the cold and her attorney has the audacity to essentially say that everyone failed her son EXCEPT her! Am I going mad?
No, you're not going mad. The defense lawyer on the other hand...
@@369blueneptune oh boy!! Ms Dumb Dumb Defense Attorney, she's really something
You do know what every defense lawyers job is correct? Like you do understand how all the thousands of rapists and murderers get to put on a defense every day all day right?
@@jborden18Why is it so common for women wanting to assert their superior motherhood skills while joyfully trashing others. Most also have the blessing of having mentally healthy kids. To believing mothers, I wish you would recall, “judge not” because God will take care of that.
@@coreyh5989I do. I just think she is not doing a very good job. In fact it makes me wonder if she is setting this up for appeal by reason of ineffective counsel. Especially the emotional nonsense she showed during some of the testimony. She was on Larry Nassar’s team so I doubt she is as inept as she is appearing in this case. JMO
I like how the co-worker corrects the attorney on the date of her original testimony, and yet the attorney STILLS tries to make her look unreliable because this testimony was a longer amount of time after the events than her original teatimony. Sounds like the co-worker remembers the events just fine
The co worker gave opinions. She didn't state any facts. She had two or three conversations where the kid was brought up. Not enough to be used as evidence.
Good Parents do not lock their son out of the house.
I live by Oxford and never thought to lock my two sons out of the house...
@@jenscheibner792 What if you thought you were in danger?
@@susankustich1720you involve the police and get the kid into a safe place to get the help they need. 5150
I don't imagine most bad parents lock their children outside. That's behavior few people of any caliber would even think about doing.
@@susankustich1720
From a 9 year old?
I still can't get over the fact that they ran. THE ACTUALLY THREW THEIR SON OFF A CLIFF, TURNED THEIR BACKS, SOLD THEIR STUFF AND RAN!!!!
Sad
And stole his money to do all that.
They didn’t sell anything.
How did they throw their son off a cliff?
@@KristyOsborne-xm2bpI wish.
If Crumbly is convicted, she'll likely be able to file a successful appeal on "ineffective defense"--because this defense attorney is a complete bozo.
Not sure about that; any attorney would have. hard time defending her.
She is a spaz but she covers all the bases.
She hired her. It's not a public defender.
Her attorney is flat out weird.
Thanks Matlock .
sounds like the coworker was just polite to Jennifer and tolerated her. That’s it.
Exactly
Another day of the defense attorney being less prepared than the witnesses lol
Her loud mouth way of talking wont convince anyone her client is innocent
LoL! Yesterday I was just thinking that this lawyer would end up getting herself convicted of the crime she is defending.
Defense attorney dumb dumb
I would rather have a person who speaks clearly & loudly than a mumbler!
Defense attorney dumb dumb
Imagine being a innocent co worker of Jennifer and having your life turned upside down?!
I’m beginning to think that this whole thing could be the fault of this co worker. How dare she not remember every detail of the Crumbley family dynamic.
The ridiculous this is wasted money on the taxpayer okay you know Ethan crumbly Is Not Innocent okay however neither are the children and the adults that used to bully him frankly I don't give a f*** I don't cry for none of them
@@MaryHartman-ei9pv Wow, your comment is more than a little twisted. Time to get some help...
@jenscheibner792 yeah don't try to figure me out Jen because you won't I'm Not The Devil's Advocate I'm not going to defend any of you women God took your children off this Earth well take it up with him would it be that you all advocate for death Against The Unborn so God figured well they don't care about their kids anyway???? Did you fault any of the children that were torturing Ethan Crumley on a daily basis???? That's why nobody cries for you you get it now hypocrisy is amazing don't expect me to ever stand with any of you women get used to it respect is earned and I don't respect women who advocate for death Against The unborn but now you're all crying right because somebody else took your kid out yeah too bad God has punished you you don't like it take it up with God the father Jesus Christ
@@jenscheibner792 I wouldn't expect a woman who Advocates to Kill The Unborn to understand yeah take a seat Jen I'm not here to serve any of you women get that through your head
Aren’t Jennifer’s comments more about “Look what I have to deal with” as opposed to “Look how my son is suffering.” Or “look at what this shows about what my son is going through.”
It is all about her.
That’s the impression I got. Sort of a.. look at what I’ve got to deal with! Instead of genuine concern
Tbh if she was truly thinking about her son, she would not have shown that drawing to anyone, except immediately to a mental health specialist. It's shocking how she was blasting that hideous drawing to all her friends and coworkers like some twisted show-and-tell.
Does anyone remember how these "parents" Abandoned this boy and went one to run to avoid the police? They did not care about the Dead and Wounded or their son.
A lot of people are criticizing them for that, but I cannot imagine the constant media, public criticism and maybe even hatred. I can't say I would not also leave town. Wouldn't you? And don't say that this would never happen to you because you just don't know.
And cleaned out their son's bank account to aid their get away! Paying for good lawyers for themselves, leaving their minor child to fend for himself!
@suzibouch-xm9yr
I remember that. Also, they were discovered hiding out in a warehouse.
@@DawgMama I am a lawyer, I majored in Criminal law in New York. I am now in Paris pursuing a post doctoral degree in International law. This case is a full blown human rights violation.
Doubt it they were tracking g their trac phones..
This makes me so grateful i don't have coworkers who update me on their family drama every morning.
Defense attorney is so incompetent, didn't have the right date for the first interrogation, then tries to make the co-worker look bad, like she's being judgmental for expressing her opinion about spending time with the shooter, & then picking at little discrepancies from the previous testimony, & trying to make it sound as if the prosecution staged her testimony, as if she's not being truthful now. Can you tell she's got no defense?
Perhaps this is the plan, if she is found guilty, it can be said she had ineffective counsel and have a new trial.
The coworker is a fair weather friend. Playing it one way before the event, and the opposite way after.
@@axemangang1584 you think this lawyer is purposely throwing the case in order that down the line Mrs. Crumbly _may possibly_ be granted a new trial??? 😅😅😅
That kid was reaching out for attention, so desperately to his Mom. Telling her he is seeing things, drawing pictures of guns, His mother reply was, "Is Dad there" blowing off her son. And not telling the school they bought their mentally ill and troubled son a gun. Not checking his backpack, not knowing his gun is looked away in a safe with no bullets, because they have a safety plan. Never seeking mental health care of at the very least, paying attention to her son.
True. It's craziness how any parent would think buying a troubled teen a gun would help them. If they had took him home this would not have happened 😢 if they hadn't bought the gun in the first place this wouldn't have happened. They helped it happen for sure
They cared more about their horses than they did their son.
of course can't be heard .
Absolutely you were able to learn all that from the few witnesses? Hmm, others have seen the exact opposite of this mother. They will never get a guilty verdict, mark my words, be back in a couple weeks to check back.
I think the School everyone associated with as most schools has a Sickness, woke + bully lovers, ... and they have unlimited OUR MONEY.
It’s unfortunate that the evidence of Ethan killing the birds (and keeping a head in a jar) is being kept out. This kid was terribly neglected. Things may have been completely different had the parents listened to their son and got him the help that he needed. And the purchase and access to a gun! Reckless! I agree with the prosecution of the parents.
I honestly don't understand why that's inadmissible or irrelevant? He had so many warning signs that even the most oblivious parent would have picked up on. The evidence he was torturing and killing animals, a huge future murderer red flag, being kept out is really perplexing as it strongly demonstrates that his aberrant behavior went far beyond the realm of thought crimes.
I was surprised about that as well. However, the mom said something to the effect of her taking his texts (the ones saying that he's hearing and seeing things, etc.) as a joke. I'm not perfect by any means. That really bothered me, though.
whooaa, that's the first im hearing of that! 😬 when did that happen? they definitely knew he was disturbed. my god.
@nonfungiblemushroom It was probably not allowed because they can't prove the parents found the corpses or saw the videos of him torturing and killing them.
@@ang_roHe recorded himself killing and torturing animals and making molotov cocktails, but they may have been so neglectful and checked out they genuinely did not know what he did while they were at the barn or out drinking.
This defense lawyer is ridiculous.
Perhaps this is the plan, if she is found guilty, it can be said she had ineffective counsel and have a new trial.
Perhaps this is the plan, if she is found guilty, it can be said she had ineffective counsel and have a new trial.
@@axemangang1584 - NO attorney wants to be accused of ineffective counsel. She simply is not professional nor acts like an adult.
How so? A defense attorney has every incentive to zealously advocate for their client. In other words, they can lose their right to practice law if they’re highly incompetent. Not only do they lose their job, they lose their ability to be hired elsewhere. Sometimes they’re dealt a very difficult (or impossible) hand and laypersons misconstrue their arguments for their personal beliefs. She’s doing her job. What’s ridiculous about it? I eagerly await your answer.
@@euphegenia😂😂😂 sit down 🪑
The parents should have admitted to the school at that meeting that they bought him a gun and he could have access to it or at least checked it's whereabouts when the school sent the drawing to the mother? Their denial of their son's mental health issues caused this tragedy.
It's not denial, it's disinterest. They cared more about their horses
They couldn't be bothered...
The gun purchase is why she freaked out. Notice comments to people who she contacted, gun was secure. But did she know? Like for real? Maybe didn’t care to know? No one knows but her,
@@ShoeChic5441I agree that it’s disinterest. Many parents might be in denial about their kids when those kids have something going on, but they still care
They wanted him to have that gun and use it on himself. I guess they got more than they bargained for…
If I were Jennifer Crumbley, with that defense attorney, I’d be VERY worried!
I was thinking the very same thing!!
Some parents are truly victims themselves but Ethan was begging for help and attention but his mother was incredibly selfish. She spent more time with her horses than her son.
He was into demonic activity via Ouija board. What do you do with that? It's not a psychological problem, but a demonic one.
Defense attorney didn’t score any points through this witness. Very ineffective
Really! It was pointless - and she glad to be corrected by witness on dates - AWKWARD
Defence attorney working hard for an ineffective council argument on appeal. Getting dates wrong, and can't make an objection she is arguing in front of the jury on every occasion the judge is awful too
She was that concerned about that drawing how come she didn't immediately get on the phone with her husband and say listen make sure that gun is locked up we got to go to the school together to make sure that he doesn't have that gun she wasn't too concerned about p now she's trying to she's trying to step away and say it was her husband's job to lock up the gun it's both of your as as parents you never go out and buy a 15 year old a six hour f****** 9 mm you gave him free access to it it's their responsibility to take it's the parents responsibility of being in charge of that firearm arm
*Sig Sauer
Shannon Smith, Crumbley's attorney, seems out of her depth.
It appears that, like a 2- dimensional sheet of paper, this dingdong defense attorney has no depth..
Way way out
She just makes points non stop for the state
It's sad they know she can't afford an attorney so they assign an incompetent person .
@@therealz360z7 she paid for her
Ny selling home
@@therealz360z7Ethan got a public defender… Jennifer is paying for her attorney. She also defended Larry Nassar, I’m assuming she isn’t cheap. To me, it just shows she once again her own interests outweigh those of her sons.
It’s like the parents wanted their son to kill himself. Not do a school shooting, just himself. Sad.
the parents were doing everything they could to help their son kill himself by buying him agun.
That would probably mean they are not guilty of this crime then.
@@coreyh5989 , well it didn’t go as planned, but seems they planned a killing.
That's exactly what I thought
Wow she locked him out of the house while it was cold outside! Mother of year award goes to...........
So sad for the son - he must have felt so abandoned.
That’s not what was said.
@@KristyOsborne-xm2bp would you be willing to share what was said?
Wow that does not make her a bad parent that just says she has had enough and she was teaching him a lesson , maybe he walked out and she said if you walk out that door your not coming back in maybe you don’t have teenage kids to understand
@@Queenme1978and we can tell you are projecting your own terrible parenting onto the situation. Get over yourself! There is NO reasoning or discipline in this situation, the kid was having hallucinations and breakdowns on the regular, he has schizophrenia and was probably in psychosis. The only thing to do in that situation is call the police/take him to the hospital. You are literally justifying abuse of a mentally ill person to make yourself feel better. I feel bad for your kids. Maybe if you had treated them with basic human respect from day 1 they wouldn’t have grown into such resentful people. Treating your kid like PROPERTY that you OWN is abusive, kids are human beings and you can’t just kick a dependent out of their home, just because they won’t submit to your abusive, controlling demands.
Such a bad mother.
Look imma HUGE 2A GUY......but this cpl here.......smh.....with a kid u knew had mental problems ur way of helping him was buying him a gun n allowing total unsupervised access to said weapon. I can't argue that for u. Fact is is idiots who were more worried about urselves then ur kid. My kids havnt shown any issues with mental illness over their lives....I still never allowed that access to weapons unsupervised.
The fact is they're kids. Supervison is part of being a kid n when weapons are involved u would have to be a moron to let this happen. N one could argue u didn't just let it happen u were in fact the catalyst.. if u wanted to help ur kid maybe spend time with him. Listen to him. Get him anything to help him. .....n tgat thing should've never been a free use weapon. Tgese ppl make responsible owners all look bad.
Buy a safe
Lock up dangerous things.
N if ur going to teach or allow a child access it is under supervision at all times. This isn't rocket science it is common sense.
I’m a huge supporter of 2A BUT knowing he can’t possess a handgun till he is 21 WHY THE HELL BUY HIM ONE and not even have it locked up. I have an underage daughter and our guns are locked where she can’t get to it!!!!!
The defense trying to score points from a casual co-worker is not a good strategy. Find solid evidence and present that evidence.
They don’t have to preset anything, the state does and thus far hasn’t proven anything & have no evidence.
What evidence?
This defense attorney sucks. I mean, she's horrible.
The school should be on trial just as much because they should have suspended the kid and made him go home!
Well if you heard the testimony that the rest of the world heard; you’d know why he wasn’t suspended.
I thought the same thing at one time but after finding out more about the case, there were so many things they didn't know. They didn't know he had a gun, had access to it and ammunition. They didn't know everything that was going on at home or that he was having hallucinations and had asked his parents for help. Plus they thought it was better for him to be at school than sent home alone because I believe they thought he might harm himself. Lots of things could have gone differently and this would have never happened, and blame can be pointed at a lot of places, but I think the school did the best they could with the information they had. Still, I'm sure there will be civil cases filed against the school.
For me, it is simply….you didn’t lock the gun up! There lies the negligence. Yes, he has mental problems. Yes, the school should have insisted that he go home. But #1, the gun should have been locked up! Period.
Number one rule: Don't get into the lives of crazy co workers. Don't engage with their crazy. Friends or friendly at work is not being a friend. She gave her co worker good common sense advice like most people would. The Crumbley's are a very dysfunctional family, not a healthy atmosphere to bring up a child. Why do people like this have children?
According to Jennifer, Ethan was an “opsie” baby. So, they never wanted kids. That came out somewhere in the testimony I watched.
@@janicearthur1279interesting. So if she had chose the responsible option of abortion, 4 innocent lives would have been saved. 5 if you include the person that has probably never had a good day in his life (Ethan) and never will now he’s got life in prison. OR she could have put him up for adoption. OR been responsible to begin with by getting sterilized. I have to wonder how many horrific crimes are traced directly back to irresponsible reproduction… not gonna get any better now that roe v wade is gone. The naive do not realize that some lives are better off never existing to begin with.
@@janicearthur1279 yes she told the owner of the Barn where her horses were stabled that Ethan was weird and an "oopsie" baby. I have heard nothing throughout this trial to show she cared about him.
Damn Jennifer was telling everyone her private business! Her friends, her bf, all her coworkers, her mom friends, like everyBODY she even shared the pic her drew like messaged it to people.
I remember when I would hear my mom talking about me on the phone to my grandma or aunt or anyone just regular stuff not even my personal business, I would be so offended! I just felt like it was an invasion of privacy. Like mom, your friends your own business not mine.
Now as a mom, I talk about myself only and never my husband or kids business. Esp him being 15, he’s a teenager I can see how this would be annoying as hell!!!!!
If you lock your teenager out of the house…. You are a big part of the problem. We all expect teens to be dramatic from time to time, but parents should not be. You’re the adult. Get control of yourself… A big sign of the selfishness of this parent.
Why is the defense attorney allowed to state FOR the witness, what happened, and THEN ask “is this correct”!
Cross examination= can ask leading questions
@@ryanfraser167..I never knew that. Thanks.
@@ryanfraser167 Yeah, but it’s SO annoying, isn’t it? It’s like she’s telling the story and making somebody worship her by saying correct, lol, instead of letting them speak. I was glad the coworker broke away from that a few times.
I heard SHE LOCKED HIM OUT 1st from co worker
The defense attorney badgers the witnesses.
We have all be teenagers so we know something about how they can feel. They definitely still need the attention and guidance from their parents. So it would be disturbing to see what kind of drawings the son made. Any normal person would understand this kid needed help. Normal people.
The attorney just parrots the questions and never makes any points. Such a poor defense.
I disagree that it’s a poor defence as a fellow attorney. Jennifer is charged with involuntary manslaughter, not commission of murder. She isn’t there to paint Jennifer as a good person nor as a good mother. She’s simply there to pose the question to jurors whether someone who is so invested in their work and is busy with their own things (horses, marriage breakdown…) could reasonably have been expected to know in advance that their son was going to kill other people with a gun. It may be an assumed conclusion for observers in hindsight, but Ms. Smith is there to suggest that whatever actions Jennifer took - or didn’t take - are not tantamount to manslaughter. Jennifer isn’t on trial for being selfish, arrogant, indifferent or lazy. The defence attorney is isolating her client in terms of getting the jury to like her as a person, but disliking someone doesn’t mean they had foreknowledge of what someone else they weren’t really paying attention to would go ahead and do. Whether she _should_ have been paying more attention to her son (which we all agree she should) isn’t the question here. The question is whether her negligence is equivalent to manslaughter.
@@Ad-LoWell said.
@@Ad-LoI think you may have been a better choice to defend her than this defense attorney. Well put.
Freaking attorneys with their dates and times instead of just giving approximates when it's not an important matter - you know, over every little detail. Juries must get tired of that.
If all this testimony does do anything at all it should be a wake up call to parents! Kids need your supervision, appropriate attention and love/ concern for abherrant behavior.
Their mental health IS your responsibility while they are living in your home. If your child harms others someone has to be held accountable because they are minors.
Anything less is criminal negligence.
Yes most people agree they should be charged with neglect but not manslaughter If we find them guilty of manslaughter then we have to charge every parent that there child unalived themselves with a gun. Neglect Yes manslaughter No. We are going down a Slippery slop. Let's charge every parent that has a daughter that got pregnant or a son that got a girl pregnant. Because they were neglectful they didn't know where there child was every second of every day. We could have 100 thousand parents in jail for neglect. I have never seen a parent of a violent gang member getting charged with there crimes!!!
i am american but i live in siegen, germany..here in germany a minor is not criminally responsible under 14 years of age. no matter what crime was commited. if a 12 year old goes into a school here and shoot and kill 10 people. nothing will be done...they will not face the courts. that does not mean there will not be consquences. the social services will probably get involved..instead of punishing them...try to rehabiliate them. i disagree with that law 100 percent. it is pretty much telling kids..oh you are only kids..do what the hell you want to. one of my co workers son is 12 years old...several weeks ago he beat the hell out of another kid and the police was called..the boy had to be taken to the hospital...what does the boy say? you cannot do anything to me i am only 12 years old. just last year in march 2023...a 12 and 13 year old girl stabbed and killed another 12 year old girl..they were fighting over a boy.. no one will be prosecuted for the murder because of their age...google...murder in freudenberg, germany march 2023 and you can read it yourself.
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I remember this case. I think the parents failed their son
I think all parents are felling all kids buy allowing them believe they can anything like nothing matters
She is making this clear, ‘I was Not friends with this crazy woman’. And also, what is an “open!shooter”????
The type of attorney to litter the roadway with 99 dollar divorce billboards
She probably should look into that. She's completely ineffective as a defense attorney....
The district attorney called her to to testify
Who called her to testify?
Good question...I'm pretty sure the prosecution. She strikes me as biased against the defendant.
It’s prosecution presenting evidence first so they called her.
@@JimB16Probably didn't like her
@@petergriffin383Good parents tend to not care for bad parenting a great deal!
@@JimB16Good parent's tend to have some measure of contempt for bad parenting & neglect of a minor!
Why did the Prosecutor call this witness? She doesn’t remember anything! What value does her testimony add?!
Jennifer’s odd take on parenting, observation on her behavior, and definitely to get in locking him out of house ,.
It's pretty simple really, Ethan was under age so therefore the parents are responsible. Move on to deliberations.....
The witness may not have a teenage child of her own, but she *has been* a teenager herself. And that’s the relevant perspective.
The defense lawyer seems to be as devoid of empathy as her client is.
Our Justice system is so corrupt.
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How does that apply to this case?
I'm at the beginning, so I have to ask: Is there value in her testimony sometime in the future??
Defending attorney drives me nuts - makes witness repeat everything they’ve already said on questioning by prosecutor - seen this repeatedly
It's interesting that Jennifer said to her coworker "I feel like I'm a failure as a parent," instead of "the counselor told me that my son is likely suicidal so I decided to leave him at school." I guess the latter would not have garnered much sympathy for her.
This is a horrific and tragic story on so many levels with untreated mental illness front and center. My deepest sympathy to the families of the students lost during this tragedy. I pray that all affected get suppport and/or treatment . It is difficult to imagine or comprehend the magnitude of this incident. I pray that we as a society learn from this so that the deaths of these four students will not be in vain. 🙏
Do you know how many men play golf? Do you know that the violent crimes committed by teens could have been prevented - if Dad hadn't spent family money on golf? Why didn't dad take their child with them to play golf? As if the crime itself would have been avoided if Jr just went to golf with dad...Jennifer is guilty of putting a firearm in the hands of a minor- resulting in death. Period.
Well, if he is spending the equivalent of six evenings a week ignoring his child with mental health problems, who is requesting help and wants to go to a doctor but isn’t taken, while spending $20,000 a year on his hobby, and then buys him a gun……. And does not not even take him with him when he writes and draws serious signs of problems, at the least indicating thoughts or plans of suicide…..
Would you have done that with your child? Wouldn’t you want a parent who was that negligent charged if their child killed yours? (Heaven forbid)
Why she being so mean!
Defense lawyer- DING
Why would this young girl have ANY advice !!! It seems like their ALL AGAINST this women,in hein site !! THEY are all wicked !!!
My impression is they never love their son to begin with. They are all about themselves. The way Jennifer texted her workplace sounds like their son was an inconvenience to them. Watching their son’s mental meltdown videos were extremely distraught. His parents FAILED him.
It is truly so sad. Tremendous neglect. The kid at Sandy Hook sounds similar. Mom ignored him and bought him a gun when he was lonely and depressed. WTF? Do parents not see the news?
Defence lawyer is brutal.
brutally pitiful she is
She is rude
This is an awful. This case is the first of its kind. I feel we are going to see this go to appeal if found guilty. The attorney sounds inexperienced and should be getting help from a more seasoned defense lawyer.
She chose that attorney herself. That’s not a public defender.
Indeed this case will be appealed every which way til Christmas. Prolly should be, given guilty verdict plows new legal ground re: parenting.
Even if she was innocent she would have went to jail with this crazy lawyer.
Crumbley's lawyer is absolutely terrible and mostly because she's so annoying and off putting. she does nothing to engage with the witnesses except to be a contrarian. Her affect is not helpful to anyone. AnnoyIng AF.
OMG!, I have no words about that person attempting to defend this shooter mother!...🙄
This lies the deepest fear is something in ur presence with no help
Can you folks at 4 PLEASE do something about the audio?
The media has their mics far from speakers and the acoustics in this courtroom is not good. The courts are not set up for you-tubers.
@@Asidebarit has nothing to do with CZcams. If a court decides to televise a trial they should have good quality mics. These are made for TV not for CZcams.
24:43 It is crazy how these witnesses testimonies take on such a different slant now that they have participated in Ethan's trial, seen and thought about the terrible anguish of the families of the deceased children and had the experience of town and national gossip and opinions for a few years. I think the defense lawyer is good to bring this up and point it out, but she let's the witnesses just ramble on trying to justify themselves rather than just get yeses, nos, correct or incorrect.
Attorney Shannon Smith has to be commended for her efforts to provide legal representation to the defendant in this challenging case! Most of the witnesses?????
They're scared of a drawing but most of the population have weapons.
Crazy gun culture.
I wonder if she could have refuse to testify
I think a subpoena is a subpoena, she probably had to.
Another word for sarcastic may be “Flippant” not showing a serious or respectful attitude. Mother comes of as flippant to me.
The defence lawyer is the dumbest lawyer. She can't get dates right or ask questions right. She is not prepared and then wines about it.
Is the Defense attorney really trying to vilify this woman for suggesting a mom should spend time her son instead of locking him out of the house? 🤣 what a take.
Wonder why defense attorney has no attorney help, who owns her law firm?
Don't know why my comment got deleted. Defense attorney owns her own firm, sole practitioner.
She needs to hire a paralegal or two instead of complaining about how she can't get through all of the evidence in time for the trial
The villain this defense attorney just made herself is RIDICULOUS!!! She was annoying before but I didn’t factor that in. The parent conversation……..They may as well just stop the trial now instead of wasting money with reckless abandon. I hate her and I’m done.
Bad audio. Bye.
I thought they weren't suppose to say his name???
He was locked out of, she does not have any idea how or why he could of forgot his keys does not testify that the mother locked him out ,
Wow, near the end when the prosecutor is asking for clarification on a few previous questions, the defense objects and objects objects, after SHE just spent so much time asking her the same questions that she JUST testified to minutes before that??? I was going to ask what that was about, my responses would’ve been “just as I just said”. Do you think the defense accomplished anything with her questions?
She accomplished annoying the F out of everyone.
What a hack! Who is paying for the defense? She sucks.
Basically she was a secretary.
Ok….. the witness has to correct the defense attorney!!! This is a defense circus.
Good grief what a waste of time this was .
Defense lawyer is rude
This witness is either 12 or 42.
The Amanda attorney - I think she is smart but not effective in getting her point across. It’s like she has just restated things and everyone is left to try to figure out what is the meaning. H E L L O⁉️
Simple character assassination. What stories coukd your co workers tell or embellish against you??
the kid resorted to drawing pictures for them and it didn't help.
let that sink in.
"do you want me to draw a picture for you?!"
No one has the mutant ability to predict what someone else is going to do . That would require telekinesis telepathy and precognition . Even professed x of the X-men can’t predict the figure and he’s one of the most powerful mind reading mutants ever
Professor X is also make believe lol it’s crazy you brought up a fantasy character and compare to a real life crime
Everyone failed in this tragedy. The school should of have the officer come into the meeting and question Ethan, searched him. Even if he did not have the gun they should of have escorted him off of school property and told the parents that he needed to go within 48 hrs for treatment.
Especially with the kind of behavior he was demonstrating.
These parents that leave firearms out in the open and not secured is disgusting. The innocent victims and the destruction of that day could have been stopped.
Her co workers sure didn’t ask much lol it be me I be like asking questions because she locked him the house never mentioned him only to talk bad about him saying he’s weird I don’t no but many parents who don’t talk a lot about her child co workers need to be more alert
It crazy how many ppl thought the picture wasn’t right but mom
Jennifer looks about 40 lbs heavier than when she was arrested. Prison food I suspect.
Depression, life has been destroyed, her kid is going to prison for life…I mean I could keep going on?
Maybe psych drugs/anitdepressants too
More like 100 lbs. No Adderall in jail.
correcT💦
Her lawyer is very good , she is just choosing not to do her job ! Look up when she wanted to have case dismissed, she stood her ground well , although obviously they denied dismissal, thus defense attorney is just given up , not getting her dismissal. No passion for her job $$$$$$
Her attitude is outrageous. She is in the GENERATION OF MASS SHOOTINGS. 😢Duh!!!!! She so " not involved, not caring" like an old bar of soap.
Wow she is such a bad mother she locked her son out the house cause they had a argument ,you are all such perfect parents and have never argued or fought with your children before GIVE ME A BREAK you people are not perfect
Defense counsel seems to be making some good points with the witnesses. Such a tragedy...but an interesting and precedent setting case...
What points?
Points for the defense or prosecutors?