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a twitch software engineer came to my high school class to talk about future job opportunities once. his opener was "alright, do we have any gaaaameeeers in the room?! whoooo likes fooooortniiiite!!! how about... league of legeeeeends!!! well, guess what, i work... at twitch!!!" the guy was older than my parents and the screenshot of twitch in his powerpoint was in light mode from the desktop app no one uses. when we asked him what he did he said "good question! uhh" and danced around it for a couple minutes before basically saying he fixes bugs lmao
LMAOOO
@@MogulMail 1 minute ago
bro got pinned immediately
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@@samrie 12 seconds ago
*2.5k subs actually B)
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I cannot stress enough how many times I've opened up a stream out of curiosity and immediately closed it because of that unskippable ad. That 30 second ad is an insane deterrent from hopping around from stream to stream and checking out smaller less famous streams. Just one more Twitch policy that absolutely strangles the discoverability of small creators.
Best part is, I'm subbed and the streamer has ads turned off, I still get an ad on reloading the page because it buffers for no reason
Yeah, and when you finally watch it they aren’t doing anything.
Watching replays are absolutely worst. Watch an ad to get into the video, want to skip to a certain part? ANOTHER AD, it’s so stupid. 4 Minutes of ads!
theres no reason for the ad to be right at the beginning too. do it like 30 seconds in and it would be fine
@@BobOrKlaus just use a good adblock, twitch really hates its users it deserves nothing of the money.
@@bastip7883 who doesn't use adblockers these days lol only a few illegal streaming sites actually make you turn them off
Removing the ad free experience from prime is what turned me from a rabid stream hopper into just an occasionally stream viewer, and slowly drew me away from the site. Thank you Twitch for helping put my life in a better place! Now, instead of mindlessly wasting away on their site or watching streams on my phone I can actually do real things with my life - it’s so heart warming that Twitch has the best interests of their viewers in mind!!! 🎉🎉🎉
Good for you! Still dem adds suck.
Sad life you must of had
@@mundae5906 did you miss the point on purpose or is your brain already gone?
@@Here-is-Wendigo15 😀
@@mundae5906 pfp explains it all
The biggest problem with Ads on Twitch isn't the length or intrusiveness, some youtube ads have that. The problem with that is the live nature of the platform. The longer the ad the more of the stream you miss. If your watching it live your likely not wanting to miss anything.
bro in tournaments youll get an ad LITERALLY last 1 min of fights and miss everything. Its so sick, i cant be subbed to every single channel i would like due to money. But if theres big events going or something, why is there an AD on the most important parts of the game. So sad, Ive drastically reduced my twitch watching, and if i do watch its to the few people Im subbed too. Which other content creators get hurt by, because no one wants to wander to intrusive ads.
Creators on CZcams have control over ad durations~ we can disable the ability to skip after 5 seconds but nobody does it because viewership plummets.
@Top Kek Respectfully, what on earth are you on? YT has a lot of ads
@Top Kek I also use an ad blocker, but whenever I'm watching something from, say, a friend's laptop or on a teacher's projector, there's usually ads there - not to mention the cancerous 'double ad' combo where two ads play on top of each other, I think they introduced that a year or so ago
@@sadness_doctor572 Going from a 5 second ad or an ad you can skip in 5 seconds to an unskippable 15 or 30 second ad is one of the most cancerous things that can happen on YT I swear to god.
Crazy how twitch seems to make every single user experience worse with each decision they make
I actually love missing 3 minutes of a stream during usually the most tense moment when 6 30s ads get run.
@@peterpumpkin1 yeah when they implemented the 6-8 30 second ads every 30 minutes, I started only watching twitch on desktop with ad blocker. Watching twitch on mobile is such a garbage experience now.
@@peterpumpkin1 oh man i hate getting those ads.
@@peterpumpkin1 dud i dont have any addblocker and i only watch ads when i click on stream and they give the ad, then i dont see any other ads. and sometimes i see on chat of streamers people complain about ads but i never see any ads.
I'm so used to CZcams Vanced + Brave at this point that the few times I check out twitch it's like a culture shock
how people sit through that many ad is beyond me :O
The reason ads don't affect retention on CZcams is because the platform is designed to make the viewers come to the content they want to watch. If a viewer gets curious from the thumbnail and title, they click the video (increasing impressions) and likewise if they like the intro, style or narrative set by the content creator, then they will be willing to sit through the entire video irrespective of ads (increasing retention).
On Twitch, the content creators call the viewers to them. They start a stream and try to keep viewers engaged. Before joining a stream, a viewer usually doesn't know if they'll enjoy it as much as other streams, how long the stream will be or how often the content being shown in the stream will change. Unlike CZcams videos where the viewer knows exactly what they signed up for, on Twitch viewers watch as long as they like what they see. As such, ads cause a much more drastic impact to stream retention.
It's less to do with the culture and more to do with the type of content offered.
It's also to do with the fact many people have add blockers and don't see the adds anyway lmao
Also adblock
@@zapflash270 many, sure, but not the majority. In 2019, 70% of watch time on CZcams came in through mobile devices. Sure, lots of those are probably kids on iPads or people having something run in the background for hours on their phones like podcasts, but I can't imagine that number having gone down at all.
So 65% of people watching CZcams, give or take 5%, get ads unless they pay for premium.
@@darkfiire1647 also imagine watching a whole video of someone talking about problems with ads on a certain platform and the only thing you have to say to add to the conversation is "yeah but I'm cool, I don't get ads because I use as block"
@@darkfiire1647 they patched it
Not sure if this is from the streamers end, but I was getting like 3-5min worth of ads unskippable throughout 3 different streams I clicked on before returning to CZcams. It's been a while since watching Twitch so it was definitely a unbelievably annoying experience.
The only thing I hate about ads on twitch is because you miss the content on CZcams you basically pause the video but even on streams on CZcams you can go back to when the ad started and just watch in 2x speed to see what you missed
Exactly im fine with ads on youtuve because it doesnt make you miss anything AND its FREE they pay millions of creators and need to get money somehow plus they are really short twitch runs like minute sometimes + of ads and at that point i just click off
Love watching on 2x speed to catch up feels like I’m getting my times worth tuning in
Yep. I wish you could rewind on twitch mobile.
Some streams will occasionally have a small box where you can see the stream when the ad runs but, you still miss a lot, can’t rewind, and often there are like 7 (!!) 30 second ads!
Even on the mobile app. Being able to pause, and then catching up on the streams with 2x is the best feature.
A German 24/7 Live stream on CZcams (RockedBeansTV) makes Ad breaks, just like a normal TV channel.
If CZcams just makes their chat way more fun like Twitch's and gets a dedicated streaming section more like Twitch's, they'd absolutely dominate overnight.
i want nothing more than for this to happen
The hard part is a lot of the important emotes like 'pog' and whatnot are likely copyright owned by twitch, meaning there is going to be a natural struggle of trying to make an equivalent on youtube.
@@lurac5710 thats only twitch global emotes; shit form bttv would be free game, and i think actually already works on yt. i think the biggest difference chat wise between yt & twitch is message delay & theatre mode. twitch has the ui down.
I'm hoping back and forth and those reasons are the ONLY reason i keep going back too twitch (because i have a few subs/follows and I'm monetized there not here yet), I hate losing my vods, my videos aren't able too be processed most times in higher than 4500kb CZcams both those issues are gone (but it is absolutely an afterthought on CZcams unfortunately)
youtube is absolutely fumbling the bag with streaming
As a relatively recent twitch partner, (2021) can confirm never received the 70% split anyway, always been at 50
Another example with Twitch's ads that especially gets me is that if you get an ad you are now watching the stream with a pretty big delay and to fix it you have to either refresh the page or pause and unpause the stream
which both give you another set of ads
which gives you another big delay
You can also go settings, advanced, and turn low latency off and on again to resync
you're absolutely right about the ad thing, i'll open twitch to see what one of the streamers i watch is doing and immediately get met with a minute or more of ads no matter where i go - at that point it's much easier to just close the site and go watch a youtube video
I haven’t watch live streams since I started college but I finally got some time on my hands, got on twitch and left after like 5 mins because it was an insane amount of ads. I’m just gonna keep watching vods and clips now :/
adblock?
@@guildwarsnerd123 I was on my phone was never so down bad to get Adblock on it lol
Was watching Miz earlier got 3 ads when I clicked on his stream, watched him for like 2 minutes then got 7 ads. Everytime I go on twitch I feel like I'm trying to read a BuzzFeed article not watch a twitch stream.
This might have changed, but I am pretty sure that twitch forces you to COMPLETELY watch a full 30-sec ad to the end… Then you can skip around as much as you want for a reasonable amount of time before it serves you another. I think the intention is so users aren’t misincentivized to always jump to their 2nd-choice of stream just because their 1st had an ad, and they clicked away just to make it disappear. (I’m sure there are better solutions, but it makes sense from a design perspective.)
IMO, this isn’t incredibly different than CZcams when it occasionally serves you an ad that is only skippable after a longer period of time. For example, CZcams usually gives a couple ads that you can skip after five or 10 seconds, and then there’s the occasional 30 second unskippable pre-roll if you’re jumping around.
…Right? Those might have changed, so def correct me if I’m wrong… I’m a premium subscriber so i only notice this at other people’s houses lol
another thing about twitch ads that i never see anyone mention is how fucking godawful the sound normalisation is on them. i usually like listening to streams/vods in the background while im either doing something or going to sleep but they 1000% have to either be someone im subbed to or from a youtube archive. you will have the most relaxing stream ever gently playing in the background and then the roaring of a thousand helicopters screaming about adobe photoshop will destroy your eardrums its ridiculous
that’s on purpose, they get your attention
@@katteisace4563 they get me off the website lol
It's my impression that they make them annoying so that you sub lmao
Getting vietnam flashbacks from spotify ads
Also how you will get hit with like 7-12 in a row of 15-30 seconds of unskippable ads, I just quit out the site any time my adblocker sells me lmaoo
i feel like if this goes the right way for youtube they could immediately swoop in and sign tons of huge streamers on like they did with ludwig because twitch simply wont pay well enough for a lot of people and the ones that are still making enough money might just move for the sake of convenience if the rest of twitch goes to shit with new policies or something like that
i do enjoy those categories on twitch, i remember looking up playthroughs of story games like man of medan, little hope, until dawn, detroit become human and finding it super interesting to see how different people played those stories coz it was so easy to just scroll through live streams of those games
I don't really watch live streams too often and rarely do I watch them live but i'd much rather look like live streams for games on twitch instead of youtube
especially since the category of what you're doing can change as your stream changes so it doesn't matter if a streamer has streamed for 4 hours already doing something else if I'm tuning in for a particular category
I often find myself going on twitch, getting a 30s - 1m ad instantly, and being so put off that i’ll just go watch youtube. It cant just be me either, i feel like this happens with a ton of potential viewers
You and me both brother
For the past year I've been watching Twitch Vods because of how bad this got. It kills live viewing a decent bit but I get no ads and can skip dead moments / parts of stream I don't care about. Twitch is just not what it used to be.
I refuse to watch Twitch for their unreasonable ads. At least CZcams premium gets rid of ads completely.
That's me for sure. If the ad is skippable or if it has a rewind feature for the stream in real time like CZcams, I might do it but having ads just make me miss the stream. And the ads are so goddamn long.
same i try to watch xqc overwatch gameplay and give up because of too many ads
Twitch has a chance to not make this change. We all know what would happen if they do but does Twitch really know how bad it will be. I'm not too close to Twitch culture, but Ludwig and many others have already paved a path to show Twitch streamers that the culture of Twitch can be sustained on another platform.
@Locked ur mom
The problem is the culture of Twitch can't even be sustained on Twitch. That's why they're doing this. They don't profit. Creators would do well to offer up ideas to Twitch that might help increase revenues in ways that preserves the culture, like Poki did with her suggestion of more border ads.
@@pittfan80 OBJECTION HEARSAY!
its basically either this or kill prime
@@filipemoreira374 _that was your own question_
1:50 Note: 70% of the sub money is 100% of the streamer's income from subs. So, the pay cut is 20/70 = 28.6% (i.e. a lot more).
i think you mean 30/70 not 20/70
@@jacobrodriguez3712 I don’t understand why I would mean 30/70 instead of 20/70? The difference between 70 and 50 is 20.
@@paawanjethva I thought it was a ratio my bad
@@jacobrodriguez3712 it is ratio, I do mean 20 divide 70 here.
The thing about CZcams ads is they are more like ads when you’re watching sports on TV, they give you a natural break to scratch your back or something. But you can’t really miss a second on twitch or you might miss a big moment. I often find myself switching to YT or a streaming service after a couple of ads on twitch bc they kinda kill the vibe
I'm so glad someone finally talks about how intrusive and awful the ads on Twitch are. Another thing that ads absolutely ruin too are raids (at least on mobile in my experience) since you're not immediately sent to the other broadcasters chat and instead have to go through another link that pops up. What happens when you go through that link though? A 30 second unskippable ad which makes you end up missing the streamers reaction to the raid.
Twitch is just giving so many reasons to leave their platform
Another thing - ads on vods. I just want to scroll through a vod to get to the highlights, not watch back to back ads
@@ca-ke9493 this exactly. Vod ads are like 3 back to back ads every 10 mins
@@ca-ke9493 yeah, especially if you're in a different time zone and you want to watch the rest of the stream
time for elon musk to buy out youtube and twitch.
@@ca-ke9493 i thing it normal to be ads on vods, but will be much preferred if you can skip them
It’s crazy that twitch is in such a good spot in the industry but are still having trouble staying profitable. If CZcams really gets their shit together and makes streaming not feel like an afterthought I could see them taking a large chunk of twitch’s user base
Yup. I swear it took me a few whole days to even figure out how to find Ludwig's stream when he was live after he swapped. It's just not terrible intuitive, but that's really the only issue it has. And that should be easily solvable.
How by removing even more ads like Ludwig’s saying in this video? How do you think companies like this make profit go back to 9th grade home ec
@@t0xictymdbd515 We're saying the site needs to be more easily navigable and have better streaming recommendations like Twitch does, not fewer ads. Work on your reading comprehension while we're in home ec.
Why take twitch user base when they only need to convert a small percentage of their native user to livestream watchers?
@@neoncamouflage bro he was talking about twitch, twitch is easily navigable. theyre just reducing ads so they have to find another way to make profit, maybe u should ' Work on your reading comprehension while we're in home ec.'
I agree so much, especially with the initial ads when you first start watching. Another thing with the ads is that they’re ALWAYS the same 3 ads, it’s like the employees don’t actually watch to know how annoying that is. I’ve probably seen the same audible ad about 1000 times because I’d stick twitch on in the background at work. I despise audible now.
3:18 I got an ad AS SOON as you said that LMAOOOO
I really wish Twitch would show their creators they care, but their decisions just reflect cold corporate values. It's going to end up driving away creators and users alike in the end
That's what we thought about CZcams.
aamazo n momente
@@1Plebeian Very true they have made a lot of bad decisions too, but I do think in the last 2 years YT has been at least trying to move forward where twitch seems like it is moving backwards
It's twitch they don't care what people think or how they feel just as long as they have money
@@mariahperez8173 2 steps backwards one step forwards imo. Being better than twitch isn't exactly hard.
Watching Twitch has become much more unbearable already with how *aggressively* intrusive the ads have become. And they're TV ads, and they're *loud*. It's like Twitch don't understand what their service actually is, and they're just turning it into television. I stopped watching television years ago, and I don't want to have to stop watching Twitch too.
even worse than tv, on twitch you miss content!! tv cuts it and brings it back 15 min later where you left, twitch just dont even care
The absolute worst part about the ads when pulling up twitch streams is when a friend is like "YO PULL UP XYZ STREAM THIS IS CRAZY" and then I have to wait a full minute of ads and I already missed it
As soon as he started talking about ads in his videos at 3:10 I got an ad. Incredible timing Lud
CZcams tries to put midrolls at convenient times, so it looks for when the video says "ad" or similar
As a creator I struggle a lot choosing between CZcams and Twitch for streaming. CZcams is superior for discoverability hands down. There is no way to filter for streams in a user-friendly way (which there should be) but CZcams still offers more. If you watch one stream for 2 minutes you will get at least one stream on your homepage if you're subscribed (in my experience) which is superior to Twitch discoverability. Twitch has no discoverability if you're the new kid on the block, full stop. Your only hope is a raid from a bigger streamer. But CZcams's streaming UI is dog water. Twitch UI is much better from a user and creator perspective for sure. But CZcams has better rev splits, and less bias bans/strikes. While Twitch will ban someone for something minor and then give a person who basically threatened violence a free pass and reduce their ban because they made a threat. They both have strengths and disadvantages as of now. But the second CZcams gets a livestream overhaul and makes it functional from a user and creator perspective Twitch is done for from my point of view. People have disliked the platform for years and this does not help their case.
Very good points. I think a big selling point for me with YT's live streaming is the ability to rewind while the stream is live. Super useful if I miss something. With Twitch's UI, you have to jump through a lot of hoops. On the flip side, Twitch's chat/mod capabilities are far superior
bro I read this in your voice 💀
leaked script for spatnz’ next video
I read this in your voice and added sound effects in my head like it was one of your videos lmao
For me, CZcams also loads faster than Twitch, which is nice
The whole Twitch Ad situation is why I haven't been able to get into Twitch at all despite trying quite a few times. I've donated almost over $2.5k to different streamers because I can financially support such a thing but have probably spent less than 24 hours actually using Twitch itself. The only enjoyment I have been able to gain from Twitch is through donating to streamers who's highlights I watch here on CZcams, and the only way I have ever found streamers I enjoy is through CZcams. I've always wanted to get into stream hopping to find a small streamer to enjoy and maybe donate a decent amount to but the ads make me immediately lose my attention and I never can follow through.
That’s so sad 🥺🥺🥺 I hope CZcams live-streaming gets better and more people jump on the train
I always block ads lol
Hey you’re so well off donate to me
You know Turbo exists for like less than 10 bucks a months and you don't see the ads, but you do count as seeing them, ya?
I love IronMouse. Great small streamer to donate to. She actually deserves oilers. My good deed for the day.
i agree! the adds r the main reason that even if someone is live, ill wait for the vod. i love interacting live as much as the next person, but waiting for the vod on youtube or just watching somthing live on youtube instead is just a better experience to me.
4:50 we do leave the platform when that happens, or at least I do
They want less small streamers and kill them off faster. They want their whales.
But only half of them.
whales wouldn't want to stay either tho
Sort of like dankpods couldn’t get payment for months on his garbage time streams and moved to the independent floatplane platform run by LTT.
you need the smaller streamers for the whale model to work. otherwise your whales will all "die out" in a few years, popular streamers will rotate out by the nature of things, and if no one is there to replace them the website will die off.
unless they're transitioning to the milking phase of twitch, where they bleed it for every penny they can until it dies then that seems like a bad idea
@@TheShizzlemop It's not really that bad of an idea because the platform was honestly going to fail overtime anyway. Just like people are getting tired of netflix people will also get tired of watching live streams over time. It's not something that will just die off but it's something that a platform like Twitch just can't keep up with as the demand dwindles. They don't make enough money to keep that system running forever. Where as youtube has a lot more money coming in and backing it. If they start seeing the platform is falling off ANYWAY then they'll most likely just milk it for everything they can because you'd want to make as much profit as possible for closing down.
It is only going to get worse for Twitch. They already cut the desktop client and are still struggling to deliver innovation. The tech hiring shortage is going to make their engineering problems even worse. Agree that the repeat ads are a huge turnoff. I'll often just close twitch if there isn't something I absolutely have to watch because trying to discover new content is so hard with all the ads
Why would they cut the desktop client💀
@@z1no3n it was shit
adblock
Wait they cut the desktop client??? How does that work for curse & the Twitch games library???
@@Chloelol They sold the curse stuff ages ago to overwolf. It's been gone for at least half a year.
Edit: it works mostly the same as before just a different launcher and different developers.
Gotta love the ad roll playing as soon as lud says "youtube got alotta ads"
Twitch: “oh no, people found out our streamers are well-compensated, we have to resolve this controversy asap”
Now would be the ideal time for CZcams to step up and implement the changes to their livestreams that have been discussed.. Streamers wouldn't think twice about swapping if these two things happen at the right times
czcams.com/video/qOCC3RBzNrM/video.html Finally its here.
Agreed
google will sooner or later do other evil or bigger cut :X
ludwig suddenly loves his move to youtube
Tim was talking about it today and said how happy he was to leave after these last like 9 months. It's so bad.
If people start moving/streaming in both then Ludwig got the best deal he could by moving at the time he did
@@TheQwerty256 true he literally got out before the rug pull 😂
@@TheQwerty256 yeah true and plus for the amount of money he got it was the best
@@bobhanson1037 twitch is in a rough state and do need to fix ads
Speaking on youtube adds:
They became way to common and long for my liking when double unskippable adds were rolled out. I don't want to watch a 15 second add and another 7 second add for a 3 minute video. So, I switched from watching youtube on my phone to my laptop, with adblock! It's just so nice to be able to watch a video immediately. The only time I use youtube on my phone is for some shorts.
Did you purposefully put an ad at 3:21 cause man... That timing was perfect lmao
I wont lie, part of the reason I stopped using twitch all together was the ads. I kept getting frustrated over the number of back to back ads within the same stream for content that I only just vaguely enjoyed. I dont have the highest patience for streams but the ads just make the experience so much worse. The ads are also so atrocious to watch too?
The worst part for me too is whenever you join a new stream they ALWAYS run ads so I don't feel like it's worth to hop into a stream when I have to wait 2 minutes to do so
ads these days are just mostly bad in general
Bruh ads make any experience worse. Who actually likes watching ads?
@@BladeMaktar atrioc ;)
@MF ZEN where did i say i wanted ads gone all together? 🤨 i know their purpose and i don’t care for them on sites like youtube. twitch’s ad implementation is just gross and makes it unbearable compared to literally any other site. So stop putting words in my mouth and insulting me
This is his community, he truly cares.
Once I clicked on a Pokemane stream. I was served a 30 second ad, which was a bit strange, but it said ONE OUT OF SEVEN in the corner. Outrageous!
1:53 It’s actually a 30% pay cut (proportionally).
The number in the split was indeed lowered 20% though
Not that I was making the 70/30 cut anyways. But this makes me so sad as someone who JUST became a Twitch partner after streaming for years.
Aren't you that yoru main?
Fix your fucking thumbnails wtf
Twitch really shot themselves in the foot way back with the Ninja scenario. That really opened everyone's eyes to how terrible twitch is when it comes to creators. So many other streaming services exist, that there is becoming less and less incentive to work with the company that doesn't support its creators.
I also think it really revealed their colors when Ludwig explained that he had two great offers from both Twitch and CZcams and it was a hard choice, but CZcams showed they wanted him and even offered to negotiate more. Then when we went back to Twitch they just said "Ahh oh well have fun at CZcams." Like they didn't even attempt to negotiate to keep a streamer who was in the top 10 of revenue generation on their platform. An absolute show of indifference to content creators and an attitude that make them look like they believe they are too big to fail
@@20Tresten wasn't just when he was top 10 in revenue. They did this to lud while he was breaking twitch records and still had the highest sub count directly after the subathon
@@20Tresten they really thought they could treat such big streamers that way and get away with it. Like no dude what makes you think I wont stop using the app if my fav streamer left.
I literally got an 2 unskippable ads EXACTLY as you were saying “my bad” to getting a lot of long ads 😂
"you'll leave the platform is another ad is played!" an ad immediately plays
I got 2 ads instantly after he told there are a lot of ads on youtube
Everyone did (probably) he most likely intentionally placed it there
LMAO happens to the best of us
get ad block
@@tahafury Not all people, I didn't and many other people probably didn't either. No adblock btw
@@NooNoo-qj5nm probably because of what Ludwig mentions on his video about CZcams keeping track on how many ads you've watched in a certain amount of time and decreasing your ad count (you watched the video, ludwig explained it better)
Honestly twitch ads are a big reason why I never watch twitch. Even when I first discovered your channel on here, I never made the move over to twitch bc as soon as I try, I get struck with so many unskippable ads. Same with other streamers on twitch. And since you can't rewind twitch streams, it makes it easier to want to leave ESPECIALLY for people who don't like to miss things. With games like GTA RP, it's easy to fall behind on what's happening when ads roll in, and if you miss too much, you're more likely to just leave and wait for the VOD to be uploaded to youtube. That being said, I really like the way azan goes about ads and makes it a point to only do 1 min at the top of the hour every hour.
Anyways, TLDR: youtube frog always and forever xqcL
Now that you mention it, even though I don't really like watching streams in general, I really love the simple fact that you can rewind a livestream on youtube and play it on 2x speed.
Yeah honestly I prefer watching vods or streams on CZcams than I ever like on twitch
LMAOOO Not Lud running an ad right during his ad talk
One of the big issues with ads on twitch for me is that they play when you click into a stream. You know what I do when I get on twitch in the evening? Click around on the different streamers to see what's happening. This will often get me to watch smaller streamers that I don't usually watch if they have some interesting content. But then I get like 5 minutes of ads it's INSANE.
People making mods like BTTV, FFZ and 7TV have done way more for Twitch than the actual company has done. I remember complaining about Twitch not having a live rewind function like CZcams and most other streaming sites 10 years ago and they still don't even have that. You can work around it now, but it still makes you wonder what engineers in companies like Twitch and Twitter even do when the only things that have really released in the past 10 years are bits, hype trains, and API for some overlay stuff that is still pretty niche.
Sad part about twitch not having a good rewind system, the vod is published live, whereas with YT, it is kinda till you hit the 2 hour mark. You stream on Twitch for 8 hours, as soon as you end stream, it is right there ready to be watched in full glory. So you would think that adding a rewind shouldn't be an issue.
4:17 another thing that honestly made me want to delete the app entirely is that it would show me the actual stream for a few seconds, and it could be a really important moment then a 30 second, unskippable ad pops ip and i completely miss the moment. then i have to go back in the vod because i want to actually fucking see what happened and they make me watch another fucking 30 second ad to even watch the moment they took away from me. now i barely watch twitch because they try so hard to cuck me
I think there's a little more to the whole ad density thing, I personally throw videos on in the background to create some noise while I play games so if an ad comes on I'll usually not recognize it and keep going. Ingrained in CZcams culture? Yeah, but the thing is at most I've gotten 2 ads which usually vary from 5-30 seconds. Not sure if twitch has it but we have a skip ad button here so if it's an ad I don't like I'll skip it or use the don't show me this ad thing you can pull up if you click on the i next to the time thingy.
Slight amendment; I paused to comment this just before you mentioned the skip ad button.
3:19 that ad placement was amazing
I can’t believe twitch is killing their website.
i can
i CAN'T BELIEVE IT EITHER
A lot of websites are
really? they have been killing it since 2020, maybe even earlier
Kinda like how Tumblr killed themselves
The thing is, YT has it perfected. Twitch live ads make you miss out on content that you have no way to rewind to unless you go back down to the vod which is still riddled with ads. On YT, not many ads on livestreams and ads are mainly on the vods and regular videos which you don’t miss out on when watching an ad, the content is still there and paused for you after you watch only 5 to 30 seconds.
You can also rewind CZcams livestreams if you miss something.
5:55 mobile youtube drives me nuts. I spend countless hours on desktop blocking ads and then my mobile is like HERE HAVE ALL THE ADS. Very frustrating experience.
5:20 what you said is so true. When i watch twitch on my mobile device and when I switch from one channel to another i have to watch unskipable ad and its so frustrating. Which sometimes make me close twitch and go to CZcams instead
The ads when skipping between different streams is one of the reasons I've never got into Twitch. If I'm trying to find a streamer who is doing something I like, I don't want to watch 10x 30second ads within 10 minutes as I'm checking each of my key streamers when I hop on
One thing I think CZcams should implement is a "bonus membership feature" with youtube premium, similar to twitch prime but for youtube's memberships.
CZcams premium is that one service I'd really like to get, but costs just a little too much money for my college student pockets; but implementing a way to also directly support one content creator I really like would be amazing and make me buy it in a heartbeat!
You should send that recommendation directly to CZcams :)
They should make it a dollar for a week or something, a week of no ad. CZcams have probably around a billion or more users. Imagine a billion of people goes 'oh so cheap!' and frequently bought the premium membership.
Honestly, the price is indeed too high for young people. They should make it more affordable- they are able to stay afloat before even without bunch of ads, why cant they now? They have no competition.
Idk how it is in America, but here in Sweden, if you're a student (Idk about highschool, but for University it works), you get a pretty big discount. I think I pay $7 a month, and since I don't use Spotify it's great to also have a music service included in that price. I think I average 2-7h a day on YT, so $7 def feels worthwhile
I'm pretty sure views from people who pay for CZcams support creators more than people who watch for free. It's not direct donations level, but part of your membership goes to creators you watch.
@@HampusTman Yes, that's true for America too!
3:15 i got an ad right after he said that lol
3:38 also on CZcams ads don't actually take you away from the content, imagine if you are watching your favorite streamer and suddenly an ad comes in the middle of a really memorable moment, that ad literally removed the experience of that moment from you.
That is literally why I don’t use Twitch. Those ads _every_ time I click on a stream are annoying
They’re as bad as CZcams’s ads except CZcams’s ads are easier to avoid
@@BladeMaktar Did you even pay attention to the video?
Twitch - 30 second unskippable ad, _every_ stream I click on
CZcams - 5-15 seconds of ad time, not on every video
Its weird how companies seem to consistently do things to hurt their brand's name and just constantly disrespect their communitiy (Twitch, YT, Nintendo, Netflix, etc)
I’d say it’s the businessmen mentality of increasing profits rather than sustainability. Business leadership will always be focused on the bottom line, and will always drive their companies into the ground as a result.
What did Netflix do?
@@heart.9889 Spent an unbelievable amount of money on trash shows nobody watched, all while raising prices and charging extra for basic features their competitors include like 4k resolution. Their prices might be justfied if they still had a huge library, but they've also been letting popular shows drop off. Just a terrible deal for their customers, and their last earnings report showed that people are cancelling in droves and they expect to lose even more.
So twitch adding ads is “consistently hurting their brand name” twitter with less ads is losing hundreds of millions how do you think corporations make a profit without having sponsors from other NON PROFIT and profit sponsors
@@t0xictymdbd515 twitch is basically becoming cable TV with the amount and the length of ads. People are used to content being readily available on the internet and not having to sit through minutes of ads. That's really hurting Twitch's reputation. Users leave the site quickly and go to watch a CZcams video instead.
I'd rather loose the option to sub with prime then get even more ads.
I'm sure this is quite different for creators especially the ones that are just barely able to go fulltime, but I think that by increasing the amount of ads on live content they'll just focus a bigger portion of the viewerbase onto the big streamers since viewers won't be able to have a propper live experience without subscriptions anymore. 60 seconds of ads might not sound like much but they can easily make you miss a quick round in valorant, a raid ending gunfight in eft or a funny interaction in GTA rp if they hit at the wrong time.
The problem is not that twitch is going to put on more ads the problem is how they push out those ads.
the ads everytime i switch to different streamer on twitch is exactly why i never use twitch
3:15 I literally got an add after him saying that 🗿
Me too
Honestly, the ads on Twitch was a big part of why I completely stopped using the platform.
They were awful.
I liked watching streams to fall asleep and the ads were so loud and so frequent that I just stopped using Twitch entirely.
At 3:18 i got an ad right after you talked about them.
I am a smaller content creator on Twitch and I never run ads on my stream. I don't have them automatically scheduled, nor do I have manual triggers set-up for them because I am well aware of how intrusive they are and how poorly designed the advertising system is on Twitch. I tend to believe I am more community-sided as all I really care about is to play and communicate with my viewers. The money from bits and gift subscriptions is just a nice bonus.
No advertisements should play automatically during the livestream whatsoever unless manually triggered by the content creator themselves when taking a break or stepping away for a bit. Even the slight possibility of someone missing out on a cool play, an important discussion subject, the content creator's response to their message because of an ad should absolutely be out of the question for a streaming platform.
amen, I can understand having ads in the vods n replays because that shit aint live. but if you're watchin a stream it's because of the live aspect which ads in the way twitch implements them completely disrupts
Twitch: proposes cutting streamer revenue
Ludwig, a youtube streamer: NOT IN THIS CAR
Not being able to skip adds on twich is a major turn off
Very true. When I leave a channel to see someone else and the same ad plays again even after I just saw it a minute ago makes me leave the twitch website cause I know if I want to look for new creators ima have to watch another ad.
1:53 actually, although they’re losing 20% more revenue, it’s actually roughly a 28.6% paycut. I feel super bad for the streamers who rely on their income as this could crush them.
thanks, i also thought of that! almost 1/3 paycut is so large it’s very odd
How did u get this number? 20/70 is roughly 0.29 according to my calculator
@@essayna rounding 20/70 I guess idk
@@essayna If you round up to no decimals Yeah. With one decimals it’s 28,6. (20/70 = 0.2857… ≈ 28,6%)
I'm a software engineer, and the amount of work that goes into maintaining and bug fixing is insane- and you'd think that Twitch would be rocking out new features left and right, but even that process is long and involved, requiring multiple people in various capacities. Dev, review, dev, review, testing, dev, review, testing, etc etc.. its a process.
Before I got into the industry I couldn't understand how a company could possibly need hundreds of developers, but it makes much more sense once the curtain is pulled back.
I am a software engineer student and doing an intership now. What you are saying is definitely true, especially the streaming part is difficult to maintain and expensive as hell. But I think for the scale that they operate. They could set up a group that focuses on small but impactfull changes for the average viewer, and see what sticks like youtube does a lot.
yeah this seems more like they suffer from management issues. tech startup with mangement issues, shocker.
I usually watch CZcams and I’ve had premium for about a year so that probably influences my opinion but almost any time I go to watch a twitch stream I immediately leave bc the ads are so annoying and so long (compared to YT) I’d rather wait for the VOD to be uploaded
@@vatsalchaudhari wtf
Why not just use an ad blocker and save the money. Premium’s only good feature is the removal of ads which you can get for free
@@schizzle5648 Using adblocker cucks over the creators. Premium let's you get the best of both worlds. Support creators and get rid of ads.
@@dombrovskiy12 Not only does it support creators, but it does so much more
@@schizzle5648 i had an ad blocker for a bit but most sites could detect it and make me turn it off. Also on mobile Premium lets you watch/listen to videos with the app closed and your phone locked and i listen to alot of podcasts/long form content throughout the day so that was a big seller for me.
Love how an ad pops up when you started talking about it
That ad placement was golden😂😂👍🏼
The day CZcams implements a proper live streaming tab for finding new streamers and making it easier to find and watch live streams by channels you’re subscribed to is the day Twitch dies.
I think people not using Twitch anymore after complaining about everything they’re doing wrong is the day Twitch dies
With twitch becoming more “mainstream” it’s awesome seeing all these great creators get the spot light and money bags they deserve, but it’s also very sad to see the corporate vultures closing in to pick at the corpse of this wonderful platform. I suppose it’s just a price you have to pay.
Burh twitch has been mainstream for years they are n0. 1 in the past few years wdym spotlight lmao
twitch was mainstream now fb and shit are becoming more mainstream twitch is struggling because everything else is more for the viewer and not throwing 300 adds at people, its been around forever and its one of the worst platforms for viewer experience
@@Apple_Beshy ask your parents if they’ve heard of twitch or know what goes on there lol. It definitely hasn’t been mainstream for years. It’s making its way into the normie world now but still far from “mainstream for the past few years”
that’s actually why i stopped going on twitch and actually deleted the app was because of the ads. it didn’t used to be like that yearssss ago. i also like to switch through steamers and i get hit with a 30 second ad every stream
It’s true about the ads like if I click like a notification on my phone or on a stream that I’m curious about and get a pre-roll and I usually just close out Twitch lol I’m distracted with something else by the time the ads done. And like someone said already with ads on twitch you miss the content
This is the EXACT reason why I don't watch a single streamer I'm not subbed to. I also can't afford to sub to more than 1 on top of prime.
Twitch is the reason why I watch CZcams.
Honestly it seems like twitch is stuck by Amazon and streamers should also partly understand that If things don’t change, they can get rid of twitch, we like to think of things as permanent rather than realizing if they don’t please their superiors there is no twitch. Overall great video Ludwig I love the true and honest content showing your unbiased feelings.
I don’t think Amazon will just “get rid of” twitch, even they know that’s just a waste of their sphere of social influence, time, and profit. Even if they went through with worse case scenario, Twitch is going to still be around as a platform
Twitch doesnt want Amazon to liquidate them, they need Amazon's money; only Elon can do better for them
then its amazon being stupid instead, doesn't change the bottom line
@@paddington1670
Oh look it’s an Elon fan who thinks the answer to every single business problem is to throw Elon musk at it. Elon is not that good at business my guy, and besides now that Elon owns Twitter I doubt the government would allow him to buy twitch as well due to anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws.
@@courier6960 they make no profit on twitch, twitch bleeds cash. Even if you’re a huge company it’s not a smart move.
i got an ad as soon as you started talking about ads lmao
Funny thing about the ads on CZcams is if your not watching the video on the CZcams app and instead on safari or chrome then you only get hit with one ad at the beginning and depending on how long the video is maybe one in the middle if the videos over 30 minutes long which is very nice
the most annoying part abt the twitch ad thing is switching thru multiple streams for smash tournaments. squad stream is a solution sometimes, but if not tournaments w multiple streams are miserable to watch
So pay to not have ads
Do you see a Connor McGregor fight for free? No it’s payperview
If you want uninterrupted content you have to pay for it Ludwig is just paid more by CZcams than through ad revenue he knows his view time is lower due to the increase of ads whether political or non profit animal shelters
I wholeheartedly agree with what Lud said about ads. Very often I'd tune in to twitch to casually watch something, get an unskippable 30 seconds ad, watch it, get a SECOND ad, lose patience, and swap back to youtube streams
I only really use twitch for smash tournament streams nowadays, but recently ive even started switching to watching vods of those on youtube instead
if there was a "shorts" home page kinda thing on twitch for clips.. i think that might help with discoverability.
but i love how youtube lets you set a reminder for an individual stream. that's nice, sometimes i wanna see one thing not all of their content past and future
I've seen ads back to back on CZcams even when switching videos. Usually the ads are two 15 second unskippable ads.
9:45 CZcams's discoverability isn't about finding your live stream, it's about clips and videos from your Livestream being served by the algorithm. Growing your live audience as your non-live content grows and you gain a following. Twitch just cannot compete with that.
That’s true, like sure the discoverability of livestreams on CZcams sucks but discoverability of your clips and videos is way better, and once I watch a few vids of someone, their live stream gets recommended to me when they’re live anyway. I never look for lud’s livestream it just pops up if he happens to be live
EXACTLY
I've pulled up twitch and closed it within a minute because of the back to back ads. Sometimes I want to see what someone is streaming but the ad makes me just go to someone else, and the same thing happens again.
Interesting how youtube consciously avoids that. I've never noticed it but I guess that's sort of the point.
3:18 I got an ad right after he says this lol
5:30 I keep getting ads whenever I watch CZcams on my Switch
Twitch has been stacking 30 second ads 7 deep! You’re totally right it makes what’s good about twitch (live content and lots of creators) difficult to appreciate. Once in a while I’ll get an ad with a small preview box of the stream under it, but that’s rare.
yeah i had like 4 minutes of ads one time and instantly alt -f4'd cause wtf is that.
The way twitch does ads is exactly why I don’t really watch any twitch streamers. And not being able to rewind is a massive downside for me, the streams I watch are packed with content and I lose a LOT of the experience if I miss even a minute
How about you go touch grass? Instead of watch Ludwig cook a potato outside and peeing???? Guess that’s PACKED FULL OF CONTENT
@@t0xictymdbd515 hey bud you doing okay need someone to talk to you seem to have a lot of anger 💔
@@t0xictymdbd515 Calm down big guy
@@bluwu_madi they literally have toxic in their name their probably trolling
@@stormstudios1 I'm aware shawty 💀
Ill sometimes get ads for simply just refreshing or reloading a stream that Im on even though I just watched one
Lol “apt of add every couple minutes” then an ad plays