the biggest problem with "13 Reasons Why" Season 2
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This season, no one noticed that Clay was talking to ghost Hannah the entire season. Having full blown conversations. He needed help.
when he started talking to her at Monet's I was already weirded out, at I found it strange no one even looked at him because in the real world you can't have a full blown conversation with an imaginary person 'sitting' in front of you in a cafe no?
They should have focused on his schizophrenia instead of all the other stuff.. That would have kept with the mental illness theme.
It got even worse in Season 4. He was blacking out, losing time, hallucinating Bryce and Monty, disassociating and ending up in random places not remembering how he got there. Then the show ended up saying it was just anxiety even though it was more serious than that.
I really kept waiting for them to introduce a discussion about psychosis or schizophrenia or something like that in regards to Clay. I thought they were finally going to introduce that in the last season, they spent so much time focusing on his decline, and then wasted the opportunity for what would have been a far more compelling and appropriate discussion versus what actually happened. Incredibly disappointing. The show made a ton of questionable choices where they had a potentially good opportunity to discuss difficult aspects of mental health and the human psyche.
"It was everyone's fault but ours" - the parents
Yeah, I can see where Hannah got her victim complex from.
Hannah's mother was like Billy Loomis's mother from Scream 2. Mrs Loomis wanted to avenge Billy even though he was a serial killer who with his best friend Stu killed 2 of their fellow classmates, the headteacher, Stu's girlfriend and a cameraman and planned to kill Billy's ex girlfriend Sidney just for being the daughter of Maureen Prescott who Billy's dad Hank had cheated on Mrs Loomis with. They also planned to frame Sidney's dad for their murders and kill him too in the original Scream. Sidney killed Billy in self defence or else Billy would have killed her. Hannah's mother is similar in the sense of instead of going after Bryce her daughter's actual rapist she blamed an entire school for what one kid did.
She was raped... She is a victim, WTF
@@caioleal6177 The problem was she was blaming people who had nothing to do with her killing herself for it. Bryce and only Bryce should have gotten a tape.
@@Xehanort10 yeah i get it, bro...she wasnt a saint and screwed up a lot of times, that's what teenagers do. But saying that a girl that was raped has a victim complex? Come on, thats out of line.
@@caioleal6177
They're talking about how she even rejected the help of the counselor for absolute no reason (at least i don't see one) and then she basically understands as him not going after her as "nobody cares about me" even if she herself placed her in that situation
I actually felt like Bryce getting away with probation was pretty accurate to what happens in the real world.
Sierra Yes, it's sad, but it happens more frequently than we'd care to admit. The show runners researched similar cases, such as the Brock Turner trial, which had the same outcome.
Yeah, I get that it's realistic but the whole point of season 2 was marketed as 'Justice for Hannah' which didn't happen? They finished off with no difference to how the season started which was pointless and kinda annoying.
Besides, Bryce is a teen that was being judged not as the serial rapist that he is, but as a guy that raped one girl, Jessica, because no other girl reported him.
Caitriona Quigley the show was really about moving on from trauma not getting justice for Hannah
Unfortunately, once you throw in the "Well, look at his future in sports" line, people like him usually get away with it in real life. Which is just disgusting. It's like saying that sports are more important than the life of the victim.
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I knew this video was coming. I love your commentary.
Me too. He's doing a great job
This show misrepresents so many things about suicide
1. It makes it look like all suicidal teen's problems are from over dramatic teen problems
2. It romanticizes suicide at times
3. It makes it look like suicidal people just want revenge, are selfish, and don't want help
So many mental health organizations have discredited this show, saying it is painting suicidal people wrongly, and how now the public is just gonna go off of this show
Angelisa Hassan I know, but most of the stuff is mediocre teenage stuff they dramatized that everyone goes through, I think I Hate Everything explained it best, he has a pretty insightful video
@kenneth1803
Did you know that, that is your interpretation of the show?
To 1. Wait what? "Rape" is overdramatic now?
To 2. How does it do that? The show shows pretty clear how much effect a suicide has on other people and that its the ultimate choice you cant change.
To 3. Again, how does the show do that? Who the F thinks that Hannah represents all peole who are suicidal or did suicide?
To "4". And so many health orgas have not. The show tells the story about ONE girl.
R8Zio
1. I never said rape was overdramatic, the rape thing was the only thing that could actually lead to suicide, the rest seem like teen problems
2. It romanizes it by having the whole "boy chases miserable girl and will change her heart and they will fall in love, but he was too late and he is now heartbroken forever" cliche
3. I've seen a lot people taking this show as the "suicidal teen guide" and many suicidal people have said this show straight up misrepresents them and makes them feel worse because this show is the mainstream representation for suicide now
4. And yes, many mental health organizations have critiqued the show
I found a video that pretty much explains everything
czcams.com/video/F-QbT5IZzWI/video.html
@kenneth1803
1. Watch again and tell me all others things are "teenage drama". People killed theirselves for less, whats your point?
2. not a cliche.
3. who are those suicidal people to judge about another? everyone has its own reason, the show shows us one aspect of life and suicide.
Regarding your recommended video:
To adress all of this i would have to make video.
Why does "Nitpix" say these characters make no sense? How can he say that? Does he know how humans react in the real world? Is he an expert on human behavior?
Most of those characters make sense to me, most of the emotions, thoughts, actions and reaction shown on the show, i experienced in my life.
Why do you believe him?
Is it just me or all of the popular teen shows on netflix are super dark like 13rw, riverdale... I wonder what it means..
fbspin they are attractive for some reason
It’s all them edgy teens, I would know because I have a few in my class
Yellow Snow Not only edgy teens. All of the popular “preppy” kids in my class watch those shows.
"popular preppy kids" I personally think you don't need to be put in a certain category to be able to like/watch a show.
"The difference between tragedy and comedy is whether it happens to you or not."
Teens are just really enthralled with drama that doesn't personally involve them. Whether that's good or not I honestly don't know.
I honestly didn’t see the point in making a season 2, but now a season 3? That...seems a bit much, doesn’t it? How much do you have to remind us about how horrible the world is?
my thoughts exactly. the story is over. katherine langford isnt even coming back for s3 so what more is there to say??
They really want to get in a really horrifying abortion scene for even more shock value.
They've got to have... MONEY.
Well, that's America for you. I'm from Australia
I heard Neflix can't cancel a show until it has 4 seasons. After that they can if it overall didn't do well.
the one thing that i thought was weird about season 2 was that a lot of the plot was just an afterthought of season 1. for example, they obviously didn't plan that hannah and zach would get together in season 2 while they were making/filming season 1. hannah obviously forgave zach for what he did since she had sex with him and dated him for the entire summer. so... why is he even on the tapes? it doesn't make sense. that was clearly an afterthought of season 1.
good for luke the thing with zach happened AFTER they dated, so thats why she was upset with him
Karolina Krupa no... i'm pretty sure it happened before. if it happened after, why wouldn't she mention the fact that he was embarrassed to be with her on the tapes? also, her hair was long when zach stole her compliments, but when the new school year begun, she cut it all off.
Angelisa Hassan then why didn't she mention the fact that he was embarrassed of her on the tapes? why is her hair still long when he steals her compliments?
Angelisa Hassan no it happened before , as he even apologized in his first time seeing her at the Cinema
Amine Aboutalib thank you. that's what i thought. i thought i remembered him apologizing.
The biggest thing that pissed me off was the fact that she blamed Mr. Porter for actually listening to her? I don't know what she wanted him to do or say but in my opinion he did everything he could. Seeing him breaking down in the court room pissed me off so much that I legit wanted to stop watching the show. She terrorized everyone even after she killed herself, Mr Porter or Clay, thee scene where she literally almost drives him crazy so much that he wants to kill himself just to not hear her anymore was so fucking painful to watch. Like am I supposed to root for this chick?
Also, Jessica just sleeps with Justin even though (if I remember correctly) she freaked out when she kissed Alex? That's extremely unrealistic for a rape victim, correct me if I'm wrong
Exactly!!!!
YES!! Hannah is the worst character
He literally said to her "get over it" and it's her fault? You don't say things like that to rape victims or suicidal people. And he could talk to her parents about her being suicidal.
@@kikigaisidou
I agree, but it is NOT his fault entirely. But that logic, anyone in the show are to blame for not doing anything in time, even Hannah herself.
I'm so glad you finally did this.
Im so mad at u for giving me that drain cleaner VERONICA-
Heather Chandler It was JD’s idea :
I love how many people forget the actual story from the book.
*BOOK SPOILERS*
In the book, we learn everything from Clay's point of view and only through his eyes - as well as Hannah's tapes about the other characters. Other than that we don't get to know them at all, we barely interact with them don't really know what they even look like.
(Which kinda sucks because I would have loved to see an epilogue in the book where every person has heard the tapes and meet one another or a look at how it changes them. We only hear about the effect of one character and that's only in one sentence, nothing detailed)
In the end, I think the show lost the message from the book. Be careful what you're saying because you don't really know how someone's life really is.
By the end of the book, Clay sends the tapes to the next person and finally learns the signs of suicide which leads to talk to his old crush who seems to suffer in silence like Hannah did.
I find the ending of the book much more fitting (although admittedly it does lack of few things )
No hate to the fans of the show. Just wanted to share my opinion.
Alex did a great job at the video and I'm very happy he listened out request
Sofia. F Yeah it's why I enjoyed the book. It delivered that message well. My book had quotes from people who wrote the author and how it had helped them see that other people might need help or just someone to talk too.
Thank you for this comment! I loved the book because the ending was fitting and the message was way more clear, just wish they could've done that for the show as well.
Dylan Wolfie nope
Sofia. F Thanks, my hatred for that scene just grew...
Dylan Wolfie I hated too
But yeah other than the tapes, nothing happens to Tyler in the books. If I remember correctly he's the one character I mentioned above, whom we see through Clay's eyes how the tapes changed him in matters of behavior
I felt like Alex Standall’s suicide storyline was more realistic than Hannah’s (maybe to it being more subtle), coming from personal experience. We see more of the “warning signs” in season 1, ultimately leading to his suicide attempt. However I do believe the show portrays mental illness terribly.
the biggest problem with "13 Reasons Why" Season 2
It was Made.
Unknown_T0_Life and now they’re on to the 3rd season 😪
Am I the only one who finds it hard to give a shit about suicide in a country were mass shootings happens every other week? I'm mean it's sad people kill themselves, but at least that's their choice.
I also think the revenge aspect of the show is pretty fucking stupid. Girl ya dead, either you have other shit to deal with now, or you don't have anything to deal with at all. Either way, your no longer concerned.
razgaros i mean yeah it may seem absurd but you have a point. They really need to fix their problems with their gun laws it's getting scarier as time passes by and these politicians are putting money first instead of doing their job in serving the best interest of the people.
The first season was enough for me. In my opinion, season 2 and 3 is a bitt of an overkill. But what can we do? The love their money.
razgaros Yeah that's very true.
Guys I respect your opinion that you don't like the show. Simple..don't watch it?
Thank you, Alex, for another thought-provoking video essay. These issues are hard to bring into fiction and tv shows. Done right or wrong it is essential to understand the message being conveyed.
queendsheena1 thank you!! ^^
As a writer I can definitely say bringing tough issues like these to the front are important but it’s a thin line between the story being provoking when done correctly and it being laughable when done wrong.
As someone currently in high school and at one point was bullied, the show fails miserably in showing an actual high school, it is way to overdramatized.
The reason S1 made more sense than S2 is because it had a source material to go off of and they tried to interpret it as best as they could. While S2 is basically a giant "what if" scenario with drama cliches that felt more unnecessary than informative and bringing self awareness. The book is clearly not meant to be stretched out this long but as usual Hollywood takes something good and destroys it by turning it into a cash cow
Angelisa Hassan because the way they handled it. They didn't do it in a way so it can branch off from the book like most shows.No one would've had a problem with it because it wouldn't effect the original source in anyway and they're doing their best to make it fresh with characters you're familiar with. But noo They did it by adding on to the original making it pointless so they can try and turn it into this trendy phenomenon for teens by using people with mental health problems as an accuse to be assholes and to add "shock-value" and "drama".
Angelisa Hassan Anne of Green Gables has a ton of books what are you talking about? It's somewhere along the lines of 12.
Also it's not about being a fan of the books in this case is that you can feel the lack of a foundation to the show when it no longer has a source material.
That is gross how they are turning a story originally about warning signs of someone suicidal and what bullying can do into a cash cow. It's truly disgusting.
BenjiXAddictX4Ever It really is so gross ugh
Alex, you're doing amazing sweetie
That one scene with Tyler's assault still haunts me. I still get flashbacks. It was brutal and very unnecessary: they still could've told this specific assault story in so many other ways that were not so raw. And I know that in the moment of watching the scene you are like "OH NO!", but it stays with you after that, like how that one movie you saw when you were 5 years old is still with you today. And this comment is coming from someone who loves horror films, because of the adrenaline. But that in particular gave me fear, but in its vulnerable gut-wrenching form, and I will never forgive the show for doing that to me and then, on top of that, leaving me hanging...
Yo the old format! Noice
Ayye someone else that remembers the old ways thought have been lost to the subscriber count.
Rodrigo Now there's all these videos are like you doing this show is bad but I still love it
Nooooice.
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Indeed, it is just a legend
The worst is that it's been renewed for a 3rd season.
Shahida Doucouré because of tyler 3rd Season is about tyler also Chloe becuz shes pregenant
Joud Alborno I liked season 1 but I think season 2 was unnecessary and making a 3rd one will be unnecessary as well, so this is just my opinion
Leslie Cardenas WAIT I NEEVER KNEW SHE WAS WTF
@Joud Alborno we won't, but it's getting too much undeserved attention, which is disturbing and stupid and we are here to tell our thoughts about how it SHOULDN'T have the attention that it gets.
Problem pal?
@@lesliecardenas921 I watched season 3 and def think it's better than season 2, but the ending of s3 was just plain bad.
I felt that jessica's courtroom speech was probably the most accurately executed scene. And when they all hugged clay at the dance. Those were probably the only scenes tht made sense
The only reason why Tyler didn't kill everyone is because this is hard to make a third season with everybody dead. And like you said, I have more empathy for Tyler than I had for Hannah in the first season.
this show is really unnecessary!! i understand what the show and writers are trying to do..
these conversations need to happen but they take it way too far!! and they just renewed for a S3.... which is great -_-
YOitsNat this show is supposed to be a message to the masses but I see 13 RW stans telling people NOT to watch it more then they recommend it
Writers and producers only care about the money now. They could care less about the message. At first I’m sure they really tried to get their message across and have a conversation, but now it’s just all about money
thats because the shows way of starting a conversation is through controversy. To get controversy you have to show something extreme and so far out of whats typically viewed as acceptable. Thats where you get the unnecessarily graphic and violent scenes. there isnt any class or finese to the scenes. its much harder to write subtlety than it is to just barrel through and show every last detail. but this show brings up a more important question in my opinion. How far is TOO far. just because something happens in real life does not mean it needs be shown in graphic detail on a tv show. People have been so scarred by what they've watched and no trigger warning could have prepared them for what was shown. implication when done correctly is just as powerful
The show went too far when they decided to put a FUCKING GHOST in it.
LOL
but I still think it was Clay's imagination.
it WAS clay's imagination
Love the background music Btw.
Hey at least the actors were good
The protagonist is incredible, a shame that the writing is meh
The dialogue is basically adults trying to figure out what a teenager would say
Y’know this probably doesn’t excuse Hanna’s behavior with her not even trying to get help. But people with depression tend to not think rationally. They think that they would just be a burden to those who loved them. I feel like they wanted to go to this path, but they didn’t do it properly.
I've seen a lot of season 2 reviews and while every one had somehow of a valid point I think you nailed it. That's why I love watching your videos, they make sense, they are straight forward and your point actually makes sense.
Anette Clark IHE has multiple cohesive points, only reason his video is so long though is for how flawed this shitty fucking show actually is.
Oh definitely, I agree with a lot of the points he made and I appreciate how brutally honest he is no matter what.
@Anette Clark
how is he "brutally honest"? He just says something many people felt while watching the show.
But thats not the truth. Its his personal view of the show.
For me season 2 or even season 1 doesnt have to have a message.
Its a story.
Tell me the message of "Three billdboards outside ebbing, missisouri". Is there a message? I dont see one.
Tell me the message of "Star wars", i dont see one.
I enjoyed watching Season 2 of 13RW. I wanted to see what the characters will say at court. I wanted to see how they develop and the actions in Season 2 made, in most cases, sense to me.
Sometimes a story is what it is, no hidden message, no moral of the story, just a story.
R8Zio True, a show doesn't have to have a point or a message but 13rw is being promoted for its message. The writers, the cast, everyone says the point of the show IS to send a message.
@Anette Clark
Then listen to their message. It doesnt have to be the way how you see the show.
I saw Interviews and some mentioned things about "sexual assault" and "rape". I think i somehow can get that message for the show, still its not what i see.
Jessica, as a "victim of rape" had a big role in it. Chloe also had her story told and how you still stick to bad people even if you could know how bad they are.
I could relate to them. A friend of mine was beaten up by her boyfriend, she went to the police too late cause she felt ashamed for it.
You describe exactly the problem I have with 13 reasons why. It claims it wants to start a conversation, but shows conversations that fails all the time. It wants to say there is other solution and you can get help, but it shows you that things never change. That there is no justice, and never will. There is no positivity or solutions, just darkness.
Of course I don't expect a show about suicide to be all joy and unicorns. But maybe shows that the world is not as dark as it may seem. That there are people willing to help, and who will succeed in helping you. That things will get better, that there is justice in this world. Just that.
I think season two was more focused on the bullying culture in schools than about a conclusion to Hannah’s story and they maybe did that to show that suicide will never have a conclusion and that Hannah’s story and her pain will forever live on in the people she knew, in her killing herself it transferred everything she felt in to people like her mum and clay effectively shown through clays hallucinations. It seemed like it was to start a conversation about more than suicide. I feel like the message of season three- especially since they focused on the court room situation- was how fucked up the justice system is and the part with Justin and Bryce is showing how people with money can buy their way out of situations without ever having to face the consequences. Tyler’s story is hard to watch but that’s the point, stuff like that happens and nobody does anything but when people like Tyler lash out and get their hands on a gun it isn’t looked at as a preventable situation but more of just who can we pin the blame on, people will maybe shed a tear but will just go back to their own little bubble. I personally am interested in how season 3 will carry on the story of Tyler and to see if it brings more topics of discussion to light, like school shootings, especially after all the protesting recently I think I will be very interesting to see what 13rw has to say.
Also don’t come for me because I failed my English exam so I’m shit at analysing.
Also also sorry for the length but I feel like I could go on forever about 13rw.
exactly
I missed this Alex Meyers
The justice system is just fucked up and they wanted to show it. But the main point was to point out other perspectives. So in the end its still the same Hannahs death was final and pointless. I think thats better rather than to say "Oh her death meant something". Like justice for everyone.
Well I understand yout point of view Alex. My understanding of the show is that we can keep offering help to the victims of bullying but what Tyler's storyline tought us is that we should shift the attention to the bullies and not just punish them only in the end.
A bullied person wouldn't exist in the first place if the bully gets the attention and is placed in a program that actually teaches them better ways to act without violence.
We see Tony having problems with the law for expressing unnecessary violence when he comes from justified feelings of redicule and need to protect himselt but we see him wanting to control his anger. On the other hand we see people like Bryce and Montgomery commiting violence without any justified feelings, as if they are evil just to be evil without having any ounce of humanity.
The real tragedy is that Tyler wanted to be better, control himself and see the good in people after he finished his programme. He accepted all that he lost, the girl that he liked and his 1 friend. He was almost ready to possibly move on until the world came crushing down again and that was the last drop. How can you blame him? The system failed him because it focused on teaching him how to deal with bullying, self-confidence and forgiving himself for his mistakes but there is no system for the bullies unless they actually do destroy someone's life, then we deal with them.
So Tyler was labeled as a critical case by the school, his file sitting on a counsellor's desk because he needs support but no one asked why? Why does he need support? Why is he a critical case? Who is causing this situation?
He gets help while the bullies are free to roam the school corridors. How is that gonna change anything?
I've never commented on a video before, so here's a first... as a mental health professional, I cringe at some of the dramatization of 13 Reasons Why. But I really appreciated the second season. It showed there are multiple perspectives that are valid to every story, and did a good job at being nuanced regarding these complex experiences people go through each day. To say season two was bad because it didn't "take a stance" is completely missing the point of the show. Because it was, very much, taking one. I see it everyday in my office. The back and forth. The people who inadvertently cause a reaction in another's life. I actually thought season 2 reconciled some of the unhealthy aspects of season 1 by showing the multiple perspectives. And, unfortunately, as terrible as it is, the progression of Tyler Down is fairly accurate. The fact they make it sympathetic to the viewer is the same risk they take in season one - not to promote the activity, but to voice how such a tragic activity can come out of experience after experience, so we can have a conversation and hopefully, as a society, affect some actual change. You said the message of this show is a level of helplessness the characters feel. That occurs, day to day, for thousands of teens and people in general. Do not minimize it. We do need to talk about it. And at least 13 Reasons Why is starting hundreds of conversations that have been taboo to discuss in the past.
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Would you ever consider making a podcast! Btw loved the video and your perspective on 13 reasons why❤️😊
Beebuzz really cool idea would like to listen while doing something else would totally listen
Chelsdagr8 yeah i love podcasts because I like to listen to them when I’m cleaning or doing something😊😊
The season was ok but the last episode was to graphic and honestly i finished watching it and I didn’t feel great i hated the bathroom scene because i think that was not necessary to show so much violence even tho that lead to the school shooting but they shouldn’t do that.(I don’t hate this show and im not giving hate its just my personal opinion).
Cp Family || when I finished the episode, I thought the exact same thing as you, but after a while, I changed my mind. Rape scene in the last episode and the end of the last episode is hard to watch, but things like this happen. It’s doesn’t happen every day, but it still does, sometimes. I was shocked and didn’t feel good after watching the 13th episode, but people need to understand how fucked up the world can be.
I honestly thought it was to much too until my friends started saying he wasn’t raped it was just intense bullying. I legit got mad at them and I finally understood why the creators showed that scene. People need to understand that guys get raped too.
I think they should’ve have more specific warnings tho
They have warnings at the beginning of every episode don’t like it . Don’t watch it.
This is such a real thing that happens and we ignore it censoring people from the truth does nothing either .
Watching that made me freeze up and tense up and I was very upset but that’s the point.
Jrnfyj Dndmfnf exactly. It’s supposed to make the viewers uncomfortable. It’s supposed to make you think about it over and over again. These are problems that a lot of people decide to ignore.
I miss these style videos so much!!!! I love this, please keep it up
It see so many CZcamsr videos on why 13 reason why so terrible. If Alex is doing a video, it now confirmed that this show must be really horrible
Because Alex is the one person you trust blindly?
How about you make your own opinion about the show? How did you feel when you watched it? Was it good? Was it bad?
What feelings did YOU have?
The thing about 13 reasons why season 2 is that these stories are based on real life stories. Injustice, bullying, rape. This whole season was really good to be honest. They did real life issues, and showed them.
Tyler did not become a hero. The point of season 1 was for a vicitm to see there is a way out from your dark thoughts, you can get help.
Season 2 was showing how hard it is to see mental health issues, and they had the realistic approach. I get people thought it was too hard of a hit but keep in mind these scenarios actually did happen. They are based on real life stories.
Heidi Mota they did nothing with the the bathroom scene it was literally just there to push him over the edge. It started no discussion it’s a major afterthought in terms of plot and is just kind of shoved aside
I believe that that's what the creators THOUGHT they were making, the point Alex is making is that what they actually put forward doesn't do that. You can want that to be what the show does all you want, but he's right when he explains the ways in which this premise suffers from people being unrealistic, how there's no structure to lead the show forward, how stuff happens for the sake of evoking a reaction without the right support to get the kind of reaction the creators were hoping for, you know? In the same way that s1 accidentally undermined Hannahs tragedy by portraying a situation far from reality where she could have been helped if she herself hadn't prevented anyone from doing so, s2 accidentally made Tyler a hero by portraying a world where bad people always come out on top if things are done the legal way
The more I think about it the more it feels like a show made for some very bad people to enjoy, something for them to point at as validation for their beliefs that suicidal people are just looking for attention and to bring down others, and for people being bullied and considering purchasing a gun to look up to and idolise
I highly doubt the creators intended that, but intention doesn't matter in the face of what you actually do
The final scene was unnecessary and placed there for shock value. Anyone who tries to justify it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Fantastic to see such a great sponsor for this topic. The more education and support we can provide everyone about mental the better.
Fantastic video man, great discussion about the flaws (and strengths) of the show.
thnk you so much for this video. I felt the exact same thing about the show.... we live in a messed up world, and even though you don't "live" the horrors it entails, you don't necesarily watch YA series to get up and personal with tough situations. Personaly I felt physicaly sick with Tyler scene and completely understood his position and final episode decision, which imo is sending a completely self destructive message to teens everywhere! In that show bullies run free, parents go by without noticing a thing or being able to do anything for their kids, and teens are handling way too much on their own.
Overall I am not going to watch the season 3... I rather spend my time watching something else.
I’ve been waiting for this video for 2 weeks and it’s finally out!! 😁😁😁
Please do season 3 haha
Teenage suicide: **exists**
13ReasonsWhy: let’s make it a show
I miss these kind of videos
I have missed these types of edits from you
Its refreshing to see u go back to ur old editing style. I hope you continue to sprinkle videos like this in wit ur new animation vids😊
I really missed this style of editing. This is why I subbed originally. Love your content Alex!
13 reasons why is not interested in starting a conversation or spreading a message, it is shock value for the sake of shock value
More like controversial for the sake of views.
Truth
That it exist 😑
I just love these videos. Always entertaining and enjoyable and at times quite informational too. Keep making more I love coming back every tuseday.
Hey man, loved the video! just wanna say that I love your voice and style of content. Keep doing what you do!
I agree with your opinion 100%
I think a lot of people missed the point of season two. It showed the aftermath of Hannah's actions and the fact that a lot of people DID care about her
Dude not only your topics and commentary is amazing, but your editing is so impressive. Subbed
Omg I love your videos with this format too. I'm glad you made one :3
Although this is a slightly more peripheral subject, what I think the show did really well and I really appreciated was the realism of the experience the students were having as current-day high school students. I thought this show could be a really effective message to parents to understand what life is like for the modern teenager. Personally I found that my parents were clueless and when I was in high school and college dealt with things my parents had zero idea I was struggling with. Too many adults don't comprehend the difficulties the modern teenager has to endure and navigate. Alex, you said you didn't think season 2 had a message, but I personally saw it screaming in every episode to parents to get involved with their kids lives and to truly care and invest in them. Messed up or distant parents create messed up and detached kids. I know that's a broad statement, but the lack of good parenting I believe is a major factor.
Can't wait for the review on season three 👌
dude you editing is AMAZING, I'm in awe
Beautifully done, as always. I've adored your series on Riverdale from the beginning, but seeing you approach subjects like 13 Reasons Why is yet another reason (ha) I subscribed. You hit the nail on the head for exactly how I felt about the show - it went out of its way to depict the world how Hannah saw it. Bad things happen, everybody gets hurt, and there's nothing you can do about it. People like Bryce, who cause others so much suffering, go unpunished for what they've done. It's an excruciatingly pessimistic view on the world, and one that's far from needed, considering the current state of things.
13 Reasons Why, in both seasons, did a good job of depicting a lot of subjects realistically... A little too realistically, in fact, including the slander of both Hannah and Jessica in order to get Bryce off the hook, as you mentioned. I've experienced quite a few of the things that Hannah has, most notably her experience with losing Jessica as a friend, bullying, and mental health. I've struggled to get through both seasons because it's just incredibly depressing to watch Hannah go through these experiences and get absolutely no resolution, no justice, nothing. Her death ultimately results in no change whatsoever, and that's a lot for anyone to handle when they're already dealing with mental health issues.
Not to mention what message the show is ultimately sending its viewers - life is suffering, there's nothing you can do about it, and people can do whatever they want without punishment. The only way out of that is either to die, or bring people to justice yourself by walking into school with a gun.
This show is speaking to young people, easily impressionable, they see the rapists and other criminals getting away with everything, what does this teach them? Besides Hannah's suicide storyline goes totally against the rules that the WHO gives on how to deal with suicide.
vicky naomi I don't think this is supposed to "teach" anyone anything. It "tries to start a conversation" on teen suicide, but even then, they didn't do that good a job with that.
vicky naomi it's supposed to make you angry because it happens in real life.
It is, but I don't trust today's teenagers to not imitate the shit they see on the show, werther effect is just the start
Katie Fedele yeah but it doesn’t really make anyone angry. The show has done nothing positive. It’s pretty bad at what it set out to do
My friend told me this wasn’t the best. Glad to see a video on it.
why? you want your friend to be right?
Season 2 became a fan fiction when clay learned how to summon Hannah's force ghost.
I love this! I really enjoy your new teen drama show reviews but I've also missed your old videos like this as well.
I think they want to show things the way they are, for instance with what happened (or did not happened) to Bryce... I'd hate the show if it was like "all is well, bad guys always lose, the world is a wonderful place". Let's be honest, guys like Bryce usually find a way to get away with... everything. Nothing we can do.
What I didnt like on season 2, is the way school didnt handle things. Season 1 was a lesson "the way we treat each others and look out for each others... it has to get better somehow" (clay 1x13)
They could have done SO MUCH more to stop bullying! That's the wrong message. Maybe they cannot do anything about justice in court, but they could have done something in their own high school! They only thing they did was to forbid every conversation about suicide. It's like season 1 didnt matter because they didnt do ANYTHING about everything that was going on. Like if they were powerless... if that show want to send a message, that is definitely not the right one
4:32 IM CRYING ALL OVER AGAIN 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Oh! I am really glad that there was a sponsor in your video that made the video appear longer than it actually was. Because I was really not feeling like the 7 min video
i really miss this style of video im glad you brought it back even if its for one video
I missed these videos 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Why is the screen dirty?
For effects
Yesss Alex I was waiting for this video, I love seeing your point of view on these shows🙌🏼
I love your videos so much! The dissection and school of thought you have for the show is so clearly explained and is exactly what everyone thinks about season 2. I hope you get the recognition and stardom that you deserve. Please keep making videos like this
"The Biggest Problem with 13 Reasons Why."
Selena Gomez being executive producer.
0k I don't get it what's the problem with that 😐
Did she handle the writing or something
After what happened to tyler my fictional brain was like time Carrie some things up
love ur animations but these kind of videos are why i subbed. great job!!!!
pls do season 3 when it comes out!
I honestly sympathize with tyler too and I think it's unrealistic that he was stopped from doing what he was going to do
ceara jennie maybe it's unrealistic but maybe it's not. can you imagine the backlash they would have gotten if they had tyler actually go through with it, though?
I thought my screen was dirty during the video with the overlay you've got going on. I admit I tried to wipe it off.
Yes!! Been waiting for you to talk about this!
Is this a video essay by Alex Meyers in 2018? Lol love it, keep it up
Actually I liked season 2 , first of all we saw the other side of Hannah's story . And it shows how everything is in real world , it is not easy to get justice, but who knows what is going to happen in season 3
(I don't know why I saw this video 1 year later)
Yeah the show is great for blaming the victim... Its like saying she dressed slutty and flirted to she deserved to get raped. Really?
Please tell me you plan to address season 3...its pretty bad..
I didn't realise how much I missed your video essays!!
Wow Tyler's bathroom scene is so powerful. When you played the clip I managed to feel the same sensation I did when I saw it for the first time.
honestly this is why a show like Degrassi from the original to now is much better.
Ichigoberry15 Degrassi around the early to mid 2000s was great at getting messages across without doing too much
So the show shows how victims of sexual assault never get redemption and the predators get away with it... how does that help victims? won’t that make people LESS likely to come forward as this shows no one will do anything about it? and people won’t believe you????
i am a victiem and my rapist ran free. it has been 2 years now. and i am not the only one he has raped. But after ive gone threw tharepy and had love ones help me. i dont really care if he gor free. Dont get me wrong i still hate him and i wish he is dead but i dont remind myself that he got free i dont keep putting myself down because he got free. he will get his time once another girl says he raped her. thats all im waiting on then he will get charged
You put exactly what I thought on a video 👏🏽 amazing work!
yes this is the content i miss from this channel like a proper annalisis not just woah veronica is having alchol in the morning oml
I can't believe it got renewed
Yes! While I think an examination of *why* some boys are so angry that they will kill their classmates ir children definitely has its place, the fact that Tyler's story is built quietly up throughout the entire season and then left on this note of sympathy and this idea that any student could stop a school shooting with his niceness, or that he should even be protected from the law is irresponsible story telling at best. Somehow even worse than the "if we are nicer to people, they won't kill themselves" that season one ended on. (I was very happy they immediately cleared that up in season 2 via the character of Skye. Yikes. Be nice to people, but the mentally ill need doctors and professional help, as well.)
I personally felt that the last szene was pretty unrealistic.
Tylers story was told really well and for me its the true issues in this show. Hannah had friends and a life she could life on.
Tyler lost so much more and had so much less to live for and thats why he never would have stopped for Clay.
In a realistic situation Clay could have never stopped him.
If Tyler didnt want to kill Clay he would have tried to go around him, shoot him so he cant follow or smth like that. Tylers not dumb and he said for himself "i have to".
Theres no way you stop a shooter with saying "I dont want you to die".
Due to the real outcome of this szene, they never should have included it. The show was over after the dance.
Tylers attempt of a shooting was a made up cliffhanger.
So glad you're back to making more analytical videos!!
finally!! ive been waiting for this
While I don't like 13 reasons why and the way it portrays mental illness, I feel that maybe they could have done a second season if they had made a completely separate story. A story of complete different people that have no connection to the school, to hannah or anything from season 1. Since season 1 was based on the entire book, this season could have been a totally new 'book' while still focusing on the different aspects they wanted to (making the new focus character a school shooter in the making, sexual assault, etc). It would have portrayed a better sense of the real world and not have made the shows world (the highschool) so abysmal and hopeless. There also won't have been the whole Hannah's ghost thing and Clay's omnipotent power to change people. It should have been a different stories with different characters with each season.
ChocoMint that’s how it was originally intended to be; an anthology series but the creators decided to keep the original characters and expand on them and the story.
Unbelievably bad show
Chidz Hustle but, but they're "starting a discussion. " goodness gracious.
Chidz Hustle that's all people care about writing and how writers make bad decisions just watch the show and stop saying wow the writers should've don't this you have you realize this is a still a fictional show with fictional characters who knows what wouldn't happen if Justin was standing there instead if clay or something along those lines these people are human and make stupid decisions but they're still characters
freddie stompy This is a fictional show with fictional characters that the writers have control over. The whole mop scene was abrupt, unprompted, and just straight up random. It ultimately served to just shock the audience and hammer in that "the whole world is fucked up" thing. Which is pretty damn stupid on their part because they established that in like, the first 5 episodes. The mop scene was just pointless.
Dylan Wolfie exactly not everything has to have meaning otherwise every show would be like 7 episodes and straight to the point it was that men are also being bullied and fucked with and that was also the breaking point for Tyler so I guess they wanted to go as far as possible for us to sympathize with him
freddie stompy thank u
Perfect stated! Thanks for a thoughtful and well researched video as always Alex.
I love these video essay type videos, I wish they were at least 20 minutes long though
I see how IHE nabbed a cool title away
13 reasons why is just a terrible show trying to display mental illnesses in a real world and fails as it try’s to be entertaining to the audience as well. But at least they are getting people to discuss mental illness which is good.
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Could you do a video on Krypton or westworld tv show?
Do season 3!!