Intel's 12th Gen E-Core Gaming Is Surprising!
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- čas přidán 23. 11. 2021
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I try to do some gaming on Intel's new E-cores and I was surprised at how well they worked.
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E-Cores have been designed by Intel specifically to handle all the bloatware included with Dell PC's.
Fr tho lol
I have no proof but also no doubts.
Haha!! They should have called them bloatware cores. 😂
This is a good one lol, never laugh so hard in my life.
Those will probably ship with the CPUs without e cores(i3 12100, i5 12400, etc) lol
8:10 This is a well known quirk of GTA V's engine, which Gamers Nexus discovered years ago. When you hit a certain fps threshold (187.5 fps IIRC), it causes major stuttering. If you cap the game to 180 fps using RTSS, the P cores will Hulk smash the E cores.
Oh... shit... i never found a solution to that... Thanks man!
This! it makes it a pain in the ass to benchmark properly due to having to limit it
@@The117th yeah you cant once you break the game from all ur fps
I guess this is why you always benchmark multiple games.
I guess when rockstar originally coded it for the PS3 they never thought people would be trying to run the game at over 180fps 😂
Other CZcamsrs: “I’m going to test the E cores but i’ve got a scientific method for the most accurate testing”
Dawid: “IDK zip ties i guess?”
Never change, you glorious zip tied bastard
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I feel like Dawid honestly just does Linode sponsorships because he loves saying Linode....
Same
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@@marebello1210 🤣😂
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I think that the gta v 1% being so low is because you were near the engine's maximum fps, if it gets close to them (160+) the game stutters a lot
For sure! I was also thinking that while doing the testing. Not sure why I didn't mention it. Thanks for the comment. 😊
E-core sounds like a genre of music I'm not cool enough to be into
Just a bunch of bearded dudes with hats singing in whiny voices. 😂
I'd listen to chiptune emo.
@@CaptainZombeh shut up right now
GTA V when you go over the limit engine (188 FPS) it stutters A LOT so you need to lock the fps, that’s why the 1% low was much lower with the P-cores.
For sure! That's what I was thinking. I also think that may have been the case with BF V.
Came to say that - basically all of Zen 3 and even the older i7 / i9s can encounter the same issue when the framerate bounces off the engine limit.
I was really hoping for the legendary 2500k as the grandpa intel cpu, but i guess that the venerable 4690k is getting long in the tooth aswell, great video Dawid!
Thanks! I happen to have the 4690K, but the 2500k would also have been an interesting test. 😊
@@DawidDoesTechStuff e cores are just Skylake
@@chriswright8074 well. give or take they have Skylake level IPC. i would like to see the Passmark numbers for 4c4t Gracemont vs 4c4t Skylake at the same frequency.
People are forgetting that in this case efficient = bad is not true.
These E cores are literally i5 6600 cores
And you get 4 of them, just like the i5 6600.
So you basically get a great, modern, hexa-core processor, and a skylake i5 as an extra.
Este comentario está infravalorado, estoy totalmente de acuerdo xD
Since they lack avx 512 instructions it's gonna be a broadwell cores
This is the exact thing i wanted to see someone test.. and it did go better than i expected. ..
Hey Dawid!
I'm still impressed at the older i5, it sure held its own against the much more modern e-cores.
I'm very curious to see a 2 "gamers" 1 cpu virtualization build with these CPUs, splitting E-cores to one user and P-cores to another.
Just throwing it out there
Best regards!
That sounds really interesting! You can have like a virtualized baby gaming PC running off your chad PC. 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah im gunna need a hustle on that video Dawid. make the GF play the sims on the baby gaming rig.
not for any specific reason I might be interested in just for a completely random example.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I bet an 12700K, with 8 threaded performance cores and 4 efficiency cores could easily handle 2 instances of any game with a 4C/8T P core + 2 E core setup per instance.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff could you split a single gpu’s power between them or would you need to have two gpus with one routing to the virtualised pc?
@@spooky2.043 windows programs dont split single GPU very well, LTT found that its just easier to get a 2nd GPU but you have watch out for the board. lot of times a 2nd GPU will force both to run x8 instead of 1 x16 and the other x8
Performance is surprisingly good, and prices are very reasonable. Microcenter already has the i7 12700K down to $370, which performs very similar to a 5900X. AMD has been lowering prices a bit, but I think they're going to keep them relatively high, as they know there's a huge amount of people already on AM4, thus willing to pay more for Zen 3 CPU's if it means a drop in upgrade over full MOBO replacement.
Not exactly great value for money at $370 though, is it? really?
@@buggerlugz6753 Even at the most discounted retailer in the US, the 5900X is $470 (again, they perform very similarly). So yes, Alder Lake is currently king in price to performance.
2x16 kits of Ddr5 sell for $2000 on ebay definitely go with D4 motherboards
@@buggerlugz6753 Tbh, i7 and R7 have always felt like a dubious value. If you really need a higher core count for real work, why not go i9 or R9? If you just game, why go past i5 or R5?
The price wars have begun! I think the biggest problem with this platform is the mobo prices though. Even DDR 4 z690 boards are hella expensive.
hands down funniest most entertaining tech channel, u even make me laugh while doing sponsors!
The board has LGA 1200 and 1700 holes drilled in it. Hence the two sets of drill holes on the board.
@NikA he may not have had the 1700 standoffs because the 1200 standoffs are too tall for sufficient pressure.
@@mstrwil73 depends on the cooler, my air cooler and ek water block are both fine. Artic aio didn't though
@@LawrenceTimme My MSI AIO works just fine with the lga1200 hardware since it takes them a month to send out the correct mounting hardware
@@mino4258 yes one some coolers the standoffs are too tall so even though it fits the coolers doesn't touch the cpu
I like the look of that cpu cooler, thanks for the funny video Dawid!
Agreed! It's a Cool Deep Cool Cooler XD
Wait, I thought it was pronounced "Coorel"? 🤣
@@marebello1210 That's what I was thinking. Not sure what this "cooler" is everyone is talking about. 😅
DerBauer did this too. Good video sir
Derbaruer's video shows the 8 e-cores in the 12900k performing as good as a Ryzen 1700x in cinebench! Pretty impressive!
I had an old motherboard and cpu without the bracket for the cooler that I was gonna use for a project, so I found some angled aluminium and cut it into a couple of pieces which I drilled wholes in, to use as mounting hardware for a heatpipe chipset cooler I had laying around. zip-tied it all down , zip tied an old 80mm fan to the thing and the temperature was actually decent. Too bad one can't post pictures here (or maybe it's for the best) I'd love to show my work of art to you.
When the cooler part came up I was just so incredibly happy we still got to see some of the great old Dawid Jankiness even despite Dawid pulling out all of the sponsors for this video. This was incredible ¡I’m so glad you got your hands on these fancy things so quickly!
Just a thought here which may well end up in the next video but did you try benchmarking those games with the e-cores off and running just the p-cores, to see what the stability was like? That might solve the choppy frame rate issue.
Would have been interesting to see the difference in cpu power draw.
That Lenoooode!!! Entry is so epic!
I think that velcro that was on the board near the pcie slot was there to help with the gpu sag issues that the RTX 30 series has been having
2:59 I knew that was coming, I recognize the microcenter price sticker from a mile away lol. (And since you don't have a microcenter in Canada)
Me: buys AM4 when it was brand new, hunts high and low to find a cooler that fits.
Dawid: gets brand new 12th gen CPU "I'm just going to zip-tie this cooler in place"
3:20 Likely acable mgnt strap.
Asrock used to use them back in the Ivy Bridge days.
Just a heads up Dawid Asus puts LGA 1200 mounting holes on their Z690 so any LGA 1200 cooler can still work
I wonder what the wattage was when just running the "E" cores. That would be something cool to know. Did the power consumption change and how it compares to the old i5.
It would have been interesting to compare it to a DDR4 i5 7400 as they have similar turbo frequencies (E-core) although maybe the result does not change
Try enabling only the p-cores to see if it helps the frame pacing especially if your in windows 10
Ooooo that RAM kit is something else, so much fancy.
i wonder if u can use the e cores for a dedicated streaming machine, afterall u have 2 cpus in theory, a 6 core and a quad core
The board has mounting system for LGA 1200
Oh whoa, an Intel CPU! Blast from the Past: thanks for the memories Dawid!
Pretty sure i read somewhere a 12th gen E core would be equivalent to like a 6th gen core for performance.
So 8P4E is like having a 8 Core 16thread CPU, and a 6700K added in (with no HT)
This gets me hyped for a potential E-core only laptop/mini PC with 6 or 8 E-cores, as it would draw very little power while performing much like a lower clocked version of a skylake CPU with the same core and thread count.
Just imagine if they did a new computestick with 6-8 E-cores and some half decent Xe graphics.
Hey Dawid, I'm getting a ryzen 5 5600G and a GTX 1060 6GB around next week. How would my system be able to hold up?
I feel like this video also serves to highlight just how good Devil's Canyon was and still is. Would be interesting to see if the good old 2500k is officially "dead". I'm confident in saying C2Q is for AAA gaming, but I have a hunch overclocked Sandy can still push 30+ @1080p (low) in anything when paired with a proper GPU (780ti-ish).
On Wikipedia it's actually disclosed that the Gracemont E-cores have Skylake level performance, so I'd have tried it with a i5-6400 instead
Please keep doing videos like these and not like the other youtubers who are acting like detuning the cpu should p4ovide better results and then being upset when they dont. I genuinely appreciate your content, and fun demeanor
Is the Velcro strap just a built in cable tie? And I suppose I rather a cpu that does multi-player well than one that bench marks well, kinda the opposite of volswagen/dieselgate.
This was fun. Can you compare the 8 sad cores on the i9 to zen 1 like the ryzen 1700? That could be fun
I think the big thing is, how does the software and hardware handle the different cores? Lots of potential issues in the situation
Microcenter is the absolute chad store for computer hardware.
Honestly with some work I'd be interested in high Ecore cpus
Like a low power cpu that's like 8 Ecores and 1-2 p cores
Wouldn't be great for gaming (who def capable of it) but it would be good for pretty much all average user uses
I like how Linode can handle any size load you throw at it.
I want one of those alder lake promotional die shots.
6:50 processor affinity is a setting build into windows which I think does basically the same as process lasso, I think at least 🤷.
Yes, but process lasso lets you set up profiles and automate many things in regards to affinity. It's a nice program.
@@nap8187 ok, didn't know that thanks.
just curious, couldn't you have just switched the cores off via process affinity in the task manager?
7:8 Fun fact, you can do that in task manager aswell
At the beginning I was hyped because my i9 9900k is starting to get old but the reality is that I play at 4k on a 3080 and I have never seen the cpu taxed to the maximum never in any games since the difference would not be noticeable on the fps side I thought that I will wait for this new technology to be more stable with DRMS and DDR5 in a year maybe when the 40 series comes out, then i'll make my move and upgrade the entire system.
Wait there's Micro Centers in Canada ? or did you have them ship it to you ?
I appreciate you showing benchmarks of everything and even a stock benchmark, everyone doing these type of comparisons are disapointed when the e cores dont work like p cores, and provide lower fps. Showing hey you can game like this if you want, but you shouldnt, instead of, wait how is this not working so well with less p cores enabled?!
Was watching somewhere else for a while, when i heard "strapon" at 3:25
Cool video! Don't think the cores itself is the biggest issue here, BF5 don't like just 4 cores. It runs a lot better on 8 threads. Would be cool to see same test with just E-cores on the 12900K.
at 5:41 you said that it stutters that might be due to dx 12 could u explain ? i was going to get this cpu but ive never had issues with dx 12
Well with those E cores performing that well perhaps there's still hope for mobile Alder Lake-based parts. The power consumption was making it look dicey.
Finally, I was waiting for a video like this. It's pretty impractical and unlikely for anyone to actually game like this but interesting to see the results. I think it's best to test new games considering the E cores should've slightly outperform Sandy Bridge since it's similar to Skylake in performance. Basically, what we're seeing here is how a Pentium Silver + E-GPU would do which is alright but obviously you're better off with an i3 10100F or Ryzen 3 3300X.
3:28 "What is this for?..." My thoughts exactly with a random strap on your motherboard haha
Asus must be sending that motherboard out to everyone. Greg Salazar used it as well on a build he did this week. He also commented on the PCIe button as well.
Its been stipulated that the E cores on those CPUs you have tend to have similar performance to the 6th gen skylake cores. Also, always fun to see more people discover process lasso. =)
those E cores run circles over my FX 6300. I am happy with my PC but once I upgrade the leap should be massive.
Nicely done ✔
5:58 "There's always seven more than youe expect" lol
Hey Dawid are you running these tests on windows 10 or 11 ?
Are you running Win10 or Win11 ? it might be a factor in the frame times issues ?
Eugh I just knew you were going to use my CPU as a reference for slow cores!
It'd probably make more sense to test with the games that depend a bit more on CPU itself, like Anno, F1, Age of Empires or similar strategy games?? I don't game and don't know many games, but that's my two cents on that topic...
I had an i5 4690k before upgrading to a 10400F. Major difference in gaming. That i5 was awesome. Held up great.
yep. my wife still has one. I think ill give her my 3300x and nab up a 12500 when they release. I'm done with unlocked chips when they have such little headroom nowdays.
@@eclipsegst9419 Glad to hear someone else is rocking one! As for the unlocked chips the asrock z590 phantom does boost the 10400F. Can't remember what mine pushes but I think it is around 3.9-4.1GHz. Im gonna wait a few years before upgrading, as I recently did this upgrade and hate to shell out $ for new mobo and ram.
@@roamintheslums4851 yeah that's the thing. If leaks are correct 12500 should have stock boost of 4.6 and that's what I ran my 2500K and that 4690K at back when they were in my rig. So if I can enable XMP on a B or H board and possibly get a hair extra boost to boot, I really don't feel the need to spend extra on a 12600K and Z490.
@@eclipsegst9419 I'm more than comfortable with my setup... for once. I neither feel the need to upgrade for years to come. I don't rely too heavily on overclocking. Makes me uncomfortable lol. I rock a 1080 ftw 2 with the 10400.
What better place then to ask this question. i got i7 10700F CPU and an nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GPU alongside corsair vengeance RGB Pro SL 32GB (2x8) 3600MHZ DDR4 ram what motherboard would pair perfectly?
That PCIE release button is mankind's greatest achievement.
The e cores is named to be efficient, but how efficient is the cores?
Its sad that you didn't cover that
i5 4690K was a solid CPU, I upgraded from that overclocked at 4.5 to a current Ryzen 5800X @ 4.7 about a year ago
I'm still sticking with my 9600k overclocked to 5.3ghz. It's incredible. It beats the 9900k, 10600k, and 11600k in many games. None of those CPU's can overclock to 5.3ghz. Maybe I will upgrade to Ryzen 6000 or Intel 13th Gen....see what is better.
I don't know how time-consuming these tests are, but "just for fun" a test run with only the P-cores would be nice to compare.
I'm gonna wait a couple of years. I have two rigs, a 3700x with 32gb ram and a gtx 1060 6gb gpu. The other a 10850k with a 1080 ti and 64gb ram. The bottle neck for me is purely gpu related.
I have a feeling you would have got better 1% lows with the E-cores if you had a DDR4 RAM motherboard. DDR5 doesn't like Windows 10 in quite a few games.
You always seem to make the better videos with new product reviews. Well you and DerBaur. You both think outside of the box. I watch Gamers Nexus for the stats and charts, I watch LMG to see if Linus is gonna drop the product and I watch you an DerBaur, to see what interesting things can be done that it was not designed for.
Which is also why I only watch one GameTuber, GreyStillPlays. He plays the games like me, by trying to break them with things the devs never thought somebody would try.
My thinking is, I can't compete with GN's charts so why even try. 😁 Thanks for the nice comment and watching the channel.
Linus will always drop the product, metaphorically if not physically, so why bother?
You should also check out Lets Game It Out he is also a legendary PC abuser
that motherboard has oval holes so you can mount a old style lga 1200 cpu cooler Dawid
Looks like you were having GPU RAM crashes. I could be very wrong. It seemed like it was dumping all the textures and the GPU speed went down to standby mode. Most likely due to it trying to talk to the Pcore that wasn't able to be used.
The E-Cores were impressive but that 4690K with DDR3 was I think the most impressive showing. This is why I love your channel you give us the content we didn't know we needed.
He really likes those sound affects
Half the cooler manufacturers send the mounting hardware free of charge as long as you got a proof of purchace. Noctua usually just asks for a picture of their cooler + cpu + mobo, sometimes not even that
Oh yes. I've been waiting for this.
Thank you so much Dawid! Like, if there is something janky that hasn't be done by LMG (LTT) you and this other guy "Jays Tech Vault" will absolutely take care of that xD ♡
Dawid... That motherboard has mounting holes for 115x coolers XD
You do know the Asus boards have both LGA 1200 and 1700 holes for the cooler mounts so you don't need new mounting hardware
By the way, what heatsink was that ?
How about temperature when playing with E-cores?
and when will u start the win the stuff competition? i am waiting with the rtx please!
Is that Windows 10 with Alder Lake?
Now the frame pacing issues make sense.
You know you can change the affinity in task manager for selected programmes? 😉
Which cooler u use plez mention the name
8:30 that 1% low problem is the game engine problem in gta 5 when you get more than 170 fps the game is broke and stuttering so bad
Doing what Intel and any other sane person would not attempt. And this is why I'm always happy to see a new Dawid video post.
What you should have also included was whats the power difference between the old i5 vs the modern i5 with the E-Cores enabled. I wonder how they would compare on that front.
He did the thing!
Hey Dawid, I got a ViewSonic VX3268-PC-MHD 32 Inch 1080p Curved 165Hz 1ms Gaming Monitor with FreeSync Premium Eye Care HDMI and Display Port
It looks like a bunch of tiny dots. I try everything on the Display Setting and still the same.
Is it because the pixel density is too low?
What would look sharper a 24", 27"?
Thanks
That motherboard has standard socket 115x mounting holes. No need to resort to zip ties to mount the cooler..
I watch these just to hear Dawid say "Linode".
i have the 13600k, but next cpu upgrade will be quantum cpu @ 50 ghz with optimus prime laser dots
Um im thinking of buy an asus prebuild i think its a g15dk rtx 3070 one it cost like 2500$ so im not sure not asking you to buy it but just tell me what you think