Ethiopian ZH-29 and Czech Experimental Z-37
Vložit
- čas přidán 22. 08. 2016
- / forgottenweapons
The ZH-29 was an influential early semiautomatic military rifle, although not one that saw any significant adoption. As best I can tell, only two countries purchased them in any quantity: China and Ethiopia. This ZH-29 is an Ethiopian contract example, with an Ethiopian Lion of Judah on the receiver and stock. The other rifle we are looking at today is a further iteration of the ZH-29 that was tested by the Czech military - the Z-37. This rifle shows a few relatively minor alterations from the standard pattern:
* Rear sight attached at back rather than front
* Bolt handle changed from round knob to hook
* Safety moved from trigger guard to rear of receiver
* Front sight and bayonet lug pinned to barrel and made separate from the gas block
* Barrel weight increased
An interesting glimpse into the changes requested by the Czech trials board before finally rejecting the design.
/ forgottenweapons
I love the color of the case hardening (or perhaps a dark strawing) of the receivers.
I'm always so thrilled when I discover there is special bonus content :D
My grandfather used to make these, then he was making cars from the same company - Z 18. Good old times, ey?
Awesome piece of czechnology.
This is the most fascinating and informative channel on CZcams.IMHO!!!
I love the Ian pwnage in these comments.
I really enjoy the embossed characters and symbols on vintage firearms. For example the Imperial Chrysanthemum on the Arisakas. That Lion Of Judah is quite the unique and beautiful one.
damnit! you gave us extra content at the end of the video. now i have to go back and watch last few videos over again and see if i missed anything.
i love that these are always up before i go to work so i can watch over breakfast
Amazing colors
Is anybody else wondering why he didnt talk about the rear sight differences?
I think the reason more of these rifles weren't imported may have had something to do with the failed 1928 coup d'etat against the regent and following rebellion against him that lasted until 1930. The order was probably placed by the Empress' supporters before the coup d'etat or just following it with the rifles being delivered towards the end of the conflict. Afterwards, it might be that the new Emperor (former regent) didn't want to do business with someone who'd done business with Empress. He wasn't know for being particularly friendly to those who had opposed him.
God those guns are beautifully crafted,.. I didnt say theyre good guns just beautifully crafted
Beautiful machining and casting, but that had to add serious time and cost to the production cycle. The thought popped into my head that I wonder what military weapons from the 30-40s would have looked like had WW2 not forced major powers to adopt more utilitarian designs?
Love your videos
Ian, one thing. at that time, it was Checho-slovakia. (if i translate it correctly). it was two nations in one country. like after WW2
3:58 : the ball is more comforteble than the hook, but it takes more work to bee finished.
Ethiopian army was underoing a major changes at that time. and then, the Italian invaded. for some historians it was the prelude to WW2.
I'm wondering what the rationale for retaining the 10 round magazines was if the 20 round ones are interchangeable as seems to be suggested here. Would it be an issue of weight or cost, or what?
Bonus content! :)
God I love that plum bluing!
Perhaps the Czechoslovakian Army asked for the safety on the Z37 to be moved to simplify training.
Their standard bolt action rifles, were Mauser designs. With a flag safety on the back if the bolt.
Hey Ian. Do you know anything ( more then me ) about the Persian contract ? The sha (?) of Persia ordert 1938 (? ) 10.000 (?) Schweden Mauser in 8×57 IS.
Some of them stayed in Germany /got never delivered to Persia.
I own a such a rifle . And all the marking are in Farsi.
I cannot find more Details.
Please help
That lion looks slightly annoyed... I guess it's not really dignified for a lion to stand like that holding a banner so I totally get it.
2nd, it was well worth pausing redtube
Why don't the accuracy issues from the tilting bolt also arise on the FAL and other tilting bolt designs
The rear sight is actually reversed on the Z-37, which looks really weird!
See if you can ever do a US UD M/42
why do the receivers look purple/red?
Are you sure this is exactly ZH 29? ff.zcu.cz/kbs/files/2015/The-20th-Century-Revisited.pdf this document about Czechoslovak-ethiopian relations talks about "ZH32". Dont know what is the diference between these two rifles, but i have noticed that it doesnt have markings on the same place as normal zh29 like this www.vhu.cz/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/3-puska-zh-29.jpg
So should I expect this to be in battlefield 1?
They seem to be putting in primarily obscure weapons, so maybe.
Alrighty then
these rifles were designed ten years after the great war ended
Risto Mladich
The joke...
Your head.
Yes
it will be in the assault weapons pack including the ak47 and then IMI tavor
Persnickity!
No chickens harmed in the making of this video. (1000 pts if you get what I'm referring to)
the ball handle if feels better in hand and is for more like hunting.
the change to the hooked handle is common for military for one handed fighting.
say your riding a motorcycle your going down the road spotting enemies you lay the rifle on the handlebars hook to handle bars with the bolt push forward move the gun to the right position and start firing the hook allows to draw Bolt without any contact to the boat and the ball handle put your contact right on the Bolt people who have been in battle would know this and would prefer the 37 that's why they changed it as well as the safety a this would also work if you were wounded in one arm
the plumb finish makes it even more attractive I love the look of these rifles not the price lol I would buy one in a second if I had the opportunity
so 8 mm mauser ?
anyone know why some of these older rifles have that purplish-red kinda finish?
It's just a different kind of bluing. One of my reproduction Remington revolving rifles, made by Uberti, has that same finish on the frame.
There are several debated reasons as to why bluing sometimes takes on a plum colouring. Some reason it's due to using old bluing salts, others say it's because the salts were too hot and the rest say it's down to silica in the metal of the workpiece affecting the finish. It's a fairly well debated subject. Safe to say though, it's due to some variable in the bluing process. It supposedly doesn't affect the efficacy of the bluing though, so if you have plum on your guns you don't need to worry about it rusting more than a gun that is all blue. However, I do believe the plum gets darker with age. Hope this helps.
I'm looking at buying a m24/30 in 7mm Mauser. do you think that's a good idea??? it's the Venezuelan contracted one
8mm ammo is easier to find just make sure the price is below 350$
It's $249.58 . Thank you.
+Gerard Herrala Be careful to get good 8mm and not some dangerous persian surplus
What Caliber are these in?
7.92x57mm.
What material is front handguard made of?
Appears to be aluminium.
Close, it's made of aluminum. ;)
+webtoedman You know it's not actually spelled that way, right? English folks just say the "num" in Aluminum in a way that sounds like "nium".
+NastySavage Where did you get that idea? "Aluminum" is the standard spelling in US English, "aluminium" is the standard in the UK. I know about British pronunciation and orthography, I live here.
You sure it's not the mysterious Bohemian material known as hliník?
If I stick around after the credits for the next video do I get a free cookie?
When the Germans occupied Czechoslovakia in 1938, they took over the arsenals of the Czechoslovak army and tested these rifles, but rejected them as too expensive to manufacture and generally worse than the old, proven Mauser.
PS: Those rifles did not like the German military leaders to such an extent that even dependent on them army of Slovakia which was formed after the split of Czechoslovakia in 1939. were using as a regular infantry rifles Mauser M 24.
But you have to admit, even today, looks modern!
Persnickety?
Indubitably.
I think I'm your biggest fan.
I don't think the model number coincides with the year it was designed. Abyssinia (Ethiopia) was under Italian occupation from 1935 til 1941 so unless these were ordered by the government-in-exile to arm rebel forces there was no Abyssinian army in 1937.
The zh29 was the abyssinian one.
Sir Greggory Groda Ok that makes sense looks like I mixed them up.
Dat bluing tho.
So its possible to attach ZB vz.26 machinegun to both rifles?
after creds: well. the mag was taken from the gun, so it is natural that it is similar to the mag used in it.
Historically correct is czechoslovakian not czech and it is engraved on the gun as well...I am not picky I know czechoslovakia is now non existing country, but you should follow history as it was. Many thanks for the effort you are spending to create such a great content on your channel
Yeah, but CZ was always based in Czechia.
Must. resist. bad. pun. ;-)
I dont understand why you are calling the weapons produced in either pre WW1 or post WW2 Czechoslovakia "Czech", It would be better and more accurate if you were calling them Czechoslovakian. And also the term "Czech military" is also not very correct.
Because 'Czech' is a convenient short hand that pretty much all the viewers will understand, and 'Czechoslovakian' is a bit of a mouth-full if you have to say it repeatedly.
Well, surely there are many viewers who are familiar with Czechoslovakia and weapons that originate from this former country. But for those who are not familiar with it this can lead to misconceptions. But I can understand that saying Czechoslovakia over and over may be a mouth-full, but at least the video title should have Czechoslovakian in it instead of just Czech.
In English parlance, Czech is an appropriate and fully accepted shortening of Czechoslovakia.
Matthew Palmer Shortening which completly leaves out the second nation in the name of the country. Seems legit and totaly not discriminating towards the Slovak peolpe :)
These guns were made in Brno, which was (and still is) a Czech-speaking part of the country. It used to be all one nation but it was very much split by language, kind of like French vs German Belgium. Calling these rifles Czech is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.