Des Moines - Still A Beast
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Yesterday I covered the USN CA in my Tech Tree Thursday, and here's a commentary on my final game in the tier 10 of the line, the Des Moines. You can find my recommended build at the end as usual. If you want to watch the entire Tech Tree stream, there's my VOD from yesterday / 333201082
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The promised links, legendary module + acceleration module (with amazing music timing) clips.twitch.tv/HeartlessDifferentToothCclamChamp
This match as a highlight on my stream, to get a better idea of the plane squads I focus and in which order: www.twitch.tv/videos/333340446
Discord: discord.gg/Flamu
Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu
Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz
Flamu you make Initial D fans proud of you with that DM acceleration module + that glorious timing with Deja Vu. Also that Monogatari tooth brush scene was probably the weirdest scene in the entire series - its actually a genuinely great series...
How about Manual AA instead of aft?
Flamu making WEEB meme... the infection is spreading!
Manual AA is decidedly worse than AFT on Des Moines. MAA only affects the secondary DP guns (around 90DPS), not the bulk of the AA that are the 76mm guns (around 350DPS), since both types have the same range (5km base) AFT really impact the value of the AA. Also having AFT means the AA reaches out close to the air spotting range. Meaning a plane doesn't have much of a spotting buffer, making it very hard for the CV player to work in the area.
Dear Flamuu-nen, I would to let you know that you input throttle commands before the time is up, so as to not lose time or forget :p
Des Moines has something no cruiser should be given. Freedom. Freedom of movement
_Freedom_
*DEMOCRACY INTENSIFIES*
*AMERICA, FUCK YEAH*
DUMBO-CRAZY, mob rule, the opposite of Freedom. Let's call it FREEDUMB
I would rofl so hard if WG implement a feature when u get focus by all the enemy team a wild Flamu appear and say "Hello Hello everyone".
I actually prefer playing Des Memes over Wooster, I'm just not a light cruiser guy
Also those moments when a crusier doesn't angle enough and sits behind an island, thinking he is safe, are what I live for
and that's why I play Yamato :)
"Also those moments when a crusier doesn't angle enough and sits behind an island, thinking he is safe, are what I live for" for this kinda moments its better to be in a Wooster. Stop lie to people cause will have more like you in the game.
@@cometawows4862 Wooster AP is trash....
@@kai-xuanyao4666 Projectiles are lighter on Wooster, then Des moines. I'm talking about the balistic trajectory. I'm not talkin about ap, you made a shit load of damage with HE.
It's easier with Wooster to hit hidden targets after islands etc .. Capisci now mongol ?
@@cometawows4862 Good luck HE spamming a cruiser down in 3 salvos, cuz that's all it takes for DM to delete the cruiser. LMAO
Des Moines is my favorite cruiser in the game, a real team focused ship that can carry hard.
One thing I want to point out because I have heard it ever since WG changed the USN 8in AP. It’s not actually a “heavier” AP shell, it’s a ballistic capped shell that has a high tolerance of angles. For those who don’t know, the ballistic cap is a soft surrounding around the AP core that normalizes the shells trajectory when it impacts with angled armor. For example, if the shell impacts with armor at a 45 degree the cap molds to the armor and reduces the angle at which the AP core impacts the armor.
This was commonly used on tank rounds during WW2 and the concept was enlarged and carried over to naval artillery.
Dear Flamu,
I would like to thank you for this kind of content. This is the reason why I came to your channel and why I have continually improved my performance over the last 3 years or so. If it hadn't been for you, I would have never loved this game as much as I do, even if I did like historic ships as a scenario a lot when starting. And I'll go right ahead and claim it's the same for quite a few players and their stats. Comparing to your le Terrible video this has half the views in one day compared to a week, which might be due to low popularity of French DDs, but most likely it's because these indepth tactical videos give more to the viewer than a general review on a ship. Therefore I am happy that you started Tech Tree Thursday and it's something I've been waiting for, QB has done it for Tanks for a long time. Indepth gameplay analysis is your greatest strength (apart from memes) and it's great to see it coming back with ranked guides, revisiting old ships and now even weekly on Tech Tree Thursday. Thank you very much, you deserve those 63k subscribers, which is pretty amazing considering its abou 3 times as much people as you encounter online for a regular evening on EU. I do not regret my monthly subscription (btw did you know that you can subscribe to your favorite streamer for free each month by linking Amazon Prime to your Twitch account?), any like on your videos, any donation during stream or the amazing Spicy T-shirt I got myself. Keep doing what you are doing and I am sure I will continue to enjoy your content and support your channel.
With kind regards,
MrAdversary (ingame, twitch)
Last time I was this early Brazil had Battleships.
No other ship shits on Worcesters as much as the Des Memes
actually DM shits on seattle way more. u cant use all guns if u want to angle vs DM and if u dont angle as seattle needs to show broadside to shoot all guns...u r dead.
wor can still reasonably angle to DM and use all guns while running to burn him down
@@cobrazax Well obviously you can shit on Seattle better. It's a tier 9. That being said, you are mistaken. The Wooster needs to show a lot of broadside to use all of her guns. I think the Wooster can barely use all of her front turrets without getting citadelled and that's risking quite a bit. Now sure a Wooster can find situations using cover and distance to burn down a Des Moines, but other than that the Des Memes has the upper hand. Especially if the Des Moines captain is not an idiot, using damage con to repair the first fire.
Also broadside Woosters behind islands are a common sight. Des Moines is particularly good at lobbing ap shells back at them. Des Moines AP is still a threat at 13-14 km unlike the poor 152 mm shells of the Wooster. They're good at burning down BBs not devastating cruisers.
Up close, maybe. But if a ZAO has an angle on a wooster, lol kiss that cl ass goodbye.
2.5 reload against 4.8. I will burn ur DM and Zao any time as longer RGN don’t say no to any fires after 150 shells .
@@soleno74 nope, just nope, let's say that both of you spot each other out at around 10 kms: to fire your back 3 guns and your 2nd aft gun you have to show 30+° ( angle oglf fires of those guns are 30°). You know what happen at 30°? Dm ap CANT bounce off you, just cant and you have 152mm armour ( at 30° is 304mm of effective armour), dm penetration at 10 kms? 420mms it will citadel you so vad that you wont arrive at his 5th salvo. So you don't fire with your back guns? He outdpms you so bad with he that is not even funny ( about 2.5x) and he has more hp and more chances to knok off your very light turrets. Trust me, dm is the worcester counter. And I'm saying that as a player with 200+ games on both and 60+ wr on both of them
Cool fight with that CV at the end, good job;)
Magnificent game!
That was a great game! Good choice! Thanks! :)
This is my favorite Tier X for a reason...
great commentary :)
"Smokey, my friend, you are entering the world of pain" Walter Sobchak
Very nice game :-) What a perfect ending.
That mind game with the Midway holy fuck
Wow that is one way to make a midway cry and just feel hopeless
Another theory of use on the reload mod (over range mod) is that it reduces your detection range when firing. When firing from behind islands it's often important not to be detected from oblique angles from across the map. The shorter detection range helps keep the fight in closer where the DM is more survivable.
5:53
"I have *FREEDOM* I have *FREEDOM*" - Flolo 2k18 while sailing a DM
Shame he didn't slot the Murica! camo 😂
Flamu!! All i have to say!! GENIUS!!!🚢
Love the US radar on Minotaur and surprising DDs in caps, it's like turning on the light in the kitchen and catch the rats in the act lol.
I don't have the mighty gunship Des Moines but I'm sort of close to her and I'm going to play it as it was intended in the beta.
*A HIGH DPM GUNSHIP.*
Watched your VOD specifically for the Buffalo - interesting to hear it's being buffed, but I noticed you built for rate of fire (like I did) in the last slot but then in the game had problems with being out ranged. I've found it a hard ship to play, I was wondering about switching for range (which would drop the rof and dps a bit but improve the turret traverse and might make long range open sea spamming/kiting easier, or would the dps drop be too much? What do you think?
One of the best capture point "denier" ship in the game!
So what's the tactic if there were battleships behind their dd - to push or not to push ??
for my play style, the legendary mod has helped me more than range. I play aggressive in the DM and rarely ever see a need for the range upgrade. However, that damn thing is so slow when taking off and trying to get out of trouble. Highly recommend the legendary upgrade if you do play in that danger zone.
If you hadn't been in that game it would have been all about the carrier players. Great match!
This commentary is as raw as Norwegian black metal
Rafał Szymaniewicz Im norwegian and i have never heard about Black Metal. What the F do u mean?!
heavy cruisers were called: heavy..... because of their guns, not because of their armor......
True, but why call the heavy cruisers CA's and the light cruisers CL's? Armoured cruiser vs light cruiser right, so why distinguish if even the CA's are so squishy?
@@clys69 The use of CA for "Armored cruiser" was outdated and from 1931 onwards the CA/CL classification focused on the gun caliber only.
That's a very intense game indeed. Still, I have a question:
Where is the spotter plane? ;)
Hey does anyone know how I get that time indicator beside the different caps that Flamu has in this video? What setting is that?
it's a mod
@@mikepontiac5299 ah ok, which mod? Where can I download it
That was no easy win. Well done Flamu.
Great content Flamu! Could you please do a similar return video to the Gearing, after all the power creep around (harugumo, daring, pan asia, a ton of new radar cruisers etc...). I have Gearing unlocked for more than one year but never bought it. Partially because Fletcher is so dominant in tier IX (you could talk about that too), but also because I'm not sure it worth the investment. Thank you man!
Apoleon Schneider I rate this comment. I have a similar problem where I’ve been playing the Daring and want to go back to the Jutland because it’s a better destroyer than the T10 with more concealment, better turning etc. some lines just seem to peak at tier 9.
Should I use John Doe on cruiser or BB?
Damn! A des moines in the right captain is very scary ship...and a plane shreder! That midway did all she can to focus sink this ship, but really a fully knowledgeable des moines is very hard to kill even when you are a 72% wr carrier.
5:52 Des Memes ALWAYS has freedom! 'MURICA
Yes good more Des Moines
Can you post an updated build?
Hey flamu, is manual aa instead of jack of all trades and exprt marksmann viable too?
Manual AA is bad on Des Moines because most of its AA DPS is on the 76mm guns, which aren't affected by Manual AA. AFT is much better if you want to spec DM for AA.
Alright, thanks :)
That CV was very good, no wonder he has a high win rate.
Remember when you could do an AA build and CVs had to conserve planes....
so many RAW stuff.. GR would be so furious xD
I like the Salem better tbh. But I think that’s because the super heals make up for my mistakes :P
Riley W. And makes you look a lot better than you really are
The Salem is better than DM in quite a few areas that you see in randoms. Face hugging crusiers is the first to come to mind, the heal allows you to dps your way out of situations that would kill a DM, next is the fact that the nerfed radar forces you to not just be an island hugger and forces you to make your positions unpredictable and should increase your ingame effectiveness. But that's just my opinions
I agree with both replies c:
I am not that good of a player but with the Salem I can live longer and make risky decisions so for someone like me it is much more fun and also puts them on a more average playing field with skilled players.
salem heal is good,,,,bud legendary module makes demon super agresive...
i thought cv's were invincible
wow
ever impressive
Flamu, if you manually turn off the AA at 15:51, you may have your AA back well before the TBs are able to stike you in the end.
Doesn't fire dmg based on max hp pool of a ship?
Can you give your arguments on the use of range mod Des Moines vs Reload Des Moines?
he did in the video 22:28
I do not build for AA any more. Is this video due for an update? IMO, its a toss up between fire prevention or added health points.
didnt you have mcaam in the game? didnt see it in your capt build
How does a Des Moines counter CV's now in 0.9.0 ???
u still use the classic aiming reticle?
Its a replay its always that
Replay alway use default system of game so mod will not visible
Flamu is your favourite word 'raw' lol :)
That word is his 'bread and butter'.
I want to know what cooked damage does.
Indeed
5:54 Real American, Real steel, Real freedom.
In my opinion they reason y i think the legendary mod is useful is because no one expects a des memes having the mino's manuverability and you can pull some ridiculous stunts with it.
once again, how is this HE spam perma fire on BB's any good for the game?
“Who has Radar?”
Listen to the god. Shooting at 17 km targets with Des Moine's very fast shells is very usefull...
Damn that win rate...............
whats your spec now that aa is useless?
Ah when AA was a thing ....good old days
fire defense flag is good too
Is the only way to get that aim curser a mod?
Didn't the DM have an armored bomb deck IRL?
[SBS]samsuper is a clan mate of mine :)
Pls do Dmitri, Ibuki and Friedrich at some point
Great game! Sadly no Quaken 😝
2.20 if that was me, half of my health would have disappeared with that single hit. It would have been just a tiny bit higher and gone through the deck and not hit the belt :(
Can we get more Tech Tree Thursday uploads here for your non-twitch audience?
You can understand why the CVs are getting changed when there are guys out there with 70-80% CV win rates, the whole rest of the team most of the time just becomes a passenger in a battle between two CVs and if you get the bad one it becomes very hard to turn it around.
with the CV rework, not only good CV players will be sky cancer but also noob players. Constant harassment withe infinite number of planes. As soon as a whole squadron is depleted, he can launch another full health squadron and keep harassing you until you are dead. And with the rockets, even the DD will have hard time dodging in the future.
Let me remind you that in CV rework update,WG rework the AA Defense mechanic that now you must abjust defend effeciency of right and left side of your ship.At start of battle your ship will auto abjust 50% effeciency of 180 degree of left/right of ship,you must decrease effeciency of 1 side to increase effeciency of other side and if it reach 0% aa gun from that side will disable until abjust again
I don't see how that would alleviate the constant harassment. Your ship might be a little bit more efficient at shooting planes, but that does not address the fact that the CV player has infinite number of planes. And in the current mechanic, your CV player can kind of protect you from enemy players but in the incoming game mechanic, the amount of fighters he can call will not be able to deplete any squadron.
the problem with your build (only AFT) is that i have that luck in EU that i see CV 1 or 2 times in 20 battles.....i just find anything usless speking for AA in DM..... mybe its EU but still.....
4:20 never go full broadside!
No thing a lot of players miss is at higher tier carriers win rates almost require divisions with AA support, Im not saying that the enemy carrier isnt bad and your team's carrier is good but pure win rates dont show even half the story
Just running the camp for credits when he’s got 562 million while the rest of us struggle to have more than 1 mill lol
I agree with the modules, but def AA consumable isn't worth it with that few CVs around. I'd rather opt for sonar because there are so many DDs with their smoke and torps
hellooooo Flamu!!
Please do updated Jean Bart!
Can someone explain zero damage penetrations plz?
The Totalitarian Cheesecake it’s when you pen armour which totally absorbs the damage. I.E turrets
It’s when you penetrate something that has a separate HP pool from the ship, such as Main battery, Secondaries, some AA mounts, and maybe(?) torpedo bulges.
Last I heard, (and if I understood correctly,) they’re experimenting with making some/all of these deal over-pen damage to the ship if you penetrate them, for the sole purpose of limiting/eliminating those zero damage penetrations.
@@Alkriaan Not torpedo bulges, those have no separate HP pool, hits to torp bulge should result in regular full pens (since the shell basically overpens the thin outer armor layer of the bulge and then stops on the belt/citadel armor, getting inside the ship's hitbox but not inside citadel nor overpenetrating right through.).
Pavel Tobiáš
Thanks for clarifying on the separate HP pool thing.
I wasn’t saying that they _will_ over-pen, I said that they will deal the damage of an over-pen, (10% of maximum shell damage,) whereas they currently wouldn’t deal any damage at all.
It will still (probably) register as a penetration, regardless of which of the aforementioned modules/parts of the ship are hit. But it will deal 10% of the maximum shell damage, AKA, over-pen damage.
When you should a space armor like on French ships, you do have a pen, but it makes no damage.
lol...would love to play against people like this.... no one's firing at you.
As soon as I am detected in a Des moines all BB's farm me in an instant.... it's like i'm in a Minotaur
Kudos on saying Des Moines properly, even some Iowans mess it up
Ubiiiiiique yeeeeeees B0TS rule 😄
1) What a potato yamato... serirously...
2) Canceror nerf / rework, long overdue. still a boring and frustrating bad for the game as a whole.
3) Des Moines, like Zao, old but gold.
Can't really call the Yamato a potato. He only made two mistakes, he put out a single fire which really doesn't matter because he would have been burnt to death regardless and he didn't dive behind that island once the HE started raining. It would have been next to impossible to make it behind the Island in time anyway so he clearly tried to bow-tank, but HE is the equivalent of gold rounds sadly. The one you should be calling a potato is that Des Moines.
@@calebbrown2776 Probably that Des Moines disconnected, shit happens. And the Yamato insta repairing one fire means he did not even stop and think to assess the situation, hence potato.
Moreover, as soon as he saw there was a des Moines spamming him HE from behind an island (and he knew because he fired upon Flamu´s DM) and a Canceror, he should have known (if he wasn´t a potatoe) that there was no way of bow tanking so much HE (specially not if you repair the frst single fire) and should have just risked the turn and gone away at least avoiding more DM HE. Staying there like that vs so much HE was pointless.
Even moreover, he was the only surface ship on that flank other than the DDs. In other words, he was the only thing Flamu´s team could reliably spot and focus fire, going in like that is just inviting early pointless focus (as there is no one for whom to tank) specially when the flank is not yet spotted. So he should have been much more careful, you cannot solo attack at the beginning on Yaamto because this happens, he should have used the time to preapre and turn to kite being the only big bulky thing to be shot at...
Do you still think AFT is a good pick?
why not legendary module, y love it on my DEMON,,,5s to 30 knots is super to agresive pikaboo to enemy dds,,,even great to trol dive bombers and bbs
:-D
Voice communication in WoWs really. Are you mad or ill Flamuu? Imagine all the insults flying around
That was on EU server
why is everything RAW?
Give some of those flags 😢
Good vid can u do khaba next
The most op dd in the game? Why
@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 because Russian bias
@@logannicholson1850 in his last video for kaba he talks about russ bias :D
I personally don't like the range mod, it screws the shell arc and it's too hard to hit someone over 14km, also is hard to desengage with it. I like the meme build because you can troll bbs(and everything) and make them miss all the shots. Also torpodos became less of a problem. Once I was stationary and a hakuryu droped me with 3 torpodo bombers, I ate one torpodo.
Do you use map before firing? In the will have a crosshair that show location of where your shell will land so position your crosshair over enemy and calculated the shell speed and enemy speed before you shoot and pay that they dont change course during that
That moment when a guy has more dubloons than you have free xp... 8::(
72% win rate on cv yeah thats completelly balanceed
just always playing in a division with a wooster or a ship like that helps insanely much
Bram den Braber good cv players don’t even need that
Should be able to turn off you defensive AA if you don’t use it all
WHO HAD RADAR?????
u changed your game name??
cobrazax different names for different servers
No, wait, it is actually EU 🤔
Probably so ppl stop recognizing him
Not Tsundere He was getting too many offers with 'SideslitSandra'.
well when i saw him in the game i was honored and did my best to help him win...but he would probably be focused by enemy team.
Who had radar?
Wow, can you please link the Capitan Skills.
where is the true meme build tho?
First!
Des Moines?
No.
Des Mama.
ahahahah brainfart ajhajajjaaj