Mauser 1913 Selbstladegewehr Sporter
Vložit
- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- / forgottenweapons
Paul Mauser spent nearly 20 years attempting to perfect a self-loading rifle for military service. He came closest with this, his 1913 patent model, which was used by German balloon and aircraft fliers as the Model 1915 and Model 1916 respectively - but these rifles were also sold on the commercial market to affluent sportsmen and gun enthusiasts. This is an example of a sporting pattern 1913 rifle, with a sporting stock and full-length handguards, and a mounting rail on the receiver for a Zeiss prismatic optic. It has a 9mm bore, probably (but don't quote me) in 9x57mm. The mechanism, however, is identical to the military rifles.
Infantry pattern Mauser self-loader: • Mauser Selbstlader M19...
Mauser 06/08 Pistol: • Mauser 06/08 Semiauto ...
/ forgottenweapons
I seriously thought I knew a ton about guns and history of them. When I found your channel I found out I was dead wrong. Thank you for this channel. Can't get enough of your videos.
+1 Exactly!
The more you get into firearms the more you realise how little you know about firearms
You have to admit ...what Mauser designed was always extremely fancy engineered :O
Such a beautiful sporting rifle. Whomever buys this, treat it like a family member.
Please!
+Rock Island Auction Company your the official RIA youtube channel? i didnt know RIA had a youtube channel, neat.
123nick they've commented on this channel before. They seem like nice folks.
Yeah, we're all sorts of places. FB, Instagram, Reddit, etc. Stop on by sometime.
Beautifully made piece. I think that action is pretty ingenious from a mechanical standpoint.
"Fragment of rifle..." Words you don't really want to see together...
Mauser saw them together too close. Then he didn't see a damn thing.
Magnificent. The mauser brothers were true geniuses
Ian, your videos are as educational as they are inspiring. Keep doing the big work my friend.
I really like these fully recoil + inertia operated guns. Please talk about more of them.
THAT'S IT! I am just going to have to become a millionaire so I can afford some of these wonderful firearms you review here. I find myself wishing I could hold, and fire these wonderful guns, that I could put them in my glass doored rifle rack and look at them as I pass every day. Sadly I have no immediate plans on anything that would put me in that situation, so I guess I am just forced to enjoy the hell out of each and every one of your wonderful videos, and dream of such things at night when slumber overcomes me.
That rifle is absolutely gorgeous!
Glad to see that operating system won't deposit bolt to face if some poor conscript were to screw up their order of operations while working that action. Thanks for addressing that concern from the previous video on the other version.
Amazing craftsmanship!
1:02 "one of the rifles had some oppys...." 😂😂😂
Ian, I did a bit of research just then and found that a 9mm necked-up 7.92mm Mauser cartridge exists, it could've been used but I'm not too sure on that since I saw pictures of its bullet likely protruding out too long to fit inside this gun's magazine.. Although either shorter or deeper-seated bullets (probably less likely because of higher pressure) could have been made perhaps.
It's interesting that this gun's mechanism relies on the whole piece moving backward, with the exception of one little part. I wonder if the gun would malfunction if it were fixed in some kind of rig? Like the opposite of limp shouldering?
What a coincidence! I just loaned Speed, Schmidt & Herrmann's "Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles" from 1997 at my local library, and saw a picture of a model 09, which looks to have a very similar receiver.
Looking at the action with the top cover off reminded me of looking at the innards of a M249 for some reason.
This style of rifle with the full length stock and no barrel overhang is known to german shooters as a "Stutzen" which means something like short or cut down. It was most popular till the 1970s/80s and is not really a sporting gun but mostly used by hunters and almost all oft them are used scoped. Most oft them are bolt- or breakaction guns though. Often they are a bit shorter than the standart sporting guns and feature a double set trigger system. I assume the other Version you mentioned is the intended sporting version as the style you discribed matches most civillian rifles you see on shooting Ranges rather than in the hands of hunters. Building this styles of rifles based on the same action is very common, today you can sitill find this with the anschütz 1416 and 1418 (stutzen Version).
As always nice Video keep up the great work.
Greetings form a german fan
Wow, what an amazing technology
thanks Ian , interesting gun .
A fake glass eye? I bet it was real glass!
Lol
A real eye made of fake glass.
Beautiful rifle.
Could the 676 been the scope number assigned to the rifle? Looks like there was a scope in place at one time so is it possible they just picked on off the line at random and fitted the rifle for that?
Is there a version that operates with a shortstroke gas piston? Relying only on inertia seems doomed to fail, especially when the mechanism seems to somewhat lends itself to being forced by an op.rod.
Ian, have you thought of 9x47 FN-Browning ( aka .35 Remington Auto).
The magazine looks too short for a 9x57, but OK for a .35 Rem.Auto.
Doc AV Brisbane Australia
very enlightening piece of engineering.
but makes me wonder, I know that the high pressure of the full-power rifle cartridge is what make it challenging and dangerous (compared to pistol cartridge) to make a self loading rifle.
BUT machine gun/fully automatic weapons are already pretty common at that time, then why is it so much difficult to make a good working semi-auto rifle? can they use the MG's working principle onto the semi-auto weapon?
Please excuse my limited knowledge on this matter
nice! Just a suggestion/question : why don't you use some dummy cartridges (old gun friendly, not hard steel of course) when you demonstrate how the guns work, it would be more lively.
I guess you'll have a hard time finding a 9x57 mm Mauser rifle cartridge in the wild in the first place, now consider how likely it is that someone actually makes a dummy version of it. :)
Ammo is 100% banned from places like this, I assume dummy rounds would be tangled up in it just for a complete blanket ban
Good Idea. This would also help determin how many rounds would fit in this mag. He probably could have used regular 8x57.
yes, maybe some deactivated rounds or metallic training dummies could be questionable but the all plastic dummies couldn't be confused with real ammo (even blanks)
+veuzou I know where you're coming from, but sometimes these places are overly strict
I really like the look of this rifle
Is there any other rifle that looks similar to this?
I love it how there is an Ian pepe.
+Thomas Jefferson m.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/3jxv3b/appropriate_meme/?compact=true
+Thomas Jefferson m.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/3jxv3b/appropriate_meme/?compact=true
Lorenzo Pagani Some Norwegian dude made it.
tacticalnorwegian.tumblr.com/image/141599042803
I rate this meme 9/11
Darth Panzer This is solid gold.
Is it possible that all of the "156's" are just assembly numbers to match the components together, and 676 is the actual serial number?
Maybe that weird number on the side of the gun was meant to match with a scope that had the same number.
i had to come back and ask, say the plate gets slid forward and then the trigger gets pulled, while loaded, that would be bad. can that happen?
Hey Ian, I just noticed there seems to be some sort of oprod on the right hand side of the gun. I don't recall you mentioning it in the other video about this design, and was wondering if it is just extra metal that keys into the sliding plate to get it more mass, thus enhancing the likely hood of it staying 'in place'? Love your work man, keep it up!
At first I was thinking WTF is getting talking about?
But now I see what you mean, it seem to connect the locking/unlocking plate to the bolt in some way, maybe to make sure the bolt is home before locking or something.
I don't know if Ian missed it, if I missed his explanation of what it is or if it seems to do nothing so therefore he did not mention it.
I din't notice till one of the last closing shots. Wouldn't make sense if it was attached to the bolt, because it would force the plate to travel in the wrong direction wouldn't it?
After watching the military one again, I notice the rod doesn't move with the, but instead only the plate. But I also noticed it appears to have access into the receiver, indicating maybe ejector? IDK IAN, SHARE THE KNOWLEDGE. :D
+quigly pigly I did not mean it was permanently attached to the bolt as the bolt can travel by it self but I thought maybe it works on the bolt when cycling forward or something near the bolt to make sure it is locked.
As you said, it seems to go in to the receiver by the bolt so that's why I thought it interacted with the bolt in some way.
+Tomas Gregertsson
I looked at the video again, Ian says that while firing the smaller plate that is connected to that rod stays in place while the top plate is recoiling.
So I think that rod simply attaches to something inside the receiver to make sure it stays put, maybe a spring or something that is hard enough to prevent it from moving while recoiling but still allows it to move when you manually want to open the bolt?
So if you were to clamp this to a really solid mount it woudn't cycle?
So " limp wristing" can cause a malfunction in many short recoil pistols, it seems "strong shouldering" might cause a malfunction in this one.
Can you made a video in which you shoot this gun
I'm assuming the Mauser eye incident was a 93 small ring? I've heard many stories but never really researched, I had heard it was before the 98came to fruition and was the reason for gas shield and 3rd lug. but also heard it all to be rumour. I have a 93 converted to Spanish civil Guardia 1916 early on then imported in 70s and never been brave enough to bench its converted 308win on loose headspace lol
No, it was an experimental self-loading rifle.
I would NOT shoot a small ring in .308. Good guns, but NOT something I would trust personally.
It may work 100 times, and it may blow up in your face. The small rings are NOT designed for the chamber pressure of a .30, and using them as such is dangerous. It's not sporterising the gun that's dangerous(unless it's rare or pristine, then it may put you in danger from collectors....), it's converting it to a chambering it's not meant for.
I've shot (unknowingly) hot 8mm milsurp (apparently "machine gun ammo", hotter than normal) in a small ring. .308 or 30-06 should probably be fine, unless loaded really hot. I've probably put 500 rounds of various 8mm through my small-ring. I would use the action to build something heavy duty, but "normal", similar sized calibrs (to 7mm or 8mm), plenty strong.
Is that the rear sight of the rifle attached to the Bolt? If the bolt reciprocates I feel that might be less than ideal.
It doesn't look like it adjustable, or at least not easily. The recoil wouldn't make much difference to a solid piece of metal.
It's so obvious the German influence in Czech weapons design and manufacture when looking at something like this gun and compare it to the Brno or CZ semiauto prototypes of the 1920's and 30's.
thats one nice gun. but i wonder, is that safety somehow able to prevent the gun from firing? is it blocking the trigger or the firing pin?
He says after nine minutes into the video
this is about locking the bolt closed, so the gun would not open or reload.
+Pprokop87 oh well I done goofed
It could be .35 Remi gton also, that was very popular on driven hunts in the Fn semiauto in Germany .
MrPh30 probably not though, since 9x57mm's case would be significantly longer than a .35 Remington cartridge.
What happens, if you push that locking plate forward, but then instead of pulling the bolt pull the trigger? Will the rifle fire with the bolt unlocked? :-0
... I'd imagine that actually there should be a safety, not mentioned in this video, that prevents the rifle from firing unlocked. And that little piece of automation, that was mentioned, that returns the plate into the locked position is actually more of a convenience that a safety. Makes sense?
1:08 A fake glass eye? You mean it wasn't really made of glass? LOL! Gotcha!
Ooopsies! I had Coca-Cola coming out my nose! Seriously did not expect that!
coulda you maybe ceep your eyes open for some ww1 or ww2 Lee enfield conversions
I dug in the Internet but I didn't really find a lot or hardly info
would you do that?
Never forget the historical importance of eye pro. Moral of the story.
Step 1 - invent shooter’s eye protection…
Is the G3 rifle & its predecessors a miniaturized form of this rifle's action?
No, those are quite different.
No but they function on a somewhat similar principle. G3 and most hk rifles function on the principle of roller locking whereas this would be considered a flapper locked rifle. The closest I would think to this would be the dp28 and dpm Soviet machine guns designed by Degtyaryov.
+Forgotten Weapons I see. Thank you.
+Blake Roderick I see. Thank you.
There will be more of these in BF1 than G98s
so if this was based on a military design does it mean its an assault rifle?
Maybe 9x63 (DWM 461M) wich "...was mentioned by DWM in 1912 for an Automatic "W.F.Mauser" rifle." (www.cartridgecollector.net/9-x-63-hessmer-berlin-mauser)?
Reminds me of the G.41M, waaay too complicated and expensive to make.
So this weapon wouldn't be out of place in Battlefield 1, then?
he made a video on the 1916 inf model, but it is bf1 and they are just adding random things "from the time"
'Military' version of this rifle with 25 rounds mag is in Bf1
+Spudster Must have missed that video then.
I still want stuff like rolling blocks and 1971 mausers for some factions. Fuck balance games like bf1 shouldn't be competetive they should be fun like red orchestra and chivalry
1971 Mausers? what
That 676 could have been ordered by the customer, maybe the number meant something to him. Or maybe that part was just replaced by a different one.
So if you have a really solid shoulder it wont cycle.
If you're a robot, you mean.
guns.allzip.org/topic/10/864271.html
that scope has a 3 digit serial number. Id imagine that the number on the lug is that of the scope - to match the scope to the gun. since they wouldnt have been made in the same factory or location or time etc - you couldnt very well have them all with matching serial numbers - and youd surly damage the scope trying to stamp a new serial into it - so you just stamp the scopes serial into the gun.
where was the mauser factory situated? germany?
Oberndorf, Württemberg, so to day it´s in germeny.
Oberndorf am Neckar, basically *the* German hub in regards to firearms for quite some time. Feinwerkbau, Heckler und Koch, Mauser, and a few less widely known manufacturers have their seat there.
the kingdom of Württemberg was one of the kingdom in the German empire. So basicly it was in Germany then to
I don’t think that action would tolerate mud.
9mm rifle round ha? doesn`t Sig weapon use similar caliber? hm
Battlefield 1 Community starting to influence what guns you do? Since I am a fan of those games on some level I like seeing stuff that will be in the game and on another level I don't. Also typing this before i start the video and in advance I will say great video!
its like a benelli!
Can you tell the history of the M60 & M14 'cause I don't trust the wiki.
Why? It's not like their history is some big, forgotten mystery.
he has a video on the M60 already and he has one on a M14 replica
G 41 or S18-100 captured by red army.It's possible??
"9 X 57" -Ian
can you give your opinion on battlefield 1? how close is it to the real ww1?
It is nothing like the actual WW1.
It's just battlefield. It's just themed ww1. no real tactics or common weapons are used. they just put in rare smg and semis to not change it from a modern fps
don't pester ian with stupid questions
Ian, what are you going to do when you run out of guns to discuss?
SHOOOOT IT AAAAAA
Me want!
It boggles my mind why something as simple as the AK and AR wasn't invented in the 1900's or 1910's considering all the Rube Goldberg contraptions that people came up with for a semi-auto rifle. The amount of machining and engineering in some of these rifles is bordering on silly.
Hindsight is always easy to forget when we take what others already figured out for granted.
Engineers back then could not forsee what would become the standards now plus the fact metallurgical quality was very primitive compared to what we were able to find out since then so "simple" AR and AK designs would not have been possible back then anyway.
What an odd rifle. I can see why it wasn't adopted en masse.
Why do you keep putting polish flag on videos about german guns?
it's not Polish it's the old I belive deutsches Kaiserreich flag
+n0pr0hd gaming you are right
That's the flag of the German Empire from 1871-1918.
+Elmar P. at first I was confused to because this flag just gets forgotten
Ah i see.
@MrPanos2000 really now? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Poland
"9 x 57"
damn oopsies
3rd
FIRST BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY!
2nd
lol fuck this gun in battlefield