Before You Buy a 360mm AIO | Corsair 240mm AIO vs 360mm AIO
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In today's video, I compare two different AIO CPU Liquid coolers from Corsair. Is a 360mm AIO really worth the money?
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🎬Chapters
🕒 0:00 - Upgrading my CPU cooler
🕒 0:58 - Corsair iCUE H100i Elite Capellix vs H150i Elite Capellix XT
🕒 1:24 - Lian Li SL Uni Fans 120mm
🕒 1:54 - Thermal grizzly kryonaut vs pre applied thermal paste
🕒 2:44 - How to see test results early
🕒 3:15 - Sihoo Doro C300 Ergonomic Office Chair
🕒 4:45 - Testing Conditions, Fan Curve, Corsair iCUE Pump Speed
🕒 6:17 - Ambient and idle temperatures
🕒 6:44 - Cinebench R23 Test results
🕒 7:56 - Games Tested
🕒 8:31 - CyberPunk 2077 4K Ultra Ray Tracing benchmark
🕒 9:25 - Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 4K Ultra benchmark
🕒 9:47 - God of War 2018 4K Ultra Max Settings benchmark
🕒 10:22 - Which CPU cooler should you buy
🕒 11:53 - Why a 360 AIO is not worth it
🕒 13:02 - When you should use a 360 AIO
🕒 13:28 - Final thoughts
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isn't it best to have the tubes at the bottom so that your pump doesn't suck air once it loses some liquid over time?
Quick question, how do you keep your CPU at a constant max clock speed, mine is ALL over the place, running r23 only maxes out at 79 degrees with a bequiet Dark Rock Elite, but it doesn't boost to 5050mhz......
Biggest difference you missed is that your pc aesthetics got a huge boost going to a 360 😎. Great video man! Very informative.
Thank you! I appreciate it! Yeah I meant to say that in the video. But I forgot. I also forgot some other small points as well.
I’m so glad to see your channel is doing great 👍🏻 BTW your PC build looks super-cool I love it!
Thank you I really appreciate that! Thanks for all the support!
I believe the greatest benefit to a larger Rad is you can typically use a less aggressive fan curve and therefor have a quieter system.
Yes, you are correct. I'm not sure if that justifies the cost though. I guess that is a subjective benefit?
@ErockOnDeck Yes it is definitely a subjective benefit just like a custom loop. When I play single player games I like the option to play without headphones, so a quiet pc is worth the premium to me but if you use headphones then no it really isn't.
And that's honestly not even a guarantee. Fans have gotten so quiet these days. What you really want are 140mm fans so that they can spin slower and move more air.
For example, the fan that comes with the Hyper 212 Evo moves around 72 CFM of air a 2000RPM. It's LOUD at 2000RPM. I have some Arctic P14 fans (140mm) that max around 1500 RPM and they are so much quieter, move the same CFM and have double the static pressure. So, a 280mm AIO is really what you'd want to look for if you are looking for a 2x fan radiator for your AIO so you can use 140mm fans like the P14's (known for their extremely high static pressure, perfect for pushing/pulling through heatsinks and filters).
Otherwise, I'd just go ahead and get a 420mm because of aesthetics AND that special number haha. Plus, you have an AIO that should cool anything you throw at it. You just need a case that can handle 140mm fans, which most cases are moving to that dual set up where they can fit 120mm or 140mm fans (like mine). I have 2x 140mm in the front, 2x 140mm on the top and 1x 140mm in the rear. Then a Fuma 2 Rev B with the 2x 120mm fans that come with it. I tried swapping them out with my 120mm Hyper 212 Evo fans but man... they were loud and while they did make a slight difference, it wasn't that much. That stock Fuma 2 Rev B fans spin in opposing directions which is supposed to help, too, so I wasn't getting that with the 2x 120mm Hyper 212 Evo fans.
Gotta admit, though, that Thermalright Peerless Assassin is one of the best air coolers on the market and if I ever find the need to upgrade (this Fuma 2 Rev B cools my 5900x with ease), that will be my next air cooler, I believe. There's a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE now. There is also a new Phantom Spirit that is a step up from the Peerless Assassin, so, actually, that'd be what I'd go with, next. It has an extra heatpipe, too, and larger heatsinks. So, yeah, I take that back, the Phantom Spirit seems like the new top tier air cooler to go for. I doubt there's a Noctua cooler that can compete with it, and if there is, I'm not paying $100+ more for a cooler that gives1-2 C lower temps.. in a brown color. Ugh. Not a fan of Noctua. Yes, they make killer products, but they are so overpriced when you have heatsinks like these and the Fuma 2 Rev B (and Rev C coming soon) and fans like the Arctic P14 and F14, depending if you want more CFM or static pressure. The P14 is the static pressure one with larger fins and fewer of them, while the F14 has more fins that are smaller.
The P14 seems to be the way to go either way. I LOVE mine. Very quiet unless you crank them up to max speed (1500RPM) and then you can kind of hear them. NOTHING at all like 120mm fans cranked up all the way to 2000RPM, though. Plus, I game with headphones, so I don't hear them at all. And I really don't hear them at anything from 1300RPM and under
I can't help it... I've always enjoyed air coolers. It doesn't matter how big your radiator is if you don't have a good baseplate that can transfer the heat to the radiator. Same goes for air coolers. So, a high quality air cooler is hard to fully saturate with heat. My Fuma 2 Rev B doesn't get fully saturated pushing 180 watts, and that's with the stock 120mm 1500RPM fans. And those wattages were only hit before my negative .5v offset with a 180 EDC limit, which now puts me to around 160-165 watts max with a 5.1ghz max single core boost after my per core Curve Optimizer tuning. Although, I typically see at the highest 4.8ghz average frequencies in games that really push the cores. 4.6ghz on the low end for the games that really don't use the CPU that hard (8-12% utilization).
Gotta play Frostbite games to get that high CPU core/thread utilization lol. Oh, and Madden 24 pushes the CPU cores/threads pretty heavily, too.
Otherwise, to get your money's worth out of a 5900x, you need to stream and record CoD Warfare or BF5/BF2042 using the CPU. I'm not sure 8 cores is even enough for that. I KNOW for a fact a 3600/5600 can't stream CoD Warfare with the CPU without lots of skipping and dropping out, and CoD doesn't use as much CPU as BF2042 in a 128 player server.
But, if you're a streamer and video editor, you probably already have 12-16+ cores.
Noise is more important than heat for me, so yeah, if I can run fans slower for the same temperature, it's worth paying extra to me.
Just wanna let you know. The new XT coolers come with XTM70 thermal compound. It’s a VAST improvement over the old 50 and 30 series stuff. In fact, it’ll go toe to toe with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme. But the bonus, is that XTM70 is supposed to last longer before it loses its thermal transfer capabilities.
So happy your channel is doing amazing Erock. I been using Corsair 240 AIO for 2 years and while its great, I'm going back to air coolers starting with Deepcool Assassin IV after watchign GN reviewing it. I like it and I already order it so yeah.
Thank you! I really appreciate it! Yeah Air coolers are starting to grow on me!
How is the noise level on the 240mm thinking about getting one with new case and just thinking about future if i get the 7800x3d seems like temps are solid
i enjoy your content so keep it up :D
Hi sir. First of all, huge respects to your precious works! I got same cpu and cooler but i got some problems abt temps and ghz's. My 7800x3d mhz was gave me 4ghz at start and saw a YT short of yours and it helped me to get 5 ghz like u said (pbo, co -30 etc.) But still my temps was crazy like when gaming (around 70-80 which is too much for gaming compared to yours). Only the solution i found to set ''cpu offset voltage 0.05'' and i got 10 degress less than before.. But now problem is; ghz of the cpu went down to 4.7-4.8 while gaming after lowering the offset voltage. So i'm stuck of middle of nowhere, what should i do :(
360MM AIOs have a much larger surface area, so they will be a lot more effective at dissipating heat. And because 360MM AIOs have an extra fan, the fans can run at a lower RPM, so they can operate at lower noise levels while providing better cooling performance than a 240MM AIO. Whether a 360MM AIO is worth it or not will depend on the type of workloads you will be doing and what CPU you have. A larger AIO will provide noticeably better cooling performance if you are doing heavy overclocking.
Right, but I think if you're doing heavy over clocking, then you likely already know that OR you will use a 420 AIO or a custom loop. This video is mostly geared towards gamers looking to upgrade their PCs for gaming. As you can see in gaming, the difference is mostly negligible. The exception was God of War if you watched the benchmarks. I also showed Cinebench R23 and even there the temperature difference at max load on the multi core was only 2-3 c.
@ErockOnDeck A 420MM AIO or custom loop can be worth it for gamers that heavily overclock their components in order to maximise the performance they can get in gaming. A heavy CPU overclock can also be well worth it for gamers experiencing CPU bottlenecks.
@@ErockOnTech Exactly. If a 240mm cools the CPU without being too much for the 240mm to handle, a 360mm won't make any difference whatsoever.
Now, sure, if you're throwing 5950x'sor 7950x's or, ESPECIALLY, the 13900K, then yeah, you will see better cooling with a 360mm or 420mm cooler, especially on the 13900K. Those things can handle whatever you throw at it.
But you won't see a difference if you have a 5600x between a 240mm vs a 360mm or larger. You aren't going to fully saturate the water temps in a decent 240mm AIO with a little 5600x. PBO or not.
Me, I have a 5900x and my Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming Wi-Fi II that has, of course, PBO and all that. But it also has a nice preset that works amazingly. Asus Performance Enhancement. Turn that on and it sets your PPT to 1000 watts, TDC to 1000 amps and the EDC to 180 amps. Typically PBO gives me lower clock speeds in gaming, but it does let all my cores stay cranked up in all core benchmarks.
Well, APE, as I'll call it, gives me higher boost clocks in gaming, especially in conjunction with my per core Curve Optimizer tune I'm using on my 5900x. I also use a negative .5v offset on my CPU voltage so now, instead of hitting 180 watts at around that 180 EDC mark, I hit 160-165 watts.
All that said, I use a Fuma 2 Rev B and it cools it this CPU so easily. Gaming? Psh, not an issue. Benchmarks? SSE I usually peak at 68-70C. AVX2 benchmarks push me on up to 80C. That's with the stock puny Fuma 2 fans, too.
I don't even know if it'd be worth it to swap to any AIO. I know it's not gonna help much in gaming, but for "benchmarking", sure, I may shave off a couple of degrees, who knows?
@ErockOnTech A 420 AIO or a custom loop, is not always worth it. It depends on budget and case space. The 420 AIO is also way to big. I myself I'm doing an experiment of heavy overclocking on a 1366 which is my 13 years old PC. I tried the Bequiet Pro 4, but I can only get my CPU to 4.3ghz. I want to push this i7 960k to 5.0ghz. I turned this PC into a MAME Arcade. But I love to throw new gen games at it from time to time to see how much can this CPU can still handle.
Thank you for the vid man really helped
I have a Corsair 5000x (white) RGB case plus H150i RGB w/QX120, QX120 starter set and a solo QX120.
The AIO on top, and solo QX120 on rear exhausting with front 3 intake.
same basic orientation your test setup. However, the CPU spins up to 92c (ADA64 stress test) while the
cooler temp does not exceed at 35c!! I'm using Grizzly KyroSheet Not my cup of tea, I don't see kyronaut
being alot better.
Any Idea's? Did your cooler temps track the cpu closer?
ordered some Kyronaut Extreme will test again
Going from 240 to a 360 is about right but I bet you get better temps using the fans thst were provided
I'm curious how long you let the games run? Because I believe once the system has been on for a few hours, you'll start to see a major difference. I could be completely wrong, but that's my assumption. Either way, good video!
hey i was looking into this 360mm but i been reading ppl saying the pump is too loud , did you experience anything like that? i have a 13700k would you recommend any other good alternatives?
I don’t personally think it’s that loud. But that can be subjective. For an alternative, especially for noise levels, I recommend this. czcams.com/video/so2lYYxeYLY/video.htmlsi=Ap4oTjY92MWFMKtF
Can you please do a test for intel chips like 13700k as I feel like it's a good candidate to test 240mm aio and 360mm aios
I really love these comparisons because it helps bring perspective on diminishing returns on cost vs performance for people like me who tend to run their processors at stock speeds. I'm personally prefer air cooling, there's a lot less that can go wrong with your system, and today's air coolers are more than enough for most people. I recently upgraded my 5800X to the 5800X 3D for $289, because you get the gaming performance of the 7700X/13700k and still have the multi-core performance of the 7600X.
I purchased the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB for $37 after taxes, which has the performance of the much more expensive DeepCool Assassin IV, and comes highly recommended by Gamers Nexus, and Tom's Hardware . My old cooler is the Be Quiet Pure Rock 2 Black, which I will be selling with my old 5800X as a combo for $150, getting back a significant chunk of what I spent to upgrade.
Thank you I appreciate it! Yeah I released a poll asking for people’s cooling solutions. The vast majority said they use air coolers. Air coolers are great!
@@ErockOnTech Just an update, I installed the PA 120 SE and saw a drop of 6 degrees on maximum temps from 76C to 69C (nice). My averages also dropped 8C from 64C to 56C. This is in a room at 72 F playing Cities Skylines for one hour.
@@soonerproud lol nice! Thanks for the update! That’s fantastic results!
When you did your gaming temp tests, how long did you do the benchmarking? Usually AiO's take a certain amount of time to reach thermal equilibrium, and I wonder how the three differentiate at that point, or if this is where you started.
So I started with cinebench. I ran that multiple times. Then on the last run, I recorded the temperatures. Then I ran the gaming benchmarks. The system had more than enough time to be hot and let heat soak sink in.
Love the video. Make me feel better of what was my last buy. I end up buying an Air Cooler the Thermalright PA 120. After 2 AIO that I love them but the pump just die because of use. I end up buying the Air cooler, way more chipper and giving me the same performance that my 2 240 AIO.
the seat looks good, since i pulled my back a few times over the years I'm also keen on it and lumber is a big issue and seating position, one reason I've got lazy boy chairs as there deigned all around back and body support by experts in the field, people don't realise how much damage they do when using the wrong kit and it takes years to sort it out that's if it can be, you only got one back look after it, also going from 240 to 280 i didn't see much of a difference even using different fans, all were on balanced as extreme setting just wasn't worth setting, id still go 280 as on deals there's not much cost difference also they don't work as hard, one big bonus on AIO though going from air cooling is the Mb,Memory ect runs cooler as there is more are flow around the system..
I actually just bought the 240mm AIO, replacing my 360mm Enermax Liqmax 3. I assumed my Enermax AIO needed to be replaced, as I changed and replaced the AIO head with new thermal paste FOUR TIMES (trying to make sure I mounted it correctly, and tight enough), and my idle temps (on my Ryzen 9 3900x) CPU remained close to 60c. lol
When I first got the PC, idle temps for the CPU was between 30-40c on idle. I don't even overclock, either.
Hoping this AIO helps out a lot, and it's not just me mounting and applying thermal paste (I use the dot in the middle method) incorrectly...Aaaaaahhhhhh. o_____o
Great info! You helped me save $300. I now feel confident in buying my ABS prebuilt with the 240mm AIO. Thanks!
Congrats on 10k! Sponsor's chair actually looks pretty decent... I'd definitely consider it if I needed a new one. The 360 fills out your case a lot better than the 240, much aesthetic! Very cooling! Such radiator! Hahaha... let's go algorithm!
Haha! Thank you on all things said! Much appreciated!
I just got the 240 corsair icue and I had a msi mpg 360... The pump in the msi was in the rad. But I'm also running a intel i7 10700k. The 240 is running a lot lower temps but I'm not sure if having the pump in the msi 360 rad could have made a big difference.
Well depending on the age, the pump could have been older. They have different generations of pumps out there.
So I got a 240 aio out of an omen pre built PC and put it in my custom PC. The AIOs tubes are super thick (thicker than normal AIOs). I never hear the pump and it keeps the computer almost as cool as a 360 AIO with thinner tubes. It was also quieter. I've tested it. Do thicker tubes make a better AIO? It seems so in theory. The pump can carry more liquid to and from the radiator right? Easier? It seems to be the case with this one that I have at least. This omen 240 AIO is awesome. I've tested against more expensive AIOs and I like it more... other than aesthetics. The bigger tubes seem to make a difference... I know more goes into than engineering than that... But that is the only physical difference that I can physically see. Omen makes good AIOs (or more than likely out sources this part and slaps their logo on it)... I wish I could buy this AIO new... For when mine eventually shits the bed.
Good info to have when ever I get a chance to build a new pc
Happy to help!
From your testing if the test of the 240 at ‘extreme’ setting I would assume you would still have the same a few degree changes. Thus not much, however the 360 would give a bit more long term cooling effect. Very nice comparisons of 240 vs 360, Thanks!
I expected a much bigger difference, was worrying that my new 240mm aio might not hold up in future but now I'm pretty confident
Same here! I've been checking 360mm AIOs on Black Friday sales, but I don't think it's worth the price for such a little difference
I could've used this video a month ago lol. My CPU cooling was one of the things I did the least research on. A Deepcool LT720 was recommended to me so I went with it but probably could've saved some money with a 240. Also wouldn't have had the struggle of fitting my EPS cable behind the radiator.
Thx❤
Literally just tested amd switched to the Artic Freezer II 280MM. Beast of a cooler! And no BS ICUE
That's awesome!
Can it cool an Intel 13900KS/13900k? AMD 7950? AMD 7950x3d?
I had to rewind the video like 3 times to peep the PC setup. I saw the video where you made it, but I'm still jelly
Haha don’t be bro. I got too much money into this thing lol 😂
How noticeable is the difference in noise? I'm trying to build a really quiet PC, but I don't know how crazy the 240mm fans will go when gaming.
I think we would see a bigger difference if you were using a 13900k (more power hungry cpu) or using liquid metal (higher and faster heat transfer) i think, but great video!
The aesthetic factor is the main reason I’m tempted to get an aio.
Not a fan of dual tower air coolers as they are unsightly imo taking up too much space and blocking rgb ram.
Did the temps vary from an air cooler?
I’m considering a 280mm aio
I’m not gonna lie. I love the aesthetics. It’s a big reason why I bought my specific model of AIOs. I did not have a comparable air cooler to test with sadly.
Aesthetics are so subjective. I like either, to be clear, but if asked my preference? A NHD15 looks way cleaner than any AIO to me. I prefer a blacked out PC case though, highlighting just how truly subjective aesthetics are lol... I think people care entirely too much about RGB, and I have factually cringed hard, so many times, having to build client machines for people that were more concerned with the rainbow puke effect of RGB, than actually applying budgeted cash to performance. Kind of unreal if you ask me... to each their own I guess. I will always be more concerned with the computer lighting up my monitor than itself.
@@x8jason8x I understand completely. I think going for both is fine. But if you have to make a choice, then yes of course, people should choose performance over aesthetics. Yeah the NDH15 is incredibly popular. Honestly, air cooling is growing on me. I’ll eventually do an all air build. Speaking of blacking out a PC, I will eventually move away from the all white aesthetic and head towards an all black aesthetic with color accents. I want to do a Batman themed PC.
@@ErockOnTech Haha... I obviously like the creative builds, I just personally only make them for others. Hell, my wife's rig is loaded with RGB haha... when I was building it, she was all: "but I thought you hate RGB?"... So I'm all: "I don't hate it, I just don't want it in MY rig. You shouldn't make your choices based on my preferences." lol.
So of course... the whole thing is lit up red in a 4000D airflow, hahah.
@@x8jason8x haha that’s funny and insightful at the same time.
good video, very little on this important topic.
Thank you 🙏 I really appreciate that!
The pump speed should stay the same at all times. You find a sweet spot.
The liquid need time to be heated and time to be cooled. Ofc. the liquid can not stay with cpu too long, because then it is heated too much.
Pump speed is a relationship between cpu/heating area and cooling area.
Higher than sweet spot speed, the cpu will not be able to heat the liquid in one cycle. Then the fans will not have as much to cool. The liquid will not have enough time in the cooler to be cooled, unless the cooler is bigger.
I have not been testing so much, but it seems that 360mm cooler is only need because the pump speed is too high.. in most cases, because the cpu heat transfer is the same size.
Your looking at this all wrong, it's not about the extra cooling performance. It's about the exta RGB fan that makes your rig look so much better, and everyone knows more RBG=more FPS
i just feel corsair aio bit expensive for what it is its other brands that peform as good but cheaper but i use corsair to so for now until i build my new pc in october ^^
Yeah Corsair is definitely expensive for sure. They should be cheaper. What are you building in October?
Thanks for the test.
I will get the compromise of a 280mm AIO as the 240mm is already perfectly adequate.
Did you heat soak your system when testing? Short benchmark runs vs long runs will perform different.
Yes I did. I ran cinebench multiple times on 10 minute tests before finalizing the cinebench numbers and before even starting the gaming tests.
Have you tested the difference between Thermal grizzly kryonaut / Thermal grizzly kryonaut extreme? this test would be absolutely and completely moot if the answer is no.
Great comparison. I have an Artic LF II - 240 on a 11700K sync all cores 5000MHz, i got 90 - 95ºC on R23 30 min. On games i got an average of 65ºC, it's pretty good for me. I have this 240 for 2 years now and i will swap it for a 360 only if it will break. Your video confirmed my thoughts on their temp difference. Thanks
Thats what I have. Been using it on a 13600k and just ordered a 14700k. Been nervously hoping it will be enough. But if the temp gain to a 360 is only ~3c I don't really see the point. Not to mention I can't really. My 4090 is so long, a 360mm Artic cooler definitely wouldn't fit. It would have to be something with a thin radiator, which would kind of defeat the purpose I would think. Hey, do you use yours as intake or exhaust? I use as exhaust. I wonder if I could shave off a few temps by just flipping the fans around. If I need to, that is.
@@jessefisher1809 i use it as intake on front with an addicional 120 fan. I have 2 exhaust 120 fans on back and i work around with its curves. It works pretty well. You just need to make sure that the upper part of the radiator is above the pump.
@@augustomartins9516 I see.
Yeah I can't put mine on the front because its too big. So if it were to be intake it would have to be on the top. Then I would have a total of 5 intake fans and only 1 exhaust. You think thats too much? I could also flip all the fans too giving 3 intake 3 exhaust but then I'd have negative pressure (two are 140mm) and more dust, plus the back fan doesn't have mesh so even more dust.
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. I don't even know if I'll have a temp problem yet.
@@jessefisher1809 In that case, it's certainly better to have the AIO on top and the rear fan as exhaust and the other 3 as intake, so you can walk close or even have positive pressure. Play with the curves so that the intake fans accelerate when the AIO fans accelerate aswell. You'll be ok
@@augustomartins9516 Okay thanks for your insight.
I understand this is more about 240 vs 360, but: AiOs from different "manufacturers" are similar enough as it is, so why mess around with the fans? Besides: 90+% of customers will use what comes in the box, not throw out brand-new fans they just bought to mount their own. Nothing wrong with testing AiO performance with some sort of reference fans instead of the stock ones - but that should just be an additional test on top of all the standard ones that should be conducted in total stock config. Same goes for the thermal paste, IMO... if there's stuff pre-applied (or included in a tube in the box), it needs to be tested first.
Besides that: The reason I'm looking to upgrade from a 240 to a 360 is my new CPU which draws a lot more power under full load than my previous one (12600K vs 14700KF). Power-limits never concerned me on the old chip, but the new one will draw over 300W in CB with no limits set and I've seen peaks of 340W in other benchmarks. Not only do I have to run the i7 with power-settings that are well below semi-official specs (it's set to max out at 210 - 225W in CB R23 cause that's what my 240mm can deal with on 10-minute runs), but the fans do tend to get a bit loud under medium to heavy loads. Plus the pump is a bit whiny even when I run it on 5V, which starts to annoy me on this particular AiO (once you've heard it, you can't un-hear it, lol). That said: I doubt any 360 would be able to cope with this thing (or a 13/14 gen i9) with no limits in place, but it'd be nice to be able to set the 253W PL that Intel mention in their spec-sheet.
Does all this matter in daily life? Other than the pump-noise and slightly fast running fans in CPU-heavier games... not *really*. But then there's the matter of unifying my fan/RGB situation which is a bit cobbled together - and to improve the looks and cable-situation of the build. That last bit is the only reason why I'm looking at Corsair AiOs which seem a bit underwhelming in the performance department for their ridiculous pricing - but they do seem to be designed to dramatically reduce the amount of cabling/routing.
Lastly: Even though most of them are pretty similar, regardless of whose name is printed on the box, not all AiOs are created equal. I've seen test-results where certain 240s will hold their own against "lesser" 360s, so if thermal performance is top priority, I wouldn't suggest getting *any* 360 thinking it'll have to beat *any* 240 out there just because it's bigger.
My 7800x3d goes up to 80c with my nzxt z63, looks like i have a heat problem
I dont think you said AIO enough. There i was nit picking 😅
I said the same thing while editing it. Dang AIO I get it lol 😂
@@ErockOnTech lmao 🤣
When you test CPUs, you need to LOWER your graphic settings!
Take a look at your load levels: around 20-30% most of the time, of course all AIO will perform in the same realm.
Though it's still on par with the Cinebench benchmarks so the conclusion might still be correct but your methods can need some improvement.
Oh and yea, please include loudness or at least fan RPM measurements.
One of the reasons for a 360 is that is gives off heat with a lower fan curve.
You should be able to handle pump speed in bios
Yeah I tried the bios. It did not work for me. But thank you.
I've been trying to decide between the 360mm and 240 ASUS ROG Ryujin III ARGB I'm still torn between the 2 but those video helped for sure.
The cost nearly doubles on the Asus 240 and 360 and I'm sure the cost isn't worth the 2 or 3 degrees. I'm a huge Corsair fan but don't like the coolers so much.
Anyway great informative video which has certainly made me consider the smaller as mentioned above, thank you.
My heart said 360aio
My wallet said 240aio😢
Your wallet thanks you.
My man thermal grizzly the G.O.A.T
Yes it is!
put them against an arctic liquid freezer 2 360 and it will wipe the floor with both of them
COD is a very GPU intense game, maybe you weren't seeing as much a difference in temeperature in CPU because of that? But, I did see CPU usage was very similar between the games. Thoughts?
Maybe u could gain a slightly less noisy computer? I just want a peaceful invirorment with raw power.
That is also a benefit for sure.
tbh i woudnt buy a 360 Aio now when lian li comes with new Aio in october
Yeah Corsair has new AIOs coming as well. But most AIOs use the same cooling solution because a third party company has a patent on the technology.
@@ErockOnTech yeah im just super exited for the new lian li fans that comes with lcd
@@XeqtrM1 Yeah I'm curious about those as well. I'm excited to see reviews on them!
great video. I'm going to upgrade my cooler master 240mm aio with a msi mpg 360mm aio as the 240mm is fairly loud at times and my room gets quite hot in the summer. hopefully it will be worthwhile for my i7 11700k.
you gained life span of the whole pc?
I was smart and got a 240mm AIO
Hey man Im finally building a System that will do my 4080 justice... Went with the AM% platform on Asus TUF & 7800x3d w/32GB of 6000mhz RAM, and also went with a 240mm AIO (upgrading from AM4 & 5600x w/16gb of 3200mhz RAM
That’s fantastic! I’m very happy for you! Let me know if you have any issues with AM5. I may be able to help.
@@ErockOnTech awesome thanks, I'll definitely keep it in mind if I run into trouble
@@GregoryShtevensh 💪
Hey I actually am having an issue. I have searched but I only see tutorials on a different more common issue.
Basically, I can't seem to install Ryzen Master.
When I go through the installation it just says "installation failed".
I have undervolted the CPU - 10 on the best 2 cores, -15 on the 3rd and 4th best cores, and -20 on the remaining 4 cores. And it seems strong and stable with good temperatures.
But as for Ryzen Master, I had it installed years ago with my R5 2600 but could never reinstall it with my 5600x and now with my 7800x3d.
Do you have any ideas? There's a bunch of videos on the "driver not installed correctly" issue, but none on the "installation failed" issue.
Would be awesome to see a video addressing this❤
Also if you have any other tips for AM5 and 7800x3d other than negative curve optimiser and running EXPO on the RAM, I'm all eyes and ears
What about noise levels tho
On the balanced preset, inaudible as the fan curve makes the fans louder than the AIO. However, on the Extreme preset, very much audible. A bit annoying actually.
And possibly the thermal differences running the games could be the pressure made by pressing the mouse button. This one you hadn't heard yet.😂😂😂😂😂
LOL! That's funny!
Just set the pump to 100% through bios
In terms of actual usefulness 360mm aios are almost never worth it, but they look so much better than 240mm and that is enough readon for me to buy them
Air cooler gang on deck
Chair looks cool man but my wallet says other wise
Haha I understand completely. Thank you.
Wrong CPU used. Try i9 13900K.
Bro, fuck those busted ass cheap amazon chairs...i bought one too and man it looks worse than the interior of a junkies long-stay hotel room
Hi Erock. Some non-malicious criticism that I hope you take to heart: Not going back and testing the 240mm Extreme preset was a big mistake. You set out in this video to provide a definitive answer / recommendation and ultimately, you provided your opinion on theoretical data when you had everything you needed to provide actual results via direct comparison. At the end of the day, you should not sacrifice quality in testing because it's late and you want to get the video published. Also, saying that the commenters of this video will probably say you could have done more extensive and better testing, but you chose not to because you did more than the average person is an excuse that makes you come across somewhat lazy. The production quality of the video and the way you present information is well done...but going forward, please don't skimp on future testing or make excuses. Follow through and raise the bar of your channel.
why buying a 360, when you can buy a 420?
Size constraints. Money. Diminishing returns.
flawed... this is why you dont use your personal rig! you should have spent your money on a test bench!
Elaborate.. what’s flawed about it? That’s like me saying “your’re wrong” without context. So give proper context or don’t comment as you just come across as negative hater as opposed to someone giving constructive feedback.
@@ErockOnTech not using the same thermal paste, not testing all the aio's under the same conditions, no mention of ambient air temps or noise adjusted rpm to test how good the fans are. are they the same fans, same gen etc? all you basically did was say my 360mm aio is better than my 240mm aio, well duh! when you get the chance/$$, get the test bench, that way re-installing the 240mm aio is no big deal. I mean no harm and take care.
@@mypeeps1965 Are you kidding? Are you literally trolling me right now? I couldn’t make it past your first two stupid sentences. This is freaking nonsense. I literally gave you all this information in the video. I addressed the fans. I told you the ambient temperature. I gave you full disclosure on the thermal paste and btw that has such little impact on the thermals given the brand. Go troll someone else with this nonsense. I literally addressed all these things. The 240mm AIO and 360mm AIO were tested exactly the same in like for like conditions. This includes everything except the thermal paste. That means the ambient temperature, the fans, the games used, the heat soak, etc. ALL of this is said in the video.
@@ErockOnTech Son, no one is taking you seriously, no one! Show your work, prove your work. Stupid? I think most people understand what I said just fine, but you seem to have an agenda. I have owned a successful shop for 35 years doing gpu, and motherboard repair. I've work with every name brand MFR, I know what I'm doing. You have potential, but you have to get your shit together, you need a test bench so you don't have to constantly break down your own system(or NOT in this case), , which is what you did! You compromised yourself, NOT ME! When you state that you are unwilling or too lazy to break down your system and test, like for like, then you have lost ALL receptibility. Get a test bench so that any changeovers are easy. i only want you to succeed. no matter what happens, i wish you the best!
corsair aio's are NOT the best. NZXT are always near or at the top of 360mm aio's from my experience.
Yeah you’re probably right. But NZXT is radically over priced. Also, Corsair is over priced. People complain about GPUs, but AIOs have done nothing but increase in price. Corsair is too expensive. NZXT is even worse. But I do agree, pricing aside, NZXT is my preferred choice.
@@ErockOnTech NZXT has non rgb 360mm aio's that are around $130 on sale. just put your own fans on if you want a little color.
@@mypeeps1965 But do those have the LCD display? Do those come in white?
@@ErockOnTech yes, but is that all you can think about?
@@mypeeps1965 I’m not sure if you’re being a jerk with your tone here or not. But no, it’s not all I think about. But it is a factor. I don’t just want my PC to run well, but I want it to look good also. If functionality is all I wanted, then I would slap a NDH15 on it and call it a day. Also, not sure what market you’re in, but I searched extensively for a white NZXT AIO in white that had a LCD display. All I found were $250+ models in my area.
1st muahahahahaha 😂
Haha thanks for the support man!
i f** love how all un your streaming room looks, soo clean and then the white pc is a dream 🩵 good job
Thank you! I really appreciate that!