Is Switching to YouTube a Mistake?
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When the extension gets figured out I think youtube could slap. Honestly being able to pause stream and not have to miss big chunks is so nice.
I don't think CZcams would allow extension for CZcams for ever. Because mobile users of CZcams are huge and extensions aren't available on mobile.
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 they could make an attempt to integrate those features into CZcams itself, because the technologies’ there and already done for them, they just have to figure out how to make them work better with the core youtube
Honestly the biggest thing I want from CZcams streams is a pop-out player.
@@Cranky__ that's on CZcams premium
@@Cranky__ yeah dude it's the best function that Twitch has cause i can play gacha games while watching Twitch. I wish they'd also add the audio only background option cause it's great when your on the move.
Not having “Live” as a main tab on the mobile app also really hurts CZcams live. I’d bet a ton of their mobile user-base don’t even know it exists
my live tab on mobile is just filled with who i watched and reccomended channels ☠
I agree but youtube has acknowledged its an issue and is being worked on.
Give it a years and they'll have a much better interface for live as their engineers update it
I only know about it from remembering when there was a clearer way to find it, and looking for it when I thought they legit removed live streaming categories or whatever. It has absolutely nothing and I can’t find any actual live streams on it, but the thing is there at least
For real. The shorts tab is so unnecessary IMO, just replace that with a Live tab
When he clicked on IShowSpeed live on CZcams I just remember the scene that got him banned from twitch💀
CZcams is VERY VOD oriented. They need a Livestream tab on Mobile like shorts and have a proper recommendation tab for the average viewer to watch a livestream they’d mist likely click to watch. They’ve done this so quickly with news, if you scroll for just a few seconds you’ll find all the news you could ever consume, add something like that for popular/upcoming streams.
Amogus
Well said
all the people who aren't former twitch frogs (or like in the 13-30 demographic) will have a fit if that happens. CZcams caters to way more than just CZcams gaming like twitch does. might bring more hate on it if it's integrated like shorts
Literally just show people a random top livestream every once in a while at the end of a video (recommend) or put you on it after a short and viola. People see streams.
@@margo3c541 why would they have a fit if the sorting made more sense? The CZcams community has always been against the CZcams UI, they’ve never really seemed to get it right
I enjoy youtube ludwigs content better. I feel like there is more thought involved. Plus the vod system on CZcams is OP compared to twitch.
During the live stream I can pause for a few minutes and catch up on 2 times speed without missing any content.
CZcams also has better quality control. It doesn't lag like twitch does when your internet slows down, it just drops your viewing quality automatically.
Slay queen HYPERCLAP
Literally love pausing and vods on CZcams, I hate missing a moment and not being able to rewind or having to do something for a bit and miss many minutes with a painful system to watch it back later
I do the exact same thing
Exactly!
Like I hate twitch for the lag that happened to me when watching someone live; because no matter what I do to try to fix the lag it doesn't it just doesn't
But here in YT I even watch with a potato internet, and that why I quit watching twitch livestream, and then when Ludwig decided to move to CZcams I started to watch him more when I can
So when I hear that sykkuno is moving to CZcams gaming I was so happy
“How the fuck do you find a god damn live stream on this website” - Ludwig 2022; Truer words have never been spoken 😂😭
You search for a stream. Type in gta live stream you get the live streams.
@@bobhanson1037 thats not the issue. The issue is that you cant easily know if the streamers your subscribed to is live.
@@tylerbowman4397 but the streams that you are subscribed to that are live show up on the top of your subscriptions page.
@@anonimouse7043 not always and its inconsistent. There need to be a dedicated tab or section just for livestreams your subscribed too
Subscribe + Bell should fix your issue. It will send web/mobile notifs and will feature upcoming/ongoing streams on your CZcams homepage. The notifs are personalized if you don't use the bell so it may take sometime for notifs to adjust though.
I don't know about that Live page, I just checked mine and it looks like a fucking trainwreck.
I really think that if Twitch doesn't step it up, SOON, CZcams will become the hub for livestreaming. Twitch has no real possibility for exposure, sucks to use on desktop, has incredibly intrusive ads, is slashing the amount of money people are making, and watching any past VODS is like sticking nails in your eyes. CZcams has problems but Twitch can be downright painful to use, both from a creator and consumer standpoint.
Edit: changed "discoverability" to "exposure" because I muddied up my own point
tbf youtube has even less discoverability imo, its hard to search the people you want to find if they are small as u can have any name you want, you dont really get livestreams on recommended, theres not a good livestream specific tab where u can browse certain games like twitch, theres nothing... I think the only stream I get on my recommended is ludwigs, youtube just isnt a good streaming service, we need a new one that takes the best of everything, unfortunately that will never happen any time soon
The answer is they won't, at least considering their current plausible changes. Also, 2 weeks to wait for the new changes to YT. So YT seems like a winner in this scenario...
@@purpleguy3924 I agree, but when I say discoverability I mean the potential for past content to be picked up by the algorithm and shown to people ; no one grows on Twitch by just streaming, they usually have a CZcams channel where they upload highlights
nah, it'll be fine
VODs on Twitch are absolutely horrendous to watch and because it so annoying I usually stop watching, but with CZcams I can atleast get through the whole stream
Rae has different thumbnails for different games so you know what she's playing by looking. They're great, aesthetically pleasing. I can always find her livestream easily from them. I scroll past yours a lot bc it looks like a normal video.
Not a Rae viewer but if there's any comment he should read it's this IMO, that approach makes so much sense and I constantly scroll past his streams for the same reason.
I like how honest he is when he said his thumbnails are bad cause they really are dogshit. Still my streamer though.
agreed
This is so true lol.
Nice feedback
Finding streams on YT is a serious issue. I've been watching livestreams on YT/Twitch for a while and that's always been an issue for me, it's so much easier on twitch. Other than discoverability, even for streamers that I'm subscribed to, it will be hard to know if they are live because the toolbar on the left side does not update dynamically, you have to refresh the tab in its entirety to see who is actually currently live if you've been in that tab for a while. Along with that, there aren't push notifs like there are on twitch when a streamer you follow goes live. These are very simple things to implement that would allow YT to begin to eclipse twitch in the live stream space
I get push notifications
@@sterloin even push notification doesn't do it and it becomes way less if you are subscribed and pressed the bell a lot of streamers.
@@sterloin same, I think it has to do with having notifications activated?
Honestly CZcams streaming has decent discovery - I've done a few streams, and although I just started, I've had people stop by and tune into my stream. I've found it depends on the game (Twilight Princess being more popular), but even without it setup properly in CZcams gaming I had some viewers stop by.
Honestly not sure if anyone would've stopped by on twitch, but I haven't had that experience, so I can't say for certain
Provided these are all my opinions, but YT seems to be getting better with the streaming discovery
There are notifications for streamers going live. I get them. They're just kinda inconsistent, even if you do click the bell.
i really hope youtube takes over the streaming game. if we can get xQc over on the site, twitch is done
XQC would never come over his community to built around Twitch
True, but it might be a while till the big guys switch because as long as they're making bank they don't care. Also love the vids man
currently twitch doesn't offer anything unique to be a stand out. if they give x a lot of money I think he will switch.
hello there
Wtf no. I dont really use twitch but monopoly sucks
As a viewer, finding streams is next to impossible unless I watch that creator regularly (in which case it pops up in my recommended) and/or I am subscribed to them (finding streams through the sub box).
Sykkuno has a pretty strong CZcams game, with the amount of views he gets on average and the amount of subscribers he has, so I think he may do better in terms of an average viewership perspective. CZcams streaming seems to only be feasible for big creators who are streaming for the purpose of creating a CZcams video or if they’re just doing well on CZcams in general. But that’s how I see it at least.
From what I've seen with smaller creators I follow, it tends to work well for them to build their audience around prerecorded videos, and then do livestreams from time to time, rather than trying to go the other way around. CZcams's algorithm is simply more tailored towards recommending prerecorded videos. Something I think they could improve on, especially recommending more streams to people who regularly watch streams. But I imagine it's tough to do that without interfering with the rest of the platform (ie. those that don't want to watch livestreams).
@@etekweb I've been thinking about this and I really don't think it would interfere with much. I get recommended so many videos I don't care about as it is. When creators I'm subbed to are live, their streams show up in my recommended over and over again and look just like any other video. If people don't want to be recommended lives, they can mark it as uninterested like they already do. I wish CZcams would add more options when you remove suggestions though - could fix a lot of issues.
@@etekweb Yes, that's 100% how you do.
I think one more thing Lud failed to mention is the growth of the "Ludwig Ecosystem" in CZcams as a whole. Not only is the main channel bigger than ever before, Mogul Mail, his clip channel, VOD channel, and The Yard have benefited a lot as well.
I sometimes find myself in a Ludwig pipeline where I watch 1 out of context Yard short and somehow end up watching 2 hours of SAP.
Heck, even Susan herself mentions how she likes how Lud's using their product. Hopefully other creators learn from what you're doing. ludwig7
i would disagree, almost EVERY big streamer has the exact same setup, clips channel, highlights channel, fan made account channels etc. I dont think ludwig being on YT changes the amount of views he gets on those types of channels, as any big streamer would have high numbers on those types of accounts.
@@DaFifaKid it kinda changed a lot tho... as someone who only watch X on twitch, I got zero recommendation about him on youtube, but if I have to watch him live on youtube then youtube will recommends a lot of stuffs about him whatever a highlights, vod or clip. and I'm sure that will help those channels grows more.
Ludwig7
Sykkuno will flourish wherever he is. He started on youtube and many of his viewers only made a twitch account to watch him. so I definitely think he will succeed majorly
This is actual factual the ONLY REASON I went and made a twitch account was because I wanted to watch Sykunno 🥰
@@vivid_5095 SAME.
@@vivid_5095 I almost made a twitch account only because I wanted to watch Sykkuno but then I procrastinated on it and now I don't even need to anymore lol
@@vivid_5095 I did the same thing lol! only reason I have a twitch account is because of Sykkuno (or Sukkuno if you're Twitch staff).
You switching to CZcams have been really convenient for me, since I mostly watch CZcams now and haven't tried watching Twitch as much with the ridicules amount of ads that Twitch puts on. 1 or 2 ads are fine, but 6 to 9 ads are way too much and honestly makes me just not want to watch the stream since i'm missing out already. Also, watching vods on CZcams is much more enjoyable compared to Twitch where it feels laggy and just not as enjoyable with the quality tanking sometimes.
The only difference between Twitch and CZcams is that Twitch is a platform solely for Live streamers and you can see that by how they developed the platform and being able to discover a lot of good streamers and good moderation. CZcams Gaming is not that bad but still not as good as Twitch streaming quality (minus the ads, I also hate the ads).
I never watch vods. It just doesn't feel the same as watching live. Idk.
While the hasle of scheduling a stream can be a pain, it does attract more viewers since they can plan to be free to watch the stream.
At least I feel that way about youtube streams.
I havent watched twitch in a long time due to the ads, but when i did i typically had a time period i would watch, this means i would try to find a couple streamers for that timeslot, so if someone had a regular stream at that time i would typically come back every day
finally scheduled streams for Sykkuno! We had to rely on a Twitter bot that announced when Sykkuno changed his stream title
i agree that the scheduled streams can help attract viewers! i don’t think it should be mandatory though. likewise, a unique thumbnail can help attract viewers, but shouldn’t be required either. like technoblade had some sick art for one of his lore streams and it made me click on it even though i don’t keep up with the dream smp
@@itsederrengifo yeah and sykkuno's twitch notifications were broken, i got everyone's but his all the time, if you wanted to watch him you had to be dedicated or already on twitch waiting for him LMAO
But I think it should also give an option to start stream directly, because sometimes you can't schedule an hour in advance.
My favorite thing that Ludwig said in this video is how he has been able to gain a more healthy lifestyle. Streamers often have pressure to always be live and put their health on the back burner. Having a healthy work life balance is incredibly important. I’m glad to see the change has been a good one.
One thing I want to add portraying to Sykkuno is the difference between his viewers on twitch and on CZcams. In general from what I have seen his viewers on CZcams seem to be younger than his viewers on twitch. With this swap I am curious to see if his general audience will get younger, or if it will be the same as before the switch. Genuinely curious how this will turn out but I know that no matter what there will be loyal fans watching his stream.
More than younger I think it would get more diverse if he continues making content with other communities like vtubers, who are already big on YT, but also female audience considering CZcams as a platform has a bigger percentage already. He also could capitalize on Corpse's viewers who are more in CZcams and didn't bother to watch him on Twitch, it would easier for them and they are A LOT. Worse case scenario, he will keep is recurrent 15-20k viewers he already had
Sykkuno diaper play
I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT
When talking about having to schedule streams in advance, I want to say 2 things:
1. When people talk about you being late for streams, I don't believe they actually care very much (pretty sure you know that but just in case you don't)
but more importantly
2. If you just made a community post/twitter post/said this during stream/all of the above, and explained that your scheduled live stream times are just suggestions for *around* when you're planning to start stream, it'll clear up a lot of the confusion and you'll see a lot less people complaining in the future.
I saw this being done on a hololive steamer's channel and although I think those streamers have much more loyal and instantly accepting fans, the concept still stands, and it will be a positive thing that can make this situation less of a big deal.
"Latewig" is good for engagement because even non-commentor viewers also chats on the livestream.
I agree with that, from my perspective I don’t think it’s a big deal at all, I just remember Ludwig mentioning it every now and then, as well as in this video, that he’s uncomfortable with how chat is when he’s a few minutes late. If it does matter to him, this is something I think he can do to help it.
Finally, someone who recognized that Vtuber is a very prominent part of YT steaming culture!
the latewig meme is a banned word, i always get muted when i said it in the live
It sucks cause I'm sure he knows a lot of people are joking about it but it still feels bad to see it. :/
At 7:15 you don't necessarily HAVE to schedule a stream. On that "Go Live" on the left is "Stream". Clicking on that will take you to a generic stream setup that you can save, so if you wanted to you could just go there and hit "Start Streaming" on OBS and you're good to go. Doesn't solve for notification delays, but it's effectively the same as Twitch at that point. In that page you can then also update stream name, thumbnail, etc if you want (or just ust the same thumb all the time though it's probably less effective for viewership).
It's probably better to schedule from an SEO standpoint. It also gives one a chance to pump out notifications on Tiktok, YT Shorts, Insta, FB, and Twitter - to drive as many people to your channel as possible. Of course I haven't actually tried it myself, but in terms of promotion it might be better to do.
This came up near the end of the video talking about subs - one thing I noticed in Sykkuno's recent streams was his support of taking money from corporations for sponsorship rather than asking subs for support, so I think the move is consistent with that value system more broadly.
I really appreciate all of the work that you've put into the move
Mogul mail is a fantastic channel, love the bigger events & the Yard
Thank you for being so consistent and consistently positive which a lot of the time can be even harder!
CZcams's live 'vod' is so clutch though. Jumping into your stream and being able to watch in double time to catch up strait to live is so prime
I only was able to catch very few Ludwig streams but loved his videos. Some of the funniest things I have seen throughout my many years being on CZcams. When you joined here, I was able to watch and find old streams very easily and watch them. I have seen atleast 25 streams now, before the only 2 times before that. I hope Sykkuno is able to grow and have even stronger community and also hope to catch his streams too more. Thanks for reading anyone and hope you have better day and stay safe.
Some really awesome insights in this video, Ludwig made a lot of good points but one I think that stands out to be is his comment about the subathon being scammy, now I don't think it was however I can see how it would feel for him and it's awesome that he's able to now be sponsored by the platform. I think the downside he mentioned at the start is the real problem with all of this, CZcams gaming is horrible to find and is terrible at putting creators in our faces to select and it's just done better on twitch, if they put some grunts to work and come up with a solution then that would really change the game for CZcams gaming and make it a much more viable platform for a lot more people. I can't wait to see how things grow and change over the following years. Good work on another great video lud 😀
I was going to say I think so many of us have seen your views going crazy on CZcams since the switch, great to see too! :) but I agree that it translates well with CZcams views, and for that matter, VODs/ long videos seem to get lots of views too, off the high watch time, my long videos grow so much more than the short ones. And some of the long videos are stream VODs left up. Including my most viewed one ever.
Long story short…. I agree with everything you said here… 😂
Idk how applicable it is to other people but I never really watched Lud live cause I never really used twitch so once Lud switched, his livestreams became more accessible to watch live and now I catch almost all of them. I’m guessing I’m not the only one so maybe you access a certain amount of new viewers you weren’t before, by switching
Couple things: You don't HAVE to make a thumbnail - it will autogenerate one for you. Just won't perform as well for people seeing it in recommendations.
EDIT: Looks like they removed the original Stream Now thing in fall of 2020. RIP
I definitely watch you more now that you are on youtube, and the same will probably be with sykkuno for me! I was only a youtube frog for you before your switch, but now a few times a month im active in your live streams and I daily see your stream titles and if they interest me I look for them later in your "past streams" playlist. I barely touch twitch as it is, but trying to find vods there was even more frustrating. Its so nice to have just a playlist on youtube where i can immediately find what I want after seeing a thumbnail for it earlier! (plus having thumbnails instead of just a screenshot of the stream is so much more helpful for finding what i want tbh). For me at least, your switch to youtube made me a much bigger and more active subscriber!!
I really dont watch many of sykkunos youtube videos, but I probably will pop into his streams once a month at least now that he's switching! I'm hoping he loves the switch just as much as it seems you have :))
I've really enjoyed your move! I'm not on Twitch much personally as I'm used to and on YT all the time - on Twitch I've only watched a couple of live streams ever. It's been great being able to tune into you live here
My prediction for the future of livestreaming: Everyone already has a CZcams account, content creation and CZcams and Twitch always go hand to hand (The vast majority of Twitch streamers maintain active CZcams channels), and if Twitch keeps on screwing their creators CZcams will eventually become the best option to stream all around. CZcams Live is already dominating the market in Asia, and they have proven there that It works, and that its profitable. If we look at it objectively the things keeping most people on Twitch are Twitch culture and the viewer's sunk value: People love their Twitch emotes, and people don't want to lose their fancy 2-year sub badges, but I believe it's not going to be long before the pros overweight the cons of switching to CZcams Gaming.
That’s true. I think youtube will eventually fix what’s wrong with their live-streaming platform in terms of features and usurp twitch entirely
i just think that the average age demographics of each site is very different. CZcams has more kids and lower age demographic while Twitch has more viewers who are from the older population. But then again vtubers exists or is it a different story?
@@whysmile9412 i think it's not age, more like cultural things. somehow in majority Asian country, Pay based subscription service aren't that popular choice for people. Exclusivity & Consumer loyalty not in our bloodline. big reflected in our cellular payment. IMHO
Maybe it isn't like this for all people, but I don't really care if you're late by a bit. Saying late and complaining is just part of the fun.
I have to say i didn't watch twitch i don't know what you did on youtube before but i love your content.
Feels like both the most casual and one of the best content! I like seeing new upload notifications from you!
Fortunately, every issue brought up in this video has an “easy” solution but CZcams needs to make sure it makes sense to solve and to solve it now. So we won’t be seeing anything change for at least a month
@Rip Tide I have seen the recent interviews with YT staff and they are not incompetent, they have a huge level of protocol before making an action, this is how they have survived and thrived all these years. But they could be faster
imo CZcams just needs to rollout one big update focused on user interface for finding/watching/engaging with streams and theyll be golden.
Yes, I think they are working on something
Really appreciate you making effort into making great events
i really love when i catch streams in advance because even i can’t catch them at the beginning they’re in the back of my head for later.
I lik how this is a proper objective look at streaming on both platforms, and a message of comfort to a friend, both at the same time. This is incredible.
I really appreciate all the effort you have put into making streaming on CZcams work!
May I suggest a stream starting soon screen for when you schedule them? You won't necessarily be late as the stream would have started, right? As fun as the latewig rolling is sometimes, I feel this could aide you in being less worried about last minute things that come up.
Looking forwars to your next vid/stream!
Latewig weirdchamp
What frustrates me the most about youtube is how hard it is to even KNOW when you and others are streaming. I have the notifications on for you for EVERYTHING, and I still miss almost every stream, which forces me to have to go back and watch the VODs a day and a half later
Love the honesty in this one Lud, always loved being apart of the experience!
Its kind of comforting to see them actually take their time with stuff in their lives. Just hope that sykk can adapt the same way lud did or just be stable in terms of like changes. Even tho im not a sykk fan Good luck to him on the move.
Twitch ads have made it unwatchable for me. I hope CZcams makes it easier to find streamers on the website.
100%. At the end of today's livestream he asked us to raid Tarik. I immediately clicked on the link, was hoping for a nice moment where thousands of ludbuds are spamming "lud raid" in the chat and Tarik realizing what happened and thanking ludwig for the raid. Instead got hit with a 30 second ad, and by the time it finished, Tarik had already addressed the raid and went right back to his game. I can't even scroll back a minute like i can on youtube,
Watching on twitch is honestly a horrible experience, I can't watch a bit, think if I like it jump, and back, because there always a 30 second unskippable ad before it
Pretty sure Matpat talked about how gettting alot of views on recently posted videos pushes the video in the algorythm, so you sending the viewers directly to the video is probably why your video is getting more popular
The more views/likes/comments a video recieves more rapidly the higher it is prioritized in the algorithm, likes and comments probably matter more though tbh
I love the uploads on this channel more than his main. He has such good takes and says things how they are. Hope he keeps uploading consistently on here like hes been lately 👍
so yeah, even very basic things like having game categories for the live streams (including just chatting and such), would help with the discoverability somewhat.
And making it easier to go live would be nice as well. Former twitch employee friend of mine said a while back that the ease of streaming is what would decide which platform will rule in the future, which I really do not agree with, otherwise discord would be the next big streaming platform, but it does matter still. Small streamers without contracts with platforms are still likely gonna choose twitch over youtube simply because of how much easier it is to stream there
Acquisitions alone will not let CZcams compete as a streaming platform, they need to compete with Twitch in terms of feature for streams. That being said if they deploy better features and ux for livetreams as twitch lowers its streamer monetization options there is huge room for growth as a platform.
But tbh that doesn't matter since Mixer 2 is gonna kill both when it drops
as a long time viewer of his, im just glad that he doesnt have to encourage gift subs, bits, or donos (even though he felt guilty) like he used to and can just focus on making content. i saw how twitch exclusivity doesn't really help buddha and how he still gets worried about his declining viewers/subs if he doesnt play gta for a while even though at certain points he got sick of it. also, sykkuno is obligated to stream for at least 2 more years so it's a huge W for me lol
It's good to hear about the fact that you seem to have a good work-life balance from the CZcams switch and that you were able to spend your anniversary with QT! :) Glad to hear it, man. Glad to see you streaming on CZcams as well. It's easier for me to see when you go live because of my notifications on my phone, too.
i’m proud of you as a decent term viewer. i started watching during among us. and man you’ve came such a long way. and you actually are putting in the work you love to see it. keep being you lud
I love that Lud has only become more genuine since the switch. I'd be curious to see if his RPM has changed any since the switch
CZcams needs to find a way to advertise their live streams better. Push content creators currently live to the front page, have a better way to find current channels live for a specific content/game, and so much more. I love how easy it is to randomly find streamers on Twitch if I'm looking for a specific category of game.
I'm glad Ludwig is on CZcams because he can be someone who brings better change to CZcams streaming
Glad you are happy with the move. I am happy about it too. I get to see your content way more now.
Mogul Mail needs to be on recommended videos always! Very well put/well said takes!
Something I would like to know is how different the ad revenue is between platforms. I've heard that ad revenue on twitch is pretty bad but since twitch doesn't let people talk about that number I don't know for sure. Idk if you can talk about it (or youtube's for that matter) in more detail than just "yeah youtube's is way better" now that you're out, but I'd love to know!
Twitch is awful with ad revenue compared to youtube, but twitch has alot more subscribers. If you want a more detailed breakdown find one of devin nash's videos, but essentially youtube profit shares their ads, but twitch pays a pittance per ad
ad revenue depend on the CPM, or the cost for the advertiser for each 1000 views of content, since CZcams algorithm is so advance that guarantees your ad to be seen by the right people, their CPM is pretty high because the advertiser will have bigger changes to convert. For the creator, this means they will get more money from their views. In the other hand, Twitch CPM is really bad because develop better algorithms is very expensive, so what they do is increase the spam for users to be more exposed to "ad time"... This is the main reason Twitch is kinda doomed long term. Ads are the only way they can make the platform profitable, but they cannot compete with CZcams in that market, so they are relying on the patience of their creators and viewers to push as far as they can until Bezos decides to sell the platform
@@itsederrengifo twitch doesnt even give full ad revenue sharing, devin nash covered this as one possible solution for twitch if they want broadcasters to show ads, but he also said it probably wont happen because it would be a huge difference
I'm pretty sure you're allowed to disclose ad revenue in youtube. A lot of content creators have done it for a video to dispel the myth that you aren't allowed to talk about earnings. Sponsors are the ones that may tell the creator not to share earnings.
@@kb-ww1uw you are on CZcams but not on twitch, it's baked into their contracts so people don't talk about how bad it is
its past 4am and i was feeling very anxious, so thanks for uploading so i can watch this and calm down a bit
These Mogul Mail vids are great! Keep up the good content :)
Ludwig switching to CZcams was by far the best thing. I knew of him before CZcams but never watched his content like that and for some reason didn't had a postive feedback about him but since the switch he easily became one of my favourite youtuber to watch and I do tune in his stream every now and then & the fanbase is also amazing
Compared to the changes twitch has made recently and the effects it might have to exclusively deals I wouldn’t be surprised if more bigger streamers start leaving in turn causing CZcams to finally focus more on the streaming aspect and make it more competitive
I think sykkuno will be doing fine on youtube since unlike most twitch streamer he didn't do reaction based content as much and most the time only focus on the game he is playing for the stream
I never watched a Ludwig stream on twitch, just videos and clips on here, but since you started on here I've tuned into some streams!
I like how Lud is open with these stuff, he tells as it is, not trying to mask anything.
I, personally, do not watch him stream, but I love his VOD channel. Keep it up Lud
SYKKUNO COMING OVER TO YT
Honestly, this explains all the gloominess at the end of his yesterday's stream (or today's stream. I dunno timezones suck)
@@SakshamJain0201 i think it was 2 days ago LMAO
@@SnipFred fr? I am not really having the sense of time it seems..
Sykkuno never liked the fact that his viewers spent their own money on him either, and, more so that only a small portion of that ended up actually going to him, and he never did a subathon either because he also found them a bit scammy as well. Not having to worry about those things will ease his conscience.
Love the vid lud! I think it’s great that the less hours streamed helps you do big content but honestly I truly believe just your everyday streams have improved significantly. On twitch it felt really forced and drawn out now it’s just good solid content and I personally love it!
Northernlion is my go to content creator for 5+ years now. I still watch lots of his vod's but never really show up to his livestream's, he started to talk about ludwig in some of his videos and found you streaming on youtube and will watch a few times a week now. being able to rewind a livestream while its going on is a game changer for me.
You should collect art from the community and use that as the thumbnail art. It would be a pretty cool pool to draw from and would definitely have a good selection of eye catching art.
or you know, he could pay people to make the thumbnails art or otherwise
As a yt frog I've really enjoyed the Streams being accessible through YT, when I see a stream scheduled I feel a can assess if it's a stream I want or will have time to watch. If you streamed randomly i dont know if i could make it. Plus the pause button and play back is a big W. But that's just me, I'm sure a majority of viewers are different.
Mizkif says YT lacks the twitch culture but like chat is just as spammy and degenerate. In my honest opinion everyone is already on both platforms or at least is on YT, and is engrossed in the same reddit and Twitter based drams, should cut it out with brand loyalty between one of the two monolithic tech giants. Makes me wonder what if Google was allowed to buy twitch.
But yeah CZcams should include top streams on the main page. Twitch lives and dies with the main page, but it gives everyone access to everyone, allowing you to grow from outside, here it seems you are only seen by your existing subs and those algorithmed. Not just for Ludwigs growth but others smaller CCs who decide to stream here.
I really enjoy ur content since the move, but mostly because it’s is more likely for me to stumble over your stream. Every time I see a scheduled Livestream I move my existing schedule to be able to watch it and otherwise I never knew when you would go live since I don’t use twitter or so. I also really enjoyed ur streams about the trial cuz they were very EU friendly, thanks :)
Ive watched your streams way more on youtube. Rewinding is so clutch and it just pops up in the recommended for me.
I really hope CZcams actually listens to what lud has to say, the sooner they improve the less competition with twitch there'll be
For me as a viewer? No. I now sub to everyone who switches to yt. I can't stand twitch after doc, but then when you talked about why you switched I really want more people to start leaving. YT is trying to advance where twitch isn't.
I like the mix of talking about current events, being candid, giving advice, and talking about topics you and/or viewers are interested in on this channel. It’s like what you do on stream when responding to chat but more organized and condensed
There's definitely something to be said about the funnel of viewers from stream to video. At this point it's a daily habit of mine to watch a Northernlion video right after his stream ends, in no small part because he schedules new content to come out around then. I can only imagine having everything on one platform only makes that funnel more compelling.
Honestly at this point everyone is starting to get fed up with Twitch and recent actions they’ve made and there’s going to be a catalyst set off that will make CZcams a better hub for streaming. Whether it be Twitch making more bad decisions or CZcams fix their platform to be more streaming friendly.
Discoverability is def a thing yt should get in asap, and if they really want to become the best streaming platform, might as well fix copyrighting to be more react friendly to possibly hook in miz, xqc, or hasan. Cater to the big guys. I know culture is also a big thing Twitch has CZcams doesn’t, it’s the only reason I kinda stick around on Twitch. But I genuinely feel if CZcams take these types of videos into consideration, they’ll definitely have a shot overtaking Twitch.
they cant "fix" copyright issues, aside from YT literally BUYING out the licenses to shows like masterchef etc.
@@DaFifaKid yeah true lmao, just overall improving the copyright system and such to be more react friendly if that’s a possibility
Well hasan and most of those people on the top are basically restreaming content that other people made which is called stealing. When reacting you have to transform the content, add something to it and just playing the video and eating or not even being preset there isn't transforming at all. Though I agree that for music or some visuals it triggers too fast as a copyright flag.
@@alandioda yeah, and honestly I wasn’t a big fan of the whole watching shows like avatar or master chef on stream and it wasn’t transformative at all. If yt does ease up on the music copyright tho, that’ll definitely attract more ppl
Unless copyright gets fixed where it's not after your grandkids are dead it's gonna be a problem, because no court is gonna look at Hasan not being there or eating ramen and non find him guilty of copyright infringement
Lud! My man!
As a twitch frog I really am growing on CZcams I love how you can rewind the Vod while they are live. Also like how there is so much less ads while watching the stream
Honestly glad you took the time to break it down with a look at your stats and some analysis on how you're feeling on and off stream about it
CZcams seems to be a lot more friendly towards creators than Twitch, I think if CZcams really hones in on making streaming more of its own thing on the platform we could start seeing more people willingly switch.
Hey Lud, I have a question for you. Often times in the Vtuber community, a big streamer will have a free day, tweet "Hey if anybody wants to stream together and play something, I'll be in my discord...." and a random collab stream will happen. Is there like a major reason IRL streamers don't do this other than the big names are busier than others? Or do you think it has something to do with a Vtuber schedule vs IRL schedule? Just wanna get your thoughts
Hey, do you bave some examples?
@@slbhugomarques2 I suppose some examples of this happening, not specifically as OP says, but there are times where hololive EN members or nijisanji EN members I've seen have an open voice chat on discord so any other member can hop in and be apart of it. Major example is of holoCouncil's big boom on this in Minecraft, when the streams would have people join sporadically versus the normal scheduled collabs, it brought on some new guerilla content for everyone.
I don't have many other examples, but I suppose to answer OP, the difference is if the big streamers are even in the same discord with others, otherwise they wouldn't be able to join the channel as easily than if they were to message each other and do that instead. There's moments on twitch where they interact by watching each other's streams, but other than that, I don't think the impromptu discord channels would work much for IRL streamers.
@@nabe4320 the big boom of holocouncil really made streams more fun and chaotic. You're watching a chill solo ina building stream?Nope! Now you're watching Fauna and Kroni try to kill each other with Ina building on the sidelines. Really glad they loosened up on the normal scheduled collabs.
From what I've seen this happens with irl streamers too just in different ways. For instance jschlatt sometimes calls people mid stream.
It's not as common but it definitely happens. Just it happens in different ways to vtubers.
It's also a lot more common with smaller irl streamers. Often times they just join each other in games no warning
This has been mentioned many times by many streamers.
How can they bring people they know absolutely nothing about, much less trust, onto their screen? What are the benefits vs potential liabilities?
This is why both Ludwig and QT have suggested that you do fun collaborations with other streamers approximately your size and grow your audience together, just like so many big streamers that people watch regularly now got to know each other in game lobbies like Among Us back when they were much smaller streamers, and still share their audience.
Bro I love you, I started watching about a month before the subathon and your content is always A+ teir. You may be a millionaire and I may be broke but you're incredible
hey man as a small content creator i really appreciate you making this video and all the other videos you've made like this. You're putting out a lot of good information and making really good content, keep up the hard work
would you recommend that someone interested in both streaming/making videos to stream on twitch / make youtube videos or to begin streaming on the same platform they upload on? e.g. what's your opinion on the platform as it is for someone who's trying to grow rather than migrating onto it with an existing fanbase?
You can stream on both CZcams and twitch at the same time.. if you don’t sign up for affiliate you should be fine. Twitch is better for finding new people but CZcams is better for vods.. bro he says this in the video
Starting on youtube I think would be very difficult since there's almost no discovery on youtube, twitch is much easier for people new to being a creator to build an audience since there's lots of people on twitch who enjoy watching small streamers and participating in smaller communities, not to mention being able to filter by game directory helps people grow a lot but the big reason we're seeing A LOT of big streamers on twitch swapping platforms now is because twitch announced they're (potentially) cutting partner revenue.
In a previous video from Ludwig I think on mogul mail he was discussing how twitch didn't want to give partners a 70/30 split on subs anymore and is talking about dropping it to 50/50 essentially cutting their sub income by 20%, that on top of twitch not really caring about their creators is pushing a lot of large streamers to leave the platform.
I think the vast majority of creators with a big enough following are going to leave twitch when their contract expires simply because the platform pays less and cares less.
you’re ballsy pulling up i show speed
I can understand that it's a little more of a pain to schedule the stream ahead of time but I honestly love that on CZcams. It sends me a notification that you're going live in 30 minutes and I can instantly plan/decide if I'm going to watch vs remembering everyones schedule. I also very much appreciate being able to pause and watch as I'm able and not miss content due to ads.
I love watching YT streams over twitch. I’m really busy at work so I tend to miss a lot of streams. YT is so VOD friendly. For example, I like to watch VODs sped up and YT sounds way more smooth than twitch VODs. It’s also easy to skip around too
Ludwig always with the quick ones ... just ask qt
Aside from the obvious problems with youtube streaming being a worse chat system and having basically no chat culture and terrible live discovery, youtube is very competitive. I love that I can go to a live stream on YT and go to the beginning of the vod while its live, and watch at 2x speed and eventually seamlessly catch up to the live broadcast.
Now for react andy's, imagine if youtube could have a system in place where a live streamer could allow for a live viewing of other videos on YT similar to a watch party on twitch. Maybe the streamer's feed becomes a picture in picture with the live viewing video, and the streamer can control the video for the viewers. That way there could be an actual legitimate outlet for react andys to benefit from while also benefiting the original creators with actual views (im sure dviper would love this lmao).
This is legitimately a fantastic idea
Ive learned alot from you Mr.wiggy senpai. On that frfr ive been working diligently to get myself in a place where i can easily stream as much as id like to, and i always pictured that happening on twitch. Over time, ive realized that i might prefer streaming to youtube, so its nice seeing you upload stuff like this.
I might just stick with twitch, cause ive never been worried about the money yknow? but i think i might do youtube mainly, and just twitch on the side. iddkkkkk, this is a stream of consciousness message and i only felt comfy putting it here. nice news drmrwiggysirsenpai
I'm glad you're thinking so in depth about this stuff.
Honestly glad that everything has worked out so far. I've always found it wierd that twitch forced their partnered streamers to basically live off of viewers. Overall Twitch seems like a toxic enviroment for making money. On CZcams the streamers who have deals don't necessarely have to worry about shilling for Members or SuperChats. Where as on Twitch they basically rely on subs to make money from twitch. It will be interesting to see how much the changes twitch is implementing effect this.
The “streaming war” is CZcams’s to lose imo. Long term, CZcams offers more for creators than twitch does. CZcams is already a way bigger platform to begin with.
i think with twitch heading in the direction it is, youtube grabbing big streamers marks a big shift towards youtube being the dominant stream platform, as long as susan and the youtube team continue to improve youtube streaming and listening to streamers on ways they could improve
Love the mogul mail videos. Keep it up brother. Stay safe stay strong stay beautiful.
wtf the past mogul mails, I've just randomly opened youtube and there is an upload within 1-2 minutes
same
Same
Serious question but why doesn’t CZcams just make a separate app for livestream? I know this one would be a stretch but even an extension for desktop.
pretty sure they did and it was youtube gaming. shut down due to low usage.
I love how you call out the bad parts of streaming on CZcams. You a pioneer and I believe you will be a big reason why CZcams live streaming will improve a lot
unless I am REALLY wanting to watch a youtube stream, or a certain youtube streamer, i usually forget they stream still, meanwhile on twitch I just see them live on the left and click in and sometimes get hooked and stay for a long time, sometimes just switch to a new one. I will browse from one stream to another if they show up in the recommended for youtube but the only ones that seem to are the ones i watch most, not all the channels I follow that go live regularly, for example I think lud was my most watched streamer back when he was on twitch, now the only streams I have found myself watching are few and far between (and not just bc he streams less often either) so i see his streams pop up in my recommended less. I do still see his in my subscription box with the other channels that go live, and I love that they go to the top so I don't have to sift through other uploads to find them, that's probably the only equivalent to the bar on the left side of twitch in my mind, but that is something I had to find that works for me, and some people might not use that same method
Ludwig hitting us with another quickie
no wonder qt loves him.
It feels like twitch is dying
Actually, if you have near default settings, any streamer you've subscribed to(free) will have a live indicator on your left margin list at the top. So knowing if any of your favorite streamers are on is just a matter of logging in or refreshing the youtube page at a minimum.
Finding new ones with similar interests is a pain though.
I had never seen a Ludwig stream before the CZcams switch, I'm already on youtube for the videos and when a stream pops up right there in my subbox I think why not watch a little, compared to going over to twitch to check if people are live, it's more convenient imo, and it's been a great time catching the livestreams