Presup Apologist - Excuse Me Sir! I Want to Trick You & Make You Appear Rude Talk Heathen 03.04
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- Talk Heathen 03.04 for January 27, 2019 with Eric Murphy & Hector Garcia.
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"whole lot of atheist trolls ..."
The irony.
Agree
Yeah...For someone who would massacre atheists if given the chance and watch with glee them frying in Hell, the caller surely is quick to yell persecution.
It's absolutely AMAZING that he can't figure out why the atheists "troll" him.
Yeah, it is called projection.
Caller: An idiot pretending to be a genius
This caller has a really deep voice for a 7-year-old.
Thanks for the milk up my nose lol.
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Dementia senilis praecox...
no. Oh wow best comment yet!!😂💜
That's what his priest told him also!
"Would you mind clarifying..."
"AM I BEING DETAINED?!?!?!"
I could almost believe this caller is a Sovereign Citizen...
This made me actually laugh out loud.
I nearly choked on tea...
Thanks for the near death experience, guess I'll go be a presup now.
aenn aenn lmao 😂
i dont usually comment but fuck that was a good one man lol
Don’t you just love when theists say they’re being pressured by atheists. Imagine an atheist calling a religious talk show and talking like this.
Imagine actually watching a show like this on a regular basis. The same crap over and over. Sky daddy , god of the gaps, lunacy
"Put down the script and listen" Literally every Christian should hear that sentence.
Here's a better sentence : "Shut your fucking cakehole !"
Just the presuppers :p
@@andreaskarlsson5251 Nah, all the flavors have their own script. I’d see ESPECIALLY the non-presups.
By that logic@@terryjones573, you too have a script.
@@andreaskarlsson5251 I know I'm necro'ing an old thread, but 6 months with no validation, no response whatsoever, after attempting a witty comeback? Aww. Here, I'll explain why your "no you" didn't have the impact you intended it to.
I think the "script" he's referring to is dogmatism, specifically They don't just mean a literal script, though it often is. They're clearly referencing the set of all _Christians as the people who need to put down the script,_ not the set of all _people._ "That logic" would only imply he has a script IF he was a "flavor of Christian." The argument you replied to is essentially this:
P1: Dogma is inherent to the definition of Christianity
P2: People who utilize dogma should hear the phrase "put down the script and listen."
Q: Christians should hear the phrase "put down the script and listen."
If @terryjones573 isn't a Christian, how's he fit into that if-P-then-Q? Your assertion that "by that logic" he too has a script is therefore a *_non sequitur_* because the conclusion does not logically follow from the premise.
I find it hard to imagine that you disagree with P1 (it's definitional) or P2 (even every theist thinks every other kind of theist's dogma is problematic), therefore I'll assume unless you state otherwise that you agree with Q. Did you actually have a point, or was that just a childish "no you?" Just curious. I know I'm necro'ing an old thread, but I'm curious and do actually hope this is a teachable moment.
If you need clarification on any of these points, feel free to ask. I don't mind teaching. I think it's a crying shame that basic logic classes aren't mandatory in grade school in the US. The nice thing is, it's never too late to learn logic.
“Here is my argument”
“What does that mean?”
“Stop interrupting me”
Chris T thats literally all that happened!
Dude jesus I thought I was short on manners and listened 3xs
before I was irritated
Chris T Haha that’s all atheists can do though, interrupt.
Intellectual bot: yours is a strange choice as a nom de guerre. The first part of it is patently nonsense, as shown by your siding with the egregious Gary Milne, someone whose life and "career" have been shown by many people on here to be a succession of dismal failures: as businessman, husband and family man.
Now he is claiming to be some kind of intellectual, by copying and pasting a load of presuppositional apologist bollocks and then insisting he be allowed to recite it verbatim on call-in shows.
The reason he gets so worked up when hosts ask him questions is simply fear - he doesn't actually understand the philosophobabble he's trying to recite, knows he can't explain or clarify it, and would therefore look an even bigger bloody idiot if he tried.
In effect he's trying to hide behind impressive-sounding words that he is quite obviously unable to define. Knock him off his script and he just falls apart.
Another failure to add to his growing list...
He is not, I would gently advise, someone with whom it would be wise to continue to associate yourself.
I have to interrupt people all the time I support for computer/tech issues. If anyone would like an example I have one in recent memory about someone not understanding Offline and Online files, what syncing means, and how Microsoft OneDrive works.
It's not that I don't want to hear what they say, but it's the thing about correcting how they have it incorrect and are trying to tell me how they believe/think it works, even though it they aren't correct I can see their thought process. However, why would they need my tech knowledge and support if they had it right in the first place? Thankfully I support people that know I'm here to help, and diffuse confusion.
Whereas talk Heathen has to deal with people trying to convince them of unverifiable things.
In short, "let me call this tech person to fix the problem I cannot fix, by doing exactly what I did because I'm correct but somehow make it work this time".
If you knew how it really worked you wouldn't have needed my experience and help in the first place.
Also, the talking past one another as Eric mentioned is VERY COMMON, but I've gotten quite good with analogies to explain concepts to people with more or less knowledge on topics. I'm essentially a tech translator every day.
Guy sounds like a 12-year-old not getting his way. Complete troll.
He's not, he's Darth dawkins.
I'd have hung up on him early in the call. His only purpose was to be argumentative and rude.
gjn jjbgjmg
His name is Gary Milne.
He’s a textbook example of Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.
I WANNA ASK MY QUESTION! I WANNA TALK! YOU WONT LET ME TAAAAAALK!!!
I honestly thought his mother was gonna get on the phone next and say it was his nap time
to be fair eric sucks ass at his job
"I wanna eat my pudding!"
"When you finish your peas, you can get your pudding!"
"I WANNA EAT MY PUDDING! CAN I EAT MY PUDDING NOW?"
"Once you finish your peas, yes, I will let you eat your pudding. So, open your mouth and---"
"CAN I EAT MY PUDDING NOW?????????"
...oh, Gary.
ahahahhahaha
its peas.... you actually force feed a CHILD food they do not want to eat?
@@Xarai I actually don't feed children at all, since I have none. But that was not the point...
This is was a good way to explain this guy.
@@Xarai that's called parenting.
If you only fed your child what they wanted to eat, they'd eat nothing but chocolate and chicken nuggets.
Make them eat their greens you putz.
Wow I've never seen Eric lay down the smack before. That's the kindest ass kicking I've ever heard. Impressive.
Angry Eric is glorious.
Lol! I know sometimes I just want to call in and play devils advocate just to see what happens
Well, this is not ass kicking, as demolishing somebodys shouting mouth and wild ass assertions with logic.
Oh god no! Logic! The god of atheists!
@@Rapier2012 You know it's real when he takes off the jacket.
As for a presupposition, it's nothing but a fancy word for "empty assertion" and Hitchens' Razor should always apply
@@MrPedros1989 Atheists do not have a god they worship.
He just doesn’t like it when someone else makes him explain his definitions because it makes him sound like an idiot and he knows it. He’s extremely arrogant and totally disrespectful.
Michael Dube it sounds like he doesn’t like to explain his assertions because he doesn’t have any explanation, he just reads from his script without ever having reasoned it out.
Michael Dube he just wants to run his script and lead you to his conclusion. He’s a very dishonest debater because he doesn’t want to debate, he wants to talk uninterrupted and control the conversation.
Recognized DD's distinctive voice right away. And his tell, complaining about "stalkers".
"Unconditionally non-dependent". Cool words. I got a couple, exceptionally obtuse.
Legend has it that he's still asking if he can ask his question
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In solitary confinment
That’s so funny!!
He is. Just look up his nick name Darth Dawkins. He has one pich, and can only deliver it as a steam roll.
Its been 2 yrs😂
"Don't interrupt me whilst I try to trick you with silly word games!"
philosopher theists are like shit Jedi's, trying to philosophize their gods into existence since there's no physical evidence that any of their religious beliefs are true. Hence, word games.
His "how dare you attempt to reply to my garbage" schtick is common to each of his calls. That's why he won't call The Atheist Experience. Talk Heathen is the B squad at best, TAE is the A squad (at least when Dillahunt, Peoples or Harris is on) and they won't tolerate that.
Lets be honest! Its not a silly word game. Atheistic worldviews are not perfect and the presupp apologetic exposes it. Get over it.
@@ChessArmyCommander there's equal evidence for Peter Pan and Neverland as there is for God and Heaven
@@zenon3021 I hear you and I respect your position. As a theist also.
This guy is incredible. He starts blitzing into his script then starts trying to scream over the top when they try to ask a question. Eric is the most patient human I've ever witnessed, and this guy keeps screaming how rude Eric is. All the time he's being unbelievably rude the whole f'ing time.
Because Darth Dawkins is without any doubt a worth less than shit and hot garbage combined, scumbag and asshole. DD deserves no honest conversation because he does not give any to anyone else. That waste of sperm+ egg is useless to talk to. You'll get further in a conversation talking to a brick wall than that p$%k.
This is classic! Eric gives Darth a spanking. I've seen this before but I decided to watch it again. 😂
Unconditionally nondependent = Imaginary
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Yessss
AKA: Bullshit but give me some money
@@mrleos450 he’s attempting to argue that you need a metaphysical foundation for the reality in which you live, or else facts are not contingent on an ultimate reality and therefore your reality is meaningless.
It’s mental masturbation which sounds convincing to the sophists (very funny because DD accuses others of sophistry persistently).
@@Aisatsana1971 Yes, although it doesn't work as an argument for God or against atheism because an atheist can just assert that they are a presuppositional atheist who hold something that isn't God as the foundation (eg. logic or human experience validated against others experience). Then the whole conversation is at an impasse.
EVERY TIME HE GETS TAKEN OFF OF HOLD:
"Are you gonna let me finish my point before interupting me?/who's being dishonest now?/can you stop interupting me?"
Eric: I'm trying to have a conversation, I'm not going to let you read a script to me, that's not how this works.
What a passive aggressive douchebag.
He's identical to the last time he called. This time was way more satisfying because they didn't let him just rapid-fire questions at the host The last time they actually tried to answer the questions and it was just a disaster.
Ooh which call was that? The episode, the hosts, the title of the video?
I imagine a little boy with an old man's head, stomping his feet, shaking his fists, and yelling "I wanna ask my question!!"
"Who's being dishonest here Eric?"
Well, EF, you are being dishonest here.
Darth Dawkins uses a lot of words to say "you can't disprove God, therefore God exists."
To be fair, no one can "prove" God (as defined as an all powerful being outside the universe) does not exist. That's the whole point of Gary's (EF, DD, et. al.) argument. What he fails to acknowledge is that "not being able to disprove the existence of God does not, therefore, prove the existence of God, and he avoids this like the plague. Instead, he tries to dominate the conversation and pin the conversation (if you can call any discourse with him, 'a conversation') unto his opponent's beliefs or lack there of.
@@valkyriefrost5301 technically we can use logic and reasoning to disprove the existence of the Judeo-Christian good, and in a broader sense the good of all Abrahamic and related religions, by making observation of the characteristics and claims made by the religious scripts, texts, and practices of the associated religion. For example geology and biology both disprove the event known as Noah's flood, meaning that the branches of Christianity that take the English translation as the true translation of the biblical word that give a literal global flood and make the claim that the Bible is the inerrant word of God are proven untrue.
@@lazyh-online4839 - I agree that any defined God depicted in human scriptures does not exist. But, I was not talking about the Judeo-Christian God.
Simply put, a being could exist outside the cosmos and we would never be able to disprove it. Nor, could we actually prove it's existence without direct interaction with such a being. Even then, we could never be 100% certain that such a claim is an actual God, and not simply a vastly superior intellect claiming to exist outside our reality.
In this context, DD simply asserts that HIS god (JC God) is the one true GOD, blah, blah, blah, and never provides substance or evidence for his assertions. He's al about turning, twisting, and bullying.
@@valkyriefrost5301 ok, I agree and appreciate the clarification. Thank you.
How exactly would you define a god, either as a being or as a species? It seems like there are many potential life forms or entities that could be called such but it depends on exactly what label you want to put on them. I'm just curious about what the word God means in your definition, I know you said all powerful in your previous post but omnipotence is a complex trait depending upon what style of omnipotence you're referring to.
@@lazyh-online4839 - God(s) in the classical sense is a being or pantheon of beings responsible for the creation of the world and everything contained within, including good and evil. The God, in monotheistic terms, is the new God that people believe transcends the world (~1300) or the universe (~1800) and is responsible for everything contained within, including good and evil.
The one thing most all religions hold dear is the belief that their God is all powerful and all knowing and that this God will/does intervene in the daily life of us mere mortals.
I find the concept of the monotheistic God to be be nothing more than a retread of the gods of old, a 'God of the Gaps' and a "source" for people's incessant desire for immortality.
As Arthur C. Clarke once said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
It follows then that, any sufficiently advanced race or being that could reach an advanced stage of evolution and technology could, should they wish to appear as such, become indistinguishable from a God in our eyes.
This guy is a bigger troll than any of the trolls he complains about
WHEN THIS GUY SAYS "ATHEIST TROLLS ON THE INTERNET," HE'S REFERRING TO HIMSELF AND HIS ILK, *THOSE ON THE INTERNET WHO TROLL ATHEISTS*
This is the type of guy who would resort to violence if questioned in person.
Every single time i've ever heard Darth Dawkins / Evolution False / Gary Milne on a show, it goes EXACTLY the same way as this. Gary hates when people try to disagree with him. He rudely interrupts people dozens and dozens of times in every hangout, and then constantly complains when people interrupt HIM to challenge him, or turn it from his angry diatribe into an actual conversation. His hypocrisy eclipses even G-Man. Please do NOT have him on again.
Man, it's so hard to ask your "gotcha" question when the host keeps on pulling you back and forcing you to properly define your terms :D
Yeah, it was painfully obvious that's what his motive was. So when he wasn't getting his way his only recourse was to argue that the hosts were being rude.
I know, right, fucking smart people, they're such a problem for presupp douchetard!
What's funny is that if Eric asked these questions after the apologetic finished his question he would say that it's a Tu quoque fallacy, just as Sye does or any other pressupositional.
@@Ricardo7250 Is that the one where he says 'how do you know what you know is true?'
@@crisofer954 Yes, if the atheist decides to talk about the fact that the presup is being dishonest and isn't demonstrating anything, he will say it's Tu Quoque.
Presups can't have honest conversations. It's their entire platform.
*their
@@zenon3021 oops. Thanks.
”Theres no breaking me down!”
I agree. You came in a pile of rubble and you left a pile if rubble. Already broken.
Love how Eric takes off his jacket and rolls up his sleeves 😂
3:21
That was the moment you knew things were gettin' good.
What a childish reaction. He gets so upset over interuptions you'd think he's grown up constantly being cut off, and therefor is very sensitive toward it.
He is the most dishonest, rude, manipulative, and deluded Christian I've ever heard and all he wants is to prove that he's right about whatever misguided idea he has about Atheists.
just to add to your suggestion - as well as wanting to prove he's right, he's even more invested in having an experience of feeling that everyone else is WRONG. The father who beat him, the mother who pretended she didn't see, the kids at school who bullied him.....there is a deep rage driving him
@@shinywarm6906 Darth would be a fascinating case study for a psychologist. I suggest Shannon Q.
@@steveanton763 they actually did a debate a couple of years ago. Shannon did awesome she did not fall for any of his b*******or get baited into his script. And she was only ask to do the debate like 3 hours in advance
Welcome to the demented "darth dawkins". Real name gary milne. He dwells in a strange (and disturbing) pond.
@@shinywarm6906the kids at school who bullied him-AT THE CAFETERIA TABLE.
This is all canon.
Go Heathens! Darth Dawkins, gaslighting, misdirecting bully. Heathens dealt with him beautifully here.
When I first heard of this caller it was from this video. I spent the past year off and on looking up his debates, arguments, and discussions...NOW I know why the people in the background were having a party when Eric demolished the callers position. Lol
Circular Reasonng:
"Let me define a thing."
"OK. Can you show us anything that demonstrates this defined thing can exist?"
"Sure. The defined thing."
If you just let me introduce god in through a wacky definition, I can prove he exists. But don't you dare ask me any clarifying questions about my definition, or I'll get irate.
What's whacky about defining God as absolute? Like he said, Atheists do the same with the laws of logic and/or the universe itself (without proof).
So I guess Atheists can no longer do that and I'll irrationally interrupt and demand proof while they're giving the definitions for such things, BEFORE they have a chance to provide any argumentation for why they're absolute.
And I'll reject all argumentation they give, since I rejected their definition already.
Brilliant.
Or else we could ALL stop being deliberately contrarian and irrational... and realize that providing a working definition for a term is not the same thing as arguing that concept is ontologically real. You know, the way debates ACTUALLY work?
Instead of this contrarian BS you guys pull with you bicker over literally anything you can think of in the most illogical manner possible while thinking you've won by doing so?
Given the purpose of debating is to determine which side is more rational, you guys have already lost when you act like this... and you don't even recognize it.
How the caller was hoping this would go...
*EF:* "God is real. I know it, and so do you."
*Eric:* "Well actually I don't--"
*EF:* "EXCUSE ME, SIR! Can I get a word out before you rudely interrupt me!? I am trying to explain my position and you're cutting me off! Now, we know God is real because of we know the properties of God, and those properties are necessary to a contingent, trans-modal, self-verifying, extent continuum. There are three main aspects to God's existence, and they are as follows:
1) God is non-physical, non-temporal, non-conceptual, and is an internally-correcting metaphysical substrate of the Time Cube."
*Eric:* "Excuse me, what do you mean by--"
*EF:* "SIR! A rational gentleman is talking!!! Everyone can see I am trying to have a civil discussion, and you are trying to weasel out of the truth, playing little games. It's what you atheists always do. Now, IF I MAY BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE, SIR!
2) God cannot be perceived through our base, physical senses, but can be experienced in the pre-affirmed bifocus of the theoretical 9th Sense, or Divine Sense that we all possess and use.
3) God exists, and exists necessarily, because that is in his definition. One cannot deny this, as it is a self-defeating fallacy. It says God is real on his character sheet.
Now, you must answer this question if you want to remain logically consistent and honest: Do you hold any belief in that which is auto-conceived by reality?"
*Eric:* "I'm not sure what that means, but what do my personal beliefs have to do with whether God is real?"
*EF:* "Okay, dodging the question again I see! Good, I'M GLAD, everyone can see what a snake you are, avoiding the facts of reality, because you know you can't win a debate with a very stable genius! You have just proven your position is irrational, and it always was, because denying God is inherently irrational. You presuppose God. You have to."
*Eric:* "Wow, you got me. I was never an atheist at all, I was just lying to myself and to the world."
*EF:* "My big-brain logic prevails again, as it always does! Now I am the King of the Show!"
Youre little two man play, "My Life As An Internet Troll" made me laff my ass off. Thank you.
Fortunately for us reality is far different from his hopes.
F'n nailed it.
Lmao thanks for that, got a good laugh
Lovit!
If Gary Milne (aka Evolution is False, aka Darth Dakins, aka deadbeat dad) wanted his question answered so bad, he could just go upstairs and ask his mamma.
People like this make me so so unbelievably grateful to have left religion. Thanks Darth!
Listening to this guys dishonesty actually hurts me.
It hurts every reasonable person out here. I actually almost got something close to a headache, like, my head began to hurt a little.
He's an abusive narcissist. There's no point in having this conversation. They should have hung up on him right at the beginning
When EF says “my question” I think he really means “my script”...
Exactly
Love how they displayed his name as A DUDE rather than what he was try to set them up to display
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Asshat: Youre not going to let me finish my ---!?!
Eric: (beastmode) YOU CAN WAIT.
EF/Darth Dawkins is probably never going to read this, but come on man. If you make a ton lot of statements that the person you are talking to doesn't agree with or understand, the first step is to clarify what you mean. That is not being rude and interrupting. It's called having a conversation, you obviously skipped learning basic human interaction as a child.
Letting you move on to a question that's based on concepts we haven't established and is potentially nonsense (and cannot be honestly answered) is literally wasting time. I.E demanding a yes/no answer to a question where both sides aren't equivalent or mutually exclusive.
Everyone outside of your tiny fan-club sees right through your games, you're not winning or being clever, you're just showing off to your circlejerk buddies and being obnoxious by screaming foul as loud as you can and making a fool of yourself to everybody else.
Yes!
Wonderfully put!
Thank you for that! I thought it was DD withing 5 seconds of him saying words.
@@Catholictomherbert Meds, mate. Remember to take your meds.
@@twcnz3570 ive been fed up with these pranksters. Tired of there space lasers i need some coffee amidst Benzodiazepines
"Let me get out my word salad script!"
If I have to address the point I lose my gishgallop
Eric, you're my hero. Finally somebody pinned this dishonest logic chopper down and made him define his terms.
I really envy Erics patience.
He makes probably a really great father!
Hey everyone, I declare that I am unconditionally non-dependent. Prove me wrong!
Stop interrupting me! Can I ask my question?! You're so rude!
Can I be unconditionally non-dependent too? (Also, sorry for interrupting in case I interrupted)
@@1970Phoenix CAN YOU LET ME FINISH?! I HAVEN'T FINISHED MY QUESTION!
were you born? you are dependent. Do you act like a human in the world and reality influences your decisions? you are dependant.
I mean... lets at least not fall into caricatures of what he's saying...
Main Street Boxer, Of course it's dependent... My opinion is based on observation and reality
EF aka Gary Milne, a 50’something guy now lives with his mom since his family disowned him due to child abuse and infidelity.....great model Christian huh?
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Yeah, he is a great Christian. Why do you assume that Christians are good people? They are not.
@@veronicats100 - that's painting with a broad brush, bud. I'm agnostic but was raised in a Christian home and still have plenty of Christian friends, all of whom are absolutely top shelf people, as well as my folks who are two of the best people you could ever meet. There are lots of shitty people on every side.
@@krenwregget7667 Hes not living up to that standard therefore sarcasm....bud.
I mean....to think I was calling him a great person you must have been having a brain fart moment or something.
Caller: "Interrupting is rude!"
Caller: *repeatedly cuts hosts off in middle of sentence*
All I heard was "everyone look! He's oppressing me!" 😂
Matt would have ended that after the caller said, " I don't care if it's your show."
Matt would've ended it waaaaaaay before that
Matt would have played with the hold button a bit, featured a lot of fucks into the conversation, had fun exchanging fire with the caller, and then hung up with glee.
And seriously, that should be how they treat Darth fucking Dawkins.
Darth Dawkins, the worst 'debater' on youtube.
Um G-man?
Nephew of Richard Dawkins? LOL.
@@josephmoore5422 not sure you can call anything a debate when it comes to him
@@helmutkok7833 because there is nothing inherently wrong with owning another person, dudes crazy
@@JustLetMeRant No.... I.... Am your father.
I heard about this call from Darth's perspective and was under the impression that Eric had a "meltdown."
Not a chance, Eric handled this prick like a goddamned champ. Cool as a cucumber as always 😎
Oh yea darth always runs to his minions after he gets spanked and projects everything he did onto his target. He’s so mentally ill.
The guy plays the victim so well, he carries his own body outline chalk.
Lol no kidding 😂
EF has no intention of an honest conversation. He calls just to waste time.
That's what I was thinking. There was no purpose to his call other than being an asshole to people he doesn't like.
Yes he has stated he does this to keep others from learning the truth he says he will continue to waste their time for his God gave him this purpose I will search for where I heard him say it but he did agree he does this to stop atheist.
@@samsox69 As if some idiot arguing with atheists is going to make people stop being atheists. If anything, it's going to make Christians look like a bunch of argumentative, belligerent idiots.
He wants to give a sermon, not have a conversation. If you let him he’d talk for 20mins then end with anything except a question.
@@dx1450 He is an asshole to everyone
Eric, great job of staying polite while NOT letting this guy be a jerk to you.
Nice work on keeping the conversation on track, Eric.
Thank you so much for hanging up.
"now, can you not cut me off and rudely interrupt before I finish?"
"No."
... :D
Jesus H. Christ... He won't shut up about how you're cutting him off, and yet he interrupts you almost every single time you tried to talk. Projection maybe?
Not projection, strategy. Horribly dishonest strategy.
Ray Comfort does the same shit.
This 'you are rude, stop cutting me off' while cutting people off. That is literally his only trick.
He doesn't even really have a script, because he distracts himself from it by ranting about rudeness and being cut off.
Yeah, its because he can't support his claims, and he can't get off script.
this warms my heart after listening to this horrific rude arrogant person on many other debate channels. Talk Heathen i would love to buy you a round.
Clutching his pearls so hard he’s cutting himself off.
I see Darth Dawkins has voted on the video.
How lacking in self awareness is a guy like that calling anyone else rude?
Try to keep count of how many times DD interrupts the hosts and then insists on never, ever being interrupted himself. He's just a jacktard with one script.
This guy was going by "Darwin's Deity" a couple of years ago.
You can hear him here: czcams.com/video/1CoRQLZJd-k/video.html
He was just as big a douche back than as he is now.
All of his 114 amounts have voted 😂😂
@Master Exploder *accounts (obviously)
They don't know what to say once you pull them away from their script. Hard solipsism, worthless world view without god. Everyone knows god in their heart. Blah Blah Blah. Once you call BS on these they are screwed. This guy showed all the symptoms.
You are so on point. Asking questions mid script flusters them until they perceive it as being rude when it's not and then go on to act way more rude then anyone could be by simply asking a clarifying question
There was an absolutely ADORABLE interview someone did with Sye once. I can't remember who was on it (I THINK it was Aron Ra), but it was on a show with a guy and a girl. And the Atheist guest and male host refused to play into his bullshit, and he kept getting more and more frustrated, until the female host decided to give baby his bottle and say her scripted line so the conversation could continue
I’ll debate you in discord if you think it’s so easy
@@skepticalstrom6247 Just make sure to not rely on a script.
Nexils- ironic coming from a likely npc... my brain is more than sufficient lol
Eric you are a hero and handled this perpetual toddler so well.
Enjoyed that immensely!
When he says "troll" he means anyone that dares to disagrees with him.
This Darth Darkins needs a brain enema.
He had one. Can't you tell?😄
Similarly, a week or two ago I was accused of playing word games when I persisted for 3 days trying to get a creationist to answer one question... what he thought a word means.
I got called a liar plenty of times, got lists, got abstracts copy/pasted from non-sequitur papers, got told the guy "proved evolution false several times", got called mentally deficient and ognorant because that was easier than answering a question about what he thinks a word means, but never did learn how he was using a handful of words because he refused to define the first (I came to the conclusion he was running off talking points and didn't know what the buzzwords meant).
Hell. I'm autistic and can still see how socially incompetent this "%¤"%#%& is. Unbelievable patience from you guys, keep it up.
Me too.
There’s not being able to read social cues and then there’s this guy, intentionally disregarding them.
This is my favorite talk Heathen video.
I see I commented on this 5 months ago.
I think I'll watch it again.
"You can WAIT." Best way to deal with this shmuck.
something tells me "ef" does not have friends, and gets punched in the face a lot
EF is the rude one, not y'all! He wants to "finish" his scripts. He doesn't get that the show revolves around the socratic method which naturally breaks up pre thought out monologues
It's a typical presub tactic
I think this was his script honestly. He wanted to call in and have this exact shit conversation. Why he kept saying he was "exposing" and showing the audience how "rude" Eric is.
But the thing is that his script doesnt have an end,it just goes in circles.
@@RiddleMky But the problem is that he calls in so often that no one cares. Heck most just want the call screeners to deny him when he tries to get on.
The caller doesn't realize he's the rude one. lol
He love to say “now”, and proceed with a random question but hates to answer questions.
LMFAO, "hey caller, why dont you give us the definitions of your words so we can all understand your tinfoil arguments."
"Hold my beer"
**Eric takes off his jacket**
That was so hot. 😂😂😂
I would definitely back him up.
Hold my bible*
Next time that guy calls, ask him when he last went to the bathroom.
It must have been a long time ago.
It's backing up.
The answer that triggers him to no end (which is actually a correct answer) is that existence itself is unconditionally non-dependent. TJump gave him this answer and he lost his shit lol. It’s so funny to watch. He ends up calling tjump, TJUMP!, a fast-talking filibustering person...Soft-spoken, cool-as-a-cucumber tjump. It’s amazing.
0:21 "If we lived in a world without miscreant stalkers and trolls."
Pray to your god to create that world and then call back. If he exists, we'll never hear from you again. Next caller.
Great point!!
presups shoudl be treated with as much respect as flat-earthers
What makes you think there is a difference?
That's Darth Dawkins lmaooooo
"So i was hanging out with Mindy the other day..."
"Who is Mindy?"
"ARE YOU GONNA LET ME FINISH OR ARE YOU GOING TO RUDELY INTERRUPT ME?!?"
lmao
How can it be rude to ask someone to clarify something in there argument, if there is something in there, that you dont under stand, or if something is unclear?
It's not, if one actually intends to have a conversation. Gary does not. I have doubts that he can converse properly with people in his normal life.
'E.F.' attempted a classic 'gish-gallop' tactic, which (much like a cavalry charge) hasn't actually worked in generations and is easily derailed and crippled by anyone willing and able to pin them down and force them to go through point by point and defend their inane and insane ramblings. I'm actually a little interested in hearing whatever question his script called for (there are only six that ever get used and they're all really easy to answer in ways that invalidate pre-sup positions).
He's a one-trick pony. He claims without evidence that you must base reason on a non-contingent foundation then demands that you give him a non-contingent basis that is not god. He is defining god into existence because he thinks that's the only way that reason can possibly exist. And he doesn't listen, he just talks and complains about interruptions while constantly interrupting. He is one of the most ride and aggressive presupper out there, while claiming that its others who are rude, not him.
Damn straight skippie, it's a honor to engage in honest conversation with humans, this unit feels honored when so engaged...
It's extremely dishonest and suspicious to not want to clarify what you're talking about. Like you're trying to trap someone.
Exactly why he won’t do it.
This clip would've been 10 seconds long if Dillahunty was on. He doesn't have time for rude shits like this
This is more fun tbh. Watching Matt blow up at people gets old after a while.
This is every presuppositionalist ever. They're the only ones who I dislike having a discussion with.
Presuppositionalists don’t discuss, they assert, assume your position and don’t answer your questions to justify the presupposition.
A great example of a pre-suppositionalist is Sye Ten Brugencatte, who has been booted off stage and thrasshed thoroughly by Matt Dillahunty that he really is not longer around the debate scene because his one trick pony, even though it impresses some Christians, has been exposed.
The guy doesn't believe in God, he believes in winning an argument.
It’s telling that the guy can’t answer a simple question. It is the typical mindset that they can assert anything without justification or verification but they then want to require others to justify their position.
Ah, it's one of those word salad farmers again.
Virgil Blue And the crops are bountiful.
exactly
Word Salad shooter would be more appropriate, but that would give this Creation-tard too much credit and or efficacy.
Word Salad, Yummy Yummy.
Let me put this out there and you guys can correct me if I'm not getting it. He said ""a god can be defined that is unconditionally non-dependent". And then when asked about an example of a " unconditionally non-dependent" thing, he replied "god". Isn't what he is saying is "god is an example of god"?? Am I missing something??
He started out asserting that everyone believes in things that are 'unconditionally non-dependent'. When asked for an example of something that was like this, he said a god fits the criteria, because that is how he defines what a god is. His example of God fitting that criteria was challenged and he didn't want to back it up this time. His usual response is he knows this because of 'revelation from God' if he's challenged on it long enough.
A good example of something that is close to being unconditionally non-dependent would be something like the principle of identity (a==a) or maybe the law of non-contradiction. Assuming that 1 is always equal to 1 is about as simplistic of an axiom that one can believe in, though that isn't unconditional. It relies upon a universe in which constants are constants and that a constant that changes is not a constant.
No matter what worldview you choose, you're a step beneath solipsism if you don't even accept the laws of logic first. "I think therefore I am" is meaningless if you don't think that you are yourself as any proposition is meaningless if nothing is identified.
@@psilynt1
Wins the Internet prize of the day.
That is what he’s doing, typical theist
Watched this when it was new, I stand by my thumbs up.
Can you imagine being married to this guy… or him being your parent. F***ing terrifying…
Silly Talk Heathen, Apologists don't want to have a conversation, they simply want to lecture their beliefs to you!
I always laugh when I hear a theist sincerely say that they have a question atheists are scared to answer.
That question doesn't exist
and never will
He's like one of those Muslims at Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park. The ones who commonly make the most pathetic, fallacy-ridden arguments and then puff up their feathers saying "I just buried you" and similarly mature things.
This caller really puts me in the mood to fight 🤬🤺
This was enjoyable and satisfying.
DD loves to build straw-mans for him to knock down, goes off the rocker when you interrupt him building said straw-man.
Exactly
Damn Eric, I was unaware you had this kind of aggression. I have no idea how I'd have handled it but I have respect for how you did. By the time the words come it'll be next month. Until then you gave food for thought on how I can keep up reasonable aggression and still try to hold up the point of a conversation. Thanks mate.
"Can I ask my question?"
"Yes, after we finish with this clarifying question."
"Are you going to let me ask my question?"
"Yes, after you answer this clarifying question."
"So you aren't going to let me ask my question? Are you going to let me ask my question?"
Lmao, So dishonest. He didn't like that he had to answer a clarifier before continuing and just repeated himself like a child throwing a fit.
Sin Stalker
It’s because he doesn’t know the answer.
He’s simply following a script he probably got from Sye Ten Bruggencate which is just basically gibberish meant to confuse your interlocutor.
He’s too stupid to deviate from said script.
@@powbobs The guy calling is a famous apologist. He knew what he was doing.
This guy is unconditionally incomprehensible.