Reasoned Analysis-"Did God create man or did man create God?" Part 1.

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  • The discussion centred on whether human beings invented God/s or the supreme Creator.

Komentáře • 116

  • @jzlnz
    @jzlnz Před 2 lety +18

    A pleasure to listen to Shablr. He is very articulated and speak politely yet he able to present his point in excellently.

  • @khalidmehmood9945
    @khalidmehmood9945 Před 2 lety +12

    Shabirs talks hve always some educational value..

  • @abubakarsaidu2910
    @abubakarsaidu2910 Před 2 lety +12

    Always happy seeing Brother Shabir 💖

  • @DePeaceHunter
    @DePeaceHunter Před 2 lety +3

    A pleasure to see a scouse lad here. May God guides him to the truth.

    • @Trueone786
      @Trueone786 Před 2 lety +1

      Ameen Yaa Rabbil Alameen 🤲🏽

  • @mudassarmubin4574
    @mudassarmubin4574 Před 2 lety +6

    Assalam brother, so you finally spoke with the brother 🙌

  • @openyourmind7865
    @openyourmind7865 Před 2 lety +8

    SHABIR IS A LEGEND

  • @breakbeat9229
    @breakbeat9229 Před 2 lety +5

    Wow! In a 36 minute conversation Shabir managed to speak for 34 minutes straight!

    • @The_Angry_BeEconomist
      @The_Angry_BeEconomist Před rokem

      it wasn't really a conversation, Elliott has questions and Shabir is answering them

    • @breakbeat9229
      @breakbeat9229 Před rokem

      @@The_Angry_BeEconomist That's actually how a conversation goes.

  • @fadwajansenmoufti5112

    SubahaanAllah brother Shabir you are doing good work for the world. JazakAllahu Khairan inshAllah Ameen

  • @khisyamh
    @khisyamh Před rokem +2

    I always become mentally tired after listening to Br. Shabir. Too many things to be absorbed in a short period of time. Regardless, always enjoy your video Br. Shabir. Full of knowledge. May you be rewarded in the world and in the hereafter. Assalamualaikum.

  • @scorpion20dz
    @scorpion20dz Před 2 lety +2

    May Allah the almighty bless you brother Shabir

  • @Ismail-Yahya
    @Ismail-Yahya Před 2 lety +1

    This is an amazing conversation, will there be more parts Brother Shabbir?

  • @loneforest6541
    @loneforest6541 Před 2 lety

    Brother Sabbir always super

  • @Ryba125
    @Ryba125 Před měsícem +1

    See a guy strong, imagine him stronger, imagine him strong enough to do anything= >omnipotent.
    Your father know more => omniscience.
    The wind move without been seen> immateriality...
    Coincidentally, the world was only anthropomorphic idols millenias ago, but when society advanced, so did the idea of god.

  • @onlyonetoserve9586
    @onlyonetoserve9586 Před 2 lety

    Tankyo shabir tong if truth to athest def eer

  • @greenisgood8219
    @greenisgood8219 Před 2 lety +3

    When is part 2?

  • @user-wo6ge5lz3m
    @user-wo6ge5lz3m Před 2 lety +1

    Brother Shabir when can we expect a dialogue between Jordan Peterson and yourself?

  • @Faylasoofe-kaa
    @Faylasoofe-kaa Před 2 lety

    Part 2 please

  • @moi984
    @moi984 Před 2 lety

    Nice!

  • @noenamfam
    @noenamfam Před 2 lety

    Brother Shabir dress very neat today

  • @MansMan42069
    @MansMan42069 Před 2 lety +2

    7:10
    This is always the case with the atheists I've come across. It's unfortunately a catch 22 for them.
    Either they can't give me a criteria or they want something empirical, both cases only expose their lack of understanding in epistemology.

  • @therawwafexperiment
    @therawwafexperiment Před rokem

    I humbly suggest fixing the camera and not jumping from one angle to the other. The cam one from the call would be best.
    The way it’s happening right now is distracting.

  • @eetate81
    @eetate81 Před 2 lety +1

    Brother Shabir , is there an email that I may use to ask you questions ?

  • @alberxenos
    @alberxenos Před 2 lety

    Assalamu’alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
    السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ

  • @ultiumlabs4899
    @ultiumlabs4899 Před 2 lety +1

    If atheist wants to discuss to brother shabir yusuf with humbleness, by God willing, they will find satisfying answer. But I realize many atheist just use atheism as a tool to use their desire as their life guidance, we can do nothing for this type of atheist.

  • @187a3
    @187a3 Před 2 lety +4

    This is a great concept but i want to suggest to please get a dedicated podcast Microphone for clear crisp voice recording.
    I would love to see br Shabbir have a podcast show!

  • @samantarmaxammadsaciid5156

    "If I need to provide the necessary evidence for the claim, I need to know what standard I need to meet?" not one single has been able to give me!
    Man is not so creative as to invent His Creator! The fact of the matter, man is a follower, a Zombie, man cannot separate himself from his environment, even if man does not know what previous concept of God that was being worshiped, he would only take from the same environment a distortion of that concept previous to him and customise it in time!
    We are zombies and we do what zombies do!
    Atheism is very much dependent on the developments of the technologies and the structure of the political and historical context that took place in the west without anyone intentionly directing it, rather the circumstances in which it develops directs it, plus the religious who seem not to be aware of not only what the Creator is but also what human is, each claiming something they have no idea, Atheists claiming make-believely science supports them because they base on their idea facts and evidences when in reality it does not, and the religious claim morality, right and wrong when in reality they are in mess that they cannot get out or know how to fix it, and when they act on issues they seem, the more they try the less they understand it, they have a stirred up of a stronger connection and act dictatorially! So, from each side there is only entrapped mess, and finally in a corrupt human world that we exist, something has to give!
    Humanity, that knows itself or not, is the problem! We cannot invent ourselves and this is what we are!

  • @shamsulambrimajid642
    @shamsulambrimajid642 Před 2 lety

    Please doa to me that i dont get anxiety attack

  • @badeeyazzamaan102
    @badeeyazzamaan102 Před 2 lety +1

    science cannot have answer for The Unseen .. in the past now and in the future not .. only revelation (Alwahye) from The Creator can have answer for big questions like this!

  • @squeakysoliloquy83
    @squeakysoliloquy83 Před 2 lety

    Tell me what God is? A beam of sunshine, the swaying of a tree in a scented summer breeze, the falling of snow from the sunlit rocky peak of a mountain. God! You know the word God but knowing the word discolours the magic of being alive, to talk of paradise when paradise is all around us in the natural world. I feel sorry for the followers of this so called God, you know God, not the majesty, wonderment and privilege of every single breath you take. Appreciate life, forget the unknown and smile back at every day.

    • @azadam1000
      @azadam1000 Před 2 lety

      You merely described the effect or the pointers to God . The universe still requires an explanation . The universe is like a blue towel.The towel could have been green or there could be no towel at all.I dont see the universe as absolute whereas you somehow do (like the vulcano worshippers instead you believe in a bigger vulcano /big bang)

    • @squeakysoliloquy83
      @squeakysoliloquy83 Před 2 lety

      @@azadam1000 I don't believe in a material oneness at all my friend I'd like to just point out on a material level it goes down on the micro level probably equally as much as it goes up. I mean the scale of things. A mandlebrot forever zooming in or out. Our lives are electric man woman and child. Electric!! I believe in patterns!

    • @squeakysoliloquy83
      @squeakysoliloquy83 Před 2 lety

      The oneness in our words, good vibrations echoing in the halls of time, passing away the stars to the angels of hope, joy and love.

    • @squeakysoliloquy83
      @squeakysoliloquy83 Před 2 lety

      Religion was just a light to guide the weak and blind in dark times. We no longer need religion it's laughable.

    • @michaelevans4110
      @michaelevans4110 Před 2 lety

      @@squeakysoliloquy83
      Pretty words but you have not used logic.

  • @NG-ku7ie
    @NG-ku7ie Před 2 lety

    its great dawa...

    • @NG-ku7ie
      @NG-ku7ie Před 2 lety

      @På Luffen go find by your self if you have brain... i am not interested to give you lecture...

  • @TheAdamnovice
    @TheAdamnovice Před 2 lety

    Could I say that people created god so that man wouldn't become a beast, destroying the world? However, man did change regardless of so many gods.

    • @nutzhazel
      @nutzhazel Před 2 lety

      Romans had a God of War, and it definitely not to help them from becoming like beast.

    • @ahmadrizaldi7039
      @ahmadrizaldi7039 Před 2 lety +2

      Man can't even create a tree, let alone God.

  • @DJKISSME1
    @DJKISSME1 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm sure I've seen this before...

    • @nazeemsultan123
      @nazeemsultan123 Před 2 lety

      I think that one was before. This is the new one

    • @DJKISSME1
      @DJKISSME1 Před 2 lety

      @@nazeemsultan123 ohh right.. Thanks

  • @robb6059
    @robb6059 Před 2 lety

    There is a father, Hare KRSNA.

  • @NyiNyiTun
    @NyiNyiTun Před 2 lety

    I don't even know what God is. How can I give a yardstick about what I don't know? Let me ask some questions. Can we see God? no? Can we hear the voice of God? no? Is God male or female? no? Is God a person like us? no? Is God human? no? Does God have a body? no? Does God have some forms? no? Where does God live? no? Can we scientifically prove God? no? Can we detect God? no? How can I give yardstick about this God? I mean, for example, I can give a yardstick about noodle since I know what noodle is. If you are just asking for the yardstick, my next question will be "What is God?".

    • @nutzhazel
      @nutzhazel Před 2 lety

      That's why major religions have scriptures that they claimed was sent with Prophets and Messengers of God, righteous people that were choosen to convey the message from God the Creator to humankind. Therefore it's rational to check that claim whether those scriptures did come from a Higher Being or not, instead of blindly rejecting everything regardless of claims that were made by theist.

    • @ahmadrizaldi7039
      @ahmadrizaldi7039 Před 2 lety

      1. Can we see God?
      - We can, when we're in paradise
      Hear God?
      -We can, when we're in paradise.
      2. God is female/male?
      - Neither, He's unique. Read Quran chapter 114
      3. Is He like us?
      - No, He's unique. Read Quran chapter 114
      4. Is He human?
      - No, He's unique. Read Quran chapter 114
      5. Does God have a body?
      - Beyond your imagination. He's unique. Read Quran chapter 114
      6. Does God have some forms?
      - Beyond your imagination. He's unique. Read Quran chapter 114
      7. Where does God live?
      - A place beyond your imagination.
      8. Can we scientifically proven God?
      - The very first matter that caused the big bang, who created it? Your DNA, who designed it? The water we drink, who created it?
      9. Can we detect God?
      - The very first matter that caused the big bang, who created it? Your DNA, who designed it? The water we drink, who created it?
      10. What is God?
      - Read Quran.
      My explanation may not be sufficient to you and that's why if you really want to know about God, about our life, why we're here in this world, what happens after we die, then try to read the Quran as the first step. And then write down all your questions, send them to Shabir or anyone of knowledge of Islam. My knowledge of Islam is very limited, but according to my sound reasoning, there has to be a Creator.

    • @randomcommenter8626
      @randomcommenter8626 Před 2 lety +1

      Quran 112
      Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “He is Allah-One ˹and Indivisible˺;
      Allah-the Sustainer ˹needed by all˺.
      He has never had offspring, nor was He born.
      And there is none comparable to Him.”

    • @michaelevans4110
      @michaelevans4110 Před 2 lety

      @@randomcommenter8626
      Jazak Allahu Khayran
      Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen

  • @Syed_12
    @Syed_12 Před 2 lety

    ( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
    Quran 2:62
    '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
    Quran 22:40
    [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
    Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ?
    ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
    Quran 5 48
    ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
    Islam mean "submission" to God
    ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
    Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
    Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
    Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
    The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds )
    God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
    ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
    Quran 5:5
    ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
    Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
    Question to Muslim and Christian:
    Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
    And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
    Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
    Quran 5:48
    '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
    On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
    '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
    '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
    The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work

  • @TheAdamnovice
    @TheAdamnovice Před 2 lety +1

    We should have faith in Science. Science has answered many questions that God could not.

    • @ahmadrizaldi7039
      @ahmadrizaldi7039 Před 2 lety +6

      Ask science if nothingness (no energy, no matter, no will, nothing) can create something.
      Ask science who created the very first matter.
      Ask science can a smartphone create itself randomly/by chance without the interference of an intelligent being.

    • @TheAdamnovice
      @TheAdamnovice Před 2 lety

      @@ahmadrizaldi7039 Seeing or hearing something that you don't understand does not mean that it came from God. Science is not some book filled with instructions. Science evolves as we, as humans, do and we are here because of Science. Set a good example for the next generation by promoting science.
      In this world, the book only teaches how to behave, but science is everything.
      We the people wrote the book, so it does not explain what nothingness is or who created the very first matter, But one day science will find answers to all those questions and that can only happen if we think rationally.

    • @ahmadrizaldi7039
      @ahmadrizaldi7039 Před 2 lety +1

      Why wait until one day to answer all those questions? You're a rational person and I'm sure you already know the answers:
      1. No
      2. The Creator
      3. No
      And those answers will stay the same forever. No one is forbidding anyone to promote science. On the contrary, Quran repeatedly tells its readers to seek advice from the ppl of knowledge.
      Science = scientia = knowledge.
      Quran never contradicts the science, but since science has only covered so little, many verses in the Quran are still yet to be proven by science. One example is that science, up until now, still cannot prove that the heaven (sky) has 7 layers, bcos until now science can only travel as far as Mars. But also thanks to the advancement of science, many have embraced Islam. One prove is that Quran talks about the movement of the sun (rotates in its axis and moving in its orbit) in which for a long time ppl thought the sun was stationary until just recently (100 yrs is recently to me).
      So my point is yes, seek knowledge, write as many science books, thesis etc as you can, don't let anything get in your way, but parallelly ask guidance to the One who created us, science and universe. Ask that One to guide you to all truth, and do this sincerely. If you're allergic to the word God, you can use other words like: The One, The Ever Living, The Most Knowledgeable, The Most High, The All Knowing, The Creator, The Most Powerful, etc. You have absolutely nothing to lose if you do this. But if you don't and there is The Creator and you die in the state of ignorance of your Creator, you have everything to lose in the hereafter. So, the choice is yours.

    • @TheAdamnovice
      @TheAdamnovice Před 2 lety

      @@ahmadrizaldi7039 This is where I contradict the book. "If I don't believe in God, I will lose everything". Did God tell you that? Or did your book tell you that?

    • @ahmadrizaldi7039
      @ahmadrizaldi7039 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheAdamnovice One day with a rational mind, you will know the answer.

  • @bigboyshit1
    @bigboyshit1 Před 2 lety +1

    You still haven’t completed the easy explanation as to why we have Judaism and Christianity when the intention was always Islam

    • @waheedali2429
      @waheedali2429 Před 2 lety +3

      Because people keep invent things all the time

    • @bigboyshit1
      @bigboyshit1 Před 2 lety

      @@waheedali2429 - so every single follower of every single prophet were so corrupt they allowed two religions to form?

    • @waheedali2429
      @waheedali2429 Před 2 lety

      @@bigboyshit1 it's not black and white my friend

    • @nutzhazel
      @nutzhazel Před 2 lety

      @@bigboyshit1 *so every single follower of every single prophet were so corrupt* This is not the stand of Islam, however you can find this concept in the Old Testament, not just Islam. For example, the people of Lot and Noah pbuh, they were portrayed as corrupt people. If you have read any earlier scriptures like Torah and the Bible, you will understand that it's easy and common for people to become corrupt regardless if there was a Prophet of God present among them still, let alone none. In Christian teachings, even Jesus pbuh was killed by his own people or by Roman polytheist (depends on angles a Christian would prefer to explain it to others), and in Judaism, they even believe that the Jews were back to worship idol of a golden calf right despite being shown the power of God by Moses pbuh and saved them from the Pharaoh. I'm not sure why you think this scenario is impossible, especially Judaism and Christianity even rejects each other teachings yet claim to have the same prophetic figures, scriptures and what's not.

    • @bigboyshit1
      @bigboyshit1 Před 2 lety

      @@nutzhazel - yea but this would have to complete corruption of every single follower of Jesus , Moses etc. that is highly unlikely on such a scale.
      The fact islam isn’t mentioned until the 7th century is quite telling.
      We know Jesus didn’t mention Christianity either. And we know what Christianity was used for: power

  • @thegroove2000
    @thegroove2000 Před 2 lety +1

    If allah is real and all knowing then why did he not know where sperm is produced within the body?.

    • @thegroove2000
      @thegroove2000 Před 2 lety

      What is truth?.

    • @Aquacrystal78
      @Aquacrystal78 Před 2 lety

      You just read a bad translation of the Quran.It doesn't says like that in the real Arabic

    • @m.a.azmiazmi882
      @m.a.azmiazmi882 Před 2 lety

      Watch professor Keeth Moore's videos.

    • @thegroove2000
      @thegroove2000 Před 2 lety

      @@m.a.azmiazmi882 So keth knows that Allah didnt know where sperm is produced within the body and why?.

    • @waheedali2429
      @waheedali2429 Před 2 lety

      Seems you have psychological problem
      I suggest leave the internet otherwise your brain 🧠 will be Collapse

  • @Humble.Servant
    @Humble.Servant Před 2 lety +2

    The GOD of the Bible created man.
    The prophet of islam created islamic god.

    • @joker2288
      @joker2288 Před 2 lety +1

      Which GOD, there is 3 of them?

    • @Humble.Servant
      @Humble.Servant Před 2 lety

      @@joker2288 JOKER!
      Not you bro. The --- you believe in.
      Indeed, *WE* gave Mūsā the Book, and after him *WE* sent messengers, one following the other; and *WE* gave clear signs to ‘Īsā, the son of Maryam (Jesus, the son of Mary), and *SUPPORTED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.*
      15:29
      When I form him perfect, and blow in him of *MY SPIRIT,* then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
      21:91
      And (remember) her who protected her private part (that is, Maryam). So, *WE* blew in her (a life) through *OUR SPIRIT,* and made her and her son (‘Īsā X) a sign for all the worlds.
      Who is the *WE* and *MY HOLY SPIRIT, THE HOLY SPIRIT* and *OUR SPIRIT?*
      So how many does your monotheistic god claim to be?
      2: 87
      حقًا أعطينا موسى الكتاب ، وبعده أرسلنا رسلاً ، واحدًا تلو الآخر ؛ وأعطينا إشارات واضحة لعيسى بن مريم (يسوع بن مريم) و دعمناه بروح قدسية.
      15:29
      عندما أجعله كاملاً ، وأنفخ فيه من روحي ، يجب أن تسقط أمامه في السجود ".
      21:91
      و (تذكر) هي التي حمت جانبها الخاص (أي مريم). لذلك ، فجرنا فيها (حياة) من خلال روحنا ، وجعلناها هي وابنها (عيسى X) علامة لجميع العوالم.
      من نحن والروح القدس وروحنا؟
      فكيف ادعى إلهك التوحيد..

    • @michaelevans4110
      @michaelevans4110 Před 2 lety

      @@Humble.Servant
      Allah is One. Qu'ran Surah 112:1
      Qu'ran Surah 15:29 is about Adam (a.s)
      The "spirit" or Soul is created by Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala so it BELONGS to Him. (As does everything else in creation)
      In English we'd say BECAUSE He (Allah) owns it, "It is His", that doesn't mean it is PART of God. It means it BELONGS to Him.
      You didn't pass Grade 3 English, which is unfortunate.
      Study your own language before reading translations of languages (Arabic) you've never studied, even if those translations are in YOUR language, you'll still need to be COMPETENT in YOUR language (English) to expect to understand what you're reading.
      Study before looking silly.
      Thanks 👍

    • @Humble.Servant
      @Humble.Servant Před 2 lety

      @@michaelevans4110 bro!
      Will the god you believe in, judge and punish you for deceiving everyone with a christian profile name.
      Why do you deceive like your god, who claimed he deceived the jews and the christians by substituting some other innocent man on the cross and made it look like isa was crucified.
      I don't need to go back to school! Certainly, you need to go back to your scriptures to comprehend the fallacies and contradictions.
      Why don't muslims agree that there is a trinity character in their god!