Worcester - Final Version
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2018
- The T10 USN CL Worcester is now in its final version and ready for release. The ship has a fairly clear set of weaknesses and strengths, and for people who enjoy the Atlanta playstyle, it's a whole bucket of fun. You can find my recommended build at the end as usual.
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Honestly, this ship is pretty damn fun and balance wise seems to be in a good position. Strong when it can island hug, painfully vulnerable when it can't. Might be a bit too rough for carriers though, time will tell.
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Sub 4 sec reload on 152mm guns? Tine to buff the Atlanta's 5s reload. Also, your captain build is identical to my atlanta build.
Would it be too much to do a vid on Helena? Those two ships are the highlights of the CL split.
Do you have the USS Salem?
ARC 7157 you literally can see it when he presents his build.
Mtume Umrani Atlanta guns dont need buffs. Thats like saying Hindenburh has 10 second reload. Time to buff Yorck's 15 second reload. Atlanta is awesome at what she does, no buffs needed.
Are you by any chance the player that asked for a Gearing buff for the developper QnA ?
It's gonna get farmed by khaba and Kiev
lol chat...
"whose flamu?
"streamer..."
"is he good?"
"no"
30mm can bounce 429 and BELOW, not above. Of course I have to have my potato comment moments..
jingles moments are ok, don't worry about it :)
Flamu only human confirmed :p
As of update 8.0.4 June 2019 this is one of the few ships that can still actually fight off air attacks including the near guaranteed first pass hits experienced with the CV reworks. I also noticed she is a great ship to bait BBs into exposing broadside to more powerful BB teammates. It happens quite more than expected with overeager would be killers.
Glad to see the Minotaur still holds some advantages.
Minotaur is a good ship. I just think that it, like the Zao, has started to get a tad power-creeped. Mostly in consumables. The Mino's low armor can actually be a benefit at times because it causes quite a few BB AP overpens, rather than in Zao and Worcester where if you get hit by a BB you WILL be hurting. A lot.
Mino's armor is prone to giant citadel volleys since it has such weak armor, with the Zao and Worcester they have 25mm plating which means that angling reduces the chance of being citadeled drastically, since it takes a lot of pen to go through 25 compared to Mino's armor.
Zao's armor is excellent, more prone to bounces and overpens than anything.
It depends on angling and on what's shooting at you. Zao's armor gets plain overmatched by BB AP shells that are 358mm or greater, regardless of angling. Against cruisers, their AP is ineffective when you're properly angled, but most are going to lob HE at you anyway, also making your angling irrelevant. Zao survives not by tanking shells, but by staying at longer range and DODGING. If you're playing where your ship is the easiest for the enemy team to hit, you have gotten out of position in the Zao.
And yes, Minotaur can get citadel'd, but it at least has the RN super-heal to mitigate the more serious damage. Minotaur wants to be sticking to cover as much as possible, especially if it's a Radar Mino. Mino's armor is not something people are going to rely on.
[CV Player] "Alright, let's see if there's any DD player the-" Sees his planes suddenly just disappear from his view then the Worcester pops up. "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!"
[Worcester] "You mad yet?"
-Kenobi- Worcester: Hello there!
(another) Year of the CV confirmed?
Is the new tier 10 Atlanta????
I know a T10 atlanta when I see one, and this is one..
Going to play it to 1000 battles, same as how I did with Atlanta in NA.
Not too long till I get Halsey as well, the 20% improvement on reload rate with confederate is going to make this ship even more amusing to play.
but he already said T10 Atlanta like 4 times on the vid ...
Zbriu Im not talking to you. im talking to OP who apparently forgot to use his ears while watching the video
Zbriu Had i been talking to you, you would have seen your name at the start of my comment. It's not that hard
Yea... Tier 10 Atlanta. Just what we ''needed'' in this game -.-
Thanks for the useful and helpful report.
Tier 10 Flint looks nice!
The salvos of these video are really nice. ^^
Glad to see the Flamu seal of approval. This ship looks like a lot of fun to me.
Stealth Radar, because that's so fun to play against if you're a DD...
You have no idea what this means for me as a big Carrier player...
exactly lol.
I dont see an issue to be honest if its the Worcester by itself then you can easily dodge those slow asf shells but if the Worcester has friends then its bad news all around.
Abandon ship while you can.
It is still not Belfast level radar, so combined with smoke. Worcester is fine with it. It is a tier 10 LIGHT cruiser without a smoke consumable and is super squishy. It's enemies are also gonna be t8-t10 DDs, so you should at least expect them to be at least somewhat good at the game. I see destroyer players constantly complaining about radar spam, and that is mostly because they are just bad. I remember the times when there were 5 Shimakaze's per team, all with 20km torps and no one was able to detect them. That surely was fun right?
18:52 Full secondary build on Pensacola???
Final Version Atlanta 2.0
Another fantastic Flamu video.
this will be my new favourite ship!!!
i love atlanta sooo much
when Atlanta take steriod...
Wow that Z52 got 2 Kronshtadt with the same torpedo salvo.
Potato wallet warriors :P
actually they top the enemy teams scoreboard...
林揆元 so ? doesnt mean they're good.
yeah ok whatever you say dude
where?
Year of Carrier!
End of Carrier !
Had you not mentioned that glitch with the camo i'm sure not many people would have noticed. Oh well everyone knows now :P
On the other hand, a tier 10 Atlanta....yes please!
Grand Master of Tactics....
You heard it here first folks! :D This ship has twelve hundred *52mm* guns as it's main armament! :D
After seeing this ship a couple months ago, I decided to use my long neglected Atlanta as a training ship for the Worcester, and I'm sure glad I did.
like a lot of people, I couldn't figure out how to play the Atlanta right, and thought it sucked. Now then I've been grinding the hell out of it, and learning it's unique play style through trial, a lot of error, and watching Atlanta videos by Atlanta players that know what they're doing. I'm doing better with it, and my wins are increasing, while my defeats are decreasing with it.
My opinion of the Atlanta is changing, and I'm realizing when you play it right, and learn how to use terrain to your advantage, the Atlanta can be a shitload of fun to play, especially when you find the right island to hide behind, and HE spam the shit out of enemy BBs, and DDs while they can't hit me. Things get really funny, when those enemy BB, and DD players go full salty in the chat box, and curse me out, or they threaten to report me.
I love the taste of salty tears from enemy captains, and seeing how good a salt miner the Atlanta can be, I'm guessing the Worcester will be one of my all time favorite ships. I hope the Worcester stays the way it is at launch, and WG ignores the cries, and salty tears of those BB, DD, CV, and non Worcester players, that think it's OP, and demand it be nerfed, or removed from the game. This game would suck big time, if they nerfed the hell out of it, or removed it at the last minute, just to appease this ships haters.
Buffalo also has that problem on the camo highlighting the citadel
Can someone explain what the Krupp value means? I've heard of it but never understood the term...
Now that's it's dropped... I was saving my free XP to buy the Kronshtadt. Tempted to just level up to the Worcester though.
Im trying to choose between the Manual fire controll for AA or the AFT skill for my Wooster captain, and the thing is in this video you recomment AFT and in your Minotaur one you recommend Manual fire control? Wouldnt it be the other way around since Wooster has on more double AA turret with 152´s?
The thing is I know there i a great advantage to take manual since it boost you long range aura, but when I tried to run that on my Minotaur I thought it was annoying to stop shooting at enemy ships in mid-knifefight to suddenly start looking up at the sky and click on squadrons to then try and re-engage the ship you are fighting and so on. With AFT I just need to hit the consumable key and then it on?
Go AFT for Worcester, as your range increases from 7.2k to 8.6k, BUT still control click incoming squads as it increases the AA accuracy on targeted squad.Man AA only benefits AA over 85mm, so you're better off with the increased range but REMEMBER to still ctrl click the incoming squads.
klasse Vorstellung.....
For Clan Battles I am having a hard time finding a place for this ship aside from a radar bot. It can stealth radar like a Minotaur but it lacks torps so it can't be a makeshift DD like the Mino can. As far as positioning, the way the high arcing shells work could open up some positions on some maps, but I cant think of any place that other radar cruisers cant go that this one can. It definitely has a place in KoTS but I'm not sure it will have a big impact in CB.
Wg screwed clan battles by barring carriers.
I do think leaving a class out of CBs does alienate a portion of the playerbase but the strength of the Carrier in a 7v7 format would likely be overwhelming. To the point that the team with the better CV would win most of the time. In the 9v9 KoTS setup it works because there is enough ships to limit that power to acceptable levels. The issue with the 9v9 format is that many clans would not be able to participate. Hopefully the CV rework will address this. Another option would be to allow a team to field 2 BBs or One carrier. Which really would change the dynamic of CBs. Not sure how balanced that would be, but it is an option.
give it a DD to babysit it and it can hold a flank.
That's sorta the issue though, now you are pulling a second ship for it to maintain effectiveness and you have to micro a position that is outside of radar but within the effective range of the Worcester. If your going to do that, it would be more advantageous to put a zao or hindy in smoke as you can make that dpm ball further away.
I can play Cleveland with great success in TX Battles. Not trying to be smart but Worecester most likely will be similar in playstyle to Cleveland and Radar Mino (which I am both playing a lot). So I don't feel that smoke is as importand as it is made out to be. Sure Mino has torps and they are a great asset but lets face it HE on such a spam ship is more than enough to compensate for that. After playing Cleveland I know for sure that Worecester will be able to go toe to toe with Mino simply due to the fact that it can hurt ships that are angled AND burn them down. I don't think that it will be a radar ship to counter DDs like DM but rather a DMG ship like Hindi that can also counter DDs but primarily hurt the enemy capital ships.
Is it usefull so use the new American Captain on this ship later? I know on a Des Moines you can have 3.2 sec. reload with the new captain.
I think this should have an 'emergency smoke'... Large cloud to basically conceal it at any speed nearly immediately but it's only active for a few seconds and the smoke is very short at well. It would be more interesting than sitting in smoke the whole time...
Radar repair and hydro looks fun for me as a dd player thx wargaming
FaNNaTiK plays You mean the consummables Des Moines and Moskva and Kronstdat already get ?
ThatOneDude yes i think a rapair and hydro were ok why radar like every other ship
FaNNaTiK plays You think repair and hydro is ok ??? All the fucking T10 Cruisers have that.
i don't like its ability to slot radar hydro and defensive fire in the same game
Jon Carlos Mjøs absolut unfair move
Well atlanta is my favourite ship i own so im going to get this and add it to my other t10's
Daniel Hoete Keep hidding in rocks... So funnyyyyy
That camo looks really good, what is that?
The Worcester is a saucy ship
Flamu, where did you get the penetration graph? I'm aware of the old thread on the forum with charts but they are not up to date.
World of Warships AP calculator beta.
forum charts were made partially on in game testing making them sightly more accurate, calculator still have some errors.
bru what does krupp value signify?
Shell's hardness if I recall correctly.
One question - Does a hit to the barbets count as citadel hits ?
No, the citadel area doesnt include barbets
Get this ship if you have a Des Moines or this one you will have the grind?
High tier Atlanta...
how do I say "Attention to Square ....." while I'm in battle. I've tried ctrl+mini_map but it didn't work. please help. its every difficult to communicate with team mates in random battles
&
how to lock targets
Aditya Bose Double click on your minimap, Not single. X is The key to lock, if you want to select planes/secondary targets ctrl and klick on their Name tag above The ship.
You use the radial menu tied to the B-key while looking at a target or you use the F-keys.
thankz & F12
I generally use B-key
@Shaw
It can never be too rough for carriers. Lol
Comes the patcv next thursday???
Wooooooooooooooooooooster
I wondered why it was not on the part 2 test server.
What's that? 23% firechance?
Flamu. Build your immunity against the throat virus and others. Take vitamin D (several daily), fish oil, move toward a gluten free diet by limiting wheat by eating less bread and switch to rice pasta etc. Prevention is better than anti-biotics. Good luck man. I enjoy your vids and your voice - protect it!
…The best way to not get a throat virus is to, well... not get it. If you do get it then antibiotics are... better than fish oil or GF bread.
Totally agree - once you get the virus you have to kill it with AB's but preventing it by building your body's immune system is the best defence. Pro-biotics are also good.
so we can see it in 076 this week?
I've got my 19 point "John Doe" on my Des Moines right now... planning on switching Halsey to Des Moines and putting John Doe on Worcestor.
That is... when I get Halsey...
Don't think you'd get much out of John doe on Worcester.
Shell swap time is ridiculously short anyway and ap isn't nearly as important to swap to as in the DM without the amazing pen angles.
I'm going to put John doe in the monty or nc
T 10 Atlanta
worcester sauce!!!!
Noticed no Wooster in this year KIng if the Seas, lots of Smolensk
Adrenaline Rage!!!! :)
Flamu, AR gives you 0,9 sec faster reload when at 1% of total HP, is it really worth it over let's say Jack of all trades?
I'm thinking this Radar not observing line of sight is becoming more of an important issue considering the number of ships to choose from carrying it. We need to make it clear to WG, not to smeggin complicated for players to figure out line of sight. We learned about that shit when we were toddlers :p
Murica! Fuck Yeah!
RIP DDs [*]
Cr33d as a clan tag? Did I miss something?
You mentioned turning your AA off to lure in planes, HOW? I never realized that function existed in the game, ????
Press P for sneeky-beeky.
Flamu: "You see that cut of the camo at the citadel? It will help the enemy know where to aim."
Me: "Are you saying the potatoes still don't know where the general area to aim to get a citadel? Are humans going to go extinct with these low IQ?"
And, yes, there are some ships that have citadel located in a different area but that IS the general area most people should be aiming...
Atlanta would be a lot less fun if it had to play on the T10 maps instead of the T7 maps. The bigger, more open maps make this play style a whole lot less fun. This game is a best case with a CV, plenty of cover, and the team protecting the flanks. The lack of torpedoes makes you highly dependent on your team protecting the flanks. Is there any ship more dependent on the map and good play by your team than this? Looks a lot more fun in a division than stand-alone.
Back to the days when the Worcester and Mino is a good AA ship. Now it's just a free snack for Midway. :(
the wooster?
A fully AA spec Worcester vs carrier squad
More HE spam thanks again Wargaming !!
The first Des Moines killed by Flamu, nice salt there (Chat).
Well can somebody answer this question? Should i get mino or Worcester? Cuz I have both Edinburgh and Cleveland now and I’m not sure which one to get now since they are so similar. The original plan was to get Minotaur but since they are so similar I don’t know which one to get now.
ASyoPro Gaming dunno, both?
Worcester and Mino are very similar Worcester is a HE mino without smoke in return you get radar,
The thing with mino is that if you are matched in a map with minimal island cover you could make your own cover with that smoke, whereas in Worcester you’d be a floating citadel for the enemy BBS and you’d be pretty much useless for the entire team,
And if you’re caught in the open, in minotaur you would have a better chance of survival with that excellent Royal Navy heal, excellent manœuvreability and smoke, whereas in Worcester if you’re caught in the open then you’re pretty much as good as dead,
In the Minotaur people would think twice before rushing you, and if they would you have 10 torps per side, whereas in Worcester if you’re rushed by a cruiser you’re dead and people would happily rush you as they know that you don’t have torps,
Both have their own pros and cons
Tbh it depends on your playstyle
if you like island hugging and HE spamming and don’t mind the extremely slow shell travel time go for the Worcester or Des Moines (IMO it’s better with those 203 )
Else go for the Minotaur,
Tbh I’m in similar situation but Minotaur suits my play style better but as I have the cleaveland I’ll be getting Worcester sometime later for competitive games like clan battle
Hopefully this helps
Well, do you play for gaming or for history? If the later the Worchester is a must have, but Minotaur will be more competitive in almost every single way. 10km songle fire torpedoes and 2nd best aa damage and range with best in class stealth on top of smoke.
minotaur is a dd with 10 guns and a citadel.
Go for Minotaur - I own an Atlanta and a Minotaur,
although it looks like fun 10 shells of HE with insane reload, but Minotaur with 8 shells of RN-AP and smoke is better
The Dakka Dakka fun will more often happen with smoke...
*Midway and Hak crying in corner*
This exists, and people complain about the smolensk xD
This thing is way scarier
Yea... Tier 10 Atlanta. Just what we ''needed'' in this game -.-
I guess its time to put my high tier BBs on hold for a while...
You kidding? This thing gets annihilated if a BB even looks at it.
Ya but that IF enemy T10 Atlantard doesn't hug the island and is exposed to get hit. But they all will hug islands just like that black fish in the tank ''kissing'' a tank glass. So yea, if they spot your BB, you are most likely dead or nearly dead. WG always had this troll sense of humor in matter of creating ships. Tho I dont know how much range this thing have. So for us BB's the best will be to camp long range and load AP at them. If just some of them look at me, my Montana and Conquerors deadly 419mm will wait.
You're talking like the Worcester is the only ship that would be capable of doing that.
Of course he is the only. because no other ship on T10 MM have 12 guns loaded with HE and high fire chance. Exept Zao...
I hope you realise that out of the tier 10 cruisers, Worcester has the worst fire chance. Also consider that Zao and Hindenburg both have 12 guns and they're 203mm. Not to mention all tier 10 cruisers pose a considerable threat with AP, while Worcester's AP is situational, as shown in this video.
Besides, Des Moines are already firing from behind islands, as are minotaurs and Henri IV's.
Worcester is the name of the city I live in
452 mm guns?? SIGN ME UP!
Ah, yes. The famed 452mm guns of the US Navy.
All new cruisers are designed to be support ships.
Why would specc'ing into demolition expert be 'bad' for this ship?
The fire chance increase is less useful than Superintendent.
Also seeing as Concealment and IFHE are mandatory, and AFT is "Highly Recomended"
You dont have much room for anything else.
So basically your Atlanta build
"Rooster"
Just why do camos show the vital parts of a ship...
wuh-ster.
Soooo, another HE spamming cruiser. Fun.
Good pronunciation
when the light cruiser have a best range than the heavy cruiser
Oh I'm so happy I bought the Atlanta for 12 euro... And I own the Cleveland 😋😋😋
Wow, when and where did you get that kind of a deal?
I got a hero discount because i got 1st of the team a number of times and I got a 70% discount on 4 ships +2000 doubloons. One of em was the Atlanta and I bought it😁
Noice.
Is this video still relevant?
Wait, so Wargaming produced something that's balanced?
...Did they hire Boris?
Columbia?
Also Ocean map. Or did they remove that.
I still remember few years ago, I start a game with Atlanta and find myself in the ocean, that was the last time I play that ship in random.
Interesting how WG is adding more and more post ww2 designs into the game. They do realize naval tech during and after war is significantly different right, like all cruisers practically have autoloader guns after the war, and that makes their VT shells extra deadly to planes.... and also ofc the more advanced planes aren’t in the game because that will be the remake of history, where CV takes over the navy entirely.... WG u started something u can’t plug.
Gib me tier 10 Mogami plz
I feel Minotaur is better at least I can make my own concealment with smoke and there is a threat of torps so, one would think twice before pushing into my smoke, but Worcester is better for competitive games imo
Tilson Thomas Minotaur is good but a lot of people can shoot in smoke these days. The Minotaur skill cap is really high now, and that is a problem honestly. It will be like CVs in high tiers - youre either excellent or really bad.
If a terri-bad "Below Average" rated player like myself can regularly place in the top 3 of the team in a Minotaur, I debate the idea that the Minotaur's skill cap is high.
I can only assume the bad players haven't figured out how to hide behind an island, and that the smoke is just a crutch so you can either push into cap circles or to compliment your island cover so you don't have to worry so much about being spotted from the flank.
S Candor well, I can place regularly in the top 3 of my team in my Montana or Hindenburg too, that doesnt mean I'm actually that good (I'm not). Stats are often misrepresentative. I get your point, though. What I call a good player is someone who can make plays that wins games. Doing damage and making a match-winning play are two very different things. If you believe you can regularly steer your team - not carry them - to victory, then you obviously underestimate yourself. :)
Risheen Mukherjee its very easy to track and kill a bad mino player, a bad player would get in a spot with no place to backup, press and hold the left mouse button and stay there until he is radared/pushed or blind fired. If one plays the mino properly he’ll always have a backup plan and would think one step ahead of the enemy he’d change positions inside the smoke and look out for enemy guns pointed in their direction, and at the slightest hint of trouble he’ll change position,
That’s how I play mine atleast and has worked wonders for me, the thing with Worcester is that it shines excellently when matched in maps and positions With medium to high island cover but it fails perform well on open map or a position with minimal or no terrain,
With mino if the map has decent island cover then well you could save your smokes for the later game if the map is open then you could just smoke up and do your job while playing very close attention to the map and of course the enemy BBS, in case you’re blind fired if you keep changing positions inside the smoke you could get away for the most part and you could heal back most of the damage form an unfortunate penetration/citadel with that awesome Royal Navy heal.
The Worcester doesn’t get the smoke and has insane shell arcs and doesn’t get the excellent heal of the Royal Navy so a citadel will ensure that you would be deprived of your abilities to fight back, the manoeuverablity isin’t great when compared to mino, and I feel that I won’t give up all these things just to have HE,
Gotta wait and see how the other traits of Worcester like DEF AA and radar would be like when they get nerfed after CV Redesign and radar rework, etc as said by wg in their Q&A session
flamu called it its pronounce ROOSTER you hear!!! case close 🙂
Lul, pretty even split between the fired HE and AP shells, 602 fired He shells and 270 fired AP shells flamuBlind
for me the main problem of this ship is the lack of skill required to completly deny a flank i mean you Can stay behind an island not fire at all and just smash hydro radar and def AA consumable you are still à threat to the ennemy team and if you have at least one bb with you nothing Can Come and try to kill you
3 months later and that's exactly what has happened. It has drastically shut-down so much gameplay. They need to nerf the range to Sub minotaur and just remove the radar option.
The shells look more like Cleveland speeds rather than Atlanta...
Everyone is saying Minotaur > Worcester but in reality if you want to have success in this new IFHE radar meta is to be the IFHE/RADAR meta. Worcester is the only path
Lol ocean map will be terrible for this ship unless you have a reliable dd to set smoke screens.
ocean is a terrible map.
Is Ocean still a thing? I havent had that map in more than a year regardless of what tier i play.
comes out high tier, like once in 100 games. so is not really a problem no.
I had this map 3 Times last week in my Buffalo,was very Rough.
sigh.... back when AA was good and CV's were RTS. RIP Worchester... we used to not tread on you.
Too monstrous AA and too punishing for DDs in my opinion, other than that yeah, pretty interesting ship.
Seeing that WG introduces more of these AA-monsters that reach (or even top) 1000dps with DefAA active, i expect that the upcoming CV/AA rework will bring massive nerfs to AA in general.
Because they sure want to have the upcoming British carriers being played and upcoming Premium-carriers being sold. As it is now, with planes falling by the sky just by entering a certain area around a ship... i won´t bother playing CVs.
I dont worry.
What ever the new CV mechanics will be
I am sure that the USN CL will still set the standard for god-tier AA.
Its what they do.