saw the beginning of this video on sam dawah channel. been waiting for the full vid. i just love how Shabir bhai breaks everything to the foundation and tries to rebuild the persons mindset. some r just stubborn and wont go forward, either due to insincerity or arrogance. but logically speaking, no1 is a match for shabir bhai. i wish shabir had his own show. i could watch this on a daily basis.
I saw this fella having discussion with Ustadh Abbas and brother Jake the Muslim metaphysician and he tend to confuse by arguing by using fruitless argument. May Allah swt guide him ameen
Well, some of us are able and willing to accept the truth, whereas religions are not willing to accept the truth. They just can't no matter how hard they try.
@@scottholder4431 "religions"? All religions? Do religions exist without the religious, ie: religious people? Then you mean certain people, whether religious or not "are not willing to accept the truth"? Or is your position that only those who have NO religion are willing to accept the truth?
@@michaelevans4110 Well, if I show you the truth and you CANT understand it.........should I put you in the category of "religions can't believe the truth" or should I put you in the category of "religions CAN believe the truth"?
@@scottholder4431 So, "asking questions", to you denotes confusion. Is it possible that asking questions may be for clarification or to expose a flaw in your supposed logic?
The brain is simply unable to imagine things that it didn't experience. For example if I asked you to draw my face or write a description about me most likely you won't be able to since we didn't meet before! Therefore , your brain will be incapable of imagining your friends your family your place of work the type of food you eat your daily tasks, or problems you face . all of these things that we do on a daily basis won't be possible based on the brain only.
At 2:40 John talks about the collapse of the wave function through observation in quantum fields but he seems to not fully understand what he’s referring to he seem to mix up Copenhagen interpretations (the theories of Heisenberg and Bohr) in quantum mechanics with the particle and wave duality. In the Copenhagen interpretation, the wave-function is collapsed upon measuring. One could say, with each mark in the interference pattern or particle pattern on the detector, just prior to observation there was a relative probability of both (the existence of that part of pattern and the alternative). Merely viewing the 2-slit with an instrument (your eyes) does not change the outcome. The outcome and curiosity arises as a result of light acting both as a particle and as a wave. If you measure with detectors at the slits, the interference pattern disappears- that’s what’s being referred to. Not literally looking at it with your eyes.
Thank you for your post. The title is actually a question. If there is no objective yardstick the everything would be reliant on subjectivity and that would almost inevitably lead to wrong or misinterpreted perception.
@@AllTruthRevealed But that doesn't mean reality is automatically an illusion. And what is this objective yardstick you use to determine reality? And how do you know that without an objective yardstick reality would be an illusion?
@@snowstreams7503 My argument was not about proving a brain but me knowing about my existence after you asked "how do we know we exist". I responded to your claim that thinking is a byproduct of the brain. So if we use your logic and that is the case, than me thinking proves I have a brain hence my existence by your standard!
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
is this muslim alright in the head? He just can't seem to understand that we need to figure out if this independent yardstick is natural or supernatural. We need to figure out if this intelligence is natural or supernatural. We need to figure out if this agent is natural or supernatural. We need to figure out if this creator is natural or supernatural. He just stops his logic at "intelligence" or "creator" or "agent"..............and doesn't continue the logical argument to find out if this creator/intelligence/agent is natural or supernatural. Does he not want to know??? Then why did he stop thinking?????
@@scottholder4431 natural world is subject to human perception and are open to corruption. Supernatural is not. It is external and objective. My humble opinion.
@@nazeemsultan1038 The natural world is all we have evidence of. Maybe something does exist outside this natural world, but we have no evidence that anything does. We have no reason to think that things are not created naturally, even if we cannot explain them. We couldnt explain thunder in ancient times. Some people told us it was created by god. They were wrong. Same with the universe. We cannot explain how it got here. Some people tell us it was created by god, but we have no evidence. They will find out they are wrong too. Just because we cannot explain it, doesn't mean it was created by god. Just because the universe was created, doesn't mean it was created by a god. It could have been created naturally and since that's the only evidence we have, it's silly to believe in supernatural creation.
I would dispense with the word natural and supernatural and replace them with knowledge, knowledge is all encompassing with many methods that can be used to acquire it not just the scientific one as envisioned by ikujiro nonaka and others alike.
saw the beginning of this video on sam dawah channel. been waiting for the full vid. i just love how Shabir bhai breaks everything to the foundation and tries to rebuild the persons mindset. some r just stubborn and wont go forward, either due to insincerity or arrogance. but logically speaking, no1 is a match for shabir bhai. i wish shabir had his own show. i could watch this on a daily basis.
What does bhai mean?
@@homtanks7259 means uncle. just a respectful term for some1 older than oneself in the indian culture.
@MThre3 bhai what are you saying bhai? Doesn't bhai mean brother rather than uncle?
@@kanjarize nope
Love you always brother Shabir, I'm always looking forward to your discussion. May Allah increase you in beneficial knowledge.
I waiting for this debate. Thank you May Allah bless Shabir Sir
JazakAllahu khairan
John is always fun to see speaking, he seems quite sincere and intelligent
I saw this fella having discussion with Ustadh Abbas and brother Jake the Muslim metaphysician and he tend to confuse by arguing by using fruitless argument. May Allah swt guide him ameen
I saw it too and I enjoyed it but Its Jake the Muslim "Metaphysician" not Metaphysic
Such a lovely, friendly and full of knowledge discussion. This is how it should be coz In the end we all are seeking for the truth.
Well, some of us are able and willing to accept the truth, whereas religions are not willing to accept the truth. They just can't no matter how hard they try.
@@scottholder4431
"religions"?
All religions?
Do religions exist without the religious, ie: religious people?
Then you mean certain people, whether religious or not "are not willing to accept the truth"?
Or is your position that only those who have NO religion are willing to accept the truth?
@@michaelevans4110 So we can see that you can't prove me wrong, all you can do is prove you are confused by asking questions.
Try again!
@@michaelevans4110 Well, if I show you the truth and you CANT understand it.........should I put you in the category of "religions can't believe the truth" or should I put you in the category of "religions CAN believe the truth"?
@@scottholder4431
So, "asking questions", to you denotes confusion.
Is it possible that asking questions may be for clarification or to expose a flaw in your supposed logic?
Ma sha Allah tabark Allah
Salam from Fiji
Guys please better audio quality. The feedback noise is just …….. but good conversation Bro Shabir
The brain is simply unable to imagine things that it didn't experience. For example if I asked you to draw my face or write a description about me most likely you won't be able to since we didn't meet before!
Therefore , your brain will be incapable of imagining your friends your family your place of work the type of food you eat your daily tasks, or problems you face . all of these things that we do on a daily basis won't be possible based on the brain only.
At 2:40 John talks about the collapse of the wave function through observation in quantum fields but he seems to not fully understand what he’s referring to he seem to mix up Copenhagen interpretations (the theories of Heisenberg and Bohr) in quantum mechanics with the particle and wave duality.
In the Copenhagen interpretation, the wave-function is collapsed upon measuring. One could say, with each mark in the interference pattern or particle pattern on the detector, just prior to observation there was a relative probability of both (the existence of that part of pattern and the alternative).
Merely viewing the 2-slit with an instrument (your eyes) does not change the outcome. The outcome and curiosity arises as a result of light acting both as a particle and as a wave.
If you measure with detectors at the slits, the interference pattern disappears- that’s what’s being referred to. Not literally looking at it with your eyes.
Asalaam alaikum and thank you brother
Why would reality be an illusion without an independent yardstick though?
Thank you for your post. The title is actually a question. If there is no objective yardstick the everything would be reliant on subjectivity and that would almost inevitably lead to wrong or misinterpreted perception.
@@AllTruthRevealed But that doesn't mean reality is automatically an illusion.
And what is this objective yardstick you use to determine reality?
And how do you know that without an objective yardstick reality would be an illusion?
@@snowstreams7503 Because we can think.
Cogito ergo sum.
@@snowstreams7503 Yes so it proves I have a brain. If my brain exists I exist.
@@snowstreams7503 My argument was not about proving a brain but me knowing about my existence after you asked "how do we know we exist".
I responded to your claim that thinking is a byproduct of the brain. So if we use your logic and that is the case, than me thinking proves I have a brain hence my existence by your standard!
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ?
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
Islam mean "submission" to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds )
God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5:5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
Question to Muslim and Christian:
Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
Quran 5:48
'' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
'' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
'' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
is this muslim alright in the head? He just can't seem to understand that we need to figure out if this independent yardstick is natural or supernatural.
We need to figure out if this intelligence is natural or supernatural.
We need to figure out if this agent is natural or supernatural.
We need to figure out if this creator is natural or supernatural.
He just stops his logic at "intelligence" or "creator" or "agent"..............and doesn't continue the logical argument to find out if this creator/intelligence/agent is natural or supernatural.
Does he not want to know??? Then why did he stop thinking?????
The intelligent being had to be supernatural, or else it is biased.
@@nazeemsultan1038 Well, how did you rule out natural? What tests did you do?
@@scottholder4431 natural world is subject to human perception and are open to corruption. Supernatural is not. It is external and objective. My humble opinion.
@@nazeemsultan1038 The natural world is all we have evidence of. Maybe something does exist outside this natural world, but we have no evidence that anything does.
We have no reason to think that things are not created naturally, even if we cannot explain them.
We couldnt explain thunder in ancient times. Some people told us it was created by god. They were wrong.
Same with the universe. We cannot explain how it got here. Some people tell us it was created by god, but we have no evidence. They will find out they are wrong too.
Just because we cannot explain it, doesn't mean it was created by god.
Just because the universe was created, doesn't mean it was created by a god. It could have been created naturally and since that's the only evidence we have, it's silly to believe in supernatural creation.
I would dispense with the word natural and supernatural and replace them with knowledge, knowledge is all encompassing with many methods that can be used to acquire it not just the scientific one as envisioned by ikujiro nonaka and others alike.