CANYON STOIC 2 - REVIEW AND FIRST IMPRESSIONS
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2020
- Here is a quick review of my Canyon Stoic 2 (2021)
Frame: Canyon Stoic Aluminium (white, size large)
Suspension Fork: SR Suntour XCR 34 29" AIR Boost (140mm travel)
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore M6000 GS
Shift Lever: Shimano Deore M6000 10s
Cassette: Shimano Deore M4100 10-S (11-42)
Crankset: PROWHEEL Charm Boost 148 (170mm)
Brakes: Shimano MT200 (203mm front and 180mm back)
Wheels: Alex Rims DP30 / Shimano M4050 Center Lock (30mm)
Tyres: Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35" rear and Schwalbe Magic Mary Evo Super Trail front
Thru Axle: Canyon Thru Axle, Boost 148
Stem: HL TDS (40mm) Iridium stem
Handlebar: HL MTB (780mm) bars, 20mm rise
Grips: VELO VLG-311D2 (Width 130mm)
Saddle: VELO VL-1589
Seatpost: HL SP218 Seatpost length 450mm, diameter 30.9 mm
Pedals: Shimano PD-M520 - Sport
Can't really see a better buy for 800 Euros at the moment. Seems like a great bike.
Thanks! I’m massively biased but I’d have to agree with you 😅
Thoughts on it vs the Grand Canyon 5 they also have?..
@@andrewryan7641 The Grand Canyon to me looks like a better buy for less extreme riding. The GC has a wider gear range, less travel on the fork and less aggressive geometry. The Stoic in comparison is a bike that's strong enough for jumps, street/park riding and really technical trails. Depends what kind of riding you're into 👍
i've been eying this bike, and was in shock with the specs for the price, It's incredible
Yes! I'm the first one to have here in Philippines 💪
san ka nag order sa atin sa pinas bro? greetings from Germany!
I ordered it today, cant wait for it to arrive!!
Nice! Enjoy! 😀
@@t0mj4y ja tez se zamuwiłem i tez czekam jak cos aha nie moge sie doczekac tez jak przyjdzie to powiem wam jak cos czy fajny czy nie bo jeszcz enie wiem bo nie jedzilem ale jak pojeżcze to bede wiedział to dam znac jak chcecie
@@nawaleta4850 Cool! Yeah, let me know what you think. I've ordered a dropper post for mine so I'll upload a video soon installing that 👍
@@nawaleta4850 jaki czas oczekiwania? ja zamówiłem 17 lutego ma być na 17 maja... 3 miesiące trochę długo :/
This bike reminds me of the specialized fuse...looks like a really fun bike
Yeah, I agree it looks similar. This one is a lot cheaper though, over €1000 difference!
Ive kind of narrowed my choices down to the Canyon Stoic 3, Vitus Sentier VR, and the Norco Fluid HT 1 with the Vitus being my number one choice, but the Stoic looks so damn good it makes me want it more.
My first choice would have been the Vitus too, but it was never in stock. I have to say I'm happy with the Stoic though!
Great review, I really wanted this bike but it's a several months out for the US. Ended up with a fezzari at similar price. Main diff being less slack (can install angleset if needed) and a 120xcr.. but with eagle 12. I'm reviewing if I can modify internals to a 130mm.. the level of bike you can get at these pricepoints is amazing.
Oh yeah, I also took the stickers off the fork. Ha
Thanks man! Just seen your bike check video, it looks sweet! What dropper post are you going to put on it?
@@t0mj4y I ordered an e-thirteen, was a good price, on sale, and comes with the lever. I had that on another bike and it worked well. Had a more expensive reverb in the past and that had problems especially in the cold.
@@scottt1412 cool! I’m waiting to save up a bit more but I think mine will probably be a Brand-X or a crankbrothers dropper.
Clean bike. If apple made a mountain bike itd probably be something like this
Hey, thanks for this review. I was just wondering what height and inseam you are? Canyon site it is recommending a medium to me, at 183cm tall and 89cm inseam, this just seems off to me.
Hey, thanks for the comment! I'm 185cm and I think my inseam was 90. I just did a quick check and if you put in 184cm they recommend an L rather than an M, so I guess you're right on the limit between the two. My advice would be to trust Canyon, but if you're really keen on getting an L I think it will still fit you ok.
Congrats!
How does it climb? I’m debating between this and the nukeproof scout. On paper it seems like this would climb better but Im not sure which would be better.
Thanks! It feels good on the climbs yeah, plenty of grip from the tyres. Doesn’t slip around like my old 26er used to. I don’t feel like I need a wider-range cassette either, it’s just my lack of exercise that’s letting me down. I just had a quick look at the nukeproof scout. The base model has a 11-46T cassette compared to the 11-42T on this bike. Both have 30T chainrings so it looks like the Scout wins in terms of drivetrain. Better fork and a dropper post on the Scout too, but also more expensive!
@@t0mj4y Thanks for the reply. If I were to get the scout it would be the comp version and I would want the stoic 4. Both have similar gear ratios. I guess to me the geometry is the bigger issue. The scout has a shorter reach and a 73 seat angle while the stoic has longer reach and a 75 degree angle.
@@maanzubair I’m afraid I can’t help much then, sorry, don’t know much about geometry. One of my mates back in the uk had a nukeproof and he absolutely loved it. I’m sure either option will be a good one 👍🏼
@@t0mj4y No worries man. Enjoy the new rig and stay safe out there :)
Hi!! great video!!
Is there any way to bikepack with it?? I´m looking for a trail bike under 800, but i would like to be able to bikepack with it, and there are no specific holes for the bike rack.
thanks a lot
I guess you could in theory go bikepacking with it, but you’d be really limited on what you could take. The inner triangle is quite small, and like you say there are no rack mounts. You’d need to maximise what you take on the seat pack and handlebar pack.
Could you tell me the size you chose and your height? Bc I wanna buy it but canyon's system recommends me the small size while every other bike i checked said that medium would be a better fit!
Enjoy your bike!
Yeah, this is a large frame (I'm 1.85m). Canyon's sizes are generally bigger than other brands, so I would say it's a good idea to get the size Canyon recommends. 👍
Would've been nice to hear your impressions of the "modern" geometry, handling and turning, as compared to your old bike
Yeah, with Covid I think it was nearly a year since my last ride on my old bike so I could hardly remember what it was like to compare it to. Now that I've had a few more rides on my usual trails my thoughts are: I love the 29inch wheels. The combination of big wheels and grippy tyres mean that you can ride over everything. On my old bike (26er) I used to hit every bump and lose speed, but now it seems like I can just float over them with loads less rolling resistance. In terms of handling, it feels less jittery. I guess because the frame and wheels are heavy and the bars are wider it feels like you can just point and shoot to choose your line without having to worry about where your weight is. I had a lot of problems with my old SRAM GX 1x10 drivetrain, and this Shimano Deore 1x10 setup feels smoother, more reliable and quieter in comparison. Things that feel more or less the same as my old bike: the brakes, the fork, and the riding position. Things I miss: the dropper seatpost😔
@@t0mj4y thank you for your answer.
What about pedalling efficiency on even ground, fire roads or tarmac? Does the slacker head tube angle, reach and length of the bike make it feel sluggish?
@@dornerd It feels longer for sure, but I can't really feel the difference in terms of reach or head angle. It still climbs just fine on tarmac and gravel. I'd say It feels a lot less sluggish compared to my old bike, but I don't know if this is just the "29" effect. I usually ride with a bunch of guys with full-sus carbon enduro rigs and I can keep up with them without any problems. The only time I've felt that the bike was letting me down was in a steep technical climb. I could have done with a 46 or 48 tooth cog at the top of the cassette.
@@t0mj4y thank you very much for sharing your insights
Did the fork got better with the time? I ordered this bike but now i see lots of negative things about this fork. So im thinking to cancel the order if it's possibe and buy Kona mahuna 2021 for litle less than 800 euros. It comes with 100mm rockshox judy, less travel but at least functional
The fork seems to have stayed the same to be honest. I've adjusted the rebound a few times and I'm fairly happy with it now. It's responsive enough and it does the job. I've heard lots of people criticising the fork, but for me it's been ok. My old bike had a Rockshox Recon 120mm and I'd say in comparison they are about the same. The Mahuna looks cool. It has a better gear range and I'm sure the frame is lighter, but the one thing that would put me off is the Quick-release instead of thru-axles.
It might sound like stupid questions but is it difficult to clean a white bike?And will you see every little spec of dust on it?
Not a stupid question at all, I found out about this the hard way yesterday.! Yeah, it's difficult to clean. The rear triangle is a nightmare because as soon as the rag or t-shirt whatever you're using to clean it with has a little bit of grease on it, you just end up smearing it all around the frame. I think the white colour is cool though. There are already a few scratches from rock strikes on mine, so I'm not worried about it looking perfect anymore.
hello! i want to buy a stoic and I want to ask you if you stayed for the bike coming in stock like for a drop.And if so, how much time did it pass until it ran out of stock. thank you!
I ordered mine in mid-December, around a week after the Stoic was released. I saw the other sizes (small, medium, x-large) go out of stock and Large and X-Small were the only sizes left. In the end that was what forced me to make the decision to order. The fear of missing out 😂
@@t0mj4y Thank you a lot!!!!!!!
I managed to buy it, I'm waiting for its arrival, and what do you think about the components, is it a good bike to start with?
Nice, congrats! Yeah for me it was absolutely fine to start with. The grips are really firm so make sure you either wear gloves or buy softer grips. Happy riding! 🤟🏼
@@t0mj4y how good is the saddle
@@anastasioskondakos2090 it’s a little too firm for me. It was ok on the first few short rides but now that I’m doing 50k+ per ride I think I’m going to upgrade to something with a hole in the middle.
@tOmj4y You write that the bike's frame size is L but the bike on the video is size M. Do you fit right for your height(1.85)? I order the bike at the M size (I am 177cm) and I am wondering if it will fit me well. My previous bike was a KTM hardtail size L and was more than fine.
Yeah the bike in the video is my size, it’s an L. It’s not very clear on the video but there are two stickers: one on the seat tube that says M105 and another sticker on the down tube that says Size L. For me it seems like the perfect size. So glad I didn’t get XL. I’m sure you’ll be ok with the M. 👍🏼
@@t0mj4y you are absolutely right! The two stickers confused me. Still waiting for my Stoic 2. I hope you enjoy yours!
I wonder if a person 181 cm tall can sit on the saddle with a fully straight leg? Seat tube of the frame seem to be short. Would have to be used some very long seat tube?
I had the stock seat tube adjusted well within its limits and I measure 185cm. This is an L frame. For 181 I think Canyon recommend an M.
Short question from someone who wants to start mountainbiking again: Is this bike capable of doing some long tours or is is really only a bike for trails? Sorry if the question sounds stupid butthe last time i ride a real mtb was 1998 so i really don't know what a bike today is capable to do.
björn zimmermann I did a 20 mile cycle not long ago on my stoic 3. I noticed it’s quite a bit heavier than my last bike, but it was fine. Plus the more you ride the more you get used to it
It's definitely capable of doing long tours, yes. It's well-built, and all of the components are designed to take a lot of abuse. I've done 30-40km rides so far and it feels fine for climbing and pedalling on flat. My advice would be: If it's been 20 years since you last rode a bike and you're not planning on throwing the bike down steep technical trails, off jumps, etc., a bike with less aggressive geometry might be a better option. There are plenty of cross country bikes around this price point that will have a more efficient, comfortable riding position for longer rides. Hope this helps!
Thanks for this video. I really like this bike as it comes at a decent price. Do you think the front thru axle is replaceable as I would prefer one without a QR handle -- a thru axle which is tightened with an Allen key would be better. I'm considering the Radon Jealous AL 8.0 (a German brand) which comes with a 1*12 Shimano Deore M6100 drivetrain, a Rock Shox Judy Gold RL Air (100mm). This bike is a good value for the money as it costs 1049 EUR (weight: 12kg). Another good bike is the Norco Fluit HT 2 which comes with a 1*11 Shimano Deore M5100, a Sun Tour XCM32 LOR DS 120mm, a dropper post, and a boost thru axle in the front and an HG thru axle in the rear. The only downside is the lower-end brakes HD-M275 from Tektro. As for the price, it's for 1099 EUR. Have you considered these bikes before? Any feedback would be much welcomed! Enjoy your bike. Greetings from Germany!
Thanks for your comment! Unfortunately I can't see how it would be possible to convert the front thru axle to one with an allen key because here are no threads on the inside of the fork. In my opinion it's a really elegant locking mechanism and there doesn't seem to be any compromise in rigidity compared to the rear. I hadn't seen either of the bikes you mentioned before but they both look like good options. I guess the Norco is more similar to the Stoic in terms of geometry and spec. For the difference in price I would still choose the Stoic and fit a dropper post with the extra 300 EUR. The Radon looks cool, it's lighter with higher spec components, although it seems much more suited to XC riding as opposed to enduro/trail riding. It depends what you want to ride really! If you like the Stoic, you could spend an extra 100EUR and get the Stoic 3 which has a dropper post and a decent long travel fork. Hope this helps!
@@t0mj4y Thanks for your reply! Actually, I would like to hit some trails and the Stoic 3 will do the job. Do you have any other suggestions?
@@achrafesaidi8481 I'm biased because I'm really happy with the Stoic, but the only other option I can see around your price point and spec is the Trek Roscoe 6, but I think I would still spend the extra 100 euros on the Stoic 3 if I had the money!
@@t0mj4y I see your point, but what I really don't like about the Stoic 3 is the Sram drivetrain and brakes as I heard some bad reviews on them as compared to their Shimano counterparts.
@@achrafesaidi8481 Yeah I understand, I've heard some pretty negative reviews about Sram GX too. Stoic 2 and upgrades then! :D
Hi tom, Im looking for stoic 2 too, Im 171cm, recommended for S, Im just afraid is too small. What u think ?
Personally I would trust Canyon's recommendation. In my case, practically every other bike manufacturer recommended an XL for me, but with Canyon it was an L. I did a 50+ km ride last weekend with over 1000m of accumulated altitude, and it just feels right!
M at least
Hey! how long have you been waiting for the bike?
I ordered around the middle of December, it only took 6 days to arrive. 😬
Do you know what the minimum size chainring you can put on? And are the rotors resin only rotors?
Hey, sorry for the late reply. I've done some digging but can't seem to find a good answer to this. Just from looking at the chainring bolts it does look like there is space for a smaller chainring if you can find one, but I can't find which BCD it is on the Canyon website. You definitely couldn't put a bigger one on there because it would rub on the chainstay. From what I've read you should be OK to swap out the brake pads for metallic or semi-metallic as long as the rotors are new.
My rear break when I press it it does a clicking sound is this normal?
It doesn't sound normal! The first thing I would check would be to see if the brake calliper is centred properly. There are 2 allen key bolts. You can loosen them a little, hold the brake lever to centre, then tighten the bolts. If that doesn't solve the problem. You should check the discs are tight, the pads are in properly and the wheel is centred.
Nice bike ich have the canyon stoice 3
Thanks! 🤟🏼
ich or ik
👍👍🤘🤘
Hi, i just have a question
Im 1.70 and i think the M size is good for me. What do you say should i get the M size?
It depends on your inseam. 170 is either S or M, but I would use the instructions on the Canyon website to measure your inseam and then check with the calculator. 👍
Es una ermosura 🤗🤗🤗🤗
¿A que sí? 😍
Can tell me what size bike you got (m or l, I guess) aand how tall you are yourself, please?
Sure! I'm 1.85m and I got an L frame. Seems to fit me just fine. 👍
@@t0mj4y thanks mate
Are the wheels tubeless ready or you haveto tape them?
Yeah there's tape in the wheels already. The tape in one of mine was folded over though so I had to put some new tape in.
How did you remove the fork stickers?
It was really easy, they just peeled right off. I put a little nail varnish remover on with a kitchen towel afterwards to get the remaining glue but I didn’t need to do much else 👍🏼
Can you tell me how tall are you because i don t know ehat frame size to get,thanks!
Sure! I'm 185cm. If you're still sure, not try using the size calculator on the Canyon website.
I'm thinking of buying one, is it hard to assemble, or does it come with instructions.
I don't have tools so is that a problem or does it come with one?
It's easy to assemble and comes with instructions and tools. I've got another video where you can see me assembling it. It would have taken less time if I had read the instructions! Really it's just a case of putting the handlebars on, the rear hanger and mech, pedals, and wheels. You'll need to buy some pedals and a pump to inflate the tyres but apart from that you should be fine!
@@t0mj4y so I don't need any tools?
@@ericc4526 No. They give you a torque wrench in the box which you do everything with. Check this video to see what they give you: czcams.com/video/KTEao56EgU4/video.html (minute 1:50) There are some good tips too for how to put it together.
@@t0mj4y ok, thank you so much 👍, will definitely subscribe for more content
how tall are you? i am 1.88m and i dont know if i should choose L or XL
I’m 1.85cm. The size calculator on the Canyon website recommends an L frame even if you put in 190, so I’d go with that! 👍🏼
Its a good bike for the money! However, the fork felt really bad for me, even after fiddling wit it for some time. Probably due ti cold weather here.
Fortunately for me the temperature here in Spain isn't too much of a problem! :D
For me as well. It feels like it does not have small bump compliance, or it just blows through the travel. Very picky fork... still trying to set it right for jumps and for the steeps. I am from Ecuador, but live in Heidelberg, Germany :D
@@misaelrealenriquez7119 why don’t you complain to Canyon?
@@nuck1913 Haha. I am not sure why you are saying that. But for the people who have seen the prices of a few MTBs, we know that at very low price points bikes do not come with nice specs. For the money Canyon has very competitive priced bikes (direct consumer brand). My comment is not a complain in general (so will not write to Canyon nor Suntour), but is a question to see if other people, who have experienced the same thing, have been able to solve it. The simple solution is to change the fork to a better one. What I prob will do in a few months :D
@@misaelrealenriquez7119 I was just curious as I have the same bike and haven’t seen anything wrong but I am not experienced as a rider. Seems like a new fork eg Fox 34 costs as much as the bike. Do they make much difference? To me, a bike worth 800 euros should have a functional fork so if it’s not working properly, should it be an issue for Canyon?
If I would buy it could I fit a smaller bar than 780mm?
Yeah, definitely. It's a aluminium handlebar so you could cut it with a hacksaw, or fit a different handlebar. It's a standard 31.8mm diameter.👍
@@t0mj4y Ty
What’s the fork like compared to other forks at the same price?
Sorry, I don't really have a good answer to this. I don't have anything to compare it to. In terms of price, I can only find this model (XCR 34 air boost) for sale online for about 300 euros. In terms of features it's an air fork with 34mm stanchions, 140mm travel, with a boost thru axle. I guess if you want the same features with a different brand like Rockshox or Fox it'd cost a lot more.
@@t0mj4y thanks for the info bro I appreciate it, sounds good to me
How tall are you, im 183 and cant decide what size to get
I'm 185 and got the large.
I have 1.70m, and i thought, the M will be good, when medium is 1.75-1.83m... do you agree?
Like I've said for other people here in the comments section, Canyon have a very different sizing guide compared to other manufacturers. For your height Canyon recommend a small, and I would too.
@@t0mj4y ok, thanks, i'll thing about..
I am not as snobby about the SR Suntour brand. after all the XC WC title has been won on them and compared the the RS Yari this fork is about par.
Good point. I've warmed to it over time though. Having the fork serviced made a world of difference, I have to say.
how much you paid for shipping ?
Ended up being about 60 euros. 15 for the box and 45 for shipping.
I live in Neuss, Germany. One will arrive to my house Monday brand new, does anyone want it as I have bought another bike already since I ordered it in December?
I want one lol
Hi James, are you still selling that bike?
@@jaykoctur976 Sorry it went quickly!
Is the head tube tapered?
Yeah it is, it just doesn't look like it because the whole things is oversized 👍
How is Sr Suntour doing today
It's all good. Around 400km on it and it seems about the same. I don't have a fork pump so I have no idea if it's set up for my weight. The only thing I've done is adjust with the rebound a bit for swapping between pumptrack and trail riding.
Hey there,
I may have stupid question as well. I am about to get into mountain biking, but there is chance I will use that bike for some town "commuting" with my 4yr old son and wife, would not be that so big pain to ride this bad boy? I mean time to time ride some town's bicycle paths.
Thanks for your potential answer.
Petr
Not a stupid question at all! I think it's a good bike for getting into mountain biking, and it's fine for short rides with the family, it's not uncomfortable on the flat. My advice would be: If you don't plan to do very extreme riding, something like the Grand Canyon 5 would be more appropriate because it has more relaxed geometry, a higher gear range and it's not as heavy.
@@t0mj4y Thanks for reply! Actually I just ordered this one 15 mins before I read your notification 😅 Pity is that shipping is scheduled for 24th May. Keep us informed about some of your improvements, I noticed some videos where guys went for dropper post and fork asap. I heard breaks should get changed as well. I also got recommendation what all should I change right after unpacking and those components would double the price though. I do not know if I would be willing to spend another 800 EUR either for components or completely different bike if I do not know how big mountain biker I will be.
However, keep safe and thanks for your time spent with reading this another post.
@@peetafunkadelic Ah congratulations, you made a good choice! There are big problems with availability at the moment, but it will be worth the wait. I'll post some more content soon with upgrades. They will be cheap upgrade as I am on a budget. Don't worry about upgrading anything as soon as you open the box. Enjoy it first and only upgrade what you think is necessary!
@@t0mj4y Btw are you willing to recommend also some helmet? So I know where to look... Thank you for your possible answer!
@@peetafunkadelic I have an orbea helmet that was given to me as a present and I'm happy with it! I think helmets are a very personal choice. If you are a beginner I think a full-face helmet isn't necessary. I recommend looking at the brand ""on-one". They have excellent quality helmets at low prices.
Does it come with a dropper post?
No, I bought and installed the dropper post separately. There's a superior model with one already fitted. 👍
@@t0mj4y Thanks for the fast reply! I have another question tho... if there is no dropper post how do you move the seat? Because I dont see the thing where you can open & close in the video.
Oh and is 15kg way to much coming from a 13.9?
@@clememem the weight isn't a huge issue for me, it's not light, but the weight makes it really stable too when descending.
@@t0mj4y alright man! You definitely earned a sub! Thanks for clarifying I’m gonna save up for it now!
What is the weight of this bike?
I weighed it on some bathroom scales and got 15.8kg. That’s including pedals, bottle cage and a little bit of mud on the tyres.
Sr suntor are good forks
only some of them like the higher end ones
Frame size??
This one is a Large. 👍🏼
@@t0mj4y Thx :)
u really from spain?
Nope, just live here! From the uk originally
@waquzy thanks! Moving out here was the best decision I’ve ever made. Lots to explore too if you like mountain biking.
@@t0mj4y man spain is like a paradise , such a scenic place
@@sdqsdq6274 Yep, definitely agree with you!
@@t0mj4y I've been to two tours in the Pyrenees. Really good riding! Ainsa is a mountainbikers paradise. I'd highly recommend Basquemtb for a guided trip.
Would have thought Matthew McConaughey would spend more on a bike
😂 alright alright alright
I’m pretty sure that’s the stoic 3
Maybe in your country it is, but here in Spain Canyon market this as the Stoic 2. I’ve heard that in some countries the grey “mid-spec” build isn’t available which might explain the confusion.
@@t0mj4y oh that makes sense