TINY Intel PC Comes With RTX Muscle
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I always find myself holding my breath, hoping he doesn't irrevocably break something during the teardown.
Is he related to Linus?
You know he gets a lot of this stuff for free and as such probably doesn't overly care if he breaks it.
I have faith 😂 if I can do it, Dawid certainly can
As long as there are no ribbon cables, David is probably fine....maybe....
I suspect the video is usually out of order with the test portion filmed prior to the teardown just in case.
Whenever Linode sponsors someone who isn't Dawid I get confused.
It has to be either Dawid or Craft Computing
I typically skip all sponsor-based ads because they're dull - but not Dawid's - they're their own event.
Yeah. When other CZcamsrs say just linode… it sounds so weak and underwhelming.
I think there’s an alternate universe where Dawid is the Linode CEO
linooode
The NUCs have been pretty cool, especially the higher end ones
Yeah but price wise the higher ones don't justify their price.
The are very good, but the price is what's makes them not popular
They're shit value.
@@bootchoo96 yes, being able to build a 3080 system with a i7/ryzen7 for the same cost kinda killed it for many lol
I grabbed a 4th gen one a few years back and mounted it on a cheap LCD panel in my garage to run Ubuntu and Spotify while out there working on projects / whatever and the thing has been a champ.
Got to love the creative and painstaking ways mini PCs are constructed.
Always a fun to deconstruct. Even better when a tutorial effortless does it while nothing comes apart for you.
do you have some RTX inside you?
The fps dropped after turning DLSS on 💀
Dlss and fsr doesn't help cpu bottlenecks, if anything it adds more burden to the cpu, hence worse fps
He was in a different area in the game tho so maybe that's why
@@Deus-X That does play a role, but yeah, not even DLSS can over come a weak CPU.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff i guess some people cant read/understand afterburner
One thing I've learned about watching an online teardown, is the first time something is taken apart is always the hardest. Most teardown tutorials are being done on a product that has already been broken down at least once before.
This is the way I like to start a Saturday...watching a new video of Dawid! Thanks man
"This is the way."
just ordered parts for a new pc and just watching this makes me think about it and with the parts being better it makes me feel so giddy like a child at christmas, exited for the build and the great performance
Dawid, you could try using throttlestop to bump up the CPU performance by a bit, its got many useful settings in there such as voltage control, TDP control and even freq control if your CPU allows it
Intel mobile cpus don't allow any of that, only k skew desktop cpus do when it comes to intel
@@dilutedoxygenit depends on the CPU. I have a 1235U laptop which allows some control.
@@dilutedoxygen Throttlestop is different to general overlocking tbh, Throttlestop allowed me to undervolt my i7-8750H and force consistent 3.4GHz clocks when running benchmarks and such, compared to the stock 2 cores at 4.2 or whatever 2 cores at 4.0 or whatever and another 2 cores at 3.8 or whatever. Yes you can't "overclock" these laptop chips but I know that undervolting can help with reducing temperatures, changing turbo freuqency times like you can in XTU and performing undervolts to get a stable clock speed and better performance. I don't have that i7-8750H anymore as the GPU fried to death so haven't used it for a couple of months. Maybe I'm wrong and hey that's ok. Btw you are correct that overclocking is usually only limited to desktop K CPU's like my i7-9700K but I think the original commentor was trying to get across a different point?
When this NUC came out it was seriously interesting and at the time even a bit compelling. Frankly with all the shortages at the time being able to buy something was great. These kinds of computers are underappreciated. Small form factor computers can make great office computers and one that's capable of doing more than basic word processing is a luxury. Yeah the processor just having 4 cores is a bit odd but it's enough as well.
Awesomesauce video, Dawid! Those NUCs sure are power hungry.
Idea for ya, see how long you can drain a cheap UPS battery on the MSI PC you got.
Always been amazed by those little powerhouse PCs
This is the only channel whose ad spots are so entertaining that I don't skip them.
Honestly that little guy held up much better than I thought it would 😂
Why not? It is essentially a mid-tier gaming laptop from 2 years ago without the screen and keyboard. Otherwise, with this thing being from Intel, I find it ironic it comes with Nvidia and not some variant of the Arc
i have the same cpu on my laptop. In this it has a beefy cooler and now imagine it on a super thin laptop...
@@djnjoy This is the last generation one (which is the most boring of the dGPU ones), the current one is the ARC model.
The interesting one is the first one, which had _AMD Vega graphics built into/alongside the CPU._
That’s what she said
And it can perform much better if the TDP is increased ("Power" tab in the bios). He completely missed that.
I got a 6i7KYB a few years ago and while I've never tried to game on it, it runs this YT video like a champ and is also my remote access/home media server machine. $250 and it came with 32GB of ddr4 2400 and a 1tb sata m.2, been an absolutely fantastic little machine.
The entire reason the temperatures are good is only because the TDP is kneecapped. Any laptop CPU from the last few years NOT hitting 100c means you're wasting performance, this system would be so much faster if the CPU it's TDP was something like 60w instead of the pitiful 30w. Most gaming laptops will run the CPU between 45-80w.
Great video! I just noticed I enjoyed previously when they were a bit longer (15 minutes plus)
Nice. I wasn't expecting that level of VD on the installation.
That's just windows 11 version of instant apps. They each take up 8Kb and aren't really installed until you try to open them. I tried to do a clean install without any of that stuff by using the "N" package install. It ended up taking me a lot more time to and was much more of a headache to install all the missing directX and other drivers than simply removing those shortcuts from the start menu.
@@mitch7525 ya tried tiny11? (A custom, completely unbloated version of windows)
@@STORMFIRE07 Tiny 11 seriously lacks security-wise and is not recommended for someone using it as a main OS.
@@Weaselszone interesting, didn’t knew that, thanks for info
Some real thought put into the making of this one it seems. Really cool to see! Super compact little pc and somehow they still get it to be super easy to upgrade (where the heat pipes where you can’t change anything anyway). And add some aesthetic stuff as well with the light.
Does seem though that they forgot about the power brick and some random poor intern made that one 😅. Would be nice if that was a lot smaller. Especially with how small they are getting lately. Have a 140 watt brick that fits in my hand easily. This one could kill a rinoh xd
The smaller the power brick the more heat and stress on the components. While a larger size power brick does not necessarily translate to it being more reliable, I'd be more inclined to expect it to last longer and/or not try to burn me if I needed to move it shortly after heavy use.
@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 the 140 watt one i have is from apple. Their macbook pro chargers come with very small bricks for the power they provide. They dont get crazy hot either. Not more then id expect at least. And there is ones from anker for example that are even smaller. They are all good quality. Ofc though be more sceptical if its a sketchy brand.
@@xanderwusky3001 I didn't say that smaller power bricks couldn't be relatively cool to the touch or high quality. But making them that way usually requires much more expensive components and more clever design, neither of which are cheap. And I suspect that the NUC market is significantly smaller than that served by Macbooks or third-party power brick suppliers, so the justification for making the power brick more expensive is correspondingly smaller.
Love it when he does anything small form factor.
i feel the size of the psu might be due to keeping it cooler for long term usage where a laptop charger wouldn't be used for long term sessions all the time. should take them apart and see the inside of the PSUs and how they are built.
You can try to overclock with ThrottleStop, but I doubt it because my old i7 1065G7 would only allow underclocking and undervolting. However it did allow unlocking the turbo boost timers.
The TDP can be upped using the "power" tab in the Bios. Crazy he missed that.
There should have been a NUC-specific tuning application preinstalled that would allow you to set it into a higher performance mode. I have the same one, only with Windows 10.
Ok I watch the tutorial that Dawid watched and I can safely say I have never seen someone tear down a small form factory pc with such ease in my life.
I wonder if putting a different SSD would help somewhat, I always have stutters and such on my intel SSDs, just something to ponder lol great video as usual
The video clearly shows the cpu is the problem. 4 cores just doesn't cut it anymore.
i have the same one i mostly use it for streaming on twitch and fallout nv and witcher 3 runs really good on it skyrim runs great too even with almost 300 gigs of mods mostly texture mods
It looks exactly the same as my NUC Hades Canyon, (which incidentally has a strange Intel/AMD collaboration GPU), which was light years ahead of any SFF gpu at the time, and still is very good and will play AAA games. The only real difference i can see is the 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports i have in the Hades Canyon have been replaced with T4, the bios and power brick even looks the same. The internals look different, and mine is far more easy to access.
Mine came as a barebones unit which i put 32gb of ram and a 1tb nvme, the processor is an i7-8075g and the GPU is a Radeon RX Vega M GL, its still great to use and i intend to keep it.
You're right, that's really the only difference between the phantom canyon and the hades canyon. Having owned both, however, I can confirm the phantom canyon is significantly more quiet at full load then the hades canyon model.
@@kurtisrinker1202 Thank you both for your comments. I didn't know that the phantom canyon looks exactly the same as the hades canyon. It's good to know that the phantom canyon is quieter as weighs heavily on my calculus when buying those things.
Do you guys think that this can be easily transported? I am looking for a lightweight yet powerful pc to use when going on longer trips and those nucs seem to fit the bill.
you're one of the few channels where I don't skip the ads. Linooooooooooode
*In fact those CPUs are only supported by older versions of XTU*
In my past, I have worked as a consultant on big IT projects and I once bought 150 of these NUCs for one of my clients. They are good reliable products
The power brick is larger to better handle continued use @ full output/duty cycle.
Maybe ask questions if you don't understand engineering.
I use one of that Nuc with a RTX 3080Ti Razer Core X Chroma eGPU, works flawlessly
I am never sure when Dawid is being serious or sarcastic. Haha, it's always guess work!! This is such a cool pc.
"that's so small" that's what-
My lawyer suggested me to not complete the sentence
That's what she said
@@jagadishk4513 There is no evidence for those words ever having been spoken, thus it is as well they had not. That's what his lawyer confirmed.
While overclocking is out you might be able to get that little cpu boosting higher with some undervolting
I use my nuc phantom as an emulation arcade machine with the small form factor. I even use sinden light guns
Relatable. I have a laptop with 16GB ram, GTX 1070 and i7700HQ (4 cores, 8 threads @2.8GHz base clock up to 3.8GHz boost clock) and the i7 seems to struggle a bit in cpu intensive titles like cyberpunk. Wish I could overlock it, but even if it was capable of doing so, it gets hottt and I mean like 80-90C°
Linode is a household name at this point, if i had something that needed something like it id defenitely use it
it looks like its the clockspeed that is the problem.
with how it was sitting close to 30 watts the entire time, i suspect its being done via a power limit to reduce temperatures, which can also be slightly increased using throttlestop. the cooling on this is good enough that i believe you could give the cpu another 10 watts and it should be able to cool it fine.
ive increased the power limit on my 15 watt i5-8250u to 22 watts, tricked the cpu into "reducing" the power limit after the turbo time has finished down to 22 watts and done some undervolting to allow the cpu to do more in that power limit and drastically improve performance in games (with the igpu), i even gained a thousand points in cinebench r23 over the stock voltages, power limit and turbo time limit.
Maybe pushing to 1440p would help the cpu bottleneck
i was wondering why he didnt test that lol
It would absolutely help the CPU bottleneck, but only if the 2060 could actually play games at 1440p over 60fps. I guess DLSS could help balance things out, but I think I'd just rather look for a version of the Nuc with a 12th gen and a 3060ti inside or something.
Cool stuff :]
Impressive performance.
This has to be a better option than most laptops. As no price was mentioned I guess what you save on electricity you lose & then some in the premium price for the NUC.
I still have my 4th gen nuc from 2014, still serves me well
Love your content Dawid.
I'd buy one of these, I can see plenty of uses for it.
You had me with the box.
Given that about the heaviest game I play is Skyrim or Fallout 4, I'd love to have a mini-PC like these (or the Beelinks or whatever) in place of the mid-tower (an ancient Antec Three Hundred) on my desk...
Can you replace the CPU and GPU of this? wondering if mini PCs are upgradable just like desktops. I only own a laptop so these things are new to me.
Far more impressive cooling than my old Alienware Alpha.
I really love these mini PCs, they have to have efficient compact cooling solutions and it looks good.
It also makes me feel better about Desktop PCs, because you see, these GPUs and CPUs work fine even at high temperatures, now imagine how good 50 C load on a CPU on desktop is compared to that, really nice. (I still despise laptops)
I wish dawid could voice over LTT segues whenever linode has a sponsor.
I love a product that is packaged in an interesting way. It makes me much more excited to use it
I still got an older Brother of that NUC - Hades Canyon unit.
The one with i7-8809G… only Intel mixed with Vega Mobile gpu :S
Shocked how well that performed
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I did development on a NUC. Nice machine. I’d buy one, except I have too many computers.
For its size I think it does a pretty good job.
very nice, have been looking at getting these Dawid, why dont you try out the old alienware steam machines? would love to see how those hold up
I think a Steam Deck would outperform those at this point.
@@MarginalSC maybe would still be cool to see
@Kaneeso Yeah. Most were just pretty average new tho. So I don't expect much.
@@MarginalSC yeah i had the gtx 960 variant i rememebr it being great for minecraft and csgo which was pretty much all i played at the time
I'm still using a 2060 and to be honest, it's a pretty good card. It seems to play everything reasonably well.
Yhea, I'm pretty sure this one had a mobile rtx 2060.
I still use RX470 and it plays Cyberpank well (anyway I have no other options)
I’m using a 1070 and still runs everything
That is a nice power brick with complementary PC.
using a app called universal x86 tuning utility you can turn up how many watts the cpu can draw.
NUC´s are great for small form factor builds. I read you can have new ones with a 13900, but it probably needs a seperate case for the RTX4090 and another case for the custom watercooling/ radiators :)
2:06 Like my new laptop, advertised as thinner and lighter but it comes with a massive 330W powerbrick you could hurt people with :)
the higher end NUC's are a bit bigger , still smaller than a tower PC.
I have this pc and oh my God do I love it. Powerful, smoll and customizable.
Hi, enjoyed the video. Which Intel NUC is this? thanks!
This is like the perfect midpoint between a laptop and an actual PC.
Would have been cool to have a link to the unit that you bought and a comment about the price.
Perhaps some undervolting on the CPU could help getting a little less GPU bottleneck by using Throttlestop? Because it seems to be power limited.
I picked up one of these during the prior Black Friday sales event. Got it for a great discount. So far, it's been great!!!
The CPU bottleneck is strange there imo esp in Cyberpunk. The 11th gen CPU was still clocked at 3.9ghz the whole time there...
With windows 11 gaming, 16gb of ram will definitely hurt your performance. 24-32gb is what I'd personally recommend for gaming on windows 11. When I upgraded my ram from 16 to 32gb, at the same speed, I got another 25fps, running a Ryzen 5 3600, and rx 6600
I have been running this NUC for several months now. Is great for what I am doing. Use it as a general purpose and gaming pc. Decided to pull the trigger on a NUC 11 extreme (Beast Canyon) based on my experience with this system. Will still use this as base/primary PC, the new one will become my new gaming box. Intend to use RTX 4070 in the Beast Canyon, max out the RAM and upgrade the cooling with better, quiter fans. Considering everything the NUC 11 Enthusiast is a great system.
BTW, I hate the skull logo. Very cheap and amateurish. Should have been a radiation trefoil for a NUC.
Linode needs a desktop app where it has Dawid saying “Linooooode” as the startup sound
Dawid finally got me with his sarcasm for a quick second with that ESPN "idunnowhatitis" remark
7:51 whats the benchmark or the thingy called where you see stuttering, fps, usage of components etc.?
Don't know if this is the case, but I couldn't install Intel XTU on my laptop, until I tried to install old release of it, then it worked perfectly fine.
try using throttlestop it has many features such as removing power limit whic may help the poor cpu
where is the link to buy the jawn lol most people include it in the video
have you tried to increase the p1 power limit with throttlestop?
@Dawid Does Tech Stuff Whats that Benchmark software i see left top screen ??
Nice video what about the "serpent" one in direct comparison with iArc770M. ?
0:01 GET IN THEM GUTS DAWID!
You can use ThrottleStop to overclock laptop SKUs!
This do me think about Intel nuc with amd igp
Model number (NUC8i7HVK)
Core i7-8809G with Radeon RX Vega M
Beast of a machine in that time .
Easy out performance the nvidia 1050ti in that time.
I was wincing watching the opening, thought we ain't gonna see no gaming on this 😂😂 to be honest i was pleasantly surprised with it's performance. No idea on the price tag but packs a punch for such a little machine
Id love for you to test the NUC12 which has say a 12700 with an A770
Love how you end your vids. “So anyway the overclock don’t work KTHX BYE” 😸😸
Came for Linode stayed for Dawid
I also have the i7 1165g7. I kinda wanted to undervolt it a bit so that my puny singular laptop fan doesn't struggle too much. I tried using the latest drivers and anything but xtu just didn't work. Pretty disappointed that a literal i7 doesn't want to be tweaked whatsoever. Unlike its previous gens.
I like your music choice, gives it some men's DIY home improvement vibes.
Looks like the peer pressure worked and you bought a kilowatt meter. Joking aside it's very helpful you showed the power draw.
I've been using NUC ('Nuke') PCs for years. One is my desktop PC at work :)
FYI - You're running BIOS 068 on that system which is old. Upgrade to 072 ;)
It's so small...but it gets the job done.
I'm STILL daily driving the Hades Canyon NUC, never had a problem with it
Gotta love how to power brick is basically the size of the PC itself. That's honestly quite impressive.
power bricks are super behind on tech. they need to move to GaN for everyones benefit, smaller and more efficient
@@bradhaines3142 money
do a video on the GT 440
1:57
So when I attach my NUC on the back of my monitor, I'll lean the monitor against a wall because I don't have a stand anymore?
How well do you think the NUC would do for 4k media streaming? No gaming just streaming UFC, netflix, things of that sort
don't we just love linode its in about 90% of his videos
Try using throttlestop and raise the turbo power limit and time
It’s worth picking up as a NUC gaming Computer.