AIO Monster Showdown - Nov 2023 🥶
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- Today James presents 2 solid weeks of work - testing a variety of AIO coolers we received in our labs in the last couple of months. This isn’t a group test of every cooler we think is good on the market. We have reviewed many coolers already from EKWB, Corsair, Deep Cool and many others in previous months. The plan for future AIO reviews is to show performance data from both AMD and Intel platforms and that coolers we have previously tested on AMD will be added to the Intel charts periodically as it takes a lot of work/time.
So what we present today in this video is a round up of some other coolers we received in recent months that we haven't been able to test yet - are there any hidden gems here? James shows all.
Which is the quietest cooler? Which is the best value? Which performs the best? All this and more will be answered today! Read more here: bit.ly/47vGRw1
00:00 Start
01:08 Lian Li Coolers
02:01 Lian Li GA II LCD 360 - Unifan SL-INF 120 Version
07:08 Installation and discussion
09:55 Lian Li GA II Trinity Performance
15:03 Installation and discussion
17:38 Sharkoon S90 White 360
22:10 Installation and discussion
22:57 Silverstone ICEMYST 360 + 420 + IMF70 70mm Fans
28:30 Installation and discussion
30:33 Be Quiet! Pure Loop 2 360 V2
35:31 Installation and discussion
37:00 Enermax LiqMaxFlo 360 AIO
40:55 Installation and discussion
42:06 Valkyrie SYN360
48:01 Installation and discussion
48:36 Cooler and testing details
49:37 Noise output
50:18 100% fans
51:16 40dBA noise normalised
51:52 1400rpm fans
52:39 James thoughts
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Love it but missing some obvious candidates such as NZXT, Arctic and EKWB
Yeah it’s not a comparison of every aio on the market. They already reviewed a lot of the ones you said. James explains it at the start of the video.
Most of those have been covered in previous reviews on our AMD test systems.
We are moving towards testing upcoming coolers on both AMD and Intel test platforms so you will see them compared with these in the future.
It's a huge amount of work getting the test data from just eight coolers so we can't possibly cover everything.
Artic have a new cooler coming out soon, we will cover that, so check back.
Nzxt sucks worth 50 bucks and sold for 200.... lian li performance best of all
@@KitGuruTechDo you know how soon for the new artic cooler?
@@mpw4925lian li performance edition has no rgb and arctic liquid freezer ii performs similarly at a similar price point with rgb so that’s one consideration. Also arctic has affordable 420mm rads if you care about that
Great job. Some interesting ones I wasnt expecting which is great to see
That Lian Li is a thing of beauty (when held in comparison to other all in one water coolers)
James 1 hour review. On a Sunday ! Love it ! ❤
Yeah it’s great
Awesome ❤
Good watch
Loads of detail. Those lian li coolers perform well.
Makes no sense man for you to put the fan speed to 100 but you didn't turn pump to max speed to match which is why all the best performers have much higher pump speed. This test needs a re test
Awesome. Some I haven’t heard of. That SilverStone is brilliant.
Great idea. And focusing on some brands I’ve never used either. 👍🏻
Amazing work James. Very impressed with a mixture of brands you haven’t covered this year.
Thanks 👍
This is a reference kind of video. Thanks.
42:32 I instantly have a great appreciation for the Valkyrie unit… the stickers on the fan are perfectly centered! Color me satisfied!
😂 👍
Thanks for review.
Great job James. Nice to see some other coolers covered that aren’t ’mainstream’. You got a lot of the main ones during the year.
Well at least someone realises this ! thanks for comment !
Fantastic article some interesting AIO I’ve never heard of !
I recently got the EK Nucleus CR360, and i couldn't be happier. It keeps my 5800X3D nice and cool.
Just as my AOI hits 2yo and I'm thinking about upgrading!! ❤ nice.
Wow! That was the EXACT VIDEO that i needed to see! Top Info, no bla bla, short crisp infos, Showcase + Temps/DB. Holy moly! Some of the Big Techtubers could should take some notice here! Awesome work! Subscribed!
Glad it was helpful!
That silverstone one is great
awesome video
Thanks!
Yes. Great resource article !
Thanks!
I love that on a Sunday evening when it's freezing and miserable outside (if you're in the UK that is) you can stay in and watch a review on all in one CPU coolers. Bliss.
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those lian li coolers are the dogs b&lls ! great company in 2023. glad you guys seem to be covering a lot of Lian Li stuff lately
Glad you enjoyed it
great coverage
Ok I’m going to say it. James man. That’s some work load. Love how you normalise some of the tests. Gives some interesting results.
James amazing work man. Just ordered the silverstone for a new rig.
Thanks! Hope it serves you well.
Fantastic bit of work this must have taken a long time to test all this. 😮
It did. 😊
I really like how Lian Li thought about using those covers on the GA II Trinity Performance version, some newer products from their competitors don't have that and I think they should learn. It's just a piece of plastic, but very pleasant. I have bought the SL-Infinity 120-Triple Pack from Lian Li before and those fans are absolutely gorgeous!
Thanks this is very helpful
It must have been a lot of work to put this test together! Really great video full of useful information!!!
What I personally missed was the Fractal Design Lumen/Celsius AIO pair, I think it would have been better suited to the test than the Sharkoon, for example, which can be said to be a no-name in AIO brand.
Anyway, thanks for all your hard work and information! I hope that the AIO test list will continue to expand in the future.
These were just a bunch of coolers that we needed to review before the end of the year, not hand picked.
We have previously reviewed the Fractal Lumen AIOs on the AMD test platform. Make sure you take a look at that video.
Nice! It would actually be really cool to see a bunch of different radiators tested on a custom loop to see how much radiator is really necessary or how much massive overkill actually helps
Interesting idea, seems quite a niche appeal to a small audience however, but thanks for feedback
Had a couple of high end coolers this year and the EKWB Nucleus AiO and Phanteks where the best.
The EK Nucleus is a very good AIO.
Yeah I saw your review. Good cooler.
Thank you for this, I’m getting ready to buy parts for my new pc in the next week.
Always exciting when it's new PC building time 😁
I’ve only ever had a prebuilt before this so it’s really exciting.
I didn't understand his language properly can u suggest me a good liquid coller for my i9 14900k under $360 dollar
I've had the Lian-Li performance since launch and it's great I've made a video showing performance
Very good video, I wish you would make review on the new less known coolers, even some of the budget versions that seem to be popular with some people. So want a lcd cooler or case, but they can be quite pricy and the cooling performance is often not what you would expect. Often times just the simple fan setup without or with RGB does the job just as well or better. The Lian Li is also what I would like, however they are quite pricy due to the brand name and of course the quality.
We added some lesser known coolers into this one from a few brands normally not covered. what brands are you talking about?
Massive effort! Awesome & Amazing!!
Thanks! 😀
Nice reviews. But how are these compare to the Corsair AIOs? i didnt see a single Corsair on the list
Re the Lian Li: Can't seem to find the Performance version(s) anywhere. Not in my country nor from Amazon US, nor on newegg. Did they discontinue that variant already?
KitGuruTech hello, out of all aios you have tried in your videos, which one is the best perfomance wise ?
Would love to see you running these constantly long term to see if there are any issues with reliability as there quite a lot of moving parts compared to an air cooler.
Long term reliability issues with a water cooled setup have always been a worry for me. Leaks were an issue for G5 Macs I seem to recall.
I've used a cheapo Corsair H60 V2 back in the day when AiOs started to become popular. That was on an i5 4670K when that CPU was new, so that's how long ago we're talking. Used that thing for 6 years continually, then the PC it was in sat in storage for over a year. When I disassembled that PC last year, the cooler still had liquid in it and there were no signs of leakage - either on the AiO or anywhere inside the case. I wouldn't use it any longer since the rubber fittings at the end of the hoses had developed cracks/rips, but leakage was not a problem on that thing. And that's on one of the earliest AiOs and one that was around €60 when I bought it. Seeing how most manufacturers will give you a five year warranty, I wouldn't worry too much about any of this stuff.
Should I connect my AIO pump cable to the cpu fan ou cpu opt connector? Does it make any difference?
Asus Rog ryujin III 360 or Lian Li galahad II LCD? which AIO should I buy for my 7950X3D? what is the difference in performance between these two?
The Lian Li GA 2 Trinity Performance doesn't need additional cables to sink with L Connect, - does it through the USB connection.
No but it needs additional cables to be connected to the pump if you want to control fan speed using L-Connect 3.
Hello which one is better between ek nucleus 360mm and ryijun lll 360 mm or maybe theye are a better than this in performance ?
Are you doing all of your tests on an open bench or in a case?
Is Cooler Master MasterLiquid 360 Atmos AIO close to Lian li II lcd Aio on performance?
which one you will pick for 14900k?
Is the Galahad 2 LCD the same as the normal SF trinity just without the screen?
Hello sir, i got arctic liquid cooler 360mm but fans are really loud for me. can you please suggest me a fan that will run quieter and cool better?
An 8 way is good but true greatness could have been achieved with a Peter Griffin style 11 way.
GALAHAD II LCD SL-INF or ROG RYUJIN III 360 ARGB? and
EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 Lux D-RGB or Liquid Freezer II-360 A-RGB or LT720 WH?
Oh man... with this would have gone up two days ago... just ordered a BeQuiet!
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Is this better or master cooler atomos i confused ?
James thanks so much for doing this. Have you also tested the Arctic liquid freezer ii? If so, how does it fare against the lian li aios?
I'm sorry if I missed this but what CPU did you use?
Does the lian li software allow you to set separate fan curves for each fan.
Thanks again for all the hard and time consuming work.
The liquid freezer II will be added to the test data when we complete the switch over to testing on both Intel and AMD platforms.
The Lian Li coolers both outperform the LF2 in raw thermal performance at high fan speed.
I think you can configure fan curves individually with the Lian Li software, however I didn't spend much time familiarising myself with that part of the software as I was restricted by how much time I could spend on each cooler for this video.
@@KitGuruJames thanks. Do you remember the CPU?
@@user-yq5od9uj3f the 13900k
Im here to give kitguru a thumbs up for great content, although i have zero interest in water cooling. Those last 200 MHz which make your power consumption and temp skyrocket for 4 percent more performance just ain't worth it.
Without those last 100 to 200 MHz, most high end CPU drop to 90 W power consumption and can be easily tamed with a 120 mm tower cooler for 30 euro 😊
Would have really liked to have the specs visible for longer on each of the coolers.
Also wish that you’d included AIO’s from EK… I guess that would’ve been the Nucleus if you’re only doing the more recent releases.
Otherwise, thank you for this exhaustive look at AIO’s!
Just hit the pause button to read the specs. and they looked at the EK stuff and reviewed it - did well. James said this is more a look at AIOs they didnt get around to yet before the end of the year.
41:05 Why add paste if there's already paste on the cooler?
Cracking job there and a hugely useful video. Thank goodness Asetek's patent has expired. Just one question: are these products too new for reliability statistics? I mean, we all remember the Enermax Liqtech disaster.
They are all from well known OEM suppliers who have been reliably supplying AIOs to vendors for years, so I wouldn't be too worried about reliability.
Yeah some well known brands here. And some good oem partners. Was surprised however to see such huge differences between the two lian li coolers in regards to oem partners.
so if you swap the fans from the top performer over with the poorest performer fans, would it change the outcome? should they all be tested with the same fans?
what about the core frequency, sometimes hotter is better
Price to performance....DeepCool AIO's are hard to beat!
That Sharkoon looks suspiciously similar to the Cougar Poseidon GT, with the only difference being fans and infinity mirror + branding.
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I have a stock 14900K being cooled by a Nucleus CR360 that never goes above 91C while playing Cyberpunk 2077. Overall, I am super happy with the no-nonsense approach by EKWB. That said, I would love to see a 420MM variant at some point.
EK-Nucleus is a great AIO. Good choice.
Aio showdown for am5 sir? Thank you for doing this, keep it up! Very informative and saves alot of people from spending :)
If you want an AM5 showdown check out our other recent AIO reviews. There are performance charts there with lots of coolers tested on AM5/7950X.
@@KitGuruJamesWill do! Will watch it now :D
James thanks for ur work
I wanna know which cooler is better in performance
Lian li glahad 2 lcd or kraken elite from nzxt ?
Thanks in advance
Galahad II LCD
When I saw the Valkyrie AiO I immediately thought of Biostar Valkyrie, the logos are very similar.
And what is Valkyrie about an AIO anyway.
@@dreschaffhausen5693 I have no idea who or what Valkyrie is...
Anyone know if galahad ii lcd is better than nzxt z73?
I have heard there have been issues with the pump on the Lian Li AIOs, starts rattling after a while? no idea which once as you say the two featured here have different pumps. Any insight? Thanks for posting this very comprehensive comparison!
I've not come across that issue personally. I will try and find out if there has been pump issues. If there has, I am sure Lian Li will be working closely with the OEM supplier to resolve it.
I had the first batch galahad 2 performance , and it died from pump rattle, lian li sent out full replacement aio, no issues so far 3 weeks in.
@methzr33 sorry that happened and I'd only seen one or two reddit posts about it. Glad it's been sorted and fingers crossed the replacement doesn't have the same issue
That enermax performance is a little baffling - it should be better than the 420 variant of the Arctic liquid freezer 2 360 given its the same basic rad but with a 33% faster pump.
Are these results directly comparable to your other videos? I wanted to see how they compare to your previous top coolers like the CR360 and ML 360 Atmos. A shame none of them were included here for reference :/
Keep an eye on my future cooler review as I'll be testing on the intel and AMD platforms, adding some of the previous coolers from the AMD test system for reference. It's a very time consuming job.
I have some data from the EK Nucleus but not final. Let's just say both Lian Li Galahad II coolers would be challenging the EK Nucleus for the top spot.
@@KitGuruJames OK so I should NOT compare your previous results then. Thanks so much for the quick reply! I am getting ready for a new build and your channel is my main source for picking the best cooler.
Thanks again! :)
I have a galahad performance. The pump failed 8 days after installation. Contacted Lian Li and they sent me a new one two weeks later. That on also failed a week later after installation so I switched to an air cooler and it has been great. Lian Li L-connect software is quirky as all heck too. If you buy their stuff I wish you the best of luck.
Weird my mate has had one since it was released and it’s been fine.
Likely a bad batch
@@boltsandbraces6261 i had a galahad when they first came out a few years back, it too had a manufacturing flaw that caused the pump to accumulate with corrosion. They replaced it and I used that one until I bought the Performance. I have also had nothing but issues with their L-Connect software since the first generation (I have used all of their fan series). Each time there was a new software update or bios update something else janky would happen. The issues with the Performance was the final straw. I don't use their hardware anymore.
Where is the EK CR360?
We Want Phanteks Glacier One 360 T30 gen 2...
Sadly the Trinity Performance is impossible to find right now.
They had problems with the model! They are not selling it anymore until they can fix their problems.
Just a heads up with the Galahad II Trinity Performance 360...I have recently had to return one due to a pump failure after 1 month of use. Have since looked online and have seen multiple forum posts from other people with the same problem. Have now gone to the LCD model and am awaiting delivery
You will find that with every new AIO on the market. A certain precent will fail and those people will complain online. How is the LCD model? Any issues with the software? I'm thinking of getting one for my new build.
@@danijelb.3384 still waiting for delivery. There was a mix up with the store during the Christmas break and it was sent elsewhere. Should have it and installed in a week
@@danijelb.3384 except that lian li halted the global delivery of these batches and recalled those units. Theres now revision 3 that is supposedly fixing the pump issue but I have little faith
@@danijelb.3384 the lcd model is great with no software issues as of yet. Has only been in use over the last 2 weeks but temps are looking great with a Max so far of 45C under moderate load. 13700k cpu. I do love lian li as a brand though so not hating on the brand, just telling my experience with a single product
Lian Li GA II LCD 360 Asetek pump? Oh dear, how sad, nevermind. Kudos to companies that recuse themselves and simplify my choosing. Lian Li GA II Trinity I'd have bought BEFORE Lian Li invented Unifans, today NO WAY!. I'll keep an eye on Valkyrie, I quite like the pump aesthetic and with the sd card reader the whole thing looks like something from 10-15 years ago. It'd go well with a Rampage IV Extreme for example (The pages for it updated just last week!). A bit nutty perhaps, but different. To round up, there is NOTHING here I would buy, barring the Syn for a vintage build.
For me this was worth it for the introduction to Valkyrie. It is always good to see new entrants to the DIY PC space. Thanks for the hard work on this one, James. Untidy wiring in this day and age is silly. The LCD 360 shames even Lian Li's own other product, though Trinity does tidy up with those covers, shame about the LCD 360 pump though; I try not to buy stuff from egergiously anti-competive companies with dubious business morals.
Always enjoy reading your comments. Thanks for the input again. 👍
Glad you got something from it Steve !
How do these new waves of coolers stack up to the Arctic Liquid Freezer II family?
In terms of thermal performance a lot of the latest AIOs outperform the Liquid Freezer II but the LF2 is low noise.
However Arctic is working on a new AIO which should be coming soon hopefully.
I can see why that mega expensive Lian lie is so popular.
They aren’t lieing lol.
Id-Cooling sl360? 🤔🤔🤔
All i wana know is are any of these coolers actually better performing than a Arctic Liquid Freezer ii aio?
Yes, both Lian Li cooler will give better raw performance but the Arctic is good when it comes to noise.
I dont know how it affects long term reliability but having the LCD on top of the CPU block really makes it more desirable.
Thank NZXT for that. Have to get their profit margins up on an Asetek aio.
Probably not that much.
Is it better to keep the pump speed on a fixed number or let it be variable? Regarding the durability of the water cooler pump
Personally I keep the pump speed at a fixed rpm in my own systems, usually a few hundred rpm below maximum. But it's fine to have it on a curve too.
How do you vary the pump speed on these?
@@festerleech4952 either by configuring it in the motherboard BIOS or by using the coolers software depending on how the cooler is connected.
How much of a difference is caused by the fans? Would be interested in a standardized fan test
Fans play a big part in the performance of the cooler.
The only problem for me with standardising fans is that it ends up being a review of the fans rather than the cooler as a whole.
Would be interesting to see how long they can keep it together without the fans. Would they end up boiling the coolant?@@KitGuruJames
I found the Lian Li LCD very loud at 3600 RPM so loud in fact it was unusable
The other thing worth mentioning here, is that the Galahad Trinity Performance pumps are known for failure. In fact, Lian Li issued a new V2 to some users, and that also suffered failures. Lian Li made a statement on their subreddit.
Yeah, you cant find them anymore but its nice that they took the guilt on them. I didnt knew they had problems with V2 too, where are they saying this?
@@AexoeroV I'm not talking about the first Galahad, I'm talking about the newer Trinity version.. that has had problems as well. Lian Li then sent out another new one, and people have reported issues with that as well.
Здравствуйте! Вы молодцы, спасибо за обзор:))+++
For me silverstone won the "All in One" award😁
Hello, is the Galahad Performance better than the EK Nucleus 360?
I also have this doubt.
@@Cairam0101 i ended up getting the DeepCool LT720 360 for a 13900K, i got a good deal, 96 euros.
Can I use Noctua NH-U12A Chromax black cpu cooler on a Intel 14700kf in a lian Li O11 air mini case with stock case fans + Asus dual 4070 ? If not what size AIO should I use ( 360mm fits too with small custom brackets ) ? And in same case, same gpu if I go with 7950X what CPU cooler would you recommend ? ❤
I would recommend using a 360mm AIO with either of those coolers if you want to run them with BIOS defaults.
If you plan to adjust power limits then you might be able to use the NH-U12S but you will have to compromise on performance.
@@KitGuruJames stock bios. I'm wondering would 240/280mm AIO do the job too if I choose smaller PC case ? Also.... would I lose a lot performance if I go with 13600kf, and could I cool it with Noctua NH-U12A chromax CPU cooler ? At 1440p 27"inch monitor.
@@antoniocepaj7544a 280 should be ok as long as it's high performance.
i run a 14700k on a NH12A and never reach 70C in gaming or music production at 1400 rpm, if you do video editing it might be a different story tho…
The Silverstone 420mm would be my pick, I like 140mm fans cuz they’re less annoying than 120’s
I just got a 560mm for my GPU loop 😂
Does anybody plan to talk about the massive amount of pump failures on the Galahad II Performance model?
i wonder if that is why I cannot find the Performance for sale anywhere.. :/
@shaolin95 yeah, Lian Li recalled all the inventory from retailers so they can send out an updated version that supposedly corrects the pump rattle issues.
The deepcool LS720 is missing
Most of those have been covered in previous reviews on our AMD test systems. We are moving towards testing upcoming coolers on both AMD and Intel test platforms so you will see them compared with these in the future. It's a huge amount of work getting the test data from just eight coolers so we can't possibly cover everything.
Artic have a new cooler coming out soon, we will cover that, so check back.
Pity there's no Deepcool cos the LT series have been shown to blow the competition away at a great price point
They already reviewed them.
Why arctic Cooling missing?
Most of those have been covered in previous reviews on our AMD test systems. We are moving towards testing upcoming coolers on both AMD and Intel test platforms so you will see them compared with these in the future. It's a huge amount of work getting the test data from just eight coolers so we can't possibly cover everything.
Artic have a new cooler coming out soon, we will cover that, so check back.
enermax liqmaxflo...im still cant believe Underperform...
No artic liquid freezer aio ?.
They already reviewed it
Most of those have been covered in previous reviews on our AMD test systems.
We are moving towards testing upcoming coolers on both AMD and Intel test platforms so you will see them compared with these in the future.
It's a huge amount of work getting the test data from just eight coolers so we can't possibly cover everything.
Artic have a new cooler coming out soon, we will cover that, so check back.
No Arctic?
Most of those have been covered in previous reviews on our AMD test systems.
We are moving towards testing upcoming coolers on both AMD and Intel test platforms so you will see them compared with these in the future.
It's a huge amount of work getting the test data from just eight coolers so we can't possibly cover everything.
Artic have a new cooler coming out soon, we will cover that, so check back.
@@KitGuruTech oh sorry, I will go rewatch the part of the video in which this was mentioned. Because, watching the video felt like none Arctic AIOs were good enough, so they were not used.
Can you do a test where the aios are all tested with the same fans so that we can see how the pumps and radiators of each cooler perform
Maybe in a future video.
where is the arctic??
Reviewed on our channel earlier in the year. if you watch literally the first 30 seconds of this video, its explained.
My Lian Li Galahad II Performance pump broke in under a month.
Yes I heard that the early batch of these could suffer from this issue, did you get it replaced?
@@KitGuruJames Got a full refund as it was 29 days old.
Looked into it it and seems it was due to being run on quiet setting and the impeller rubbing the washer. a v2 is out now. was thinking about the LCD version to replace it as its an Asetek design and not inhouse. ATM have a quick fix of using a Peerless assassin 120. But then noticed Asus have a Tuf LC II 360 coming out and as the rest of my rig is Asus Tuf thought I would wait. Great video btw keep em coming
No Corsair?
I thikn they reviewed quite a few of theirs lately. James said at the start they ended up with a lot of AIO's at end of year and thought they would do a roundup. some good coolers in this, ive seen far too many corsair reviews on kitguru lately tbh !
@@rufusmctavish1164 Big difference to a Review and a Comparison Test....??? Big oversight in my opinion rsulting in a meaningless test considering Corsair AIO's make up a huge, if not the biggest, slice of the market! 👎👎👎
Corsair has not launched any AIOs recently that bring any significant changes to the pump/radiator so we already have plenty of data on the current generation of CoolT OEM coolers from Corsair.
To be honest the last couple of Corsair AIOs that I have reviewed including the H170i Elite LCD have been quite underwhelming in terms of thermal performance.
Why no NZXT AIo's if they are not included then you cannot define if they are compariable in price and performance , i know you have previously covered these but you have to give the consumer all the information even if it is a summary note.
Been reviewed by us previously but the data from them will be collected and added to our future cooler reviews on the Intel 13900K test platform.
I am afraid you will have to hang on a little while for that. Testing this amount of coolers takes a lot of time. It can't all be done in one 8-Way round up video, it's logistically impossible.
no arctic cooling 420?
Did you even watch any of the video ? James explains a lot of things in first 2 minutes.