How Palpatine Planned to Kill Grievous At the End of the Clone Wars - Star Wars Explained
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"Okay, I'm going to put this lightsaber at the end of this really narrow plank of wood. When Grevious sees it, he'll run over to grab it for his collection. Once he's at the very edge, I'll kick him over into a bottomless ravine."
_--Papa Palpatine_
This is the brilliance of Sidious. He had multiple contingency plans for his plans that may fail. He had the jedi backed into such a corner that he almost couldnt fail. The jedi were soo blind that they couldnt do the math to figure out a way to stop him (this is the main reason I believe the jedi really needed Qui Gon to see thru all of this)
He had Anakin and the jedi both right where he wanted them and all he had to do was continue to play them against one another. Putting Anakin on the council to spy on the jedi prompted the jedi to likewise enlist Anakin to spy on the chancellor. This pulled Anakin in so many different directions that it eventually broke him
Ultimately? He could blame Dooku if he wanted (claiming that he was still a jedi commissioned by the order to create the war) or he could blame Grievous. He wound up blaming the jedi, but he could have done any number of things to justify what had happened
I do not think that Text me, is Stupendous... be warned
I love how in the brilliance of his plan, there are so many things that could’ve easily gone wrong. If the Jedi council were to have trusted Anakin more, if Anakin just talked out that he was having these horrible nightmares to the council or even just Padme. Hell, if the Jedi looked into the inhibitor chips more, they would have completely stopped Order 66. I think he was just really good at predicting how people would act in advance
Sidous underestimated obi wan habitually.
I think ep 3 Anakin had it in him to beat almost everyone unless he let feelings get in the way, except the desire to protect, he lost to Obi Wan because rage made him reckless, strong yes, but strength isn't everything, you need control.
“The sith control everything”
@@shreksswamp1182 lol not that kind of control, but yea Sidious controlled his rage and used it the "right" way, Anakin let it out and let himself be overcome by it.
@@william7546 hahah I know ‘‘twas just a joke towards pooku
Obi wan new anakins fighting style better than anyone and he was a master of seresu. A direct counter to anakins form.
@@dildobaggins2759 lol no it wasn’t. Form 3 was made for full defence, mainly against blaster bolts.
I would've loved to have seen Grievous vs Pong Krell.
If Krell wasn’t insane as well. Still a solid warrior but that is interesting
Cybernetic four arms vs organic four arms
Grievous absolutely bodies krell in 30 seconds tops
@@danielpluth3777 mere clones brought Krell down so Grievous would whack him for sure.
They should do what marvel did and make a what if series would be sick
So Palpatine planned to have Grievous killed at the end of The Clone Wars. If General Grievous fought Anakin Skywalker (Dark Side), Anakin would destroy Grievous with the Dark Side.
The council didn't want it that way
To be fair any jedi could kill him from a hundred feet away. I really have no reason why they just don't crush him into a ball
@@TheDrexLord its not possible for every jedi. Some are afraid of his nature, thus leading their force to struggle.
@@TheDrexLord isn't force crush a dark side move?
Force crush in .05 seconds over.
The fact that Palpatine wanted to leave the Empire in Anakin's hands really says something about his faith in his power. Palpatine trusted no one, cared for no one, and especially loved no one. He saw the entire galaxy as tools at his disposal.
Anakin was the closest thing he had to a son
@@redjirachi1 that would imply Palpatine was capable of love. He wasn't. He was a sociopath of the highest degree.
How does this man make so many high quality videos filled with facts that as a Star Wars nerd can verify in like the span of a week
its his job
@@Master.Jedi.Kenobi That, and he recycles videos every so often.
If you watch other channels, you'll come to see that this channel is absolutely the worst one on the platform. No insight. Just guesses. No new material, just ramblings about stories that are more than a decade old.
I love how it's canon, Sidious ever the sentimental kept Grievous bionic carcass and used it, and stored it on a storage facility
Would be nice to see a multiverse storyline where Anakin helps Windu kill Palpatine and reaches his full potential, perhaps later going to the dark side on his own and openly challenging the Jedi.
"Palpatine did not want Grievous and Anakin to encounter one another as he believed General Grievous had a chance to get lucky against Anakin" but in your "Why Palpatine Didn't Allow Grievous To Duel Anakin.." video you say Grievous is a massive threat to Anakin and "Palpatine was afraid of what General Grievous is capable of". So did Palps think Grievous was a fearsome powerhouse capable of killing anyone or was he just a possible monkey wrench ???
Buddy, don’t look into it too much. Most of this guys videos are head canon
Yea he said Obi Wan and Anakin were gonna beat Grievous on the Invisible Hand, but Obi Wan was suppose to be killed in the duel with Dooku so that makes so sense.
Because Anakin is exactly the type of overaggressive fighter that Grievous was built to exploit.
@@maxburrill6192 Grievous with the ability to analyze a person's fighting style and replicate it or just immediately scan their weaknesses and exploit them... is what Grievous was built to exploit... it's not that he was bad vs heavy defense and good vs heavy offense it's that the only thing that could stop him is literally the force cheating him of his victory with impregnable defense. The same could be said that Anakin as the chosen one would be able to overpower anyone with pure the will of the force guiding his destiny but it seems like only Obi-wan really had that luck.
0:42 What a character entrance
In the end his plan was to kill everybody lol
Just like the Joker in the bank heist at the beginning of the Dark Knight.
Of course he needed to, he wanted to make sure that no evidence of the Separatists were left in order to end the Clone Wars. This explains why he had Anakin kill the Trade Federation, separatist leaders and Dooku
How powerful would General Grievous become if he was force sensitive along with his cybernetic enhancements?
General Grievous would be as strong as Mace Windu.
If Anakin went with obi won to fight grievous, it might take long enough for his wife to give brith. Also it might give time for Anakin to realized he might being played. As his vision of the future would not have came true. For Obi won help stay him on light side long enough to get through it. It would foiled palatine plan because Anakin generally recanters him self towards the light.
I really hope we see a spinoff series just of this character and his back story. I want to see more of his wrath.
We need a new show in clone wars animation! Star Wars untold or untold stories! Just tons of random stories we haven’t seen like maybe missions of obi wan and anakin before the clone wars, back story on general grievous, some empire days in clone war animation and a back story on jango fett and how he became the clone template. Would be cool to see jango in clone wars animation, Even boba as well !
Almost like its a precursor showing that no matter the plans Sidious had for Anakin/Vader.....that Anakin/Vader always had his own plans that could mess up or alter Sidious's.
I don't know; personally, I put more stock in the feelings of others, like Mace Windu, who specifically avoided battling Grievous because he didn't want the lightsaber blender to pick up elementa of Vaapad, and if that Anakin had gone in to fight Grievous, it could have gotten messy. Even Dooku seemed to finally start to get nervous when training Grievous, for it seemed he was mastering Makashi, and the other forms, well enough to best Tyrannus, and so Anakin besting Dooku I don't see as proof he could also beat Grievous. I'm also a personal believer in the Sith ability Palpatine had in the role playing books, Sith Master, that let him enhance people. I think part of the reason Anakin beat Dooku was interference from the Chancellor, just as he gave Luke the push to beat the much more experienced, but now conflicted, and weakening Vader; two fights he just so happened to be present for. I don't really want to crap on Anakin, or his "Chosen One" power, but a half-asleep, drugged Dooku beat an invisible Assaj Ventriss AND two other invisible foes, each with the Force, and he didn't even realize it was her, to use that to counter what he taught her. I think Anakin "got help", to feed his growing ego, and help give that push that, even with his success, the Jedi wouldn't give him the recognition he thought he deserved.
At the end of the day, I feel only defense for days Kenobi really had the chance. Anakin was powerful, but either most people didn't use the Force against Grievous, or felt stopping to focus was a second he'd take to kill them, and with just his aggressive style of combat, that fed into Grievous' methods. Again, strong, but not as strong as Grievous' cybernetic limbs. Kenobi, though, could conserve strength, and wait him out; wait for the lightsaber blender to make a mistake, and capitalize on it. All of this is my own biased opinion, weighed down by old, out of date crap, anyway.
In the end, it does wander back to a different point; was this another thing Palpatine failed to foresee? It can be clear what he wanted/intended, and he was an expert at puppeteering the future to play the part he wanted, but he often "looked ahead", and maybe should have seen some of this coming.
Any Jedi who was willing to use the force on Grevious could beat him easily. He has no defence against the force. He would die horribly fighting a Sith Lord like Maul or Dooku who had no qualms using the force offensively against him. It doesn’t matter how good Grevious is at duelling, he has no answer for the force and it is completely vulnerable to it.
@@JackTheShadowMuncher if Palps wanted Grevious to counter all types of force users he could just encapsulate an Ysalamari on him
So if Grievous learned Vapaad, he’d be unstoppable?
@@pajamajohnson6051 no. He can’t use Vapaad because he’s not force sensitive lol
@@pajamajohnson6051 if I'm bring honest, Vaapad is weird. A segment of it is purely skill with a blade, and skill of someone as capable as Mace Windu, but another part is judiciously using the Dark Side, which Grievous would suffer with; he's got plenty of evil in him, and his augmetics, but it's still not the same. Still, if Grievous could parrot even just the majority of Windu's innate skill, it would make him even more dangerous, and even fewer people would be able to stand up to him.
Sheev's mistake wasnt having too much fail in Anakin, it was having too low an opinion of Obi-Wan.
He was so nerfed if people would know how strong He was in the comics
it was lucas' vision to have Grievous be weak against the force, he wanted him to be imposing and a force of fear to the jedi but not to the extent it would make him equal to them.
but to give credit where its due they still show cased Grievous really well he overwhelmed obi wan kenobi who at the time was a council member and jedi master which resulted in him having to use a desperate move in order to avoid being plummeted to his death. with the only other confirmed jedi council members to have fought grievous were ki-adi mundi and mace windu
ki fighting and struggling for his life in that instance and mace becoming fully aware that grievous had adapted himself to his saber technique an therefore a big enough threat that he had to blast him with the force to get away from him.
so nerf isn't the right word i would use but rather i'd say it was his limiter being that he was strorng enough to combat jedi masters of council rank in saber combat but not in ways of the force.
This definitely made sense, he would never issue order 66 with grievous alive
Would love to play Star wars d&d with this guy
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To me it always seemed and still does seem like sidious, while he believed Anakin would win in a battle between him and dooku, left the result up to both of his potential apprentices. He setup the board in such a way that he would win no matter what. If dooku beat anakin, he would have gone with the plan that had dooku kill grievous. And had grievous killed the survivor between dooku and anakin somehow, it seems likely to me that Dooku would have given him a prominent position in the empire as the hero that killed the Evil jedi. Grievous would have been an okay asset during order 66 too. It would have proved to him that both dooku and anakin would have been shitty apprentices if they weren't even able to kill grievous at this stage. No matter what would have happened. Even if grievous got a lucky win in. Sidious would have his empire and someone to eradicate the jedi by his side.
I feel Palpatine's pain a final fight between Anakin and General Grievous would be so cool dam Anakin's compassion for Obi-Wan on the Invincible Hand will cost him an arm and two legs enjoy your suit young fool.
As always Obi Wan is underestimated. Always showing that wisdom out matches brute strength.
I do like that, but there is one more thing that stands in Anakin's way of the dark side. Padme. I think Palaptine would have send Padme off on a critical peace keeping mission, had obi-wan been killed by grievous, then grievous would have been told of her location and told to kill her instantly on sight. That would have driven Anakin into a rage unlike any other. allowing him to kill the general.
General Grevious was a potential rivial like Dooku in his leadership role of the confederacy, they both had to go like the confederacy itself.
Yoda said it, Sidious' faith in Anakin was misplaced, as was his faith in the dark side being more powerful than the light side. Yoda was correct, Kenobi was the one who took out Grievous and defeated Anakin, proving that he both overestimated Anakin and underestimated Kenobi, who one could argue is the Jedi's Jedi. In the end, Vader turned back into light side Anakin, which proved the Emperor's undoing.
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As always the answer depends on when? At what time? Could lil ani from tatuine take him even though this is before grievous was made cyborg pfff not a chance. But later on around the time of revenge of the sith? Then he could possibly.
I think he could but it would likly come to anakin using force ablities
So if Anakin had proven to Palps that he could beat Dooku, he thought Anakin was finally ready to take on Grievous because he beat Dooku and therefore he could beat Grievous because he beat Dooku so he was ready to fight Grievous
Very interesting
Thank you for the video . Lord Vqrder would destroy grievous has no chance against Darth Vader Revenge of the Sith grievous would have a chance a slim chance but Lord Varder after Mustfar Anakin Skywalker Master of the Force crush .This is what happen lord Varder would grab him with the force .the rip off his legs and arms and then use Force Lighting that has never been seen before .Lord Varder easy win .
I believe Maul was gonna get bumped off at the end of the Clone Wars. Maybe match him against Jedi till one finally got him . But anyways it goes I think Maul was never gonna see Sheeve reign
Get the plans and I do believe Anakin would have made spare parts of grevious
Anakin's popularity in the eyes of the public would have soared if he put down Griveous
A battle between anakin and grievous, where anakin kills him, would be freakin epic
Man, Palpatine was doing some serious 4D Chess lol
I love how General Grievous was going to get out of hand, he'd eventually turn on them too. All I could think was Broly, lol😅
Ohhhh! I thought him telling anakin to tell the council, that he Palpatine, who he knew they distrusted, to send ANAKIN to fight Grievous...was a reverse psychology trick to get obiwan sent away with anakin kept on courascent.
Darth Vader with Grievous technology instead of the 1970's robot tech. Oh, the possibilities.
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I think palpatine proved he could have taken out grievous, himself.
I love how Palps repeatedly think Kenobi some.sort of pussy.1at KENOBI cuts Maul in half and thought dead.Then takes out Grevious on Uttaphu And there takes Vaders limbs and just for shits and gigglea vurns him.to within an inch of his life
Why couldn't the Jedi or the Sith artificially increase their midichlorian count with bioengineering techniques? Or create for sensitives from non force sensitives?
Might as well do a "What if..." scenerio of General Grievous being able to use the force and/or his brainwaching wearing off.
Palpatine does like to underestimate Obi Wan Kenobi. Thinking he couldnt possibly beat Greivous, thinking he couldnt possibly beat Anakin. If only we had got to see him underestimate Obi Wan one more time in a duel between Obi Wan and the Dark Lord of the Sith himself.
Why not make more than 1 general greivous? He is my favorite
He did come back in Legends.
"Shocking!"
They were all pawns. Every last one of them. *Wow.*
Damn I kinda want to see how the galaxy would have been if Palpatines plan went his way
Makes sense.
could palpatine not have just force crushed him?
IMO, Grievous had a few of the best Droids alongside him.
A4-D, TV-94, and TV-94B.
"Throw clones at him until he dies"
That was the lan i kid you not, it did not need to be anything flashy or well thought-out just throw as many clones at him until he falls.
Grievous: You fool I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku! **prepares to draw lightsabers**
Anakin: You do realize that I *killed* Count Dooku right? **ignites lightsaber**
Grievous: O_O
In my opinion, Sidious underestimated Obi-Won's skill over power.
Sidious makes no since, he could use Grevious as a body Gaurd, he could capture him and make him forger about the clone wars.
Just my opinion, it would be a waste
I wonder if Grievous was as OP as he was in The Clone wars 2003 and in the end of revenge of the Sith Grievous and Sidious would duel to see who would control the Empire. And if he was as OP as he was in the Clone wars 2003. Well, probably Obi-Wan, Ahsoka and so many more knights and Masters would've fallen. Also your probably wondering why I left out Anakin, well thats because Sidious would not want Anakin facing off against Grievous until he was at his max potential. so he could see who would be his better apprentice.
Honestly this would be really cool. As his nerf in everything proceeding the 2003 clone wars could possibly to drawn back to Mace Windu crushing Grievous's chest plate. But if General Grievous was as powerful as he was in the 2003 Clone Wars series, Sidious if he ever dueled Grievous to see who would become the Leader of the Empire I still believe Palpetine would win. Unless he forced Grievous and Anakin into a position where they dueled against each other to see who would become Sidious's apprentice.
Except the 2003 series exaggerated all the main characters abilities.
Agreed, either way the Jedi fell right into any number of ways Palpatine’s plan had to come to reality. Unfortunately Anakin’s down fall was his own self control. He let Obi wan bait him. I am a bit disappointed that Obi wan didn’t put any effort in trying to bring Anakin out of the dark. Rather he fed his anger even more (for a Jedi that preaches so much about the Jedi way this was un Jedi) as if Anakin was a lost cause. I know he slay the younglings and that’s DARK but there has been so much destruction done by other Jedi/rebels that if you dig deep enough you’ll fined how nasty things get in times of war. But back to Palpatine he had force vision which allowed him to see any number of future possibilities he could plan for any outcome hence being prepared for anything the Jedi council could throw at him. I’m
I’m a little confused how Palpatine’s plans were for Anakin and Obi-Wan to duel Grievous together when Palpatine stated to Dooku he needed Kenobi dead to push Anakin to the dark side.
I mean worst case scenario, Palpatine could have stomped Grievous easy
He had to have the general killed so he could terminate the Jedi. If grievous was around he would want the sabers
What’s the “invisible hand” that he’s speaking of?
that is the name of the ship Sidious was "captured" on, at the start of ROTS ... Grevious's ship
What I find funny. Is that if Palpatine had kept dooku as his apprentice and killed anakin. He may have never actually lost
Couldn’t Force Crush end it all in 5 seconds? Like Luke in The Mandalorian…
Also, he could have taken Grevious out himself using force lightning if he had to.
All a predator would need to deal with the general would be timing. And who would have gone after greivous? Likley a team of bounty hunters so I'd give it to an elite hunter
I don’t believe whether or not he’s was going to betray grievous or he still has further use for him.
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Sidious could just lift grievous up in the air and crumple him like an empty soda can
Grievous couldn't be outdone... Not in any simple manner, mark my words!
i believe it was the hope of palpatine that anakin and obi wan would both succeed in subduing Grievous and in doing so he would declare anakin a hero that ended the confederacy an push for him to become a nominee for the jedi council which would still have ended the same way probably as he knew anakin was frustrated by the council's methods. further more he could use padme as a bargaining chip an convince the naive senator to flee somewhere an set up a trap an or exploit the jedi playing out exactly how he wanted things to.
however palpatine underestimated Grievous' zeal to live an his nihilistic nature an this proved to be a threat to his plans so when anakin and obi wan failed to fell him on the invisible hand he knew he had to change tactics which where we get that scene in revenge of the sith where he calls upon Grievous in a private transmission and instructs him to take the seperatists leaders to mustafar where he is to wait for his new apprentice "vader" to arrive, as presumably palpatine planned for likely outcomes to occur one with which he was imprisoned an unable to take action or one in which he was killed (although this was accounted for too as he had a secret cloning facility designed solely for his own purpose in which a perfect clone of himself would replace the older decrypted version of himself) in which a dark side turned anakin would turn on the jedi an be crowned the new chancellor/emperor an thus carry out palpatine's plans for the galaxy
and all likely hood Anakin himself is likely to have gotten rid of Grievous on his own volition with the argument that he would no longer be requiring his service that or he would look into possibly improving upon the general's cybernetics an rebuilding him as an indestructible force capable of dealing with the force itself lol
Grievous was powerful but he was no force user and in fact had to escape capture/death so many times in the series it's almost comical. When Obi finally cornered him without all his droids he defeated him easily.
Makes me wonder what if Anakin was sent to Utapau?
A sound plan, Anakin and Obi-wan were a powerful combo. Anakin was becoming the hero of the republic.
Brilliant plan! However I think handing the Empire over to his apprentice would not have worked. Vader is a strategic butcher not a politician. But that’s just my opinion
2003 gerivous would easily kill the emperor of with a huge army of droid's even without droid's he still be able to kill the emperor and Anakin
Anime Grevious was TERRIFYING!
Dooku was toying with Anakin, as requested by Palpatine. so saying that Anakin defeating Dooku was proof that he could defeat Grievous is not correct.
I always would like too se what if anakin got a greavious suit/body i feel like he would be unstopable
We know that there were 9 times anakin saved Obi-Wan. But what if these were not just random encounters. Was Darth sideous secretly trying to assinate, Obiwan.
It's hard to say but I believe he would have been more than well equipped to take down Grievous because if he was able to kill most of the Jedi during order 66 not just Masters but younglings I'm pretty sure he would have more than been able to kill Grievous
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I feel either way Palpatine’s plan would have worked and Anakin would have annihilated Grievous during the Clone Wars or after it!
The jedi only regards the jedi the sith the dathonirians[in a neutral way) and one other people as tribes that can touch the force
just crush his metal body with the force not hard to kill fo a dark side user like palpatine or even dooku
I think this video exemplifies exactly why Anakin lost against Obi-Wan, so horribly.
Yes Anakin was powerful and capable but he had spent years having the game rigged in his favor causing to him to have success after success after success it build up his confidence 211 that was a liability and then when he became a sith on top of that the overconfidence was doubled. That is why Anakin lost his arms and his legs and got roasted.
The failure evader against Obi-Wan was just as much the emperor's. He worked so hard to create a image of the Jedi Golden boy that he like a moron started to believe it himself.
What would happen if Anakin dueled General Grievous?
I thought Palpatine tried to clone Grievous after his death.
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hearing this I now feel like we were robbed of a 2003 style General Grievous vs Darth Vader battle and I am now disappointed, Clone wars Grievous wouldn't put up to much of a fight it'd be him trying to escape while Vader walks towards him like a horror movie killer
Grievous did have a chance against Vader!
No, he doesn't. Prime Vader would rip Grievous appart with the force if his lightsaber alone is not enough. He defeated an enemy similar to Grievous when fought and killed Karbin.
But a Nikon didn’t beat duku from skill, wasn’t it planned for duku to lose?
What would happen to Darth Vader's force potential if he never got burned on Mustafar? How would the people of the Galaxy view Darth Vader knowing that he was once the great Jedi Anakin Skywalker?
Answers: Anakin would be at least twice as powerful ad Palpatine and would have ruled the Galaxy with an iron fist.
Once Vader’s identity as Anakin was revealed he went on to become one of the most ill remembered people in galactic history and his memory would be later used against Leia to step down from leading the new republic by her opponents after they leaked their connection
It depends on how the story gets out. To the history books, and most people, he'd never even be known as Vader. He'd be one of the few good Jedi, who helped end their treachery.
Well Darth Sidious had to do with Anakin Skywalker and Ahsoka Tano do best improvise. Jkjk the man is a criminal mastermind he had a plan for a plan fail safe for fail safe.
i always thought Palpatine planed for grievous to be a inquisitor to the empire he did hate jedi after all
Man how you know all this? You talked to George?