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Josh has been brewing around one of the new Commanders Mairsil, The Pretender. Can he steal ALL the activated abilites? Make sure to check out the decklist below.
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Just FYI, Mairsil is male. He's the guy who trapped Ith (i.e. Maze of Ith) inside a cage, hence the cage counter mechanic on his card.
whats totally nuts is I was reading some old card from legends a month ago (i forgot what it was) whose flavor text was a quote from mairsil, and I had never heard of this character before. Literally at the same time, while reading the card I saw the C17 spoilers on wizards and found this new Mairsil, I couldnt believe the timing!
It was a crazy coincidence!
lol i also reference him as Him or Her when it comes to my play group
Hearing my name in this episode made my day
Woah your name is Mairsil the Pretender?!
Haha
Hehehe
I think he only pretends to be ;)
Yay! Glad you got the shout out PP!
Lol. Instead of a gilded lotus there was a black lotus on display at 22:35
It would actually not be that silly in multiplayer EDH
that's just not relevant. Terry just put the wrong card up
Darn you said it I just was going to put the exact comment lol
Also, it says activate EACH of these abilities once per turn, not this ability once per turn
Ok thats what I was reading, I am building a deck right now with him and yes the rules are each ability once per turn not his ability once per turn
Just to let you guys know, Mirage mirror can target itself. This means mairsil can target himself and become a copy. When you do this you can then activate all the abilities again, cause it's technically a different ability than was activated before. This is probably the easiest way to go infinite with mairsil that I found.
Mirror of the forebears is good in this case too
Pro Skyrim Mlg Mirror of the Forebears only works if you actually play it though, not if you cage it, since no creature type was chosen and hence can't target anything
Very true.
Mirage Mirror would work the same as Quicksilver Elemental, in the sense that you can activate all of the abilities you want an additional time. You can still only use the Mirror's ability "once each turn".
Foxboy93 as long as mirrage mirror is exiled with a cage counter on it, it's exactly the same. The "copy" of mairsil will gain a new mirage mirror ability and be able to go infinite.
Nice deck Josh! What about Morphling though? I'm shocked that you didn't mention it or add it to your deck! One fun combo is make Mairsil become the target of a spell with Spellskite , then using Torchling to change the target to something else.
I had looked at him and did some brewing myself already. One card that feels like it could be really good is Illusionists Bracers. It has dis-synergy with the bounce and flicker effects since it costs 3 to equip but it allows you to double many of his abilities, including the untap ones. Another card that I like for the deck is Cavern Harpy since you can bounce him to your hand whenever you want to put more cage counters on stuff or protect him from removal (since he will always cost 4 from your hand). With a haste enabler and enough mana rocks on him it might even let him go infinite.
My first event deck that got me back into Magic had a Deadeye Navigator in it. We've been soul bounded ever since!
New studio hype! I can't wait for the next episode. Really like how well passed this video was and the Segway game was so good.
Great deck tech as always guys!! Mairsil was the only legend from this set that as soon as i saw it i thought 'must build asap'. I also have plans for a nazahn voltron deck but mairsil is my absolute favourite general from c17. This video gave me some good ideas i didnt think of as well as showing why a couple of cards i had in the deck arent quite as good as i thought
Cool deck tech! Nice to see the brewers at work with this one and to hear all the ways you can manipulate the rules of the game in your favor with Mairsil.
What prevents me from building these types of decks though is that they are going all in on the commander. It doesn't have a back-up plan/several different routes to victory (they all use Mairsil). One Song of the Dryads or Linvala and chances are you are reduced to a spectator for the remainder of the game. Maybe you can add more cards that help you cope with the Achilles heel of the deck consistently (more counters or versatile removal?) if that is a situation you find yourself in too often.
Might be an interesting topic for an episode btw: understanding your deck's Achilles heel and taking that into account in your build.
Keep up the good work guys!
There are just so many ridiculous possibilities! You have inspired me to experiment with Mairsil.
45:45 - 46 I laughed so hard! Haha! I had a feeling that was coming as soon as Josh's face lite up!
I didn't expect to enjoy this, but it's been one of my favorite episodes in a while. Wow, what an interesting commander
I agree but during this convention in time we must stay together and not falter away from our bound duty paths. We are not united by Mother Nature, instead we are steel willed and will not fight for the depths of humanity to purge it back into the abyss again. Know thy task brethren, we are kindle bound and will not mercy others, but until then, MAZAKURAH!!
@@yesno4065 right on brotha.
Third mention/sighting of Ben Bateman today, dude is everywhere! Schmoedown, TV Fights and now here. Good for you man! #TeamAction
Prognostic sphinx is an AMAZING card in this deck.
For discarding a card, you can give hexproof to meirsil until end of turn. You have to tap it, but it is NOT IN THE COST, so you can use it multiple times in each different turns and toss cards you actually want to put cage counters on, protecting mairsil even further.
I love all the different ways this deck can go. I've been running Mairsil as a grixis reanimator deck and use him as a second copy of the big finishers. 2 cards that have been all stars for me have been Oona, Queen of the Fae who provides blockers/deck disruption and Cavern Harpy which has been great at getting Mairsil out of trouble mana free as well as being another sick combo with the disk. Great video as always!
Yeah I love how you can go in different directions with Mairsil! Combo, Voltron, or Reanimator.
Reanimator is the direction that I've been thinking of going. It works perfectly since you want to play cards that draw and discard to fill up your graveyard for Mairsil, and you can dump large creatures with enter the battlefield triggers that you can reanimate with Havengul Lich, Hell's Caretaker, and my favorite Chainer, Dementia Master. I also like Oona, Queen of Fae in a Marsil deck, as well as Ghoulcaller Gisa in a reanimator deck. With Ghoulcaller Gisa and Dementia Master each turn if you have a ton of black you can bring a creature back for BBB and get a enter the battlefield trigger, then pay B, tap Mairsil, and sacrifice the reanimated creature to get a bunch of 2/2 tokens.
T Hof key card I'm finding is Quicksilver Elemental, get it on Mairsil and remove the once per turn limitation
Yep. That's one of the best cards in a Mairsil deck no matter what direction you go. Josh and Jimmy did mention that card and explain being able to remove the once per turn limitation in this video.
XenoSmasher I had to shoot off part way through so must've missed its mention
Ah! That makes sense.
I thought Mairisil would be fun to brew around, but seeing this episode blew me out of the water! Definitely going to build a Marisil deck (which is hilarious because I usually play decks with green).
Aetherling + tree of perdition makes aetherlings third ability relevant.
combo:
Cauldron of Souls(tap: any number of target creatures gain persist until end of turn)
Leech Bonder(etbs with 2 -1/-1 counters and has U untap: move a counter from one creature to another)
Altar of Dementia(Sac a dude: target player mills equal to the sac'ed creatures power)
add any source of haste and you've now got U, put a -1/-1 counter on target creature: target player mills four(or whatever Mairsil's power is at the time) and trigger Mairsil's etb. it's a great way to fill up your graveyard and build up some massive Mairsil combo, the only limit is your blue mana and how many times you can put -1/-1 counters on other creatures, both can be fixed by exiling more stuff, namely blue mana producers and token makers.
also, you didn't have them in that tappedout deck so might as well mention the Artifact Lands, since you could play them or let Mairsil cage them so he can make mana.
closer camera yess.. love it
Supercool backdrop, nice to see how your show develops
Concerning the content: sometimes I miss some structure when you talk about decks. I would love a segment(like stats) about "win cons" where you specifically talk about the aim of the deck and how you kill other people or win in general. Bringing in some focus at the end of all the cards you talk about, would be nice.
Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason that you don't include Training Grounds?
Ben Sherson
Good question
@josh
Worse case scenario you can exile sol ring if it was wiped off the board and combo Pili-Pala to have mana ramp ( tap for 2 colorless, then un-tap for two colorless and add one mana of any color) This will not only allow an additional tap but a mana fixer if needed.
I think you overlooked a big part of using Mairsil with Tree of Perdition; her toughness also becomes whatever the opponents life total was before you exchanged them!!
That's why after killing a player with the Tree of Perdition + Hateflayer combo, you flicker Mairsil. That way, he becomes a 4/4 again.
Yay I have Marsil so I can make this! You should do more with the professor
Caging Mirage Mirror also lets Mairsil dodge his own Niv's Disk ability by becoming a land or a Darksteel Ingot or the like. 3 mana to destroy everything else each turn seems pretty nice...
While making this deck more budget friendly for me I discovered a nice combo. I replaced Wheel of Fortune with Magus of the Wheel. Activate Cauldron of Souls giving Mairsil persist then sac him for the wheel effect and he reenters with a -1 counter and a new caged card!
I am watching this on the week where Post Malone is on Game Knights! 🔥
Oh my goodness! I remember that song! Haha! I see what you did!
What about my boy reassembling skeleton or other things like him. Activated abilities exist in the graveyard too.
One of my favorite cards for mairsil lol
-1/-1 counters on tree of perdition is wonderful! also maybe having like a horror of the dim in your deck so mairsil can get that extra protection!
Agree with you on Panharmonicon... I left that one out of my Mairsil Legendary Tribal deck...
I feel like Shifty Doppelganger could be an interesting addition to a Mairsil deck. You can use the 3U ability to protect Mairsil, refresh the abilities and/or Sneak Attack a creature from your hand. And then, when he comes back he can exile the creature you just cheated in if you want to.
this is a nice addition.
good video guys. deck techs are your best work
Nice set guys
When you use Maria and Megan in your examples I always hope you will bring them to Game Knights.
Would love to see you guys change up feline ferocity with a go wide strategy in mind, cards like beast master ascension and Eldrazi monument could be good! (Plus beast masters ascension has tigers on it!)
I think a torchling is needed aswell if your running aethling. The value is just real
Gotta admit I wasn't too sold on Marisil when I first saw him but after this episode I'm looking forward to the idea of playing around with him.
I love the studio guys
If Josh likes activated abilities so much, he should play Experiment Kraj. He's a really fun commander
I can attest to the insanity of repeatable Larry Niven's Disc; I was running the Breya deck and went wide-eyed for having both the Disc and Soul of New Phyrexia in play. 6 mana every turn = swift scoops.
I just started testing the mirror. Paying 2 to copy something that makes 2 or less mana is a nonbo. where it does work is copying static abilities. Q: when does "end of turn" effects interact with Mirror. eg. : playing against Atraxa, I would hold up 2 so Atraxa doesn't want to attack (protection), then on end of last turn (or beginning of my upkeep), I use that 2 to copy nix weaver to dump another 2 cards in my yard.
Other cool ability cards not mentioned:
Morphling (you can use *each* of it's abilities each turn, flying/shroud/untap)
Memnarch (the fact that his steal ability isn't a tap ability and swings the game matters)
Ambassador Laquatus (to use infinite mana and counter some tutors)
Dralnu Lich Lord (better if you play more counters/draw/interaction)
Pestillent Souleater
Khalni Gem
Null Brooch (stop non-creature combo/bombs all day, dump Anger)
Goblin Welder
Waterfront Bouncer (especially if you also play Gilded Drake)
Enabler cards not mentioned:
Cavern Harpy (good protection too)
Pemmin's Aura
Dark Imposter (as Quicksilver Elemental #2 and possibly replacing Necrotic Ooze if your grave is often empty of creatures)
Dimir House Guard (cage to give Mairsil regen or tutor for Quicksiver or Anger or something else at 4 mana)
Careful Study / Frantic Search / Faithless Looting to fix hands early and get Anger in grave
Essence Flux
Perplex (counter a spell, or tutor for; Quicksilver Impostor, Thousand-Year Elixir, Ambassador Laquatus, Capsize, or other 3 mana stuff.
Compulsion/Whispers of the Muse/Braingeyser (decent draw that finds you a Capsize/Ambassdor or is a finisher if you get infinite mana)
I think Havengul Lich is too mana intensive and runs against the the general exiling your creatures from the grave.
Also if you play more instant speed interaction, putting up the 4UU in one turn main phase to get out Deadeye Navigator is going to leave you a bit shields down just when people really start getting worried about you.
Rules question I'm curious about: If Mairsil cages a creature with the embalm ability and I then let him go to the grave. Does he have all the caged abilities when he's in the grave too? And if that's the case could I embalm a token copy of him into play and then send the card to the command zone? If I cage a creature with unearth can Mairsil unearth himself when in the grave?
i do not know if he gets the abilities out of the battlefield, in this case you would never send him to the command zone again as i was wondering about eternal scourge alike recursions, "torrent elemental" in this case.
Torrent Elemental has a partly green color identity in the hybrid mana cost of the ability though, so would be illegal in a Mairsil deck.
lol i saw it wrongly as blue/black.
You missed Cauldron of Souls, four mana artifact with tap: any number of creatures gain persist. it's not hard to get rid of one -1/-1 counter, heck, Leech Bonder has an untap symbol and was built around moving -1/-1 counters.
As for the Amonkhet keywords, he'd gain them while he is on the battlefield, but while he's in the graveyard he wouldn't have them. his ability is what gives him the Caged abilities, but since it doesn't state that he has them in all zones they aren't active off the battlefield.
If this weren't true all abilities and effects would be active from the graveyard, for example, Crested Sunmare would be able to put 5/5s on the board and have the tribal indestructible even after you killed it.
Dark Imposter won't work, it only copies the exile ability
Im outraged! I basically only tune in to hear you guys go "JUG-JUG-JUG-JUG-JUG... STATS" and you let me down.
You let me down, but I love you.
great deck teck. cant w8 for the 1 with ramos . keep it up
Nice gilded lotus at 25:50 :^)
All feels right with the world, they are back on the correct side of the table.
Wow ! The deck is Sweet
September 20th? That's my birthday. The hype is real.
Remember the old felwar stones. They had Marsil Flavor text. You should check it out
With so many activated abilities, would it be worth running [Training Grounds] to help make them cost less? Big fan of you guys keep up the good work!
I know this video is old but, its mair-sil not mari-sil lol. Also I like that this card can activate each of its activated abilities once per turn. Having 2 -5 abilities with untap and bounce potential makes it very strong. It can also lose negative aspects of a card like Basalt Monolith or Cauldron of eternity.
Thank you for the normalized name for the show!
you couls use strionic Resonator to copy the etb trigger from mairsil. the Resonator can also be imprinted by mairsil and he can copy his own trigger (if he has haste)
The tap ability of Minion of Leshrac would be a pain for decks centered around Noyan Dar's ability.
If Mairsil has a caged mirage mirror and copies himself, can he use all of his abilities again? Would that work?
I love your channel guys keep with the good work
I think my favorite smashing pumpkins joke was when I was playing the Kitty commander deck and made the joke, "Aside all my rage, I am still just a rat on a page."
I have a colorless deck with Kozilek, the Great Distortion as the commander and it's very powerful :D
For Josh ho said that you like this card but never knew where to put it
Inane, death Aspect > gets mirror-mad phantasm > cage mirror-mad > activate > cage dimir doppelgänger > copy lab maniac and draw a card -> win game
Ethan Stephens Mirror-mad phantasm doesnt work this way. I wanted to make it viable also, but mirror-mad phantasm needs to find a card named "mirror-mad phantasm" - If you want to reveal until Mairsil, you will mill yourself to death, as the ruling if mirror-mad phantasm doesnt allow for it.
Ethan Stephens Mirror-mad phantasm asks for a card named: "Mirror-Mad Phantasm" - not for the name "Mairsil, the pretender"
The point is milking yourself to be able to combo off with everything in your graveyard that is needed to win
"Ths Point is milking youself"..okay i can get behind that but this is magic bro, keep you dirty thoughts out. ;-)
Yeah and this doesnt work. You DECK yourself, instead of putting everything in the graveyard. You literally lose the game as soon as you try to use "Mirror-Mad Phantasms" ability with Mairsil.
It does not work with Mairsil.
So it doesn't work, unless you want to lose on purpose.
The rules of this card literally state:
9/22/2011 : If no card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm is revealed (possibly because it was a card copying Mirror-Mad Phantasm or it was a token), all cards from that library will be put into their owner’s graveyard.
9/22/2011 : If another creature (such as Necrotic Ooze) gains Mirror-Mad Phantasm’s activated ability, its owner reveals cards until he or she reveals a card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm.
Anger and Entomb seem really good in this deck.
Do you think adding Mindreaver would be good? The activated ability on Mindreaver is "{U}{U} Sacrifice ~: Counter target spell with the same name as a card exiled with ~"
"gilded lotus" black lotus on screen :D 22:45
22:55 thats the wrong lotus ^^
Loved the episode guys. Any reason you're not running conjurer's closet? Seems like it would be great in this deck.
You could play "Freed from the Real" too!
I would like to see you guys make a Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith deck. I haven't seen a good one yet that can hang with most decks.
Use Sakashima the Impostor to copy Mairsil, The Pretender. Also, it enters play as a functional copy, so that another card can be exiled for a cage counter.
I think this deck needs some more flicker effects in the form of instants (not just like 2 activated abilities). Also, training grounds here is king
I know you do not like infinite combos, however cauldron of souls + mindslaver + flicker + haste enabler does let you control your opponents for the rest of the game. It takes a lot of cards but I've Ben playing mairsil since he was spoiled and I have done it more time than I should be able to.
It says that you may activate EACH of those abilities each turn. So am I understanding correctly that for every card exiled with a cage counter on it may be activated once this turn, not just one card but all with cage counters?
B Kinney exactly.
There's even an entry on the rulings section for this card.
"If multiple cards exiled with cage counters on them have the same ability, Mairsil will have multiple instances of that ability. Each may be activated once each turn."
gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=433282
Yep, that is indeed how it works. If you have an Oona, Queen of the Fae and a Aetherling, for example, you can activate one ability from each during the turn.
Baalphegor according to the text on the card you can activate all of the abilities of both cards on the same turn.
Eric Hughes "You may activate each of those abilities only once each turn" This means each of the abilities on each card that you own in exile with a cage counter may be activated only once on each of anyone's turn. Some abilities such as that of Quicksilver Elemental when caged can target mairisil to "refresh" all abilities for 1 more use for the low price of U. This can be repeated once for each blue mana available to you. Cage a guilded Lotus along with an untap ability and you are infinite with infinite mana! Cheers
I would consider adding Chainer, dementia master and Steel hellkite as pay-off. Also the basalt monolith + rings of brighthearth combo could be decent here, as both of the cards by themselves should be pretty good most of the time even by themselves. If someone is doing duel commander I just checked the banlist and I think griselbrand is unbanned, should be pretty good.
Training grounds and illusionist's bracers should be somewhere there i think.Also i would play panharmonicon since Mairsil will have too many targets either at gy or hand to copy their abilities.
i like the tech for marsilius but i have built five color ramos which is good against my playgroup i am exited for that vid
I know there are time constraints on the video, but it felt like you spent so little time on protection. Soul of New Phyrexia is probably the hardest one to use. But things like Mirror-Mad Phantasm, Ovinomancer, Cephalid Inkshrouder, and Cavern Harpy are all great and easier to activat. Mirror-Mad is secretly incredible since it can easily dump a bunch of your library into the graveyard and letting you cage your best thing immediately while avoiding any targeted removal (I imagine this is also where Lab Man as a win con comes in).
I feel like Intruder Alarm could be good here too... just lets you abuse any tap abilities every time an opponent plays a creature. Probably meta-dependent, but could be good.
A couple cards I didn't see on EDHREC: Heartless Hidetsugu seems like a fun way to just start destroying people's life totals (my playgroup has a Trostani player so things like this are always necessary). Volrath of the Fallen is both a discard outlet and a pump spell. Since creatures in this deck seems to be big an bulky you could easily start killing off the weak or taking people out in combo with Pestilent Soul Eater.
Spellskite seems useful depending on your meta (aura-tron, targeted pump spells/ability like Roon of the Hidden Realm, Venser planeswalker, etc).
You forgot the best activated ability wincondition of all time: the 20 mana activated ability of Spawnsire of Ulamog.
Nuff said xD
It's a pretty shit common from Gatecrash but I figured Horror of Dim might work as nice protection. It has one blue to give it hexproof until end of turn. Nice way to sneak in hexproof on Mairsil.
Despite all my rage I'm still just a guy in a cage
Few months late but this seems like a super fun deck!
Well I wasnt sure about what to do with the precon and was considering Kess. This seems way more interesting though.
If Mairsil has Nev's Disk and Aetherling and you flicker in response to the disk ability activation, wouldn't the disk ability fizzle since Mairsil (the one doing the ability) is exiled when you get to it on the stack?
Matthew Heim nope. Nevs say destroy xyz not sacrifice it and destroy. Nevs doesnt have to be on the battlefield. Same reason you cant just simply bolt a creature in response to it using its ability. Ofc there are exceptions.
I'd include Pack Rat. If Mairsil cages Pack Rat, you can start paying 2B to put a token that's a copy of Mairsil and cage an extra card. Then, you can either sacrifice the token and keep the original Mairsil; or you can sacrifice the older Mairsil and keep the new one, refreshing its "once per turn" clause.
And if you stack with mirage mirror, you can just start making tokens of whatever you copied
I like the way you think
knacksaw Clique, Training Ground seem good for Mairsil.
I was in exactly in the same spot with Panharmonicon in my Meren deck. had to cut it.
One thing i think might be cool and add some cards that are good too flicker you can add conjuer's closet
While it is true that Deadeye Navigator can reset Mairsil in regards to using the same ability again, that will not work with tap abilites because it is summoning sick, right? So unless you can give it haste all these tap abilities cannot be used again.
Another song that could have been a good choice for an opener is Rusty Cage by Soundgarden 👍.
Instead of playing Horseshoe Crab I recommend Morphling. He does the same, but also gives additional protection
Here's an idea to go with the tree of perdition/hateflayer combo: use treasonous ogre with it. Once you have done exiled those three cards, assume you are all at 40 life in a commander game.
Tap Mairsil, put enemy 1 at 4 life, pay 9 life to get 3 red Mana, hateflayer enemy 1 to death. Do this two more times.and you win. You need to pay a total of 27 to kill everyone on the board.
Do this to and on the turn of the player who comes right after you in the turn order to effectively end their turn, and proceed turn order-wise to just destroy them all. Make sure you use a haste enabler to do this right after you play him.
You need to flicker Mairsil after killing a player before redoing the combo again as you would have exchanged Mairsil's toughness with the other player's life total.
So let's say player 2 had 40 life, doing the combo would kill player 2, but then Mairsil would be a 4/40 creature. So unless you flicker him to make him a 4/4 again, it would not work.
Maybe a bit of a late comment but I saw at least in thing on your deck list I want for my deck now that being said the lack of a not to mad oahtasm baffles me as it's an easy way to enable an auto win
The link to tappedout is being weird on mobile. I'd love to compare this to my list :) keep up the awesome content
4:28 to by pass the silly
My friend used to use eater of the dead in his Phenax deck....it wasnt fun to play against
How do you guys feel about Mercurial Chemister? The red activated ability is decent removal and lets you reuse it again
Plus draw
Hi, i have a ruling question for Marsil
If you exiled Nicol Bolas the Raveger with the Marsil abillity, can you use the transform abillity and get the plainswalker ?
Becoes i found a ruling for Marsil with tranform abillity and it sad that it does everything but flip becoes the card usely flips on the field but bolas doesnt becoes he comes from exile...and thats why i wonder is this a combo?
Or instead of caging the Quicksilver Elemental you can use it to copy all the activated abilities of Mairsil and just bypass the "once per turn" restriction.
Caging Quicksilver Elemental is what bypasses the once per turn gimmick.
Everytime you use QSE's ability when caged, you get to use all of Mairsil's abilities again, including QSE. So as long as you have the mana, you have basically no restrictions.
More Frequent game knights please I love that series ^_^
I went imprint tribal with cards like gonti's aether heart and prototype portal