LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS EXTENDED VERSION | FIRST TIME WATCHING | MOVIE REACTION (PART 1/2)
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Gollum was portrayed with a split personality
Wizards look like old men but they're actually from a race of angelic beings called Maiar & sent by the God of Middle Earth to help the peoples fight & defeat Sauron (also a Maia, as were the Balrogs).
Sauron himself is a maier he was subdued be melkor who was one of the valar who fell from grace in the years of the trees and his melkor's downfall would end the first age so sauron would take up his masters work during the second and third age.
Aragorn's ring is not a ring of power. It is the Ring of Barahir, a symbol of the kings of Numenor, which eventually came to Aragorn. It is, in fact, one of the most ancient artifacts in Middle Earth, thousands of years older than the rings of power.
"Frodo is 51 years old. That makes him older than Boromir." Boy, do you have a surprise coming!
Also, hobbits age differently than human. They come of age at 33, so Pippin, being 29 (or thereabout) is still a "teenager"... I think making Frodo younger in the movies help visualise his "youth" in matters of the world, so to speak. How unprepared for this whole ordeal he is.
The White is just the head of the order of the Istari, the wizards. Gandalf the Grey becoming Gandalf the White is essentially Eru Iluvitar (the god of Tolkien’s univers) sacking Saruman
one of the most underrated moments in the whole trilogy is when Hama stops Gamling from going to Theoden's "aid". Truly shows just how intuitive he is, and the movies don't even do his character justice.
the Elven rope & cloaks were woven not just with thread but enchantment to aid the owner. what seemed to Sam like a poorly tied knot was actually the rope untying itself now the knot was no longer useful.
Yeah, magic is not usually "magic" but an ability greater than what others have. Craftsmanship and wisdom. Like, elves can weave in a different level that humans so there crafts have an elevated touch to it. More properties.
Also that is the reason Gollum cannot stand the rope or stomach elvish bread. It was created by creatures of good and light and Gollum it way to corrupted by the darkness to take it.
Viggo actually broke his toe when he kicked the Helmut so it was a real scream if pain & they left it in lol.
Gollum really is a wretched creature. It is amazing how Tolkien played with the dark & the light in characters. You end up caring for characters you never thought you would.
Something the GOT author was inspired by in his storytelling as well.
I love how every reactor instantly says kill this character or that character, but also praised the line in the first movie, Gandalf replies, "Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." Just saying, it was an amazing wise line that gets ignored as soon as the film ends.
Reactors are so used to watching movies that make very little of dealing out death wantonly.
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The wizards are spirit beings exactly the same as Sauron.
The 'white' was a title held for the head of the wizard Council.
It was supposed to be for the most pure and wise.
At this point in the story Saruman is 'multi-coloured'; his study of the ring and the ways to destroy it, the primary task of the wizards, was too deep and he started to desire the ring and slowly lost his purity.
When Gandalf is returned to Middle-Earth, after fighting for 8 straight days! Ultimately defeating the Balrog (who is another corrupted spirit being) there was no longer a white wizard in Middle-Earth, hence why he can claim the title.
Before the wizards ventured into Middle-Earth Gandalf actually could have legitimately claimed the role of white, however, he chose to let Saruman have the title as it also comes with the keys to the tower in Isengard and Gandalf didn't want to be tied down to a single place. He was wise enough to know the destruction of the ring would be a trial for all the peoples of Middle-Earth and so instead of solely studying like Saruman, Gandalf spent a lot of time travelling around building trust and relationships.
25:00 When Saruman betrays everyone and imprisons Gandalf at Isengard, Gandalf notes before their fight that his "white" robes are actually shimmering with all the colours of the rainbow. When asked, he refers to himself as "Saruman of Many-Colours" among other things. This would technically leave the white wizard "position" vacant.
Its never made explicitly clear what the colours mean, but we can infer that they're kind of like jobs or roles. That's what Gandalf means when he says he **is** Saruman, his duty has changed in light of his sacrifice and rebirth.
18:30 Yes, he broke a finger on his foot. It's what distinguishes the Dúnedain from lesser men who have toes instead.
Adding to your comments about Merry and Pippin in the beginning. They all hung out with elder cousin Bilbo. Long ago one of them, Merry or Pippin, had actually spied Bilbo putting on his ring and disappearing (to avoid some awkward social encounter), so they knew something about the magical ring long before Frodo told them. They formed a conspiracy to go with Frodo when they sniffed out that Frodo was planning to leave the shire. And there was even an additional member of the team: Fatty Bolger, whose job was to stay behind in the Shire and try to conceal the fact that Frodo had left.
And actually a Fatty Bolger is portrayed as a hobbit extra in the party scene just as a bow to him, but the “real” Fatty Bolger is not in the movies.
I've heard about Fatty, somebody commented though they didn't mention his name. But I didn't know that they've seen Bilbo putting the ring on and disappearing. Thanks for the additional info :)
@@CinemaWithH You will get far more enjoyment from the movies if you read the books. Not just the Rings trilogy. For greatest understanding you need to read "The Silmarillion". Think of it as a condensed history of Middle Earth. The movies take place in just a minor part at the end, the Third Age. The battles in the First Age make the opening scene in the first movie seem like a gentle scuffle. And Sauron was only a lieutenant to the original Dark Lord. Morgoth was on a power scale far higher!
@@CinemaWithH Hey Henry, where are you from and where do you live?
To answer your question about the Nasghul/Ring Wraiths. Neither Aragorn nor Arwen killed any of them. The Nasghul are neither living nor dead so almost impossible to destroy.
That is not a dragon. Tolkien called them fell-beasts. The only dragon is seen in The Hobbit.
Merry and Pippin end up being the tallest hobbits in the Shire after drinking that water...lol.
Don't forget the tales about the the fall of Gondolin, the tales of Húrin and Glaurung, the tales of Ancalagon the Black, the tales of the fire and cold drakes of the north driving off the dwarves after the fall of Moria... anyways, there's a lot pf mentions of dragons, but none have as much detail as the one in the hobbit
True, while the flood at Bruinen did kill most of the horses, the Nazgúl survived because they are essentially immortal, as they are sustained and tethered to life by their rings. The rings stretched their mortality to the limit, eventually transforming them into invisible wraiths that can only be seen by their clothes. Killing them is nigh impossible without very special circumstances or the One Ring's destruction.
they did not plan for the Flag of Rohan to fly off like that, it was pure coincidence & they left it in.
I stand by this trilogy being one of if not the best movies ever made. Being adapted from books just adds more of the lore to be discovered. The acting, camera work, sound effects, music, writing... I could go on but instead ill just say this: a true master class in all aspects of film making the likes of which i have not seen before nor since watching. Filmed in New Zealand (where i live) i know a few extras whom acted small parts in these movies and they tell me the directer Peter Jackson and the entire crew were not just a boss and employees but rather a family all working towards the same end.
Once you finish these movies i feel you too will become apart of the extended family that is LOTR Fans, infact by this point its most likely safe to say you are already. Cant wait for the next part
I agree. AND they did it without using sex! They used Love instead!!!
@@sabrecatsmiladon7380 love, friendship and great on screen chemistry... Theres no need to show a sex scene when its at this level of story telling. Cudos my cultered friend.
Yep. There’s a reason the book was the second most read book of the 20th century in western cultures(2nd to the Bible).
One of the things I love, is how we see characters change over the course of the story. Gimli at first hated the elves (understandably so, given certain events), by the time they left Lothlorien (Galadriel's domain) he had cast that hate aside, and Legolas, on the first sight of a threat, he had 0 hesitation to defend him, with actions as well as words.
Hate is a strong word. I think, dislike and distrustful are more accurate.
@@jonathonfrazier6622 he did say during the meeting in Rivendale that he'd be dead before the ring goes to an elf. So i think their was a strong dislike for elves that he'd fight given a half decent reason.
@@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935 A mix of fighting spirit and xenophobia could easily cause him to utter this statement.
@@jonathonfrazier6622 Given everything the elves have done to the dwarf, if Elrond gave the ring to Legolas intending to return to mirkwood (then head south east to mordor) i really think gimli would have confronted Legolas.
In Rohan, the horseman and Captain Eomer (Karl Urban) is brother to the beautiful Eowyn (Miranda Otto) who are the niece and nephew of King Theoden, not his children.
the Rohirrim have a custom of calling nieces & nephews sister-daughter & sister-son
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All 9 rings of men are active as the ringwraiths.
4 dwarf rings are lost to dragons, 3 are actually in the dark tower in Mordor.
The 3 elven rings, which where not made by Sauron, but used his blueprint and magic crafting method, and therefore are tied indirectly to the one ring, are with Lord Elrond, Lady Galadriel and Gandalf, the Elven Lord Cirdan giving his ring to Gandalf when Gandalf arrived in Middle-Earth; Cirdan was one of the wisest Elves and immediately knew Gandalf would need the resistance to domination and weariness that his ring provided.
Aragorns ring is a family ring given to his family line after his ancestor saved the High Elven kings life. Essentially it is the mark of a King of man and was blessed as a eternal mark of friendship between elf and man.
Although the principal theme of the story, Frodo's journey to Mt. Doom, is identical, there are many differences in plot between the movie and the book, especially in The Two Towers. Many commentators have justly faulted Aragorn's sparing of Grima and allowing his escape to Saruman. The whole story is rather different in the book: the war between Saruman and the Rohirrim is already underway, and Theoden is riding with his household troop to the aid of his army in the field. When Grima protests his loyalty to the king, he is given a horse and commanded by his actions to prove his words, "...let us see in battle whether you are true, or to go now whither you will. But then, if ever we meet again, I shall not be merciful." I particularly like the treatment of Theodred's death and burial. It is one of the places where the movie works better than the book--for once, the action in the book moves faster than in the movie, and the king's son's death is glossed over. Miranda Otto's lament (in Anglo-Saxon) is especially moving.
They're not dragons, they don't have a definitive name, but Peter Jackson called them fellbeasts.
there's 5 Wizards - White, Grey, Brown & 2 Blue Wizards. White is the head of the order. when Gandalf came back he was elevated to the position Saruman had held, White & Saruman was effectively exiled.
I really enjoy your appreciation of the beauty of the language. It's a pleasure to notice how different from us and each other they speak. Also, for me part of why LotR universe is so endearing and believable is because they have their own inner lore and history and forgotten legends and tons and tons of songs. Everything that has a language has songs, except orcs (not a coinsidence), even Gollum-Smeagorl somehow manages to create songs about juicy sweet fishes.
Also, no, Aragorn's ring is a mere family heirloom of Numenor (Atlantis), people were talking about Galadriel being a keeper of the Ring of Adamant and Gandalf wielding the Ring if Fire (another one of the Three)
Orcs have songs. " Down Down to Goblin Town" and" Fifteen Birds in Five Fir Trees".
@@jonathonfrazier6622 you're right, I completely forgot about these.
Regarding Grima:
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”
As I mentioned in my previous comments for your reaction to "Fellowship," Tolkien invented all the languages first. He was Professor of Ancient languages at Oxford University &, specializing in the Anglo-Saxon, is noted for his translation of the Saxon epic, Beowulf. He based The Rohirim on the Anglo-Saxons (though the Saxons were never known as being great horsemen or having much in the way of cavalary), having them speak in the Germanic Anglo-Saxon language that eventually became Old English. When Eowyn sings in Rohirim at the funeral of Theodred, King Theoden's son (Eowyn & Eomir, are actually King Theoden's niece & nephew, & Theodred's cousins) she is actually singing in Anglo-Saxon.
Re your question about Orcs & Goblins: they are actually the same thing & the use of both names is interchangeable. Goblin is derived from the old Norman Language, while Orc was an older Saxon term for the same mythical creature - a fact Tolkien, given his expertise, was undoubtedly aware of. Uruk, a term used for Saruman's "Super Orcs, " in The Two Towers movie was the name the Orcs used for themselves in Tolkien's invented Black Speech. Saruman refers to his, "Fighting Uruk Hai," Uruk Hai being Orc Folk in the book. Though Uruk simply means Orc in Black Speech it became synonymous with the larger, more intelligent Orcs. Both Sauron & Saruman have their own versions of Uruks in the books.
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At this point in the book, Saruman refers to himself as Saruman of many colours. But you only get many colours when you break white light, saying that Saruman is broken by his actions.
The Ring that Aragorn had is not a Ring of Power, its actually far older - it was made in the First Age for King Finrod Felagund, the Elven lord of Nargothrond. The Ring of Barahir is over 8,000 years old where as the Rings of Power are only about 3,000 years old.
Well, Gandalf died but was not died because he was not a man.
Gandalf was an angelic spirit. He took the form of a man (Gandalf the Grey Wizard) to guide and help Men.
If you watch the Hobbit films you will see another wizard, Radagast the Brown.
The colours are exactly like ranking but kinda like what was the mission of the wizard.
Saruman was the white because he was the wise. White = wisdom, he was kinda like the leader/the wisest of the Wizards.
Gandalf was the grey because he was wandering all over Middle-Earth helping people.
Radagast was the Brown because he was mainly occupied helping the trees and animals / the environment in general.
When Saruman failed his mission (to the the wisest Leander of the Istari = the Wizards) and joined Sauron, Gandalf took his place and become the White wizards.
They could not practically die because they were Maiar = angelic beings.
Long story short:
The lore in the Tolkien universe is:
Eru Iluvatar is the One, the ultimate being/ the God.
Eru Iluvatar created several minor Gods, the Valar.
The Valar were:
Manwë (King of the Valar and Lord of the Winds)
Melkor (the first bad guy, the first Dark Lord)
Ulmo (King of the Seas)
Aulë (the Smith Lord of what is underneath the Earth)
Oromë (Lord of the forests)
Námo, Irmo, Tulkas….
Varda (Lady of the Stars and Queen of the Valar)
Yavanna (Lady of the fruits and and the Earth)
Nienna (Lady of mercy)
Estë, Vairë, Nessa…
Sauron, The 5 Istari (wizards) were Maiar = angelic beings.
Sauron was seduced by the darkness and became a dark Lord.
The crazy thing about all the epic shots in this film is that they couldn't simply fly a drone like they can today, the had to film all of them in a helicopter.
there's no single meaning for the title; even Tolkien himself was undecided. part of the problem is the books were written as 6 volumes but published as 3 so he had to come up with names for the combined volumes. the other problem was once he had the title he still had to figure out WHICH towers it meant. some of the pairs of towers he considered included Orthanc & Barad-dûr, Minas Tirith & Barad-dûr, Orthanc & Cirith Ungol. when it came time to approve cover art the image he selected for the first edition was of Minas Morgul & Orthanc. make of it what you will.
I've also heard of Orthanc and Helm's Deep. I agree with you though, and you're right about it being vague
I fell compelled to mention in relation to Gandalf and the ring; Sauron was a fallen maira, the same type of angelic being as the balrog and Gandalf himself. Though it’s implied that he had enhancements in Power both by his master Morgoth and his own endeavors before Morgoths fall it is likely if Gandalf was corrupted by the ring he would turn into a being similar In Power and evil to the Balrogs or even young Sauron
*maia
one of the things they kinda paired down in the movies is the fight between gimli and eomer. in the books, eomer insults galadriel, who gimli has romanticized (in a courtly love romance way). so gimli demands that eomer take it back and kinda challenges him to a duel. the rest of it plays out like on screen.
The Wringwraiths were only stopped by Arwen’s water magic, but they cannot be killed because they are tied to the ring. The only way to destroy them is to destroy the ring. It’s just like Gollum says “Dead? No, you cannot kill them no”
It's awesome to see you having so much fun watching the movies!! Keep up the amazing work!
Saruman was given the title of "The White" when they came to Middle Earth because he was to be the leader of the Istari (The wizards more or less, to keep it simple). In the books, Saruman says to Gandalf that he has named himself Saruman of many colors, when he turns on the order and joins Sauron.
Gandalf, sent back by the gods, has now claimed the title of Gandalf the White, because he is doing the task that Saruman should have done.
P.s. Fun fact, Gandalf's real name is Olorin, and he is a Maia. Essentially, he is an angel.
The motivations in the novel are more complex. Saruman for instance only makes an alliance with Mordor as a ploy until his forces can find the ring and get it back to Isengard where with its power he would become the new Lord of the Rings, overthrowing all before him. Eomer the warrior who was banished is the nephew of the king and Eowyn the niece
Saruman the white was the leader of the istari (wizards), but since his betrayal he became Saruman of many colours ( in the films he is still white for some reason), and after Gandalf's physical form died he was resurrected and promoted to Gandalf the white. Basically, white is the highest ranking colour among the istari.
I think it was to keep it simpler for the audience and to set up the suspense when Treebeard says 'the white wizard will know'. If Saruman went by the Many Colors title, this scene would be somewhat confusing and less tense. However I do think that it was a missed opportunity to show the wizard's hierarchy and the themes regarding color.
Saruman (and the other wizards) are not man. They are angel-like beings (called maiar), and only took the physical forms of old man because they command respect from the peoples of middle earth.
Galadriel (Ring of Waters), Gandalf (Ring of Fire) and Elrond (Ring of Airs) each carried one of the Elven rings. If any of them had accepted the One Ring, then they would have become something really terrible. Galadriel gave us a glimpse of what the result would be in her case, if the two rings were combined. Since she was an Elf and over 8300 years old, she understood the dangers all too well. Gandalf, being one of the Maia spirits, also knew the hazards. Elrond, who was over 6400 years old, didn't want to be anywhere near the One Ring.
In the books Saruman calls himself Sauron of Many Colors and if you look closely his "white" robe is actually a bunch of colors mixed together. First red flag of his treason since the Valor gave him the title Saruman the White. Gandalf returning as the new White Wizard is the Valor's way of dismissing Saruman.
18:30 yea that is true, he broke his toe on the exact take that is in the movie and is indeed what makes the screem feel so real, because it is real.
He also had to run on his two broken toes for the wide shots, and Orlando (Legolas) had some cracked ribs. And Gimli's actor was allergic to the prosthesis that made him look like a dwarf. Got to admire the dedication of these legends! 👏👏👏
Eomér and Eowyn are King Theodens niece and nephew; he is their uncle. Theodred (who died) was Theodens only child.
The Two Towers are Isengard (Saruman), and Barad-dûr in Mordor (Sauron). Their alliance is called the union of the Two Towers.
One of the greatest movie documentaries was the one about this movie and how it was made. It makes you appreciate even more about this wonderful world and this movie trilogy. Please consider watch those one day. Thank you for making these reactions and all the best.
worth watching just to see all the practical effects they used to make Hobbits look small
Another thoughtful and enjoyable reaction 😊thank you!
The most common belief is that Orthanc and Barad-dûr are the "two towers"
When Gandalf first visits Sarumon in The Fellowship (in the books) and is taken prisoner he notices Sarumon's robes now shimmer in the light. They are no longer white but iridescent and Sarumon begins to refer to himself as Sarumon of Many Colors because when you break the white light using a prism it creates a rainbow (many colors). Gandalf is not impressed and says, "He that breaks a thing in order to find out what it is had left the path of wisdom". Wizards are members of the Maia and are at the same level of power as a Balrog, very similar to angels and demons, so the two were evenly matched when they finally met in Moria. There are 5 wizards that were sent to Middle Earth and each is denoted by a color, which is also an indicator of each of their unique powers. Only 3 are mentioned in the LOTR books., the third being Radagast the Brown whose powers are those that allow him to communicate with and heal nature. He is the one that sent the eagle that helped free Gandalf from Sarumon's tower. Gandalf the Grey was a master of light (ex: his fireworks, him lighting the way through Moria, the shield of light used against the Balrog etc) and seems to retain those powers as the White, which you will see in the next movie. When Gandalf is reborn as the White he is taking Sarumon's place and his power, which is the power of wisdom. Gandalf also wears one of the 3 rings of power that were gifted to the elves. It allows him to speak to and interact with all the races of Middle Earth as a diplomat, of sorts. That is also partly why it would be so dangerous for him to have Saron's ring. (Galadriel is in the same position as she wears one the the 3 rings and is offered the One ring by Frodo.)
* Edit: Galadriel was involved in the council that sent the wizards to Middle earth and she was the only one that thought Gandalf should have been the White from the very beginning. All the others wanted Sarumon to be the White, including Gandalf, but she turned out to be the only one that was correct about the character of both Wizards.
Fun thing about the design of the Ring, they went through a lot of them before deciding to take a simple wedding ring as an example... so your way of bearing yours is... quite fitting.
As for Gollum, the Ring messes up with your mind just like some drugs do schizophrenia is one of those symptoms...
the color of the wizard is not just a nickname it is a job title (2 blue wizards, 1 brown wizard, 1 gray wizard, 1 white wizard)
Saruman the white betrayed and joined the enemy, so when Gandalf died and was reborn he took the rank of the white wizard and ousted Saruman of the council of wizards
Saruman abandoned his reason for being in Middle Earth; to oppose Sauron and be a leader.
The spirits of Immortal beings return to their creator in Valinor when they die, Gandalf was sent back to be Saruman’s replacement, hence the change in appearance/personality. He’s “Saruman as he should have been” and the only Wizard who actually stayed dedicated to his role and didn’t get distracted by worldly matters or power .etc.
100% about the dialogue. And all the best lines are straight from Tolkien. Highly recommend the book! There's a new audiobook with the guy who voiced Gollum reading.
Love, love, love these books and movies. It's good you watched the extended versions... much better than the theatrical releases. When I was recovering from my stroke, I would lay in bed and watch, and re-watch this trilogy for months. There is so much going on, I never got bored with it. So glad you're enjoying it!!
It's actually been Viggo Mortensen's (Aragorn) toes, not finger. Also these are no dragons, they are called fellbeasts. Eowyn and Eomer (the one who gave Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli the horses) are Theoden's niece and nephew. Besides the flag of Rohan being blown of actually happend coincidentally on set...they just went with it:)
The larger orcs are "Uruk-hai", the ones Saruman was breeding.
There are a lot of things that aren't explained well, and one character in the next movie that is very hated, but only because the movie doesn't explain him well enough. But after the movies I highly recommend listening to the audio books, there is a new version read by Andy Serkis (Gollum actor). Then there is thousands of years of Middle Earth history explained in "The Silmarillion" if you geek out enough on this.
Agreed, the Christopher Lee audiobook is also fantastic. The Silmarillion is one of my favorite books, though be ready for a LOT of names. Well worth it though imo!
@@sunfurycommenting1013 Yeah, I listened to the Christopher Lee "Children of Hurin", great audiobook.
yeah that yell Vigo gives with that kick is the sound of his toe breaking. ouch!
18:27 DId YoU kNoW, that Vigga Mortensen... XD
Gandalf is an immortal, angelic spirit just like the other wizards (and also Sauron and Balrog) are. His physical body can die, but his true, spirit-like essence is immortal. After his return as Gandald the White, he actually is more close to his true being than he was as Gandalf the Grey. Wizards were in purpose banned from their true powers, because they were sent more as guides and councellors than any sort of war leader etc against Sauron.
I hope you come up with the rest soon, I love the reaction. #3 the best but please hurry lmao
A detail left out from the book is that when Saruman first reveals his treachery to Gandalf, he also reveals that he has claimed a higher station: Saruman of the many colors. My understanding is that not only has Saruman gone over to the other side, he abandoned the purity of his high station for greed and more power.
So he essentially himself created the leadership void to which Gandalf is ultimately appointed. Many have compared the wizards in this world to a kind of angelic order, so Saruman is our fallen angel whose fate is to rule the underworld.
on Wizards. they look like old men but they're really more like immortal angels sent by God to help the People of Middle Earth resist Sauron. there's 5 that are known - White, Brown (Radagast, you'll see him in the Hobbit films) Grey, Blue (2 of those, both went East & were basically lost. their colors indicate something of their role or rank with White having the leadership position. when Gandalf was sent back by God to finish his work, he was promoted from Grey to White & Saruman was removed altogether.
Frodo is probably older in tge films as well. His uncle is ovwr 100 after all
You should definitely:
-Read The Hobbit
-Read The Lord of the Rings
-Watch the Extras of the Lord of the Rings movies (this is a MUST, you'll enjoy it a lot. Maybe you can react to them also, it would be interesting as not many people are reacting to the extras, which are just awesome)
You should not:
Watch the Hobbit movies, as they rape the book so badly (at least read the book first)
Looking forward to the second part. Coitus interruptus! xD
PS: You are on point with your comments. It's obvious that this story is leaving a mark on you already. Enjoy the rest!
Yes, he actually broke his toe when he kicked the helmet lol.
The fight of Gandalf vs Balrog was epic, once they fall into the lake in the deepest cavern, Balrog gets extinguished and becomes slime Balrog, slowly reigning as they fight up the endless stairs all the way to the tip of the mountain shown in the film.
28:10 - the flag wasn't planned. They were filming and it flew off. It was so indicative of the dreariness of Edoras and King Theoden under the control of Saruman that they wisely left it in.
BTW, it's not so remarkable that Gandalf came back. I'm sure other commenters are remarking even as I am that he's not really human. Tolkien devised a complete metephysical lore including a monotheistic creator, a ranking of angelic beings, an origin account for nearly all of the beings one finds in Middle Earth (with some notable exceptions), and thousands of years of history preceding this brief tale. In short, Gandalf is a lesser angelic being called a maia who serves greater angelic beings called the valar. Saruman, Sauron, and the balrog are also maiar. So while the balrog was powerful and was certainly a deadly foe, Gandalf was his match, though he lost the life of his human body in defeating the balrog, the valar were easily in a position to restore his body, give him a promotion, and send him back to finish his job, then incarcerate the balrog now devoid of power in a spiritual prison of sorts.
Its one of my favorite moments in the films
Maiar are angelic beings that were created by Eru Illuvatar, basically God. Some of the Maiar that appear in LotR are: the 5 wizards (or Istari, that includes Gandalf the Grey, Saruman, the White, Radagast, the Brown and the 2 blue wizards), Sauron and the Balrogs (yes, at one point there were more than one, but at the time of the Fellowship, most, if not all except that one, died). Maiar are, in essence, immortal, but their physical forms aren't. The Istari were sent to aid the people of Middle Earth against the darkness during the Third Age. That said, Saruman never died, he was always the white wizard and all of the Istari (as implied on the books) always had the appearance old men since their arrival to the world. Gandalf was sent back after his "Grey" body died because he was the best candidate, at the time, to take Saruman's task in taking the front in leading and guiding the Free People of Middle Earth against Sauron
Fyi, multiple personalities, popularly made aware by the US book and movie, Sybil, is not associated with schizophrenia. While schizophrenia means something like "split mind," the term refers to being split away from consensus reality, and is a catch-all term for many disabilities which present somewhat similarly. Split or multiple personalities is an older term for what is now more broadly called depersonalization and derealization, of which split personalities are an extreme and somewhat niche case. A classic contemporary example was Jonathon Winters, a mid-to-late-twentieth century US comedian who used his disability to improvise comedic characters ad infinitum in his stage shows. Unfortunately the personalities sometimes took over, either collectively where he lost himself in the chorus, or singularly, where one of his improvisations stuck and he became convinced of a new identity. He was in and out of hospitals for quite a bit of his life, eventually giving up performing and becoming a highly acclaimed modernist painter.
Anyway, not schizophrenia. Still bad, though.
Why there are two white wizards? Basically, the wizards were sent by the Valar (aka gods). Previously they were spirits called Maiar but upon their arrival in Middle Earth that took an appearance of old men. Saruman was chosen as their leader as he was the first to volunteer. When Saruman betrayed his mission and sided with the enemy Valar decided to remove him from his position. That's why when Gandalf is reborn he is the white wizard - basically, he got an upgrade from the gods.
Oh, I see, thanks for clarifying!
@@CinemaWithH your welcome
Also I forgot to add that Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast aren't their real names but rather the names they took when they came to Middle Earth. That's why Òlorin (Gandalf) says he is the Saruman that should have been - Curumo (Saruman) should never have been a wizard send by Valar in the first place
The Saru(man) mnemonic is useful, but technically not correct. Saruman is actually one of the Maiar -- angels, if you will -- as is Gandalf. They and three other wizards were sent to Middle-Earth from Valinor (the Uttermost West) to help in the fight against Sauron.
Aragorn's ring is not a magic ring, but a very ancient and important ring nonetheless.
Saruman is no longer The White. He is called Saruman of Many Colours (because he has 'broken the white'). The movie does not address any of this, though.
Saruman became Saruman of many colours, the movies sidestepped that though. Fair enough, Tolkien himself rewrote him a lot as well!
Gandalf told Frodo never to put the ring on. It's never a good idea.
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Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond have the 3 great Elvish rings
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There’re a couple of explanations of Gandalf/Saruman below but they don’t get it completely right or aren’t specific. Here’s a bit of lore that will clarify or add on to what they said.
Eru Ilúvatar is the Supreme Being in Tolkienverse. Each of his thoughts were made manifest into spirits. His main thoughts were greater spirits & background thoughts were lesser spirits. Together all these spirits sang Arda, the Earth & everything there in, into existence. Some of these spirits went into Arda & were known as the Ainur. The Ainur were broken into two groups: the Valar (the Powers, who are all comprised of greater spirits. They are made flesh & ruled the earth, essentially as gods) & the Maiar (the servants, were comprised of lesser spirits. Most of them didn’t take fleshy form.)
Gandalf & Sauruman are of the Istari (wizard) suborder in the Maiar. The Istari were sent to Middle-Earth to help the people fight against Sauron. There’re 5 Istari: Saruman the White, Gandalf the White (née Grey), Radagast the Brown, & two Blue Wizards. White being the strongest. Istari/Wizards are Maiar spirits presenting as old men. I guess people were more trusting of old men. Saruman presented as White from his sending. He didn’t have to die to re-present (no I didn’t mean “represent”) as such.
Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron, & Balrogs are all Maiar spirits made flesh*. Some Maiar are more powerful than others. Manwë, a Vala, King of the Ainur & King of Arda sent Gandalf aka Olórin. Saruman aka Curunir was servant of Aulë, another Vala, who’s basically the Hephaestus/Vulcan of the Valar. This explains Saruman’s knowledge of forges & weapons making. Also, Aulë created the Dwarves. Sauron was the lieutenant to the original Dark Lord Melkor (brother of Manwë) aka Margoth. Most, if it all dark/evil Maiar were corrupted by Melkor/Morgoth & then became his servants. Most followed Sauron after Melkor/Morgoth** fell.
*Sauron presented in flesh at first but he was killed. He came back, in the armor you saw in the prologue of the Fellowship of the Ring & as you saw that was destroyed. Now he’s presenting as an eye bc what’s left of his spirit is clinging on to his rings. It’s essentially his Horcrux.
**Melkor/Morgoth creates orcs & other creatures that were made from torture like Trolls…
Oh! One more thing…as you said a commenter said, when you put the ring on you slip into the shadow world. Sauron can see you. If Frodo puts the ring on, Sauron will see him in/near Mordor.
Tolkien wasn't just a linguist; he was a philologist, someone who studies the history of language and literature.
The ring that Aragorn has is the Ring of Barahere which was a great man that fought with the Noldor Elves in the second age of Arda (the world they are on). This ring shows who the rightful heir is. So not a magical ring but a ring that could be seen as powerful nonetheless.
32:25 Galadriel showed Frodo Nenya, the Ring of Water, Gandalf Has Ring of Fire - Narya, The Ring of Air belongs to Elrond (never mentioned in movies or even in the Hobbit Troligy)
How come he's never mentioned, he sounds important..
@@CinemaWithH It is in the Lore. However, in the Hobbit there is a scene, when all 3 rings are in one place in a special situation, so it is like a metamessage to the fans "do you see what we did here?"
Also Elrond wears this ring the whole time and is visible. Hobbit is like a fanservice in a some way. In LOTR you can also spot the Narya on Gandalf's hand, but he never mentions about it.
@@CinemaWithH Elrond is mentioned, but his ring is not ;)
He broke is toe when he kicked the helmet
Tolkien may have been talking about plane tabaco but it is rather obvious Jackson is not.
I think Theodin in the movies does not do him justice. In the books Theodin wanted to ride out and meet Isengards army, but then they made a detour to helms deep (dont remember why). He was a much stronger leader than they made him look in the movies
The person telling you about the ring is wrong, with regards the lore. The ring has the effect, when worn, of making ordinary people invisible. You don't enter a shadow realm, even though the films give that impression. More powerful people, wizards, elf lords, even some men descended from the noble line of the ancient race of 'high men', (Numenoreans) would be able to access more of it's power. Wizards like Gandalf and Saruman would probably become as , or even more, powerful than Sauron. Unfortunately the ring corrupts and the more frequently it's powers, including invisibility, are used, the faster the corruption occurs. Now that Sauron has returned, the corruption is even faster and more virulent. The closer the ring comes to Saron's seat of power, the heavier the burden too. The Nazgul are ringwraiths, once the 9 human rulers, whom Sauron now controls. They're like an extension of himself, so they increase the burden of the ring when close. Most people would, through bearing the ring, would become ringwraiths, under Sauron's control. Resistance to the process would depend upon race, character, willpower and how often the ring was worn/used. Extremely powerful people, like Saruman, Galadriel and Gandalf would instead become dark lords themselves. Frodo has become even more susceptible, as he was stabbed by a 'Morgul Blade', by the Lord of the Nazgul, whilst wearing the ring. The only person who can wield the Ring without it changing them, is Sauron. He placed much of his power in the Ring. Without it he's the most powerful being in Middle Earth. With it he'd be unstoppable, as the power of elves is declining and they're gradually leaving, the dwarves too are less numerous and less powerful and men are seen as weak, disunited and of 'lesser stock' than previously.
Two towers is for the tower of Isengard and the tower of Mordor. Both against man kind.
Be careful when praising Tolkien for the movie's dialog. Remember, two writers, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens, wrote most of what you're hearing.
But still, most of the best lines are direct quotes from the books.
@@tantant94 Often, not by the person who actually said them in the books.
"gandalf is a badass" .... yes. :)
Those flying creatures are not dragons. They do not breathe fire. They are Fell Beasts. Even though dragons did exist at one time on Middle Earth, dragons are much bigger and have scales on their bodies.
if your wedding ring slips off your finger time to time,it might have will on its own...are you sure its just a wedding ring?you should try and put it in the fire,if you see some kind of elvish write on it after that,oh dude,you better start to pack to leave on a mordor's hollidays
At last! I've just had my yearly dose of LOTR, finished rewatching the trilogy half an hour ago. So what should I do now? That's right, watch this.
If you plan on reading the books, but might have trouble getting through pages and pages of Tolkien describing things, I strongly encourage you to check them out on audiobook (unabridged, narrated by Rob Inglis). For me, something about having it read to you changes dry and potentially boring world building breaks, into a thoroughly enjoyable experience.
'Saruman is a man', well actually, he's not. Saruman is a Maiar. The Maiar were primordial spirits created to help the Valar first shape the world. Gandalf is also a Maiar, and so is Sauron. This history is well beyond the scope of these films, so there's no way you would know this just from watching the films. There is a lot, and I do mean a lot, of history that proceeds the events portrayed in this film.
did u heard of the helmet scene with viggo? xD
someone tell him pls
So with the rings Gandalf Elrond and giladrial have the elves rings of power then a couple other characters have rings and then the five wizards and Sauron are all mayar spirits the five wizards were sent there with reduced powers to aid the free people against Sauron but they still had great power so if Gandalf took the ring he would likely master it and become the most powerful being in middle earth and then with the wizards colours Saruman never dies he was sent there as Saruman the white and the leader of the order and since Gandalf comes backs as the white it signifies that Gandalf was acting like how the wizards are meant to act
Aragorn's ring is not a ring of power,is ancient object with a very powerful meaning but that's it,nothing more
It's called dissociative identity disorder
9:57 Still the ring of power
POSSIBLE OUTRAGE---- I felt there could have been a 4th film to cover more details, especially Tom Bombadil and the Barrow wights and a better set up of the start. Still LOVE this Trilogy!!
I wanted 6 films: 1 for each book or 2 per volume.
I'm very curious: how did a Croatian guy learn to speak English with a slight Southern accent?
Orcs and goblins are the same creature. "Goblin" is a hobbitish word. "Orc" is the proper term from an elvish root.
you should have knowledge of ENT from Runescape
I literally omitted bcoz watching the villain character chi and all those friends ...so bad that I omitted
Saruman isn't actually a man. The wizards are the same species as Sauron