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It's difficult to win an argument against an intelligent person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument against a stupid person.
It's easy to 'win' an argument against anyone, if you're prepared to be sufficiently dishonest.
Give George Carlin his props.
Quoting Mark Twain.@@rynbk
To be or not be that is the question
"Is slavery wrong?"
"Yes."
"*reads Exodus 21* Is slavery wrong?"
"No."
This guy should take off his God glasses and repeatedly stomp on them.
When you grow up religious you do your best to pretend to agree with anything in the religion, lest your magic fairy diety punish you in the magic dumpster fire. ;-)
Lol
Nosfrat Tirek brilliant comment! Thumbs up
Lol yeah
His god glasses are his eyeballs. He's like gossamer from looney toons, you shave off all the fur and there's nothing underneath.
I just imagine that scene in "12 Years a Slave" where the Slave Master (played by michael fassbender) was reading outloud from the Bible to justify his ownership of having slaves..beating slaves.. and it has ALWAYS stuck in my mind.. even growing up Christian I didn't know that was really in there.. I had to google it.
I spent 20-odd years indoctrinated in the "faith" and yet somehow they skimmed past that part.
Disgusting. And before I ever heard Matt say it.. I have always felt this way.. since the first time I heard the story of "Job" he always obeyed God.. he did everything he was supposed to do. And God and the Devil played a game with his life. Satan said to God- "He only serves you because you bless him with a good life" (something like that) and so God agreed that, I bet you he will still serve me even if I took everything away.. and legit killed ALL his kids.. all his livestock..and cursed his body with leprosy.
His wife told him to "Curse God and die" and still he did not. God wins his little bet- and then blesses Job! His wife bears a million more kids, they get 10-fold the amount of animals.. (child bearing hurt back then didn't it?? Blessing?? anyways..)
Pretty much all to prove a point.. the moral of the story was.. what.. so God could prove to Satan he can play with people's lives??
I was taught this story as a small child.. over and over.. and I would get so angry with God for killing his children, and animals.. why did they have to suffer for some stupid bet? I swear this was the seed that first started my doubts- not doubt that God existed, but doubt that I ever wanted to serve a God who was just an asshole for being an asshole.
Fast forward all these years.. and I am an Atheist- but suppose there IS a God.. especially the Christian one?? I don't want any part of a deity such as that. Who murders needlessly.. who condones slavery.. and so much worse.
All the theist out there who say "Just Read the Bible" I did.. over and over and over- and that's why I no longer believe.
Teaf I completely agree anyone who believes the Bible literally is either morally bankrupt or simply hasn't read it. Now to be fair, not all theists believe it literally, so I don't think this argument is sufficient to be atheist. I am an atheist, because I see a lack of evidence of any god claims. I was raised Catholic, so I was taught to interpret the Bible figuratively in many places, though hypocritically literally in the places that are necessary. I don't want to be a Christian apologist because I believe they are wrong, but we should make sure our arguments don't assume all Christians are as obviously morally vacuous as fundamentalists.
@@huckthatdish I re-read my post..and boy was it long! I forgot I wrote that much.. I see how it comes off like the *only* reason I am an atheist is because of my literal interpretation of the bible at the time.. but it's not.. truly that was just the beginning of a doubt.. the doubt grew into my research- the research made me question more and more.. and the more I questioned the more "faith" I lost.. and so on and so on.
So whether people believe in a literal or a non-literal version of the bible.. I'm with you- I just don't see *any* evidence (through my years of final separation from faith/church/god/belief) of any God.
..it's a sad story though, the bible. Either way.
Teaf oh I completely agree. I think starting off with a Jesuit spin on Catholicism fast fracked me to atheism just because they genuinely taught me that if your well formed moral conscience contradicts church teaching you should trust your conscience. They were thinking of like why it was good to hate slavery when everyone thought it was ok, but still radical stuff to tell teenagers. Of course it led me to research more on my own and lose faith. But I still respect those teachers for encouraging me to think for myself.
Very well said! Like the proverb goes... there is no faster way to becoming an atheist than reading the bible in earnest.
THIS.
and to think that so many Christians believe that we get our morality from the Bible... We do not get morality from religion. People have morals _despite_ religion.
Like the Menendez brother's.. Gotcha!!
Yes .bcz morality is in our genes..its human nature.
Are dogs moral??? Do they get morality from bible
@@anandsuralkar2947 Dogs do have some moral concepts. They don't bite back on puppies as hard as they do on adult dogs for example. Do they "know" what they are doing? Do we?
"Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it" - Christopher Hitchens
It's amazing a show like this is even needed. Granted, I live in Sweden, but it's just absurd that the United States needs this.
@Dirk Knight Yes I do, but the point I'm making is that we are past that and have learned how to separate state and church and not have religion guide the way we let people live their lives.
I would give anything to switch my US citizenship for nearly *any* European country. Videos like this are just the tip of the iceberg, our country is failing at every level
Europe banished many of its religious fanatics across the Atlantic in the 17th and 18th centuries and it seems like they took control of what became the United States.
We have the Calvinists to thanks for all this bullshit.
I'm an Amercan and I agree with you 1000%.
As you may know, religion is more of a business over here than a spiritual journey.
We shouldn't be in the shape we're in.
Wow when that caller heard most of Exodus 21 and then without a second thought agreed with it, I got sick to my stomach.
Thus why US civil wars happened. Not to mention KKK and the all the protests since women's rights, inter-faith, inter-racial marriage and equal rights in US. You can bet religious people use Bible and going against every single progress.
Not to mention before 1920, the US was the last country to change marriage age from 13-16 years old with Delaware was at 7 because religious people think the world is wrong to change marriage at to 18 and they should stick to Bible with allowing to marry young girls.
With God, really anything is possible, see...? "Christians are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you get."
@@arjanstam78 Just because there are false sects, does that mean that all the sects are false? No. No it doesn't.
@@ChessArmyCommander Just because these sect people believe things on insufficient evidence, are they wrong? Well, hypothetically, there's a chance they might be right on the things that haven't been disproved. Just like the flying spaghetti monster, invisible unicorns, and universe creating pixies.
Impressive...
@@arjanstam78 So a God of some kind. That's deism. If you stop there and you don't try to define it. A God of the universe.
After twice being corrected that Matt was a believer as an adult, the caller went on three more times to stress that Matt's belief stage was "as a child".
Because theists view the world in a warped lense, and they can't, and won't try to actually listen to what someone says unfiltered. Not unless they're already questioning, or not necessarily that deep into the indoctrination already.
All Religions: Give me all your money and buy my little book and i will give you eternal life. (Right after you die) The greatest con trick the world has ever known.
you look like good man. I give you good price!
"All Religions: Give me all your money and buy my little book and i will give you eternal life. (Right after you die) The greatest con trick the world has ever known." - As Christians Do, you're making a FALSE CLAIM! If you're going to make an "All Religions" all inclusive claim you better have a MUCH better understanding of ALL RELIGIONS. Pagans and Wiccans, as an example, do not demand any money! At least the honest ones. Nor do they tell you if you do you will have an eternal life FROM giving/paying money!!! Look at my Avatar before you reply.
@@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210 he's being hyperbolic. Don't take it so literally.
@@denverarnold6210 Taking things more literal is where you notice truth at. But also, text...without notes of humor can be challenging to know if there is humor involved.
@@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210 I don't know about wickens or modern pagans in general, but there definitely are plenty of pagan religions that have demanded sacrafices and payment that the priests would definitely benefit from.
He claimed children "naturally know their creator", but my child has never believed in a God. It's actually been sort of touchy because everytime someone mentions it he tells them it's fake; he did the same thing with Santa and the Easter bunny. Teaching 6 year olds about tact had been very difficult for me.
Yes they do…. Their parents.
@@petyrkowalski9887 orphans don't
@@KD-ou2np depends how old they were when they became an orphan; orphaned at 7? They know their parents; orphaned at 2? They don't. Same goes for foster kids.
Why teach? Let him speak the truth.
@@KulaGGin 😆 Mostly because I wasn't trying to see kids cry or listen to Christians blather on. He's gotten better about it now though.
The same people who tell their children to not believe in Santa Claus and fairies tell them to believe in a talking snake and Noah's ark
The thing of it is that they DO teach their children to believe in Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny that leaves Lincoln Logs in thier sock drawer or whatever. Specifically to train developing minds to believe that mouthing words and performing cutesey little performances to an invisible mythical being will manifest physical artifacts they can eat and drink. Milk, sweets, chocolate train innocent minds to ritually cannibalize the blood flesh and the very soul of a deity in a vain attempt in their god's name, to claim immortality to one's self. Thou shalt take the Lord's name in vain!
"God is not great, How religion poisons everything", bij C.Hitchins, "The God Delusion", bij Richard Dawkins changed my life forever. I wish I had discovered them both years ago.
Better late than never! Bertrand Russell didn't get around that much, but he was there for those who looked.
I love how he has to nurse his callers through their own arguments like they are 5yr olds
I can't believe he tried to justify slavery that's so horrible :(
but you didn't have a problem when Matt justified slavery did you?....
Bertrand Gloudon your very dumb!!
@@1dgoose That's interesting. What made you think that?
@@Devdraco well did you???
@@OneLove-vn2yo Thanks ... attack the person when you have nothing to say
I’m always amazed on how Christians whole belief is based on a false book that they don’t really know
As I overheard a wise woman saying... I didn't write the book, I just read it. It's YOUR book, believe it or burn it.
I miss my mom.
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Lets put that to the test Mon Frere, do you want me to ask the questions about God's Word , or do you want to question me? I have been an everyday student of the Bible for over 40 years and I love to talk to people like you, bring it on !!! Jesus loves it when you are asking about his Word
@Timothy Mostad I've read the Bible cover to cover for 40 years, probably at least 30 times, but you know what? each time I read it , I gain more knowledge and understanding. The Bible is an integrated message system comprised of 66 books by 40 different authors , written over a period of several hundred years, close to 2 thousand, but despite all this the topic and integrity of the text are maintained from Genesis to Revelation. The Theme is Mans salvation through Christ. You don't need to be a Bible scholar to know that you are a sinner and that you need a Savior I know God, His Son Jesus, and the Holy spirit; you don't, but you can and will. Better to come to him as Savior than Judge
@Bill Pii You believe this because that is what you have been told. The Gospels weren't written hundreds of years after the events. When you are extremely busy living this super New Life that Christ has given to us ( his people ) there isnt much time for writing when you are living it ! Come join us ! Shalom
I blindly followed when I was a kid in a Christian church. As a teenager, I went to a Pentecostal church for a year and made a point to not just read the good parts of the Bible. When I moved away to college at 19 and looking up answers, I realized how sad it was that everyone I know and love typically took this book as fact.
@Beatus Moribus With fake news like that you could become a journalist
@Beatus Moribus Thanks but are you a theologian. Have you got a MDiv degree from a college. Are you a student of the Bible. Are you familiar with the historicity of the Bible. Are you familiar with the archaelogical discoveries that support the content of the Bible. If not, then maybe your not qualified to comment on the Bible
@@BT3701 just because some archeological finds corresponds with some bits in the bible and other things in the bible correspond to reality it in no way makes anything else especially supernatural claims true. Every claim needs it’s own supporting evidence and by the way you don’t need to be a “biblical scholar” to know these simple concepts. But keep trying, it’s only taking us 2000 plus years to get this far (nowhere of significance)
@@jamimarshall1012 It's not just archeological finds that lends support to the Bible. Historical records also support what is contained in it. Plus real people in real places in real time have given witness of the events written in the Bible. If that wasn't enough then the fulfilled prophecies contained in the Bible also lend support. And then there are other prophecies in it that refer to future events. Many secular, non-religious writers and what they have wrote likewise verify and lend support to the Bible. And that's just scratching the surface.
@@BT3701 Yeah, no. No. Sorry, pal. You have no eyewitnesses, no originals, no confirmation for the validity of the buybull other than the buybull. Please demonstrate- precisely- which prophecies were fulfilled. And if something refers to "future events", then please demonstrate how you know that they will come to pass? You are the reason why homeschooling and inbreeding are generally frowned upon in this Country.
Watching religion die. One viewer at a time.
Haha good one and so true.
Amen !
If only that were true Charlie. That should be the outcome once Matt slaughters their views but it isn't. The callers are oblivious to the fact that they have just been totally schooled by him and they just carry on quoting the bible as if it never happened. The brainwashing is too strong.
@@TheBeeseven what does everyone on the internet think their input to a comment adds something?
Make your own comment
@@charlieherron5462
Bit touchy Charlie? You make a comment then other people comment on your comment. It's kinda how the whole thing works.
I've had the displeasure of debating Matt Adams in a Facebook group over the past few days, and he is STILL touting exactly the same lines as he tried with Matt here. He never learns, despite being thrashed every time! It's pathetic to watch!
It's the only way people can remain religious. Delusion.
What facebook group? I want a shot at Matt 'Patch' Adams
I debate with lots of Christians and when mentioned theirs God killed more people than Satan, wiped out the world once and will do it again with 7 BILLIONS of more death.
Then these religious people change theirs tune to "God created everything, God can kill anyone" or "God is never wrong, so everything God has done is "Morally Right"".
See, these people willing to CORRUPT theirs HUMANITY AND MORALITY to fit the teaching in Bible.
Iv had a similar experience on Facebook with him even when i quote the exact passage.. PSALMS 137/9. blessed shall he be who takes you litte ones and dashes them on rocks... Apparently im reading this all wrong.. An only he knows what that passage actually talks about. Im not reading between the lines.. I actually think he incapable of admiting whats actually in that book. .
@@blacklightning298 hi, I am curious what FB group did you talk with Adams? I would lile to talk to him...I think...lol.
The guys sounds like a winner
Thank you Matt for your uploads. I had a run in with a raving christian today and was actually able to shut her down by plagiarizing some of your arguments. It was a great relief.
I have done this same thing 👍👌
Is slavery wrong?
“Yes”
God says slavery is alright, Is slavery still wrong?
“..no”
-_-
Yup typical christian
why is slavery wrong? because it is ..Yup typical Atheist response
@@torontoash45 If that isn’t the definition of a strawman I don’t know what is. The ownership of another human being as property is awful. Slavery would be the use of that “property” as if they’re tools, worse even when they’re beaten, malnourished, and treated like less than human. Owning a human being in it of itself is degrading, and a gateway to mistreatment. There are no good slavers, because they then would not be slavers, they wouldn’t own the person, they’d be in their care, treated as an individual, or left free. Even the thought that an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful God couldn’t think of a better way for mankind to progress other than the ownership and slavery of their fellow man is by far the most outrageous claim, and if he did and just did nothing, then he is a sadistic and awful god, and if he couldn’t then he’s not an all powerful god at all.
First of all your ignorance is terrifying . Do you even know what a Straw man argument is ? because this was not one ,as a matter of fact you are committing a Tu Quoque Fallacy in the process .
so let me educate you . Slavery in the modern world (400+ years) is very different from slavery in the time of the Bible. Slavery in the bible was almost always voluntary . The whole system of laws in place for much of ancient time (goes badly later on in the Roman empire) to protect slaves from harsh treatment. Secondly be careful with what you say God condones because of narrative accounts. In both the Old and New Testaments, the words used to denote slaves did not necessarily carry the same connotations that we associate with slavery today. Last but not least So, the first problem with claiming that God is immoral is that meaningful moral claims require God to exist in the first place. Labelling anything “good” or “evil” requires assumptions that lead inevitably to God. This fact is related to the next common objection about divine morality. Remember, if the ultimate measure of morality is some human opinion, then there can always be different ways to interpret that opinion. “Human flourishing” sounds like a great basis for morality until someone conveniently defines certain people as less than human.
This leads to a major instance of hypocrisy. In claiming that God is morally wrong, people are claiming more than a knowledge of a better moral system; they are claiming to be the standard of morality. That claim not only makes their criticism of God’s morals less impactful, but it makes it meaningless.
So do some research ,maybe study Hermeneutics so you won´t be making an Ass of yourself when you speak
@@torontoash45 You know theres a section in the bible that literally teaches you how to beat your slave? If you can explain how thats alright then you win because i’m not lookin for essay long arguments on a youtube comment thread
Ultimately, the answer to "why do you take it on faith," is just "I was told to," (not that people would admit that.)
I believe Christ is indeed a hysterical figure.
I agree with Chris Hitchens , if he did exist, he was a madman.
I haven't seen sufficient evidence to agree confidently. But that may well be true. And given how common the name was, I am confidant saying there was a messianic preacher, if not several, with his name at the approximate time period.
Well played
i see what you did there...lolz
@Eagle Crow hysterical because it's a funny play on words
If god wanted to save mankind the first commandment should have been: "wash your hands after gong to the toilet". It is impossible to underestimate how many dreadful maladies this could have prevented.
Disease itself would have no place in a god created universe. Why would god need some other agent to cause you death? Why would he plan to have some diseases curable after decades of research by scientists when he could simply cure everyone with a thought? If there is any reason to think the god story is nonsense, disease would be the number one.
Mountain Man And #2 probably would’ve been about oral hygiene
Why even create the whole idea of having to eat and shit anyway? God designed that? God designed shitting? What kind of nutjob would come up with that as a good system?
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And then put it right next door to the recreation area...
@@snate56 wow... evan said something about oral and i was looking...
then post said some shit...
now you mention the dick n' pussy...
if we continue this we gon' have a scat porn...
we better stop, mate...
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................. sorry couldn't resist all the innuendo just sitting there...
Dear Atheist Experience, Thank you for supplying me with ammunition to aid me in my conflict. The old saying sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt you is absolutely a lie. Words can do MORE harm or help than action! Ammunition obviously means words in my context.
Faith is what you use when there's something you want to believe but can't get to it with reason and evidence.
@@fff8947 "I take it that you have no faith in anything or anyone?"
Depends what's meant by "faith".
If it means "earned trust", then I do.
I'd say that it's "something you already believe" as opposed to "something you want to believe". I don't think it's choice, I think we are convinced of something and we believe it instead of making a choice that we have control over.
In order to be a Christian I must accept that the bible contains the written form of what Yahweh(god) spoke to some trusted men, who were most likely illiterate, that incredibly remembered and passed down to other men then decades later was eventually written with out any misinterpretation on clay tablets and papyrus sheets and what not, then translated correctly is the true utter words of the Christian god. Right? Great job with that guy Matt.
Rodney Settle I played this interesting philosophical mind game when I was not even 10 years old, it was called telephone. The teachers/camp counselors would get a kick out of how the message changed as the message went from child to child.
And God’s words, laws, and myths just happened to look like the words, laws, and myths that existed in other, older laws and religions that were around at the time.
When he said, after all that, that it is NOT immoral...I actually gasped aloud 😂. Wow. If God were to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he would not lose a singer follower 😮 😂 These people are absolutely NUTS.
Lol. Some of these comments are great, like this one!
What about the occultists/satanists/luciferians now 10% of the population & into things like human blood drinking/canabalism/human sacrifice? Is this going on Sunday morning in churches?
@@RonSafreed Lol. Exactly what goes on in churches -- celebrating a human sacrifice, and ritually (or literally, in the case of Roman Catholics) eating human/divine flesh, and drinking human/divine blood.
@@ThereIsNoLord , in the occult, satanism they literally drink "real' human blood & not the wine or grape juice during holy communion in a church! The bread is a representation of the body of Jesus Christ, "not human flesh" Remember the last supper when Jesus took the bread & wine, "NOT HUMAN FLESH & HUMAN BLOOD! The wine/grape juice reminds we Christians of the blood J.C/Yeshua shed on the cross. The bread represents His body that was pierced by nails, a crown of thorns, the whip used to cut open the skin on His back. The pierced side by the Roman spear. Remember the cross is a central theme in Christianity. Once again holy communion is done with some type of bread & either grape wine or grape juice & not real human blood & human flesh. BTW in the Torah of Moses talks against these things. Occultists & satanists don;t use bread & wine but literal blood & flesh, human & both occultists & satanists hate & despise Christians the Bible-FYI !!!!
@@ThereIsNoLord are you aware that groups like the occultists/satanists/lluciferians are now 10% of the population & back in 1980 were only less than 2% of the population & they do human sacrifice to satan? BTW I had a Christian friend that was brought up in the occult & when he became a Christian, his occultic family & friends were not happy about it. He stayed away from his hometown for ten years because of threats against him! He said during those ten years they all died violent deaths! Many of you atheists are not aware what really goes on in these groups!
you know, it's probably pretty safe to agree to be matt's slave because he's almost certainly moral enough to release you immediately rather than keep you
Matt is so polite and patient in this one. I liked it.
You will never convince a hillbilly who is not educated.
It’s not about convincing those guys. It’s about convincing just a few out of the thousands of people that listen.
I am betting this caller was 16 and still in the 6th grade! Probably dated the teacher!
When you call people names and assuming they’re uneducated they stop listening. Try a little empathy.
smoovechi1 ohh, the worst kind. Most ppl never stop to think of just how many there actually are out there..
Just remember Matt was an “uneducated hillbilly” too. There are a lot of people that have multiple degrees, and I’m willing to bet are way smarter than you, that believe in God(s). You are just a pompous little shit that likes to troll people on the internet. So fuck right off to wherever the fuck you fucked on from.. mkay?!
It is amazing how the caller had two conflicting views about slavery. I almost think that his brain shorted when Matt pointed out the passages in the bible, and smoke must have started to come out of his ears. It seems that god glasses allow you to believe anything even if it is wrong. Well so much for god glasses.
Pascal forgot that his god is all powerful and omniscient.
He would know that Pascal was trying to deceive him.
No wager is possible.
He didn't even try the lame "but it was indentured servitude" or "but that was the old covenant" arguments.
He was about to, right as Matt hung up on his dumbass.
@ The Old Testament was against the slavery of the Jews, ya know the "Chosen ones", not other people. The OT _specifically_ gives rules as to who you can own as property (the heathen around you) and how you can treat them (it's all good to beat them as long as they survive at least a couple of days from the beating). In the case of your fellow Jew, it was indentured servitude for 6 years and you got to go free in the 7th year with the wonderful loophole that if you gave your male servant a wife (and if you ended up having children), sure the servant could go free but the woman and the child were still property of the master. How many masters do you think gave their servant a wife with this loophole in mind and how many of these men do you think would just walk away from their wife and children?
@ " Moses led the slaves out of the desert." which NEVER happened.and we got proof of that
@@GeneralZod99 If it isn't the great Zod.
@@avzarathustra6164 It is I, General Zod, your ruler. Yes, today begins a new order. Your lands, your possessions, your very lives, will gladly be given in tribute to me. In return for your obedience you will enjoy my generous protection. In other words you will be allowed to live.
As for this "Superman".... Come to me, son of Yahweh, if you dare! I defy you! Come, come and kneel before Zod! Zod!!!
"The bible says slavery is okay"
"No, it doesn't it says it's wrong to steal and you're stealing the freedom from slaves"
WHAT'S THIS? A CONTRADICTION IN THE BIBLE!? SAY IT AINT SO!
We are all slaves to someone or something. Either you have been purchased from the auction block by the precious Blood Of Jesus and have been set FREE, and now are servant of Christ and are free to serve righteousness, or you are still a slave to sin , self , and Satan. Jesus came to set the captives FREE ! Luke 4 ; 18 Why are you still wearin those CHAINS bro , Jesus has paid for your freedom !
J W Sanders you know the problem with that we have a choice to choose a sin free life, which isn’t the case for actual slaves they can’t magically choose to no longer be slaves.
besides why would I want a god that commanded people to own others and to wipe out entire people’s including infants? If that is seen as righteous in his eyes as an all powerful creator why should I give any consideration about what he deems as immoral?
@@mikhaeldavis868 I am a Christian , I follow the Law of love and Mercy. Jesus tells his people who follow him , " A new commandment I am giving you, that you should love one another. " Thou shalt love the lord your God with all thy mind , soul , and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." There are more slaves in the world today than any other time in history ; what are you doing about it ? Put your money where your mouth is , Christians do more to get people out of slavery than anyone else, Franklin Graham and World Vision. In Civil war times it was the Christians who freed the Slaves, ever heard the Battle hymn of The Republic ? / " As He died to make men Holy , let us Die to make men free , Our God is marching on." Hundreds of thousands of White ,Christian Yankee boys laid down their lives to free their Black Brothers
@Enjoy and Travel The World! Well Friend, I'm a Christian , I try to follow Jesus, try to keep up with him , keep him in sight. have you ever heard of the 10 commandments ? I broke them, all of em, and so have you. Jesus said, I give you a new commandment, that you should love one another, by this all men will know that you are my Disciples, that you love one another " Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Look at the stuff o n TV, the stuff on the internet, the world is rotting, we need Jesus
@Enjoy and Travel The World! Friend , I don't know if I told you this before ,but I'm a Christian, I follow JESUS THE Christ. I broke all of the 10 commandments, he said OK I'll give you a new commandment , " LOVE one another"
Many believers just ignore that verse and say “but but but that’s the OT.” Like it’s not THEIR God.
I couldn't do this show without laughing a lot. Even out of nervous laughter from hearing some of this stuff. It doesn't get old for me.
I give Matt and Jen a lot of credit for there persistent seriousness.
The definition of a true Christian is anyone who is the exact same version of Christianity that I am. All the other ones are false versions. Additionally if someone is no longer a Christian but they claim to have been the exact same version that I am, that person never truly excepted Christ to begin with. Basically I’m 6 and we’re playing a game called “I win.”
They guy literally explains that he is brainwashed and how.
I’m so sick and tired of listening to responses from theists, they react like children being told there is no Santa 🎅.
Captain
Children quickly realize you're right, in my experience.
Unlike theists, who can't prove anything, we have evidence that santa was based on a real man. He's just dead now. (And he stayed dead)
@Eagle Crow well you commented to me in a public forum that many people can see. I can't determine if you are a bot or a real person as of yet. I would need more demonstrable evidence.
@Eagle Crow if i did that, I'd be a creationist.
@Eagle Crow "existing as a physical entity and having properties that deviate from an ideal, law, or standard" this is the Webster's definition of real that most accurately summarizes your meaning of real correct? Yes or no.
When I was a believer, I didn’t really stop and think about the verses in it. I was indoctrinated for a couple of years. I look back on what I used to think I and I am disgusted. It’s horrifying what cognitive dissonance and pressures can do to someone
I really enjoyed this show. Someone told me that it would be best to still believe because there is a chance I can escape hell. I told them I couldn't force myself to take on the faith again.
Belief is not a matter of the will.
It's nice to see Matt D. smile and be lighthearted....the sustained seriousness and anger can become wearing....though I enjoy it.
The freaking no true Scotsman fallacy.
Thank you, Matt!! Beautiful response on slavery and Exodus 21.
"I have 1 question for you, then a follow up question".So 2 questions then.
Prefaced by a statement.
This video should have ended at 22:20 with Matt dropping a mic on the table, standing up, flipping the table and walking off-set.
Slavery is wrong, but here's how slavery works under rules from the being that creates morality
God glasses. They seem to not help someone's sight, but makes them shortsighted. I took mine off, and see things much clearer.
I would read "Life of Elvis according to Matt".
As would I, as long as doing so brought me closer to eternal life in heaven...lmao, but how do we know Matt is writing about THE Elvis, and not all the Elvis in personators?!?!? I guess just take his word on faith.
I gave you a 'like' just because your nickname is "Fernando Pessoa"
"Elvis Is my god and King of all men" - Matt
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Fernando Pessoa
Make sure to read the King James Brown version and not the English Standard Version.
It comes with a beautiful Blue Suede cover and is found in the bedside drawers of every Heartbreak Hotel in the country.
"Thankyou-very-much. Uh huh huh"(in Elvis voice)
I have a friend who's a born again Pentecostal Christian, I would sometimes go to church with him and when I listened to him and some of the other church members talk about things, I determined that my own common sense could give me a better moral compass than a million of their Gods could
To be a true Christian, you have to follow the teachings of Jesus.
"Love your enemies" Matthew 5:44
"Hate your family" Luke 14:26
That's not mad enough for me.
*Finally Matt, This is what ive been dying for you to say (at one time), and so clever. Great job!*
I bet Matt plays one of the biggest roles for deconversion today. dude is so on point with these debates
My understanding of Pascal’s Wager is when you appear before god it is safer to say you believe even if you don’t or have doubts. I am a lifelong atheist but I know that if there is a god (there isn’t) he would know you are lying so you would be condemned anyway. Live now, love always, die happy (and anyway).
You made the absolute claim that there is no god. Do you have any absolute proof to support your absolute claim. You own the burden of proof for your claim
Haha
This caller goes on about "According to the bible." The bible is just a book, nothing more, it's not proof or evidence.
According to the Koran, the Koran is the final revelation. Imagine that!
If an adult has an imaginary friend, he's generally considered crazy...
Unless your friend is named jesus...wtf??!!
He is a best friend and/or boyfriend to lonely people. Which is why he is depicted as a good looking white male, instead of a ugly dude with boils, etc.
My mother loves to say, “oh that’s just the Old Testament.” Lmao. Arguing with these people is fucking impossible.
This was my first video I saw from atheist experience and I had to subscribe. Good to know there are more people with the same view like me
SPOT ON Matt
thanks guys and stay strong.
"I'm a kreeschin"
Lilith Nobody don’t be mean, plenty of us are atheist too
“After thou shalt not kill comes a whole bunch of killing” lmao
I love how the last attempt is always “yeah, but if this all was true, would it change your mind?” what would it matter? That’s not the reality we live in right now.
Anthony Flew originated the "No true Scotsman" fallacy in his essay "Thinking about thinking."
It is fascinating, the lengths one will stretch credulity and integrity, when anyone questions their superstition.
A lesson on how Christianity makes you total dishonest.. Did your farther robb the gas station ? Yes. is he a criminal ? No.
I am so sick and tired of theists thinking and stating that they have the moral high ground simply because they are theists. If you're going to be a theist that is your decision but stop trying to force it on other people and imply that you are a better person simply because you believe in fairy tales.
Depends what you mean by "father," "gas station" and "rob." Jordan Peterson.
A criminal is someone that has been convicted of a crime. Until a court finds them guilty they are a suspect, an unknown suspect, or that guy down the street that has a lot of yard sales.
That phrase “I take it on faith” has become like finger nails to the chalk board for me! 😳
To me it says, 'Don't bother listening to me. It's a waste of your time.'
"If my neighbor had an ox, I would be over there coveting it all the time!" LMFAO!
I think this was very well done. The listener was given enough time to speak
You can't reason someone out of an opinion they arrived at emotionally. You can tell by the religious certainty in the callers voice even as Matt dismantles everything he's saying that he isn't budging one iota from his 'convictions'. It's kind of like trying to get a dog to stop barking by explaining the theory of relativity to it, then expecting it to stop barking.
Doing Gods work, Matt. keep it up !
what god
"Through the lens of faith" sounds like a thought-stopping cliche.
So good. I'm not a mythicist, but I love the string they add to the argument for the exact reasons that Matt gave. So we'll spoken and so pragmatic
So great what you guys do 👍you guys are awesome!
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Mark Twain
priceless! Where can I get the T shirt?
What I like the most about this show is the southern accent 😂
I like the flattop haircuts
Masterfully stated, Matt!
Calling people a sinner is junk, just as owning other people is. I very much adored this clip. You caught him very well. I hope he really ponders that.
It's pretty easy to say that "no true Christian could ever lose their belief in Christ as their savior." It's a terrible cop out, of course, but I guess you can define your terms however you want to. What I find most fascinating about Matt's story is that he, at one point, wanted to make God and Jesus his life's work. And now it's his life's work to 'save' (just to borrow the language) people from holding beliefs whose truth cannot be demonstrated.
When I see a dog walking towards me in the street, I have no inclination to begin a conversation with the animal, in the same sense, literally, when I know someone to be a person who tries to spout their religion, I cannot see any value whatsoever in attempting to engage in conversation with them either. I find it sad that even though these people have the ability to create concepts, they abandon this wonderful natural evolutionary phenomenon, and choose faith instead. They decide not to think rationally and instead choose to abandon reason in favour of lying, what sadness. Homo sapiens, homo psychopathicus et cetera....
This is a Great one Gj guys
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
The caller’s morality was still better than Yahweh’s in one way. James said slavery is theft of freedom. Yahweh apparently disagrees.
When someone pronounces "life" as "lahf", and "died" as dahd", you know this person is going to talk about "da bahble".
Ah yes, the notorious Wager of Pascal. Which already falls apart with the question: _Which god(s)?_
"... But if you give him a TV, a mortgage and a credit card, then he will be your slave forever." -NNIV 🤔
I agree what Matt said, but I'm sorry he cut this guy off. I wonder what "justification" he'd have come up with.
The same argument they always use, it's not slavery its indentured servitude.
I actually went to answers in genesis to find out how on Earth he might worm his way out of that mess, they literally subdivide slavery in to good slavery and bad slavery and that the bible only supports good slavery so its all totally fine... (Good slavery being slaves who were given a wage and a roof above there heads, as if thats all thats required to make servitude a-okay!) It literally compares it to going to college!
Oh and if you beat your slaves, thats not harsh, thats just discipline, cause they are lazy.
There is so much more, there is stuff defending the sexism in the bible because without the increased rules constraining women the women would be victims of the rules previously laid out... by the bible.
Women and kids being owned is fine because otherwise them no good women would abuse the slavery system which would be 'cruel to the master'.
Almost all of this is rooted in the fact that God seeing the bad slavery would prefer to have good slavery instead, so that makes him just and great! Except... you know... the fact that hes an all powerful god with the capacity to have absolute no slavery at all... I guess thatd encroach on our freewill, but then thats what he effectively does anyway so... Fucked if I know how that makes any sense. (To add a layer to this, Paul tells slaves to obey their masters, which answers in genesis claims is not an endorsement of slavery. I mean, obviously. Its just implying that if they endeavour to break free of slavery they will burn in hell... much better.)
This is generally pretty jaw droppingly grotesque, these people are utterly monstrous, and from the candour of whats written they have absolutely no idea just how sickeningly immoral they really are.
Do what matt does if you actually encounter these people. If you have no qualms with "good slavery" are you willing to subject yourself to it?
Next: the benign hell?
@Stevo Devo Hmyes, now that you mention... And one wonders where they got this information from. Umm.... It has probably always been that way, and that silly notion of wailing and gnashing of teeth must have been an incorrect assumption made by people who who took it literally. Silly them. Those fallible humans. Tss... As if god wants us to suffer. Noooooooo. The bible is so clear on that...
And: emotional blackmail...? Ooooohw! Who would think such a bad thing of god? People who say that, do not really know god... God just wants to help us to not make the wrong decision... How else can god lovingly motivate humans than with an imaginary nasty stick to herd us to the juicy carrot?
I guess god is so hell-bent on having us herded in the direction that HE has in mind for us, that he is totally unaware of the phenomenon of "intrinsic reward"...
The Bible was used extensively to justify slavery in the South, precisely because of these reasons and the Bible.
Anyone who gets their morality from a religious book - especially an Abrahamic one - is not a moral person.
@@arjanstam78 Purgatory.
I know your not on the line..that was a dramatic pause 😂 Matt is so funny
You tell ‘em Jen! Let the Peeples speak!
He doesn't understand that we can't choose to believe in God. We can't believe in God without being convinced. This is the biggest flaw of pascal's wager.
Exactly. I want to believe there is a Lochness monster because that would be really cool. However I find the "evidence" unconvincing. But once you have evidence of something, it no longer requires faith so by seeing evidence that convinces you to believe will destroy your faith and round and round we go. Xians are not doing themselves any favors by trying to find evidence.
Faith is the antidote to reason.
You should reverse that statement.
@@robertbrownjr2123 I agree although faith is appealing as reason can be a burden to many. Faith is a way out and absolves the believer from the difficult task of thinking.
More like choking on reason.
God damn... that last point. So good
DILLAHUNTY FOR PRESIDENT! If only we had such clear and logical thinkers in government!
I don't know if I'd promote Matt for candidacy for the highest office in the land. I don't think he would either! Local government, sure.
But Matt, those weren't really slaves ! That was nice slavery.
Those poor slaves had nowhere to go. They would have died if it wasn't for the kind slave owner.
Besides, they were probably in debt and that was a moral way of paying off the debt.
That was God showing his kindness, giving those slaves a home where they'd be safe. Respect !
@Religion Sucks
I think everyone would be happy being a slave in those days.
I'd love to have my ear held against a door post and bored through with an awl as a sign of perpetual servitude. It points to the sacrifice of Jesus who had his four limbs bored by big nails, which were designed to prevent anybody removing his body, whilst balancing on a rickety old ladder.
I AM JESUS !!!
Is what i would say if i was mentally ill.
Or maybe of mexican ancestry. Why you shouting?
As I was in the Christian Bubble (as I call it)... I discussed my disgust with multiple Old Testament issues and was repeatedly told that the New Testament was the transition of their god's forgiveness after his rejection of the Jews. Truthfully... I had a hard time with it then and thankfully left it all behind me since. Thank you for the interesting conversations here!
Thinking for yourself is kryptonite to the faithfull
„I debates“
Who else knew in the first 30 seconds as soon as he said that that this was gonna get cringey? That was a rough
Blessed are the Greek.......Blessed are the cheese makers, speak up.....! (Life of Brian, as if you didn´t know already).
Follow the gourd!
Always look on the bright side of life brothers.
@Stevo Devo Obviously he's referring to any manufacturers of dairy products.
YOU ROCK JEN!!!!!
neat to shout out to the group.