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To give another example with westerners, it’s like putting Vikings in Viking clothing from the 1000s in Serbia raiding a village in the very real and famous Serbian Steppe in the 1600s with Säkkijärven Polkka played on guitars with Spanish vocal style over the top.

i'm going to need a persian folk metal song called Fucking Turbans Fucking Scimitars Fucking Flying Carpets Magic Genie in a Lamp Sand Desert Camel Cobra

Shoulda used yodel for a real authentic Highland feel

28:50 lmao

It’s insane how different Serbian and Bosniak Kolo music is, totally different notes they like hanging around in

Your early comment of westerners being provided with what they have already been exposed to is so spot on. When watching Disney’s Moon Knight with an Egyptian show runner, they had pop music featuring actual Egyptian pop music. The viewing audience of Westerners LOVED the music. The show runner was happily shocked, that the audience liked actual Egyptian pop music. As a Westerner, I don’t understand why we can’t get more authentic pop music from other parts of the world. Some rap and other western mainstream artists sneak it in sometimes, but never in an authentic way. It’s really because the Western music industry executives truly think we are all stupid and limited and wouldn’t like being exposed to anything actually interesting. 😩 I love your example of how a movie set in your region of Iran would “look like” in a Western movie and it’s so true. They producers of the movie The Beach with Leonard DiCaprio did exactly that and imported in tons of palm trees as the real beach in Indonesia they used, does not have palm trees. They truly thought the Western audience wouldn’t understand a beautiful beach region without palm trees. 😩 I dream of visiting Iran. From what I actually have seen, it’s so beautiful. Subscribed.

Western nations' problem is not that they do not know enough about others, it's that they don't know enough about themselves.

My only constructive bit of feedback is that the sitar is more north Indian than South Indian. We use the Veena, which sounds similar. Nevertheless I enjoyed this! Kudos for the extra effort to make this authentic and spectacular

تاحالا تو عمرم کانال یوتیوب به این پرباری ندیده بودم. واقعا مرحبا

I did not expect you to make Tamil music, the south is generally overlooked. Great effort at making Tamil music. It's familiar yet different.

I did not expect you to make Tamil music, the south is generally overlooked. Great effort at making Tamil music. It's familiar yet different.

Beautiful and haunting!

Damn I've been aware of orientalism a bit particularly with regards to "mysticism" of cultures in general - directed mostly at east asia. I'd never even considered that music was within the sphere but you're totally right. Especially with regard to the traditional "orient", I've never heard once what the actual music sounds like. Just little snippets of "thematic background music" in movies. For whatever little bit of accurate representation eastern asia has been afforded, the middle east* has been given even less so in the media I've come across. Huge blindspot of mine. Thanks so much for the perspective. Really feel like I've had a meaningful point of personal ignorance corrected especially as someone interested in music, and excited to check out some new and authentic songs. Great video!

This is epic! The percussion sounds so intricate! And beautiful strings

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Fascinating, I had heard some of Ensemble Organum's work and found it compelling, but had never understood the historical justification (other than that surely mediaeval singing was different to modern classical singing). I will try to track down the book you referenced. One small point, improvisation was still common in Europe well after the baroque period. The fascinating book by Gjerdingen "Child Composers in the Old Conservatories" illustrates in a lot of detail the musical education that grew out of Naples in the 17th C and continued in the Paris conservatory until the dawn of the 20th C, which was essentially based on improvisation. He also describes how choristers in Toulouse were still improvising at St Etienne right up until then.

As the Spartans were so often described as as "the most musical and most warlike of peoples", I'm sure the ancient citizens of the Peloponnese would find this an absolute jam.

I really like the point made at around 6:00. The only reason these misconceptions continue is because people believe what they are told. It would be stupid to lie to someone for their whole life, and then only keep lying because you think they are too mentally fragile to have the truth. If people arent exposed to the truth, how are they meant to realize that they are being lied to?

And thanks to this piece, we have surf guitar. Incredible how music works - whoever wrote a piece sometimes never lives to see just how far down the ages their creation travels, or how it changes over its lifetime.

THANK YOU SO MUCH! Every moment, I'm nodding my head and saying YES!

This was fantastic.

21:08 As a actual French person the Pictures make me more cringe than the instrument. Paris is such a cosmopolite place I expect any music any culture can exist behind some streets. Those French Parisian cliché I'm tired of this so much...

We made Taco Bell as well, same same

THis song may have been written by my ancestor

Thank you, @faryafarajii for your music and art!

This man is gonna have me fall down a rabbit hole of Iranian modal music

great video, love seeing someone with the same views as me also wondering, why do arabs, turks and iranians call it maqam/makam? i've always wanted to call the area for the music the makamosphere, but i realize how wide-ranging that can be. what are the similarities between makams of different cultures, and how are they different?

Im here for more Occidentalist music

full William walce music when? great video

Honestly, i can only be honest, i know you were making a point by makeing that William Wallace meme song, but honestly, i kinda loved the result all the same. I think that might in part come from not being someone who cares for the idea of genera, and actualy loves when people go out of their way to break conventions to create a unique or unorthodox sound and identity. Like, if someone wanted to say that a charicter was of a specific culture or time period, i would be fine if they wrote their music to have nothing to do with the place they are from, as long as the net musical identity does a great job of showing who they are specifically. You could give an Australian caveman a hard rock theme song that incorperated a bit of playful rag on the side, and i personally would be all for that, as long as the music fits their individual identity, or helps contribute to that identity. Yes, i know, i am very weird. But yeah, i get your point loud and clear. I dont know scottish music, but that sure aint it. At the end of the day, i just came here to learn stuff, and i for one love learning about this kind of thing, not just in music.

so glad i stumbled upon this video!! ❤

I liked the orientalist music in the original Fallout game, the desert vibes some of the soundtracks go for set the scene for a decidedly american setting and desert.

One of my favourite things is mixed cultural music, but it’s usually music from a different culture mixed with music from a culture I know (usually some type of metal), but it has to be at least somewhat informed. It sounds so hollow when the cultural music being borrowed from has no understanding behind it. Makes it sound packaged and plastic, even when I myself know little about the culture myself. It’s because I know the western part enough to know that we haven’t really deviated from western, just superficially added some ‘other’ sounds over the top EDIT: I used ‘western’ here for the standard part, but folk western can also be the ‘other’

If they make a new William Wallace film, please do the soundtrack

39:36 I would love to find myself in a shawarma oasis. That sounds like bliss😂😂

I'm here because Adam Neely is, according to comments on his IG, busy making a baby. Also your shit is good.

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Yes the duduc is definitely Armenian, I wish modern Iranian music would be absorbed by the rest of the world like it's cinema.

I've never seen this channel before but this was impressive and entertaining, if a little long! The turbans and scimitars stereotype brought to mind an interview with Ridley Scott discussing some of the choices made in Kingdom of Heaven. He said he initially wanted the crusaders to wear plate armour as that's how he envisaged them, despite plate armour being totally anachronistic. Somehow, thankfully, he managed to be convinced otherwise, but the instinct to go with his stereotypical presupposition rather than with history was strong (though don't worry, there are other ahistorical moments in the movie). And that seems to be the driving force behind a lot of missed opportunities in Hollywood when it comes to representations of history or, indeed, the world. I never really understood it, it's not that I expect everything to be historically or culturally perfectly accurate, but I often find that reality is far more interesting than whatever we can dream up ourselves, and a genuine attempt at reflecting it can be so much more enriching than returning to the same tired old tropes. Which is also to say that orientalism is really just one facet of western media reductionism: for proof of that, do a search for "mediaeval music" on youtube, and you'll get the mediaeval equivalent of "Princess of Persia". No one is alive from that era to be offended by it, but it is just as nonsensical.

I think you saying "Well im sure it does snow SOMETIMES in the sahara but you get my point" is actually a perfect analogy, there MAY be some extremely rare niche cases, but as a rule of thumb it doesn't happen.

Honestly the mish-masheed uropean stuff was kinda awesome, william wallace rocked, and so did the cretan music over paris

Every time I watch your videos I learn so much that I can apply to making and listening to music and really appreciate it. I have distant Persian ancestry and it's really cool to learn more about it. Also your hair is beautiful bro, what do you do to it?

I had this EXACT problem as a Westerner. At one point years ago I started wondering if "oriental" music was made in any key other than double harmonic minor, and for the life of me couldn't figure out how to find anything authentic. Like, as an utter layman, any search words I could think of kept taking me back to the same nonsense no matter how hard I tried.

A lot of it is just a function of how the brain doesn't want to deal with too many unfamiliar 'others' of information that it hasn't yet been able to process and understand, so it lumps them together. It's somehow cognitively 'comfortable' to do this, hence stereotypes are created.

Don't forget to check out my track "American Western George Washington Cowboys Fast Cars Marilyn Monroe Epic American Gunslinger Music" coming soon. I think this Occidentalist Music sounds ruritanian, which is making up a European style country either based off existing European countries or being vaguely European. Which I personally think Orientalist music would be fine if they didn't ascribe it to just one culture, or think middle east is just one big culture.

Idk what's already on your channel, but I'm here for deep dives into (was "ethnomusicology" the term you used?) Can't wait to dive into your library!

As a Catalan, I totally understand the feeling of being musically misrepresented (on a much smaller level) when images of Barcelona are put together with flamenco, which is a style totally unique to Southern Spain, because "it's all Spain anyway" . (go listen to Cobla Principal de La Bisbal or maybe Port Bo for authentic catalan folk music and see how wildly different it is)

If it makes you feel better, the same thing happens with American folk music. There is zero accurate representation of American old time music in film, the most recent example I've seen would be the newest hunger games movie. They had bluegrass musicians on the soundtrack too, and those should be ashamed of themselves that perpetuated the idea and preconceptions. Even the closest representation in that franchise would be the wedding scene in the second or third movie, and they have someone playing a traditional fiddle tune but its a classically trained violinist with all the technical anachronisms that come with that background, and she is playing an arranged version of the tune that 'unrealistic' is too weak a word to describe.

Just started watching this, but this is so informative, I really appreciate this as a westerner. I’ve heard for a long time that the “middle eastern” music is totally inauthentic, but I’ve never heard before what the real stuff sounds like