Biblical Argument for God | Robert - Long Island, NY | Talk Heathen 02.38
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- Talk Heathen 02.38 for September 23, 2018 with Eric Murphy & Jamie Boone.
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This grown man sounds like a child trying to explain their favorite fairy tale.
I agree. My parents are very judgmental fundamental Christians, and cannot answer logically and clearly my questions about "God's word," the Bible. It's so frustrating to have clear questions avoided, yet they insist I am deceived. It really is very childish and disrespectful to others.
Nichole..his IQ is so low that he could not understand logical arguments..no wonder he couldn't understand the verses in the Bible.
👏🏾👏🏾
He sounds like the drunk Lieutenant from Barney Miller.
@@MrYogiBell ppl! 1
This caller is a few dilithium crystals short of a warp drive.
He is gonna blow cptn !
I believe the technical term is.... whackadoodle.....
what makes him any different than every other religo they have on?
He's a few kyber crystals short of a Fully operational Death Star.
He's just a stupid fuck
The sad thing about true stupidity is that there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.. :(
That's not true. The fact that people can learn anything disproves your statement.
@@k1llrg0ldf1sh7 You are confusing ignorance with genuine stupidity. Ignorance has a cure: knowledge.
@@tomlutes3373 Stupidity has a cure also :education
@@k1llrg0ldf1sh7 No. That makes the assumption that all human brains are equally capable of learning and developing in the same way. Some people's brains may not be capable of learning and processing new information correctly.
As fun and cathartic as it is to mock the "Stupidity" of this man, I suggest that it's a strong possibility that we may be erroneously mocking a person with an intellectual disability.
Is has to be a troll.
Jeremy: "Do you believe Noah's flood really occurred?"
Robert: "No."
(5 Seconds Later...)
Jeremy: "Do you believe the Bible is literally true?"
Robert: "Yes."
Me: 🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Arguing that people would fight over functionally infinite food is like arguing that we are currently fighting over oxygen.
I love your "El Pollo Diablo" avatar pic!
Yes, at first, Robert may sound like a rambling idiot to you, but if you listen very carefully to what he is actually saying you will come to the conclusion that you are correct.
Mike B whoooooaaaas
I disagree, I would argue that at first he sounds like a rambling idiot but if you listen very carefully you will realize he's actually completely insane
A Boeseman ha
Around 10 minutes in, he sounded exactly like a AI bot breaking down.
Wow! Robert should never have kids. He have the bloodline of idiots!
"You're talking about the bible, you are not talking about facts" ... one of the best phrases ever.
Robert is the living example of cognitive dissonance!
BINGO!
"Biblical Argument for God" is literally a "Marvel Argument for Spiderman." UGH
Satyasya Satyasya I believe in dr strange, Spider-Man is a false prophet
Do you not believe in spiderman?
@@yichen1273 You know Spiderman is our saviour in your heart.
"Marvel Argument for Stan Lee"
Not only do I know Spiderman is real, but you also know Spiderman is real, because Issue #34 says that all men know Spiderman is real and are without excuse. 🧐
I just loved the part when a CZcams ad to go vote got to Robert as some sort of atheist conspiracy.
He definitely doesn't understand how CZcams works... "Your channel is right next to the gospel channel..."
Daniel, I know this doesn't have to do with anything, but I frikin' love your profile pic, dude.
Robert would you give a toddler a loaded gun ?
Robert: um let's talk about Hitler instead
Hm k cool
Jaime: "did you just baldly contradict yourself?"
caller: "yes. "
(confused, awkward silence)
caller: "so let me tell you about something else"
Jaime: "um...ok"
c'mon guys!! Matt would be yelling "DO YOU understand what a contradiction is? and how a contradiction allows you to conclude ANYTHING YOU WANT??"
This is my new favorite episode by far haha, the caller is seriously out of a cartoon
Any idea where he's from? New York somewhere?
Alberts stuff It says Long Island N.Y. on the screen.
@@thomaswigfield7623 oh yeah! FAIL 😂
@C E because I was blaaaaaaaaazed @_@
@C E also I was listening to it in bed, not watching it.
Hitler wasn't an atheist. In fact, he made several comments against atheists. He was anti-Semitic, not the same thing at all.
Facts don't matter to people like Robert
Ian D I don’t really think it matters if Hitler was Atheist or Theist when he was a live. Because with the Christian believe at the end of his life if he believe in Jesus he goes to heaven. Because the only sin that can’t be forgiven is the sin against the holy spirit. That’s what the bible says.
NickS Opinion
Don’t forget a ton of pedophile priests that did horrible things and then died of old age being “true Christians”! If Christianity is true- they are in heaven right now together with Hitler laughing at stupid atheists that questioned their faith! What a wonderful world!
Robert have, over several calls, displayed a total skewed viewpoint on the world outside his church, including that the Middle East is in peril because the people there believe in false prophets; that people in Northen Europe are pathetic introverts who can't conquest and prevail because unlike Americans they're atheists; that Africa is in such a poor state because religion never reaches there (this one is particularly false and annoying). I think there's nothing in his skull above his mouth.
Nicolas Broszky did you read my comment tell the end?
I love it when someone will say something like "in the 18 minutes we have left" and then there's still 40 minutes left in the video 😂😂
I love when Eric gets excited. You know it's gonna be good.
God could simply make food unnecessary to function.
Soy Boy
But then you would just be "Boy." I much prefer your name as is.
@@andrewcurley5006 He said make food unnecessary, not pointless. I still enjoy sex even though I use a condom. You don't have to get something out of something to be able to enjoy something.
I know it's a joke, and a good one at that. Soy Boy has a great point though.
@@meusana3681
I totally agree with the point. I was just going for some chuckles.
@@andrewcurley5006 That you were, and well earned at that.
@@meusana3681
Thanks! Cheers!
The frustrating part about Robert is that he keeps coming so close to getting their point but then misses it completely.
His fail-safes kick in and he reboots
Nah this guy is just a genuine fuckwit and the ONLY reason hes alive is cuz of warning labels on everything .... I bet a normal convo with this idiot goes like this
Me: i wonder if aliens exist
Rob: yea i agree sandwiches are good, and theres so much suicide in the world now
I think Robert just has a list of talking points that he is determined to use regardless if they fit the discussion or not.
Apparently God forgot to give this guy the capacity for abstract thought.
Oh my..... My 6 year old could follow that reasoning better then the caller...... I love how calm you guys are😀
Totally awesome Aron was actually there. While a viewer brought him up
Destroyed! I would have just hung up. Lol after making an ass of myself! Lolol Aron Ra in the audience, and he brought him up! Double trouble! Lol gg
The fact there are people this deluded saddens me. You gentlemen have an amazing amount of patience.
"Do you realize that the two things you just said contradict each other?"
"Yes. On to something else..."
How was this not pushed more?
Cloud Of Time maybe because it happened a million times 😂😂
"Dialogue. Paperwork."
Good lord I love this man. This man is my hero
« Specifically do you believe your god loses power over time ? »
Lmao
Robert seems like a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect to me, he hasn't used the "rational" part of his brain for so long that I don't think he even knows *how* to use it anymore, and he just doesn't seem to understand why that's an issue.
Just a recap, he said, no Noah's ark didn't happen, but yes I believe the bible is litteral....LMAO OMG, seriously.... my chest hurts.
thegoodlisteners listenwell
FlatEarthers and creationists CLAIM they use and understand science, that's one aspect of Dunning-Krueger!
80% of people think of themselves as above average intelligence, another aspect.
For example, I have a rough idea how basketball is played, but I don't know how much don't know about basketball.... i have no idea how big the subject is.
I studied mathematics at university, and because of that exposure to the subject I know that my knowledge of higher mathematical ideas is tiny!
When FlatEarthers and creationists explain the reasons why their little ideas are true, it always seems that they say they know everything about all the scientific fields involved, which is obviously not true.
Too wordy !
;●)
@@The1stMrJohn I think it's largely due to (whatever this is effect is named) how people can see dots and lines and create an image of out it even though nothing was intended. Like those ink blot tests. Once an uninformed person see "enough" they tend to complete the "picture". It's a survival method for identifying information in the wild. Unfortunately it also leads to wild assumptions.
thegoodlisteners listenwell
Are you referring to
Rorschach ink blots
mixed with something else?
Apophenia - the tendency to perceive a connection or meaningful pattern between unrelated or random things. It's more commonly associated with pareidolia for theists, when they find the face of Jesus on toast, etc.
Edit: but yes - exactly what tends to happen. They seem to think their "common sense" is stronger than cold hard math and science, and use the false positives as testaments to their faith, without ever stumbling over the logical fallacies used to construct their world view.
Must be extremely frustrating trying to reason with someone with IQ of 3
09:48 "Do you believe that Noah's flood occurred?"
"No"
"Do you believe the bible is literally true?"
"Yes"
I rest my case.
Christian dishonesty and lies make me physically sick.
as long as it doesn't make you sickly physical!
Poseidon63 true me too
Pretty sure he’s Jewish
@@JoshuaWillis89
Same Abraham Studios ©️ bullshit...
@@JoshuaWillis89
What makes you say that?
Please, do tell.
This guy is the king of dodging.
I don't think he's dodging. I think he's mentally deficient.
He is certainly dodgy!
I don't think he's dodging. He isn't following the singular "point by point" logic of the questioner as the host builds an argument step by step.
He isnt dodging. He's taking the hits straight in the face and he's just so punch-drunk that his nervous system is shot and he can't feel the pain.
The problem with this guy is he started talking
I can't believe how much patience you 2 guys have with this helpless individual
“Gawd sed If yew boited dat appul, yewr gunna diiiieee!” 😂😂😂
Have you read your bible today?
Brilliant. That caller was an absolute gift.
International viewer here. Watching your videos just confirms what I already suspected: too many people in the US scare me, too many of them sound completely insane, and if this is what we're getting at the beginning of the 21st century, I fear for the future.
WTF went wrong over there, guys?! How can a place filled with so many smart, wonderful people be simultaneously so packed with evil-natured nutcases?
Some people pray to God for salvation, but I'm almost praying to not-God for it myself. Religion destroys people's humanity, it seems. All these callers like Robert want is punishment for non-believers, revenge for their God, and to revel in their anger towards those who don't go along with their insanity.
I'm sending lots of love to you guys, because my lack of belief actually leaves me empty of hatred, and with plenty of room for good thoughts and hope that we become better when God finally leaves us alone.
(edited because CZcams comments formating is weird)
I guarantee you there are nutcases like this in your country too.
I owe Robert a debt of gratitude, as he's obliged me to reconsider a cherished core tenet: For most of my life I've resorted to a mock southern accent when attempting to personify raw, eye-watering levels of stupidity.
Oh I included New Jersey a long time ago...
He is... "foine"...
He is "mujdelizin'" them...
In the muddle ages, the religious "authorities" did not want the Bible translated into English.
William Tyndale, the most dangerous man in England, was burnt at the stake for doing it.
They knew, that if the general public were able to read the Bible, there would be trouble.
Having an English Bible was the beginning of the end. The entrance to the exit, as Popeye once said.
This guy does not have a debate or even a discussion. He is just preaching.
"Hey Rob, what would you like for lunch?"
"WELL THE NAZIS WOULD SAY THAT A CURRY WURST WOULD BE GOOD FOR LUNCH!"
I'm only a third through and this is already legendary.
I love the laughs in the background
And they say they are not sure if they are all atheists, I believe they all are
When logic is a foreign language...
I love Jamie’s ability to break down an inconsistency into very simple, logical steps and arguments.
Can't have a discussion with someone who doesn't even understand what a hypothetical is, or the ability to follow along with a logical argument that highlights a contradiction.
This is the best one I think I've ever seen. Jamie's reactions are perfect.
When callers start tap dancing around questions you guys should have a little cartoon guy dancing on the screen to some circus tune.
Maybe a cartoon of our carbohydrate Conrad the FSM
Crazy prayingmantis lol
That dude is not just tap dancing, that's riverdancing!
@@InsongWhang hahahahahahaha
hands down this is the best episode ever. God damn aron ra Jamie and Eric are amazing!
The Book of ERIC was written in the first person, not HEARSAY
Ouch! My brain hurts. Robert, please listen to what is being said to you. Try answering the questions being posed and not answering another question.
International listener!! Oh, oh, oh, that's me!!! Hi from Iran!
Hello wonderful Persian person !!
“ We’re going into the 19th century now” 😂
Wow - watching Robert, it was like watching an innocent animal being played with ... initally funny, but eventually a little sad.
Adolph Hitler considered himself a catholic
Yes and the Chatholics thought he was right about being the champion of God that would purify not just the world but their religion itself of those they consideres false belivers, hence Hitlers "Positive Christianity" and the entries in hos book where he condemn the clergy for using the religion to feed their greed.
Everyone has assholes in their family. Hitler was a Christian, Stalin and Mao were atheists, Bin Laden was a Muslim
@@derkaiser1306 How? Christianity was a core tennant of Nazism. You had to pledge yourself to God and Christ to even join. It's clear everywhere that Nazi Germany was strictly Christian. What is anti-theist about that?
@@derkaiser1306 It's prettt clear Hitler was actually theist, not anti-theist (and from the looks of it, not exactly Christian either). He definitely spoke about being a Christian, whether or not he believed it is under debate (academics don't think so). But too many of the things he reportedly said in private amount to him believing in some sort of creator, even if it's not necessarily the God of the Bible.
@@derkaiser1306 From one source: Not surprisingly, Hitler was much preoccupied with Christianity and the Catholic and Protestant churches in Germany. Weikart takes to task scholars, most notably Richard Steigmann-Gall, who, in part based on Hitler's early conciliatory tone toward the churches, concluded that Hitler was "a sincere Christian, at least until 1937" (p. 71). Weikart instead contends that "the evidence is preponderant against Hitler embracing any form of Christianity for most of his adult life" (p. 105). Aside from his vicious private condemnation of the churches and "Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness," a careful reading of Hitler's speeches that are often cited as proof of his Christian faith reveal such a distorted conception of Christianity that few would recognize it as such. Hitler endorsed a kind of Kampfchristentum (Christianity of the sword) that cast Jesus as "a pugnacious antiSemite" in order to persuade Christians to join in his persecution of Jews.
This explains the rash of air thieves I've been hearing about lately...
"How can you have your cake and eat it too?"
Robert - "because cake is a food and people are jealous"
👏
This hurts so much! Why is he so slow to understand really simple concepts!?!
Robert spends a lot of time watching courtroom dramas.
Robert fancies himself as a bit of a sexy law dog.
Robert has put on a suit and a fake pair of glasses and positioned a full length mirror so he can watch himself strut around whilst talking into his headset.
Sometimes he sits at a desk and shuffles papers.
Sometimes he pretends to address an imaginary jury.
when you're dead you don't know you're dead and the pain is felt by the others around you. The same thing happens when you're stupid.
I already lost it at the beginning, “are you affiliated with your cells” “your oRFICes” PPPPFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT
I can’t explain how epic Aaron showing up was
Robert do you have any children.
Robert: "no i do not"
Me: Oh thank fuck he didn't reproduce
Eric and Jamie are next generation. Talented, knowledgable and smart, already learning from their brilliant shows
Holy cow, that dude found out about the Atheist Conspiracy, now we will have to find where he lives so we can give him flowers and sweets........
This guy would be excellent at Dodgeball: he practically LIVES the 5 Ds: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and Dodge
More like Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb
I needed cheering up..thanks Robert! Guys you do a great job..
Would you call back again next week?
Priceless
I had to pause multiple times, due to pain created by his reasoning.
No Robert, you just can't keep talking and talking-- and hope God will put words in your mouth so you can skillfully wiggle out of all the corners Eric and Jamie are leading you into.
Despite all your faith and all your prayers, this ain't happening.
If Rob's God's best try at convincing the heathens then God's more impotent than piss.
There is a Cognitive dissonance of the highest order from the caller. These guys were freaking patient with him.
I love the audacity of Robert saying that "we're gonna have to move on from the Israel bible because we're moving on to the 19th century." When in any conversation has anyone ever just announced that the conversation was moving on?? How did he think that was gonna fly??
From 0:50 to about 1:40 I swear is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard in my life. From body cells to ORIFICES I come back this particular point of this particular video every now and then and laugh my ass off for a good ten minutes.
I called you a beautiful butterfly Robert.😂
Good job guys...Luv the cameo by AronRa too
"Would you give a toddler a loaded gun?"
"Well Hitler was a bad person"
I just burst out laughing and thinking 'wow, this guy is completely out of touch with reality"
I'm inclined to believe that Gary Milne/Darth Dawkins/Dunkin Donuts/EF has a multiple personality disorder and Rob of Long Island is one of them.
I want a kiss from Aron Ra! Too funny! 🤣
This is so good. It really shows how stupid beliefs are.
The use of logic starting at 16:16 that Jamie uses is absolutely awesome. Well done, Jamie. I wish all of you guys at the A.C.A. the best. Thank You.
Hi from Melbourne Australia! Addicted to all your shows!
I enjoy your channel as well as Atheist Experience. I love how you guys use logic and reason based evidence. I honestly am pretty agnostic as of late. Your shows have helped me see reality on reality's terms. I follow the ACA on FB and hope to get down to Austin to visit one day. I wish you guys the best in everything you do. Thanks again.
10:20 Nope no way would I have continued on. I won't continue a conversation with someone who knowingly holds contradictory beliefs.
Yeah, if I point out that two of your beliefs are in conflict, you acknowledge that they're in conflict, and then still refuse to give up either belief...I'm not interested in talking to you any more. What would be the point? You've just shown me that your brain doesn't work properly.
Unfortunately Robert is so poorly educated he doesn’t seem to realise that he holds contradictory beliefs. Or, if he does, is so stupid that he doesn’t realise the problem.
I watched Roberts first call a couple weeks ago and I've never seen anyone ramble so aimlessly, and I've watched a LOT of these videos.
Love you folks. This was a blast.
The foundations of morality are extremely simple. The religious, I suspect deliberately, over complicate it to create a problem for their imaginary friend to solve
I think it's more accurate to say the religious oversimplify the execution of morality - at least on the surface. They reduce morality to rules, but we all know that's not how it works. Very few theists actually think "thou shalt not lie" is a commandment that should always be adhered to.
Yes, although the over complication comes in via the interpretation of scripture in order to justify virtually any otherwise unwholesome act. For instance, while it isn't an actual verse, one repeated theme seems to be to "win the lost at all costs" - which justifies the lies you mentioned, as well as far worse. Without theism, we might still have some forms of "the ends justify the means" thinking, but I doubt it would be as prevalent in our society as it is now.
Speaking as someone who is also on the spectrum, I think Robert is autistic. He's hyper-focused on his own points to the point that he's unable to engage in meaningful dialogue about them. All he can do is reject the current conversational thread when he realizes he's hit a contradiction, and go back to parroting himself as if that explains it perfectly. He also takes every thought experiment you try to walk him through extremely literally. i.e., "That's Earth," instead of answering the more abstract question that was actually asked. My own "autistic superpower" is generally in being able to communicate with anyone but I'm not sure if Robert isn't a lost cause, at least on this topic.
This was really great you guys did a good job holding his feet to the fire.
This conversation was an Alderson loop.
That call was a fucking wild ride
The question: how many corners can one room have?
Answer: count how many corners this guy was backed into without him understanding he was backed into them.
Apparently this guy's room has 100 corners.
I think this might be my favorite show yet!!
One of my favorite episodes
huge pop for Aron Ra! I hope I spelled his name right...
Yes, you spelled it correctly😀
I am amazed by the gods the callers imagine... How can they believe in such jesters?
This is one of the most painful conversations I've ever listened to but I can't look away.
_”We make each other suffer”_
Ahh, *now* I see why he called…
the suffering will continue until moral improves.
How many Godless Heathen's had Aron been through by the time of his cameo
Wow, we are combative, aren't we now? 😂 This guy came in full of FAITH and swinging it like a club!
Loved this episode!