Simon Jordan CLAIMS Man United Players Lack The BALLS To Create A TOXIC Dressing Room! 😳🔥
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One of the things the top managers did in the old days was to scout players not only with skill, but with character. Just look at SAF's United. And the old Liverpool didn't need a captain, they already had 4 or 5 players in the side you would not mess with....
Absolutely! We don't operate like a big club... Basler: “Bayern are very strict and, when they sign a player, his personality will have to fit in with the club.
“Sancho may be a good footballer but Bayern would not sign him because he’s not what they look for in a person.
“Sancho was already a troublemaker in Dortmund. His attitude is a problem and he has to change it.”
Pep and Klopp have both spoken about this. Cancelo leaving City despite being arguably the best full back in the world is the best example, recently.
Arteta and Aubameyang, showed the players old and young, doesn’t matter if your top goalscorer, captain, you behave the way you do your done.
Man Utd are a club who reward mediocre players for mediocre performances, I mean they gave Martial a new contract a couple years ago knowing he does nothing 😂😂
@@Nikos169 Bayern signed Mane who fell out with Salah then went on to punch one of their players on the training ground. no team is bad attitude proof when scouting lol.
@@BAReactions Fell out with Sala ? So what!? Team mates fall out all the time - it's normal. Sancho was continuously turning up late for training at Man City and Dortmund (playing computer games!) not to mention the National team.....
If it wasn't for Onana Utd would be through 😂
Still that group was an easy pass. Embarrassing not getting out of that. If they finish bottom of that group he should be sacked for that alone
And that ridiculous Rashford red card
You men Onana who played cl finals last year? They should have played him up top instead of Bruno or Garnacho and maybe United could have gotten more then one shot on target
@@Cedisdead what are you smoking? He cost utd a point in the first Galatasary game, he cost us a point in the first bayern game and cost us 3 points in the 2nd game against Galatasary. Across all the games he made about 6-7 errors. Apart from last night Utd were not goal shy. Keeper was shocking.
Since 2018 he's made more errors in Europe than any other keeper.
@@Cedisdead I really rate Onana, but there's no doubting his mistakes have cost us, against Galatasary both times tbh. In the prem he's been great
We need a debate between Simon and Mark Goldbridge on ETH.
McTominay is one of the existing players who has failed and yet survived multiple managers. If this was any of the clubs that are run properly he would have been moved on by now.
Idk how he still plays for us he’s meant to be a holding midfielder and can’t for the life of him play there
@@sambarnett1851 i have no idea why he is being played as a holding midfielder when he clearly should be playing behind two strikers like he does for Scotland with other midfielders that can form three in the middle to cover the back four and let him go forward and support the strikers.
He is more Berbatov than Keane maybe as he gets older he might fit into that position but just now he should be terrorising opposition defences,i think the big issue is Bruno as he cant seem to decide if he is holding or going forward and its causing confusion and they are both getting caught leaving the defence exposed and last thing you want is Maguire being left exposed(though still cant figure out why this guy is not playing old Skool center forward he would scare the life out some of these playboy defenders nowadays)lol
@@dantheman9228 Yes. Scott McTominay cant even play as an 8/box to box. Leave alone a 6. He seems to just want to get in the box and score but apart from that no contribution..
@@sambarnett1851 Jose made turned him into one. At that he was seen as a good prospect cus you had the likes of herrera, fellaini, carrick, pogba, who would do the dirty works and allow him play.
Hes chipping in with a few goals, more than most of the other players 😂
Simone is absolutely spot on! You don’t give people time for failure. If someone is showing promise and producing results that’s when they deserve time.
This goes to the players as well. I Blame those above Ten Hag. They don't have a vision, incompetent and quite useless.
So Arteta was a failure in his first three seasons? Well look at what's happening now. Same with Klopp. Forget about money spent that's just the market at the moment
So you would of sacked Alex ferguson???
This guy would have sold De Gea after one season and sacked Fergie lol. Some things take time.
@DonR-zb2cm are you avoiding my Question?? Would you of sacked sir Alex after nearly 4 years of not even coming close to winning anything?
I have always found it funny when someone says “with respect” and then go on to be disrespectful.
No we don't deserve to go through, I think we are just an average football team and I don't really understand how that's going to change in near to not so near future
Loving the old cup-o-tea order from Simon, could do with one ☝️
The reason why United fans are Ten Hag in. Firstly, there is no alternative, especially in January. Secondly, stopping the cycle where the players have the upper hand in deciding when a manager can stay or get sacked. Finally, the players that are not performing and have stirred up drama (to a majority) are players who have failed under previous managers before. Simon brings up the point that it is the managers responsibility to fix the mentality of the players, but when he does, we get the Sancho's of this world. It is not about keeping the manager because he is the right man, but because the culture and habits need a turnaround.
@@decode3667 Once again, even if you are correct, what is the alternative? Even if you had a manager that is not under contract, who will be open to doing this job after another failure? If we sack him now, its Steve Mclaren on the touchline, don't think that would be any better. Reality needs to be the priority?
@fbgenius9195 I agree with you. We have trigger happy people spouting ninesense not looking at the greater picture. Woodward created a culture of player power mainly through record signings and unbelievable wages. Ten Hag is doing really well to bring the Man Utd culture back. In 18 months, he's had to deal with Ronaldo, Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Antony and Maguire. Thats more issues than Pep and Klopp have had combined in 7/8 years. Once he gets the distractions out, we will see a consistent Man Utd, whether that's enough to win the league though, I'm not so sure as long as Pep is in England.
@@oftheuchihaclan8325 I don't think Ten Hag will get us to our final destination. But, he will be the stabilizer. Getting us from point C to point B. Someone else in the future will get us from B to A. In the meantime, he is the answer.
@@fbgenius9195 the only concern for me is when do we know that the club is ready to win the league and with which Manager. We all thought Soljksaer was that guy to bring the culture back and it looked like he had done exactly that. A 2nd and a 3rd consecutive league finishes and finals, was followed up with signing Varane, Ronaldo and Sancho. All looked to be on track and then it all went to sh**. Even if Ten Hag finishes in the top 4 this season and next, past failures means I am unable to trust this clubd until I see the title back in Old Trafford.
@@oftheuchihaclan8325 Totally agree. This is part of the reason why the ownership is to blame for alot of the problems. There total destruction of culture, standards, sporting direction and more. What we need now, is a reset. My fear is Sir Jim will make it worse.
The dressing room isn’t toxic. The whole football club is toxic from the boardroom to the supporters.
Lifelong United fan here. Can't disagree with Jordan. Let's face it, even IF by some miracle we scrape through tonight, we get pummelled by anyone in the next round.
I desperately wanted Ten Hag to be the right guy, but he's done. Onana has been a disaster in the CL... but how many times does Ten Hag need to get embarrassed before he realizes you can't send so many players forward and leave your 6 to try to mark 2-3 runners. We're so easy to defend against, and we're so easy to counter because half the time bruno is in some ridiculous position out on a wing and McTominay is in their box.... they get the ball back, make 1 pass and it's free runs at the back line allllllllllllllll god damn game long.
Bournemouth should've been 5-0, and the manager even admitted he knew exactly what United were going to do and exactly how to defend / attack against it. We saw it 15 times last season, and this season it has been every game. We better hope whoever we play can't finish like everton or we're done. It's schoolyard tactics. It's unbelievable he keeps doing it,
Moments silence for all the United fans last season telling me Liverpool was finished and united was on the up
😂😂😂
No man we knew it was temporary, we just took the chance while we had it😂 swear I'll do it again next season if we're up again
😂😂😂😂
Amazing how when someone wins a Caraboa cup it suddenly is a decent trophy 😂
Atleast Liverpool won the Fa and Caraboa cup in one year.
Var has helped Liverpool a lot this season
Individual errors from the keeper killed our CL chances, we have scored a lot of goals in europe.
Bit of an over simplification. The defenders have got the run about in almost every match. There's goals but the defence is dodgy
The gaffer had made error after error with the midfield selection. From the wolves game til now we have not been able to control 1 game opposing teams run through the middle of the pitch like the Nile river. Scott mctominay and Bruno can not play in the same team
@@Alloyd876that's a good point, recently against Chelsea, Everton and Galatasaray, we allowed too many darts through the middle leading to half chances/chances. With De Gea in goal with his cat like ability, we would've got away with some goals we conceded this season. But Onana is honestly like a player in goal.
@@oftheuchihaclan8325 lol forgetting he couldn't help us with a better defence behind him last season? Onana faces a seriously high amount of shots compared to every other keeper it's crazy our defence is so poor but that's what happens when you want to play a high line but can only field slow defenders who prefer a low block and will default to it leaving unbelievably large spaces in the midfield where they should be occupying. Plus they are not elite level ball playing defenders with high intensity which is what this system needs these players are still learning the new system if the coach is allowed to continue just like Arteta was he'll surprise everyone in the next two seasons. If given the right system behind him.
Guess who bought that goalie?
Genius Erik
My favourite favourite word of Simon's is consequenced
Big characters in the dressing room and amazing coaching staff as well 🤡🤡.. absolute gold
Spot on it’s the players a small group creating a toxic atmosphere and management is taken the blame.
United fan, totally agree with Simon, people have it so twisted these days, harsh criticism, questioning etc. isn't to 'destroy' or ruin, it's a tough love that wants nothing more than a positive reaction and a Rocky style comeback, you wouldn't bother if you didn't believe it could be better
Jordan asking for a Tea? 😂😂😂
Munich wont even turn up tonight and will still leave OT with 3 points... Liverpool however... could be an absolute drubbing. It is embarrassing that i would take a 2-0 loss at Anfield.
Even if they somehow scrape through, they'll get pummeled in the next round. And if they get an easy draw, they'll get pummeled in the round after that. For Man Utd, it's not "if", it's "when".
Milk
‘Intellectual capitals that have had the thought processes to be able to get outcomes’
Simon Jordan is trying to claim that the dressing room isn't in turmoil cause he wants the back his own argument that Ten Hag is a small man in a big suit, therefore saying that he should be getting more results cause the dressing room is in order
Thanks for contextualizing, I was lost because what he said made no sense, now I get it. What a clown.
He's so desperate to push the point it's becoming ridiculous. Quite funny really.
Remember this bloke played for Palace. Yep,Palace. Didn't see Palace do anything with Jordan yet he acts like he's won 6 champions league titles 10 Prem league and 8 FA Cups. Simon Jordan won...none of these.
Has Simon Jordan just found some Bryl Cream in his drawer recently? 😂
I would say that too if i was starting🤭🤣🤣🤣🏃♀️
Blowing 2-0 leads can’t just be on the players, it’s also the managers job to make sure the team has a plan and ensure the game is managed correctly
It’s clearly both. I don’t know why we can’t just say that
@@the0nlytrueprophet942 I hear you but the players aren’t making the decisions like subs. And those directly impacted those leads.
I agree. Strong personalities (like Ronaldo, Sancho) are gone, on the bench or going.
Musiala will have a field day 😂😂😂
I agree. Musiala to Kane all game-goals goals goals.
As a Newcastle fan im disappointed in the last few results but we've missed several sitters in the past 3 matches which would have changed the course of the games and results.
The team is out on its feet at the min, the injury list is incredible and we are realistically only a few results away from being in the top 4. Once we get the injury list reduced we'll be flying.
Trippier has been absolutely useless this entire season and is essentially to blame for the last two results. Constantly puts short crosses and makes mistakes in our own box only our other players don't quite have the energy systems to bail him out
Eddie is under no pressure whatsoever and brought us more good nights in less than 2 years than weve had for 20
Totally agree with the title 👍
United have to have patience.
But Tottenham Villa and NUFC have had managers that turned opinions within half a season
We have trigger happy people spouting nonesense not looking at the greater picture. Woodward created a culture of player power mainly through record signings and unbelievable wages. Ten Hag is doing really well to bring the Man Utd culture back. In 18 months, he's had to deal with Ronaldo, Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Varane, Antony and Maguire. Thats more issues than Pep and Klopp have had combined in 7/8 years. Once he gets the distractions out, we will see a consistent Man Utd, whether that's enough to win the league though, I'm not so sure as long as Pep is in England.
It could be a thrashing today for united
Naah I think they will either win or draw tonight. I just can’t see United losing tonight. Varane and Hojlund will start 😉
“He’s had no choice but to blow them off” 🤣
Wow the caller ...spot on
Malcolm Tucker: “if you’re sacked after a week, it’s our fault; if you’re sacked after a year, it’s yours”
BTW Anfield is waiting 4 url😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ole smashing Jordan’s Mrs is pretty hilarious
To be fair we have been dreadful in the league this season but not the champions league. The results haven't been good enough but the performances haven't been as bad as pundits say and it has been individual mistakes mainly by the goal keeper and in Copenhagen the red card that has knocked us out. Over 6 points have been dropped that way and we should have already been qualified. I'm sorry Simon, it is the players. The excuses the players have used in the last 6 years and leaked to the press is there for all to see. You say if there is no improvement why allow more time to continue making mistakes when everyone has to admit last season was far better than the season before so there was improvement. Last season was built on Martinez, Varane, Casemiro and De Gea while he was trying to sell Maguire, Mctominay and others. When those players are out of the side and his having to play players he wanted to get rid of while others are injured and we act surprised it's not going well while cheering those who shouldn't be here and will survive if he leaves.
Wow, 100% spot on
Cancelo made a couple of mistakes after great two seasons and he was shown the door right away.
If Guardiola is United manager none of these current players would stay in the team.
Arsenal fan here.
Can’t disagree simon
Thats the problem there isn’t a better alternative!
If man u think ETH is thw right man for the job then the most pressing and important thing is fixing the scounting department and whoever does the financing for signings
United overpay for average players time and time again and thats a management problem
Everyone knows city has more funds readily available yet city pays less for better players time and time again
So i dont to hear that people overcharge united because they know they have money.
The people doing the scouting and finacial signings have zero idea what they are doing and the club will never get better while they are signing these avarage players for INSANE prices
So mctominay is either saying the players are not good enough or the manager tactics are not good enough.
I for one am glad we are out of the champions lg, I will be glad if we only have to concentrate on the premier lg, we are not playing well enough to compete on all fronts one game a week will do me while we rebuild
Love what that called said about the news ‘oh really’
Yep that’s your news ALL OVER as well talksport.
Even if they get through they are going nowhere.
Graham you’re a legend mate
Bruno picking up the yellow card himself to avoid Anfield was too funny 😂
So you think the player who has played the most minutes out of any players in Europe the last few seasons and literally never says he is injured or has a knock so he can play is intentionally missing a game ? Get a grip.
He definitely didn't want to play 😂😂😂
@@davidlooney7356copium
@@TotalAlchemyWhat does that mean?
@@Ibrahim-nf6yh it means your coping
Carlo Ancelloti - surely
Graham Souness has a successor. Seriously, how does someone who clearly has no understanding about football, becomes a pundit and gets away by just talking in hyperboles and trying to create a toxic environment at a football club. "They dont have the balls to create a toxic environment", think about that sentence two seconds to realise how ridiculous that sounds
If anything, media is more toxic than players 😂
It’s nothing to do with the players it’s the owners don’t get distracted. Look at Newcastle change the owners change the fortunes.
The glazers are SCUM....but any manager that thinks they can send so many players forward and leave the CDM exposed to try to stop 2-3 runners all game long is an idiot. Ten Hag has been exposed 20 times now doing this. Bournemouth Was humiliating. THe entire game bruno was in a ridiculous position, mctominay acting like a striker in their box... so it was as simple as work to get the ball back, then look up because you'll have 2-3 runners in acres of space with Amrabat trying to stop it. It was a free run at our backline alllllllllllllllll game long. Just like city, spurs, newcastle twice, brighton, everton & wolves but they couldn't finish, forest, galatasaray twice, copenhagen twice.... it's pathetic.
Graham spot on.
Big characters, amazing coaching stars, whats Mctominay on.
Have a feeling they will park the bus at anfield just to not lose
Agreed with Simon
Cleaner gonna have a mate cleaning the studio today the amount of facts Simon is spitting today 🫡
Simon Ripping Jadon Sheesh 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A bunch of overpaid unprofessional players.
I bet they would play for zidane..no tactics..jus vibes
Jordan is a straight talker but I don't think his actual analysis is very good. United have played reasonably well in quite a few CL games and been let down by Onana and the red card for Rashford in Denmark. The two Gala games and the away Copenhagen game yielded just one point when really it should have been at least five, maybe nine. Not an excuse but luck hasn't been kind in what is an admittedly weak group
if utd played 4-4--1-1 with mactominay behind the striker they would look better and win more games
Ten Haag sacked before x mas
Clearly got an agenda here…he did excellently last year, has had sig injuries, and did deal w certain man management issues well…this year needs gettin hold of pretty quick to stop the rot, and reseize that poise and purpose, BUT, do believe he’s earned the time
Proud Scotsman Scott McTominay has a nice Scottish accent, what part of Glasgow is that?
There are Scots all over the world, they don't all grow up in Glasgow.
Lame excuse from the caller.. you feel sorry for Ten Hag for having to deal with Ronaldo, Anthony, Sancho and Greenwood? Ten Hag is the one who recruited 3 of them!!!
Firmly behind knives at the ready
He’s got a real thing about balls hasn’t he 🤷🏻
First 11 all trying to get injured tonight before a fisting at Anfield 😂😂
As a Bournemouth fan I'm loving this. We the second smallest team in the premier League causing ripples through man united and football after our fantastic result at old Trafford.
Up the cherries
Nothing against the cherries but Luton are bigger than Bournemouth.. they’ve played in top flight before PL years and have won major trophies 🏆 bournemouth just found a sugar daddy and fair play used the money wisely 👏🏼
You're deluded if you think Bournemouth were the catalyst - this has been going on for years.
Jim still struggling with the pronunciation of Munich
Already putting a negative on a potential positive result against Bayern, This team cant do right.
A big loss on Sunday will cost Ten Hag his job
It’s the players all the way, sack ten hag and in 10 month same problem new manager
The manager l think is not good enough.Why?Against Bournmouth the players played with open spaces.This was the way they were told to play.The Dutch league is totally different to the English Premier league.That’s one of the reasons,And a big one.
Would McTominay get in the current LFC or MCFC side? No, I don't think so either.
Yeah he would
I gotta feeling that Man Utd will give us a game this weekend. They could even beat us. Why, coz Fernandes is not playing...
Rio is saying culture not necessarily the players. For someone who was an owner, Simon has no concept that an institution is more than just two groups.
Come on UTD help England get that 5th Champions league spot love from a Villa fan.
We don't need united to get us that 5th place champions League spot have faith in emery top 4
UTV
@anthonytaylor7590 100% bud Emery and the boys will do it off our own backs but any lil insurance is always welcome too though lol
as a United fan (although admittedly not as ardent as your typical fans..) I agree wholeheartedly with what Simon says here. Used the term 'weak', I would go with "mediocre". It's just a mediocre team that's deflated of ego/belief/character and what it meant to represent the club in halcyon days gone by seems like a mere whisper on the wind. I mean, I think of a player like Cantona - more a self indulgent arrogant player, the flair of the Frenchman, but it felt like he was playing for the manager....for the cause. The club. The fans etc. And now they're just meandering in the wilderness, Liverpool did it for 30 years before winning a top flight title....United are one third of the way there. Perhaps it's just their turn in the cycle, who can say......
The problem is average players
Been thinking the same they just are not good enough weak is right
Should we savk TenHagg and get Poch like the Media wanted!😂😂😂
You need a team above you in football!!! Sporting director etc !! No other team in the league operates like United!! Erik has no one competent to help him
To be fair, the team's been riddled with injuries all season, but you're right they're absolute shite..
Facts
This channel should be named TalkUnited 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I am 100% with Simon on this one.
Utd are out the other two are fighting for second spot they won't draw.
Does one need *balls and character* to create toxicity?
Makes no sense to me.
I wouldn't put it past Manchester United to get the win tonight they are so inconsistent its madness.
Man United need Simon….. simple
i think liverpool v manutd will be a draw or even utd winning cause they are so random at the moment they will show up and be really good then will lose against burnley the next game and look completely disjointed
Because they don’t actually do it themselves Simon. They tell their publicist or agent or family member and they tell everyone else.
Who’s to blame ! Man United the club don’t have business plan…. Senior management ….director of football…. Coach…. Players! You need an overall plan…
too many injuries, too many inconsistencies, too many softies. i'll take a loss to even avoid europa lest you accrue more injuries
They ain't going to win it anyway, just get to play one more game so meaningless
Now the narrative is Sancho has been a problem his entire career... nobody was saying that when United spent 3 years chasing him 😂
I'm a city fan and he has always been a problem. One of the most overrated players of all time
@@deanburns8174 So then why did Man Utd spend years chasing him and eventually spend £80m on him? This issue is so silly. Another huge transfer down the toilet and their excuse is that Sancho was always a bad apple? So why did you sign him then? 😂 The excuse makes it their own fault. We're not talking about an overnight transfer. This is a guy they were tracking for years and had pinned as their guy. Now we're being told he was never a good character. So why were they on him for so long and invested so heavily in him? Are all their scouts, sporting personnel and agents mentally challenged?
@@tharcisse7103 yeah I agree. They never should have signed him, the fact that city let him go so easily was a massive red flag. They did the same with Anthony as well
@@deanburns8174 They sign players then pretend afterwards that they never knew what everyone else knew. They didn't know Pogba was a number 10, they didn't know Maguire was Europa League level, they didn't know Sancho had a bad attitude, they didn't know Antony isn't a goalscorer, they didn't know Varane was injury prone, they didn't know Ronaldo had an ego that cost him more success at Real Madrid, they didn't know Greenwood was abusing his girlfriend, they didn't know Casemiro was turning 32, they didn't know they already had multiple players in Mount's position... it's incompetence on a seismic scale. If they were this incompetent on the business front, the club would be ruined.
@@tharcisse7103 the funny thing is on the business front they're so close to breaking ffp again and if they're out of Europe completely this season and next they're fucked
You can see it coming , Man Utd drop into the Europa League and then get drawn aginst West Ham .