What NOT To Do With 12th Gen Intel CPUs...
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- čas přidán 24. 05. 2024
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I do some terrible things to an Intel i9 12900k.
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India already has some terrible customer service representative who break the connector off your motherboards when you give your laptops or desktops to them for servicing. They will do everything in your power to make you pay for each and everything for devices out of warranty.
@@roschlynnmichaeldsouza5747 this is why when my G5 SE laptop number keys stopped working and it took way too long for them to toss me around to different departments i just kept it. because everything else worked and the lottery of trash out there for the G5s meant i would most likely get a WORSE refurb or even new G5 in return…. horror stories on these all AMD laptops.
@@mikec5767 Found a fellow G5 SE victim on the internet.
Nooooo what did you say now they are going to do it
just dont mount the cooler, you could probably save 30$ right there
If you add a bad chinese Power Supply, a cheap case with some RGB and a leafblower-GPU you got a perfect prebuild PC ready for sale.
😆😆. So good and true.
Perfect!
I'm just now assembled for own use one with Colorful h610m, Core i7-12700, 64gb CL-22 DDR4 cheap RAM, GAMEMAX chinese PSU and Asus RTX 3090 Turbo.
I am not kidding now.
I can empathise with the poor CPU's nestled snugly in their packaging only to be overcome with terror upon it's opening and Dawids face hovering over them.
I like to think he gives them the smile he has on in the channel's pfp. Terrifying.
What do you mean?
If love to be woken up by that sexy face.
The terror starts when he puts the cooler over you
0:00 Introduction to a terrible plan
0:20 Our amazing sponsor
1:05 Baseline
2:22 Motherboard
4:10 RAM
6:36 Cool moment on cooling
7:40 Crying CPU
8:30 All results
Bruh I read baseline as vaseline ☠️
i remember when my friend bought an 8700k and paired it with the cheapest 50dollar motherboard he could find. but then spent 200dollars on his keyboard alone. make it make sense.
For most people, motherboards are very obscure and it's difficult to the casual consumer to comprehend what makes one better than another, especially if they're not into overclocking.
You know what, having the best keyboard you can afford absolutely makes sense, i can stand behind that.
(typing this on a heavily scuffed up Drevo i got for $15 - not bad really, not terrible at all; well it needed some maintenance because uh previous user had left it in a barely functioning state but that's OK)
@@michaelrusso9809 problem is I know my cpus and gpus, and ram... idk shit about what makes a good mobo, or even what I am looking for if I decide to build a 12th gen pc
If you do not overclock your CPU, and do not use CPU intensive applications, you would not notice much difference between motherboards.
@@jponz85 Watch some of Hardware Unboxed's motherboard roundups on B660/Z690 motherboards, that will give you a good place to start. You might not understand everything they're talking about, but you'll get the gist of which motherboards are decent and which aren't.
Some general stuff to look for:
The cooling. This will be obvious from looking at the board. The more heatsinks there are, and the beefier they are, the better. However, use caution if using a large air cooler like a Noctua DH-15, as heatsinks that are TOO beefy can interfere with its mounting. If you plan on using a higher-end CPU like a 12700k or 12900k, this becomes more important. If you're using a 12100, 12400, or even a 12600k (to some extent), it matters less.
The power delivery, measured in phases. The more the better. Not something you need to worry about too much unless you're overclocking, but something to keep in mind as you compare boards.
The rear I/O options. You'll want to buy something that suits your needs. For example, do you need wi-fi/bluetooth? Do you need more than one or two USB-C ports, or a lot of high-speed USB ports? Do you have a surround sound system that requires a lot of audio ports?
The internal I/O. One thing I often see overlooked is that if your case has a USB-C port on the front I/O, you'll need to connect that to an internal USB-C header if you want that port to be usable. Not all motherboards have such a header. Also keep in mind how many RGB, ARGB, and USB 2.0 headers you'll need. If you're using standard fans without a splitter or fan controller, you'll also need a good amount of fan headers (though, as with (A)RGB headers, getting a splitter is always an option).
How many M.2 NVMe drives you plan to use. Make sure to buy a motherboard that comes with enough slots. Most B660/Z690 motherboards have at least 2 (though some have as many as 5, IIRC), but smaller and lower-quality mini-ITX boards might not.
How many PCIe slots you need. If you're using something like an internal wi-fi card, capture card, or sound card, you might need more than one. Again, most boards come with at least two, but smaller boards might not. Also, keep in mind the spacing between PCIe slots if you plan on using a beefy GPU, as you might be prevented from using the lower PCIe slot if your graphics card is too big.
Your EPS 12v cable connections. Most lower-end boards have 8 pins, which can be provided by most standard power supplies, but some boards have 8+4 or even 8+8. If you're getting such a board, you should also buy a power supply capable of providing those connections. Most of the time, you can boot and function well enough with only 8 pins connected, but I've definitely heard of cases where a build wouldn't POST unless all of the cables were connected. This is also really important if you're overclocking.
DDR4 vs DDR5. You'll need to buy a board that supports the kind of memory you intend to use. For my money, I'd say that DDR4 provides the best value right now, but sooner or later the market will be transitioning to DDR5 exclusively, so bear that in mind as you consider the longevity of the system.
Finally, the brand. The brand determines everything from what kind of customer support you can expect, to what the RMA process will be like if something happens, to the usability and user-friendliness of the BIOS, to the general quality. This is a subjective category. For me personally, I rank ASUS near the top and ASrock near the bottom (I have an ASrock motherboard and would not recommend getting one). But some people have a bad experience (or experiences) with an ASUS product and swear off them forever, and some people have nothing but good experiences with ASrock. I'd do a bit of research here. Look up professional reviews of the motherboard(s) you're looking at, as well as regular customer reviews, and poke around on the brand's subreddit to see what their customer service might be like.
It's possible that the air cooler being a downdraft design gave the vrm some cooling, which helps performance as we saw earlier.
U think those little heatsinks that stick on would help iv been thinking about doing that to my mb there usually pretty cheap
@@Durkhead yes but if your brave use thermal cement instead of the sticky pads. It’s amazing what even a small heat sink can do.
Today I learned a lot about hardware optimization in the most unoptimized way possible! Thanks Dawid!
Interesting, usually we hear that Ryzen needs fast RAM but Intel isn't so sensitive, this video shows the new Intel generation looks very susceptible to what RAM is being used...& as always good fun with Dawid :)
@@DCookStaVideo That was only really an issue with 1000 series, the memory controller wasn't good at all. Memory stability was vastly improved with each new iteration. I can throw literally any DDR4 kit at my 3600 and my 5800x without any instability. I even got a 3000 MHz kit stable at 3600 MHz.
To be fair, too many variables were introduced. I would have liked everything to remain the same and just lower the ram speed.
@@Dee-tc7lo I've got a R5 3600 and had to downclock my 3200MHz kit to 2666MHz (though might be able to improve it). Apparently using 4 DIMMs total reduces performance, but I need the RAM capacity.
Missed an opportunity to stick a "This is fine" meme when the i9 was running on solarium temperature.
I'm guessing "Don't stick it in your ear"
Sometimes, just before I fall asleep, I can hear you in my head saying "Linooodeee!"
be happy, mine is still the early austin one!
I just love how Dawid does nothing like other mainstream tech channels. Pure gold.
Watching Dawid reduce a system to 1 stick of ram on purpose. I feel like I need to shower now
Other computer content creators putting their pcs in cases
Dawid: Whats a case? 😂
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Ahhh...Dawid saying "Linode". I didn't realize how much I was missing that. Like chicken soup for my soooooooul
ASUS... where the word 'Prime' means 'entry level'. Lol. I'd love to see the final step be disabling the P cores and running only on E's...
no, no, that would potentially solve all the problems since the e cores are still fast enough for medium gaming but they're efficient enough to not overload the vrm or cpu cooler, so - it might even run better
I would have liked to have tested the "Dell" configuration with the expensive motherboard.
As much as this is mostly a vid for entertainment, it's also a great demonstration of common mistakes people make which will handicap performance! Genius as always, Dawid. ;)
The prebuilt industry commits almost every mistake on Dawid's arsenal of stupid noob errors. Kinda sad, really.
Definitely didn't expect to see this concept ever done in a video. But well done, you entertained the whole way through dude!
@6:09 You have one beast of a 1080p gaming rig from 2013 there. Almost 60FPS!
Higher numbers are better anyway so I guess 100°C is fine! 😆
Linode really should thank Dawid with some more support and sponsorship, he made them a net meme.
On motherboards without VRM heatsinks, it's possible to just add some on by sticking some aluminium heatsink fins on with some thin thermal pads.
You manage to make a very informative video that is interesting and entertaining at the same time and do something the serious tech tubers don’t. I love these kinds of videos
Great video as always Dawid though I can't help but feel for that poor i9.
Great video Dawid I was surprised too how well it was running with that stock amd cooler
"Now we've got the full-blown Dell configuration..."
LOL! This is too funny!
Thank you. this video gave me more information about parts needed than 5 years of watching tech_tubers and peoples personal opinion on reddit and other platforms. Dankie Dawid. Jou yster!!!
some cheap coolers come with an intel to am4 bracket (not sure if they come with LGA 1700 compatibility) but maybe that might be useful to you.
Oh I love it Dawid!!
I have to figure out why ny 5900X is staying at 80C using a Vetroo U6 Pro air cooler. Maybe I need that 2nd exhaust fan u had running before.
Very interesting and well tought approach. I learned a lot 😁
8:42 I think it will throttle pretty hard if you go back to dual channel at XMP speed but keep the cooler. That's the average Dell user experience
Battlefield is NOT the title to test low ram speeds with
Hey Dawid, love your videos but I think that some of your test results might appear more clearly at a glance if you used some type of bar graph to compare the avg frame rates and 1% lows :)
Haha can always rely on this channel to bring me funny ideas regarding pc building, rather than just another this is how powerful this thing is. Thanks!
I enjoy all of your videos, but this one made me laugh much more than usual! Keep up the great content!
Dr Dawid's troubleshooting tips:
If your VRMs are overheating then implement the "prebuilt simulator". 🤪👍
Huuurrraaaah, it's Linoooooooode! BTW it was the fan on top of that hogged out block of aluminum that cooled the power stages that defeated the last of your CPU abuses.
The first thing that came to my mind when you put a fan on the vrm is what happens when you put those small videocard memory heatsinks we used back in the day on them ?
Love that prebuilt value - e.g. high end components knee capped
Part two with disabling cores and changing GPU+outdated drivers. There's so much I can think of to really have fun with this
This is an awesome video, Dawid! These types of videos are exactly whey I keep coming back for ALL your content! That said I have a question for you (not that you will likely read or respond, but maybe I will get lucky): If you had to build a computer today, and you were currently on a 7700k/1080Ti build you are upgrading from, which would you choose to go with?
(A) 12900k/3080FTW3 12GB/32GB DDR5 DomPlat 5600 cl36
(B) 5900X/3080FTW3 12GB/32GB DR4 DomPlat 3200 cl16
Of course you COULD just wait until new CPUs launch in the near future, but if you had to build TODAY and the money wasn't really an issue, which build would you favor? I honestly cant decide...
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Either of those would be a beast of a machine. Honestly it really depends on if it's primary for gaming or if you'll be doing any streaming, video editing, etc. If it's just gaming I'd go with the Intel CPU. If your streaming or editing also then I'd go with the Ryzen as its better at multi tasking those things.
If you are wanting future compatibility, go DDR5. The 3xtra memory speed afforded will also help performance. The glory of Alder Lake processors.
@@Joreel Gaming, video editing and streaming mainly.
@@GDRS_Marc Can you elaborate why Intel over Ryzen? Its mainly going to be gaming, streaming and video editing.
liked the video even before watching it, that's how confident i am in dawid
Down blowing air cooler cools the VRM, that's why it's working better. I suspect that is why all the 'stock' air coolers blow down, to help cheap mobo's VRM not melt a hole in the PCB.
About the RAM 320hz vs 2133mhz not changing the 1% lows: could be that the timings of them are basically identical speed at the end which results into that result. I'm not quite sure at the moment, but if you just dropped the frequency but you're still using XMP, then you should be using the better timings the RAM this kit comes with on their XMP profiles
You're commentary is legendary!!
When arranging a motherboard on a box with an AIO, make sure the pump/heatsink is below the waterline to avoid air pockets in the pump/heatsink.
Great video Dawid.
was not expecting those results with the fan cooler XD
With the AIO the VRM is left on its own, but with the measly air cooler, the downdraft air is atleast helping the vrm thats why the performance is a bit higher.
Everyone else flees the jank, Dawid embraces the jank. Life is jank. Jank is life.
Makes me wonder if the prebuilt manufacturers purposely put single channel ram so that the power delivery doesn't cook itself considering most of them don't have VRM heatsinks lmao
Seeing Dawid "twist in" the CPU cooler was painful :) good job
Dawid, an idea for another vid, how about try to test different ram sticks, those that vary in color from green, blue and black, specifically ddr3 ram
I don't know why Linode even bothers to pay for a spot, I hear their name in my head in Dawids signature tone before every sponsor spot.
Great video man :)
Thank you for this video. Whenever I build a budget system for a Client(part time hobby / pocket change) I have been going with 10th Gen Intel 10100f, 10105f, 10400f, whatever happens to fit the build and is the best value at the time, I have been sticking with the Asus TUF MATX board which is roughly 140$ US. Whenever I send the parts lists I always get the question of why is the motherboard so expensive, you could go with X for 40 or 50 less... the boards they reference never have built in wifi, are limited 2400-2933 ram speeds, and have no VRM cooling. Normally I can explain it and get them on board but there is always that 1 guy who knows that they are basically the same thing one just looks cooler... I will send them this video from now on.
Actually, if you use i3 or i5-10400f you could use cheapest boards available because CPUs in question do not really benefit much from VRM cooling and WiFi dongles are cheap. To benefit from more expensive boards you would need higher end components , both CPU and GPU.
@@aleksazunjic9672 I get the slightly better board for the XMP compatibility and Wi-Fi 6(35-45 dollar dongle)and I have yet to have one of these show up DOA. I have had to return multiple bottom tier boards that showed up DOA and have had several fizzle out early. Getting the MATX is the compromise to keep pricing reasonable. Spending 40 or 50 extra in this area gets a lot of performance per dollar.
@@RegazozoGaming WiFi on motherboards are usually of very low quality, most people do not need Wi-Fi 6 , as for quality that depends what do you do with board. If you put them in a case with bad airflow, and insufficient power supply they tend to break. In real life budget boards with components that are not overclocked tend to last longer than medium, or even high-end boards that are put to their limits.
I recently built a 12900k system for myself. Got a Kingston DDR5 5600mhz memory kit. It's fast as hell. Happy I did not go with DDR4.
it performs the same with proper ddr4 and mobo, as its been tested multiple times, but, sure ddr5 5600>ddr4 3200-3600.. issue is, 500$ vs 100$ on ram for about 0 to 2% bonus
Dawid's Prebuild Simulator 2022!
This hilarious. This to me, is one of the funniest things ive seen for a while. Just the random pc shamefull build cracks me up.
Finally a linode ad! I’ve missed it so much
Welcome to Dawid does tech torture!
Such a relief to see a Linode sponsorship again.
I know right 😂
First thought from the Title-Oh, No. What have you done Dawid.
When you pulled out that old Athlon cooler, I called you an evil genius.
The fact that the CPU is just not doing anything to prevent itself form self combusting is actually kinda scarry. Imagine newby builders with a CPU like this that have no experience what so ever and do not even check the temps as long as it is working "fine"". We are gonna have a CPU running at 100C like a freaking stove like there is absolutely nothing wrong...
I'm showing this video to my 12900k so it will be a good little CPU or it's gets the Dawid treatment. It's in a good home with a Z690 board and DDR5 and the same Corsair AIO.
Dawid please do a video on resozeable bar settings in bios and IF it actually makes any noticeable difference at all?!?!
A very interesting scientific study here and glad to see Professor Dawid showing his expertise in performance efficacy 👍🤯
Googled 'how to build a PC in 2022' and ended up here.
Wish me luck!
@@oGian_ Where do the severed limbs go? M.2 slot?
@@RenegadePandaZ ye
The cooler propably does not really matter because the CPU is stalling quite a bit to get any data to work at all.
That Athlon cooler probably wouldn’t have suffered that badly, I mean it is in the “avoid thermal throttling by single channel memory strategy” from the MSI prebuilt
This video was halarious. Thanks dawid.
Gravity may be socket agnostic, but the power delivery appreciated a bit of fan blow ...
NZXT: "Hey man, I heard you like plastic shrouds. So I... "
Linode is legendary! Loved the video as well haha
Haha, that was excellent! Trying to run a 12900K on a crappy Athlon stock cooler! How that did not throttle even worse, I do not know.
When I go for a 13900k or 14900k, I will get a nice MB and RAM, though I might be limited in the latter as, even with a B450 build, I still have to run the RAM downclocked from 3200MHz in order to get good stability in game!
dawid your vids are amazing your by far the funniest best tech ytber to ever exist keep making videos it makes my day
The Full "Dell" configuration is my fave.
I think the aphorism "give it a decent memory configuration or you're going to pay the pricer" is platform agnostic. But I still found it to be a very fun video -- despite expecting to see you drop in a GT 710 at the end, just for kicks.
I think the comparison between different speeds is not quite fair in this one because of the memory capacity being halved. As is seen in the video, bf5 uses ~12gb out of the 16gb of ram. When you decrease the total memory to 8 gb, it is bottlenecked by the capacity (as seen, it takes ~7.5 gb which is full assuming windows and other stuff takes memory too) and having to read/write from pagefile, which is slower.
I think you should do a test with 2 kits of memory with the same size and different speeds to see how 12th gen really fairs with different speeds! (maybe even single channel vs dual channel but of the same capacity)
👽 Mate you almost get it, but perhaps more interesting test would be the same test but also with the timings tightened as much as possible. 👽
NZXT: Dawid we are sending you a board for a video so please don't hurt it
Dawid: ok yeah that's fine
...
3 minutes into video swaps it out.
basic premise is if you have something nice don't show it to Dawid or he will find a way to kneecap the snot out of it and return it to you with possibly Elmer disease
love the content, keep it up :)
Results are actually not surprising. First of all, K series of CPUs are actually designed (binned actually) to be overclocked and run hot. Now, if you hobble them with low frequency single-channel RAM, they would actually idle for most of the time, waiting for other components. If you put non-adequate Athlon cooler they would heat up, maybe throttle a bit at highest temperature, but would still idle about the same. If you put them on low-end MB with otherwise good RAM and GPU, power delivery of said motherboard would be a limiting factor and cause for throttling. Overall, you don not "torture" CPU with low-end components, you only make it wait for them and then it runs slower but uses less power.
that was fun. im running 12700k and love it. but im running ddr4 3800mhz CL 15-16-16-32
i was hoping for some cl changes, i have no idea how much of an impact timings make for the 12th gen, maybe for a future video??
This was amazing I loved it 😂
I knew Dawid would eventually use an old Athlon cooler on an Intel CPU just like I did. Though, I did ziptie mine on for extra jankiness.
I lost the track after NZXT mobo, try to keep the stats in tabular form next time. Good luck 🤞
Would actually be REALLY interested to see how much a lower 12th gen is affected. A 12400 or something? Even a 12600k.
Maybe see what happens if you turn off some cores on the 12900k to simulate a different chip?
Mainly to test something like memory bandwidth effects on core #. Is the 12900k more susceptible to poor memory due to sharing among more cores?
If you were to turn off other cores its still a higher binned version
Pause Hahahah kneecapping that got me in a good way...lol
This is for the first time i see the "Baseline" benchmark score being top of the line ...😂
*Why the small COOLER helped...*
I guess DAWID forgot about the AIR FLOW helping to keep the power delivery from overheating and forcing the CPU to throttle? The CPU heats up but the power delivery is cooler relative to the AIO.
7:50 it may be due to the fact that MOSFETs have lower internal resistance at higher temperature. I know Intel sapphire rapids have similar behavior - they have slightly higher performance at higher core temperature
Mostly because this particular CPU was binned to be overclocked, i.e. work at around 100 C.
It's normal for the PC not to boot if you clock RAM too high. I had never heard of it not booting if you clock it too _low._
POV: Dawid comes over to your house for a sleep over and you fall asleep first.
The next day, "Just last night this PC was running smoothly, any idea why I'm barely getting 60FPS and the CPU is pegged at 100c all of the sudden?"
Mount a copper plate in the form of like a bowl onto it, and cook on the copper bowl that's connected to that 12900K
I think the 1% lows might be more effected by the RAM capacity over RAM speed?
guessing the 100 degrees wasnt hurting fps any due to how little it was getting used with either cooler just to get the 60fps with the majoyly kneecapped ram
Get this man a test bench!
Good video. For your next video, how about this idea ....
Take that 3600 Mhz memory, underclock it while also lowering timings and re-test.
5:40 Was it really the memory bandwidth or more likely the amount of RAM? Because it was only 8 gigs.
Bruh. I am using that loser h610m-E, with i-5 12400 with (upgraded) rtx 3060 differents.
No stuttering, or maybe becouse I get used to it, ( owner since gt 730 ).
But yeah, I really need to change mobo...